assalamu alaikum greetings of peace how
are you guys doing
guess what i got some edua dates have
you ever heard of edgewood dates and i
got the man next to me on the left thank
you for the edgewood dates and i'm like
oh how you doing mr brown
hi how you been
thanks
yeah my pleasure some people don't know
yeah so how you been don't forget the
zamzam water man the zemsen water yes
and the miss walks yeah there you go you
know what our friends for thank you so
much
how you been medina
how things are medina
uh things are good
i haven't figured out a way to get
younger but uh otherwise doing okay
uh do you get a chance now you know the
climate here it's uh
uh is it reaching you trump and all the
politics has it reached that end of the
world
sure and we're just kind of waiting to
see how that works out yeah
so these are the kind of things that
we're dealing with you had not too long
ago you had in medina
the holiest city in the world i think it
was during the holiest month
you were there you know what i'm talking
about medina or mecca mecca no it was a
medina no i was in medina the explosion
that happened
oh are you talking about during ramadan
yeah during ramadan yeah
my understanding is i was fairly close
to it when it happened yeah can you tell
us because uh that's something we're
dealing with here people always linking
back daesh this extreme radical group
and people who really don't know
anything about islam but this is just
you know the show like on the holiest
month of the year during ramadan during
the blessed month you know that
in medina this was it a tribute this
group had actually what tell us what was
a little bit because you were there you
lived there tell us fill us in on what
what happened i mean actually uh
i was down at the
masjid anaboli when it happened
but
quite frankly
aside from that i really don't know the
details except for what is in the news
the other thing is now i hate to kind of
cop out on you here but the bottom line
is that i just am completely
political i don't discuss you know these
issues i don't make fatwa
and um
and i just i just stick to my domain of
interest and some people say expertise
which is comparative religion and uh
you know the anti-atheist tawa when we
get to there tell us for the people who
are tuning in a lot of times they get
turned up because they keep associating
so i'll just hit you with this
violence with islam and they can't get
past that so before we can even get to a
lot of these commonalities and clearing
these other misconceptions comparative
religion some people keep thinking no i
don't want to and turn off these muslims
they're all terrorists you know isis
they what do you say about that
sure i mean well first of all i mean you
will always have extremists i mean
extremists exist in all religions number
one number two uh
study on the acts of terrorism the
number of acts of terrorism and the
number of people who were killed from
acts of terrorism in the united states
over the past i forget whatever number
of years it was but
uh islam was not the top of the list i
mean the top of the list were actually
if i remember correctly it was uh now i
might be a little hazy on the details
but i think it was right-wing extremists
you know basically
actually fundamentalist christians and
uh and uh you know this is the thing
that's just kind of annoying to us as
muslims is that
any muslim does anything and
he's his religion is mentioned you know
i mean he commits a an any kind of a
crime and it's like you know this muslim
did that but you know any christian does
anything yeah serial killing a
schoolyard shooting uh you know anything
like that and they put in totally
different terms they say oh he went
postal or you know the guy was
psychologically disturbed or whatever
and they never mentioned the religion
you know i mean was the last time you
ever heard you know christian extremist
christian terrorist or something like
this never and uh so there's there does
appear to be this this strong bias in
the media
to
i mean i feel really to demonize islam
and to make christianity just sort of
sweep
sweep christianity and judaism's
problems under the carpet you know you
never again buddhists you never hear of
buddhist terrorists but look at what's
going on
buddhist terrorism but look at what's
going on in in myanmar and look look
what's going on with the uh
you know the genocide
the genocide that that buddhists are are
committing in in the far east you know
and yet you never hear this as you know
buddhist terrorism so you know there's
there's a
attempt on the media to polarize things
which i'm
definitely not comfortable with and it
does seem grossly prejudicial yeah we've
done we've answered these questions on
many previous episodes we won't spend
too much time on it go ahead what were
you going to say well by the way i do
want to say something and it is one of
my sort of pet peeves is that um you
know i think all of this i mean if not
all but you know
90 some percent 95 98 really comes from
9 11. i mean i was muslim before 9 11
and i'm muslim now and
you know alhamdulillah by the grace of
allah but i saw the transition between
how americans thought and treated
muslims before 9 11 and after
and i really feel that was kind of the
defining moment before 9 11
there was still some media bias i mean
but there was quite a lot of media bias
but then when 9 11 happened
it just ramped things up tremendously
okay and this is one a pet peeve i have
because
number one okay
if it was muslims who carried out the
atrocity of 9 11 it was a crime
the muslim world
recognizes it as a crime
and the muslim world is trying to send
this message to the west to the
developed countries basically saying
look this was a crime those are
criminals
they don't represent our understanding
of islam they don't understand our they
don't represent you know our values they
don't represent represent our morality
or our religious values okay so don't
try to to to say that this is you know
is islam this was the act of a criminal
no different from
the act of a criminal of any other
denomination or religion in the world
okay that's number one but number two is
uh you know there's been this growing
movement that questions brand new poll
that show that more and more americans
are rethinking what happened on 9 11 and
increasingly more people are saying they
do not believe the government's version
of events
you know questions where
or how 9 11 actually happened 911
and candidly wouldn't only fringe people
still question what happened on 9 11
well perhaps not today we're going to
release to you results of a brand new
poll that show that more and more
americans are rethinking what happened
on 9 11. and
i mean for example
so there are all kinds of reasons we
thought we were set up to fail we got
started late
we had a very short time frame
indeed we had to get it extended we did
not have enough money
they were
they were afraid we were going to hang
somebody
that we would point the finger
lee and i write in our book that
we think the commission in many ways was
set up to fail
because we had
not enough money
we didn't have enough time
we've been appointed by the most
partisan people in washington
um
there's an
excellent excellent expose
on um
on youtube or at least it used to be on
youtube called 9 11 mysteries
demolitions
it's an hour and a half video you can
watch or you can purchase
i think the last time i looked for it
you actually had to go to amazon.com to
buy it i mean the just the best money
you'll ever spend in researching this
topic okay
if you can watch that video and not have
your convictions changed regarding how 9
11 happened
then
you just kind of you need to get an eeg
you know an eeg an electrocephalogram
something to check your brain waves i
mean if you can watch that that
documentary
and walk away with the conviction
that
that you came in with something's just
wrong
and and and so i just have to say that
you know this is just the plug i've got
i've got to give is stop
demonizing not just islam
but stop demonizing any group
we are living in a time and we are
living in a culture that loves to hate
or needs to hate okay
i mean as long as i have been alive
and for a lot of time before
the west or the developed countries has
always been demonizing a group i mean if
it wasn't like the only good indian as a
dead indian you know you you come
forward into world war ii where you know
the germans were krauts and then
you know the korean war with where the
koreans were the gooks and then into the
vietnamese war where the you know they
weren't vietnamese no no they were
charlie or slants or something like this
you know and you know every different
person is given a name that is is
dehumanizing them okay you're not you
know you're not killing you know you're
not killing a person you're killing a
crowd world war ii you know you know
you're not killing a a north korean
you're killing a [\h__\h] you know it's you
know an ugly word you know you're not
you're not killing at vietnamese you're
killing a slant i mean where does this
ugliness come from but this is
it's a process
of
basically programming a people to see
another people as
as something
different from what they are and every
single time
every single time
after the massacre
you know
after the dust settles
we turn around and we start realizing
that we're rubbing shoulders with these
people and they're okay
you know the indians that we massacred
the american indians that we massacred
we now go and visit their rev their
reservations we enjoy their art we enjoy
their food
we see the beauty of their customs and
the gentleness of their natures
after world war ii
the you know there are all these
touching stories
of soldiers
who were united with their counterparts
you know and the the american
you know the american uh soldier who was
uh interned in a prison of war camp and
uh suffered horribly during his
internment and
and uh later after the war is united
with his captors and they both just
realized we were we were on different
sides of the equation and we're both
okay you know or the one who was shot
down by another pilot or or uh
you know was
you know intimately involved in the
struggle of life and death and the
struggle of the war against another
counterpart with which they were united
later and you know later and they just
realized you know
i mean
we're all human
you know i mean the germans in this
country the japanese in this country
where'd they come from the same
countries that we were fighting
and what do we think about them now
i mean i mean sushi you know i mean
everybody knows
knows a japanese person if nothing else
just from our our food culture and and
you know we we found that the people
that we were killing before
we found that the people that we were
fighting before on the basis of ideology
who we thought were less than human
they're okay yeah after the vietnam war
i mean you couldn't go into a
convenience store in america except you
had a high chance that you're going to
be doing business with the vietnamese
and and they were okay and was a shock
of shocks you know i mean they're just
like us they they just want to live life
and and
you know have a peaceful existence and
so on and so forth that's the the power
of the human connection i'm just saying
look i'm just saying with whether you're
talking about
the you know the forces that we're at
war with in world war ii where you're
talking about you know mussolini's italy
and uh
you know in that period or whether
you're talking about the the you know
the nazi germans or whether you're
talking about the japanese i'm talking
about you know koreans during the korean
war the vietnamese uh
it it just doesn't matter what pool you
look at
i mean once you started once these
people were conquered and we found
ourselves you know they emigrated and we
found ourselves living next to them
we found all of our preconceptions
dispelled we found that we had been lied
to
we found that we had been deceived
and we found that it was all for the
purpose
of an agenda that was beyond us
okay
so when are we going to wake up
when are when are we going to open our
minds and recognize that we are being
misled for a purpose for an agenda
good points more to come with dr
lawrence brown here in the dean's show
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back here on the d show
with my special friend good friend dr
lawrence brown before i get to my next
question you brought up 911 and
obviously that was a catalyst to where
we are today
have you heard of it's interesting these
aren't just lay people but somewhat
around 3.000
engineers scientists
politicians former presidential
candidates it took some kind of
consciousness raising on my part before
i was willing to
look at the possibilities and really you
need to go where the evidence leads as
an engineer i have three degrees in
engineering i signed that petition for
architects and engineers for 9 11 truth
some time ago because the american
people absolutely need the truth of 9
11.
look at the evidence in fact i'll say
this very categorically
any reasonable person who looks at the
evidence that's been brought forward has
got to come away with the feeling that
something has to be done a real
investigation has to be put forward
we're all demanding who signed a
petition
to reopen the investigation have you
heard of these architects and engineers
for 9 11 truth
oh sure and you know one of the things
that i find very very uh striking about
this is that is not only the collection
of experts in their fields who are
looking at the evidence looking at the
body of the evidence and saying you know
the official story no that just doesn't
do it
i mean that's
you know we we've got to re-examine this
and and come to a more sensible
conclusion i mean look
911 did not you know the the official
story it did not even answer how
building number seven came down okay uh
the greatest mystery of 911 how does a
complete building come down it wasn't
wasn't touched by the air it wasn't hit
by the airplanes okay had a couple of
minor little fires of it inside it from
debris that you know uh was scattered
into it
and you just look at it and just one
moment it drops to the ground in the
perfect picture of controlled
demolitions okay now i'm i'm just saying
that
i'm not the only one who's looked at
that and just said man something's wrong
but you're just saying something's wrong
you're you're you're observing you're
you're questioning but now why is it why
is it when you question you're not
making up some some conspiracy but they
call you conspiracy theorists as soon as
you question
like when you hear the fire man they
said
all my floors
you're just asking questions you're not
coming up with a theory what happened
you're just asking questions why did
they put you in this box conspiracy
theorist the definition of a conspiracy
is when two or more people acting in
concert knowingly
commit an offense or or or a crime
all right
a a misdemeanor a felony an offense that
is the definition of a conspiracy was
this a conspiracy absolutely yes it was
and those people need to go to jail for
treason you can't even ask a question
yeah but you're just supposed to accept
what's been told to you accept this
right official story mainstream done
right don't ask anymore as i said i had
32 years there and i was also a trained
fire marshal a fire marshal is
considered an expert witness in court
he's like a a forensic detective he has
the power to administer the oath take
testimony and issue a subpoena that's a
lot of power it was there was an
explosion the building did come down in
complete classical
controlled demolition it came down on
its own footprint there's no question
about that as a matter of fact
richard gage from architects and
engineers has completely handled that
from his area of expertise
never in the history of a world never in
the history of high-rise skyscrapers has
ever
a
skyscraper ever come down because of
fire
and i'm talking massive fire and you
know the reason why because fire does
not burn by itself
hot enough to compromise and melt steel
what we had in the world trade center
and i saw myself was molten lava like
pockets of molten steel
all right i spent the night on the pile
searching for bodies
and i saw that with my own eyes
so who are you going to believe are you
going to believe a bunch of government
bureaucrats or my fellow brothers which
i lost 343 guys that day right and and
and you you start talking like this and
they say oh that's conspiratorial
thinking as if there's no such thing as
conspiracy as if conspiracy don't happen
conspiracies don't happen
you know as as if america does not have
excites did not commit black flag
operations did not
have uh
what is it called extraordinary
rendition you know did not have the cia
with the box of dirty tricks overseas
and so on and so forth you know i i mean
just it's just it's just a way of making
you look bad or silent silencing you for
having an open mind
but one of the things that is most
convincing to me
is that is the body
of
you know the group of people
who lost love loved ones in 9 11
who are demanding a reinvestigation
because they don't exist the family
member the official yeah the family
members i'm a family member trying to
find out the answers to the murder of 3
000 plus people
bottom line is that it needs to be
investigated properly
please look at architects and engineers
people all around the world scientists
all around the world are questioning
this
and there's some deep deep explaining to
do
we will never heal this country will
never ever ever forget that day
we have to demand a new investigation i
want justice here
because they don't accept the official
explanation and that many of them are
the ones who are you know they are the
ones who are saying
that it was an inside job now
i'm not i'm not going to say what my
viewpoint on this is
i'm just going to say that my message to
people is don't close your mind open
your mind
and in the same way that we are asking
for a re-examination of the evidence
people out there should re-examine the
evidence themselves so they should be
listening to i mean
you've you've got
eminent experts in their fields
who are demanding a re-examination of
the evidence you have as an engineer i
have three degrees in engineering i
signed that petition for architects and
engineers for 9 11 truth some time ago
because the american people absolutely
need the truth of 9 11. you know really
really great documentaries like this one
i mentioned 9 11 mysteries
demolitions it's 911 mysteries like
slash demolitions okay
um and uh uh what's it gonna take to
watch it you know one of the things that
i find really disturbing about this
though is that 911 is like it's
people have
views on it that approach the level of
religious zeal
you know
when you talk about when you talk about
a religion or when you talk about
religious views a lot of people there
it's just clear that their minds are
closed and you just can't talk to them
because if you say anything that is
contrary to
to their way of looking at things
they they don't want to hear it it's
like no no no it can't be it can't be no
no no no you know and then they express
their view they keep repeating their
view you know you know it's this way
it's this way it's this way and
you know um
you know yeah the evidence points over
here and or you know or you know you
point out the contradictions to them or
you point out how they're basically you
know not following the path of logic or
you know they're not many times they're
not even following the teachings of
their own book
you know and when it comes to 911 it's
the same way they just say no no no you
know it's like the you know
the three monkeys with their hands over
their eyes ears and and uh
what is it now eyes ears and mouth yeah
you know except except they i wish they
would put their hand over their mouth
but they don't that's the one that's the
one hand they keep away they keep
talking but with their eyes closing
their ears closed just kind of no no no
muslims are bad no this was islamic
terrorism no no you know
you know and and they're not willing to
examine the evidence
and
consider the possibility
that
this is all the part of a greater agenda
and but
but at the very least
just consider the possibility that like
i said
muslims and islam is not
you know it's not as bad as how it's
being portrayed why is our news media
foaming at the mouth when it comes to
stories about islamic terrorists
but not white guy terrorists
it's not because muslims are a bigger
threat
in fact between nineteen eighty and two
thousand five
ninety four percent of all the attempted
or successful terrorist attacks on u s
soil were not
carried out by islamic radicals but
instead by non-muslims mostly white guys
so then why the obsession
islam is killing of innocent human
beings
human life is precious in this country
do they blow people up yes
christians every day people walk in the
post i mean
people walk into post offices they walk
into schools that's what columbine i
mean i can do this all day long there's
so there are so many more examples of
christians and i happen to be a
christian that's back to this notion of
your idealizing christianity in my mind
to my read there's so many more examples
of john of christians who do that then
you could ever give me examples of
muslims who have done that inside this
country where you live and work
but we we can say clearly we can close
the door that
islam has nothing
doesn't justify acts like this even at
the end of the day if some crazy
deranged individual or group of
individuals went and killed innocent
people which by the way
muslims and
hundreds have died in this this has
nothing to do with islam islam condemns
this
there is no justification for it
this is clear this is something that
there's no shadow of a doubt about that
now we're talking about even questioning
it further but it seems like this is
something that is a tool that's used to
demonize the whole
way of life of islam
well as i said i mean you've heard my
viewpoint first of all i just i want to
correct myself on something i said you
know
something about how
you know people should conclude that
islam is not as bad as it's being
portrayed i mean actually for myself as
muslim i have to just say that you know
i would hope people would conclude that
islam is not bad period
you know i mean the more
the more you examine islam you know and
anybody i've known who's examined islam
with an open mind it just starts to
understand start to realize that
everything's upside down everything is
the opposite of how how they were
trained to believe
you know that it's actually a it's it's
a beautiful religion it is consistent
with the continuity in the chain of
revelation from the previous prophets it
clarifies previous revelation
and it brings us
to a conclusion of the chain of
revelation from the abra from abraham to
ishmael and isaac to moses
jesus to muhammad
you know there is there's a chain of
revelation there and if you you know if
you are on a spiritual spiritual search
and looking for the completion of
revelation you have to look
for what you have to look for the three
prophets that the old testament
predicted
john the baptist and jesus christ are
one and two and then you have to look
for the final prophet the third and
final prophet that was predicted
not only in the old testament but also
in the words of jesus predicting a third
prophet who would come
and another paraclete you know who would
basically clarify okay and and that
third prophet is the prophet muhammad so
now i'm just i'm just saying okay i'm
just saying that
you know islam is a religion that more
people
you know who open in their hearts and
open their minds and look at it
from an open perspective
just feel that they've been lied to you
know they they say you know i was these
i always thought these people were bad i
always thought this was religion was bad
but but you know i i mean actually
there's so much beauty here and this is
and this conforms with what i
already believed and this conforms with
you know the the revelation that you
know i studied before and uh and and
this clarifies it and and now i
understand so i'm you know look i'm just
you know we we live in a funny time
people people need to get their
information in postcard format you know
if you can't fit it into what is it 140
some characters and a twit you know i
mean
if you can't if you can't twit it
uh if if you can't if you can't uh
encapsulate it in a very very brief
message that conforms to people's sort
of shortened attention span in this time
yeah it's very hard for people to
to engage in in an intellectual debate
what about you there was a gentleman and
there's a lot of cases like this
where they get fed a lot of this false
information false fears that oh you're
going over to jeddah or you're going
over to that side of the world you
actually live in that so you're a former
major in the uh u.s navy is that right
air force air force i'm sorry um and you
you've been living over you accepted
this way of light used to be an atheist
trying hard to be a christian we have
your story from the past but many people
who've been fed these lies they actually
go over there and they experience the
love and hospitality
you must have experienced it because
you've been living there for how long
now tell us about this your experience
is there 17 years and by the way my my
daughter off camera is showing me little
signs saying it's not a twit you twit
it's a tweet so
but that shows that shows you how much
attention i give to social media i feel
social media is not
is not the pathway to intelligent
discourse it's
you know social media gives you a
postcard version at best for people with
extremely shortened attention spans i
mean if i mean come on if you're going
to engage in the debate if you are going
to hang your afterlife on this
you really cannot take the time to read
a book you really cannot take the time
to you know to investigate in a serious
way i mean this is your afterlife you've
got you've got 70 years to figure it out
but you or 60 years or 80 years or for
some people you know they die even
younger but
but it this is going to be your eternity
and you cannot devote a little time for
it you you can't give up on a movie one
night or a tv show the next or whatever
to to actually
cram for the final exam i mean come on
really
i mean if that's what you die upon
you almost kind of deserve it
because you've been ignoring the one who
created you and put you on this
earth for the purpose of knowing him and
serving and worshiping him
you know and you've just totally ignored
it you've just blown it off it's like
playing xbox your whole life yeah i mean
you know it's just it's ungrateful it's
ungrateful and it's irresponsible
yeah now your experience how you've been
living there have you this gentleman one
in particular i forgot his name they had
him on i think huda tv and american
christian and he was told like these
guys are gonna if you go over there you
might you know have your head cut off oh
yeah and then he he goes there and again
he said man they were so hospitable
loving and he actually he was a
god-fearing christian he said you know
god he basically in in summary was
asking just guide me god whatever you
know to the truth he ended up accepting
islam we'll show a little clip here my
friends at the u.s naval academy in
annapolis maryland they said do you know
what you're doing
you're putting yourself in harm's way
you're going to get kidnapped somebody's
going to cut your throat
so when i arrived in saudi arabia i was
scared to death
i didn't know quite what to expect
but i when i left the united states i
said god
my mind is open
i don't know what is islam
i've never been in an islamic country
before
and i don't know about the prophet
muhammad peace be upon him but
show me what is truth and what is not
truth
and i came with an open mind and looking
looking nothing happened people were
coming out of their houses
when they saw me
inviting me into their homes for tea and
coffee subhanallah the exact opposite
incredible this was not what i expected
wow i had been in countries all over the
world i studied in taiwan in russia and
different places but never in my life
have i been in any country that
respected me as much as an
american and even as a christian as
saudi arabia
grace and mercy forgiveness of sins
wow
my life was transformed
immediately
it was the love of god in the love of
the muslims around me that drew me to
islam now you're there you're living
there i mean is this tell us a little
bit about this when people do go down
there when they get out of their
neighborhood and then they get out to
other parts of the world yeah
how fictitious this is i mean just
completely i've been living in the
middle east for 17 years when i went
over there
uh people gave me these warnings about
you know you know watch yourself it's
dangerous the people are like this this
might happen that might happen now i've
lived there before 9 11 i was in medina
when 9 11 happened and i've lived there
ever since okay
and i have never had anything except for
for
you know basically the best treatment
well i shouldn't say never there's
always you know a few isolated
incidences of you know the same as you'd
have here on the street in america where
you know you just
you know don't hit it off with somebody
but
but i mean i've just i've just had the
best of a treatment i mean i remember
after 9 11
after 9 11 i just remember all of these
saudis coming up to me and apologizing
and just you know very sincerely saying
we're so sorry for what happened to your
country
and it's not their fault
these are these these are are beautiful
polite well-mannered people
you know
once you're in their presence you feel
their gentleness they weren't dancing in
the streets i heard the common mantras
that when this happened people were
dancing and celebrating no that's
ridiculous
i mean i i never saw that and i was have
you heard this cliche have you heard
this no actually i haven't but but you
know i mean i i did not see any of that
and i didn't i haven't talked with
anybody who did and i was living there
okay and i'm in medina one of the holy
cities if you if you expect to see that
anywhere if that were the manner of the
people you would expect to have seen
that there but i i did not have people
to you know do anything but apologize to
me and say you know we're really sad
that this happened and and you know
telling me as a muslim telling me you
know that this is not part of our
religion i said yeah i know that and
they said you know you know we're no you
know we're against this i said yes of
course uh of course i know we're against
this and and so on but uh you know aside
i mean aside from that just in general i
have to say
the propaganda that i have been aware of
is always from what i've seen it's just
always contrary to the truth
i mean
why have i been in saudi arabia for 17
years
i mean
these these people
have
extended their arm of hospitality
towards me in their country
and they have given me a beautiful life
there
i i feel safer in saudi arabia walking
walking down a a small alley which by
the way i do all the time going to
prayer you know in the morning sometimes
three in the morning sometimes four in
the morning i feel i feel safer walking
down a small dark unlit alley right at
three or four in the morning then i do
sometimes uh just
in open daylight here in america
you know the the the incidence of crime
is so low
the and
it's just basic values
you know that the arabs
have this very high respect
for honesty
for generosity
for hospitality
you know and they try to excel at these
things
you know
they
you know it's it's uh
it's one of the teachings when you go
into
an arab household in the middle east
don't look at anything
because if you allow your eyes to a
light on something
in the room
and the host notices they'll just take
that thing and give it to you
i mean it might even be something very
valuable i i remember one time
uh
you know when i was fairly new in medina
uh i just i saw
this rug in this guy's house
very beautiful well handmaded
han knotted rug i mean i i would
estimate its value would be in the you
know maybe around five six thousand
dollars you know small knots and i mean
i mean just a beautiful handmade uh
you know carpet
and uh the guy just saw me looking at it
and that was it he had to give it to me
now this this doesn't go after him being
an arab this is because of the teachings
that the almighty sent from islam
correct this is where do they get this
now this is um i think it's a
combination because like even even even
before the religion of islam there you
know there was this extreme extremely
generous arab named uh i think it was
hatam if i remember correctly
and so they even have this you know this
saying to be as generous as hatam
because he he set this example for uh
generosity
but you know i mean go back to go back
to abraham and that time where you know
a guest would arrive an unknown guest
and you would just slaughter the fatted
calf
there are beautiful people and i think
part of you know part of that is uh just
innate they're they're a beautiful
generous people what if someone says
look oh you're sellout now you know like
for myself i'm i'm i'm he's an arab now
no no you can't obviously change your
your nationality look i i'm an american
i love my country but at the same time
i'm conscious of my purpose in life i
love my creator i live this beautiful
way of life but i also respect other
people's cultures i'm open to learn but
if someone you know uh says something
like this oh now you're you you sell out
you know you hear all sorts of ignorant
things first of all yeah first of all
stop listening to me okay i mean go
listen to all the other non-muslims okay
non-muslims who have come to the middle
east and found themselves you know
welcomed and well treated by
well-mannered generous hospitable people
my life was transformed
immediately
it was the love of god in the love of
the muslims around me that drew me to
islam
okay
and um
you know you know be convinced by them
don't be convinced by me i've known so
many people like this that they're just
you know uh they're non-muslims
but they don't want to leave the middle
east yeah and some of them leave the
middle east in tears because you know
their their job has you know their
contract has ended their job has run out
or something like that i mean some of
them leave the middle east in tears
because
they don't want to leave this beautiful
environment that they found now let me
just back up for a minute please
understand okay i'm not trying to
completely
uh
you know come completely uh
how do you say it i mean make things
look you know completely rosy all right
because uh
there are good and bad people everywhere
okay so i'm not i'm not saying you know
these people are bad these people are
good this place is bad that place is
good no there are good and bad people
everywhere but it's on a spectrum
okay and
what i can say is what i can say
is that
i i feel so
happy and so comfortable
in
in the presence
of the brothers and sisters who welcome
me
into their homes and into their country
in saudi arabia
i never want to leave yeah i love these
people what my my patients you know the
the arab patients i have i love these
people
you know it is a privilege to me
it's it's not just a job it is a
privilege to me that allah has put me in
a position where i can treat these
people
and be an agent through which they
regain their eyesight okay an agent
because all good things are from allah
but okay i'm i'm an agent through which
this happens and it's a privilege to me
that
you know the powers that be in in saudi
arabia have accepted me as a guest into
their country and and honors me in that
position yeah we've got a few more
minutes i want to touch upon a few other
things i mean that's that's the power of
the human connection
not just
closing yourself off from other cultures
other ways of life and going beyond what
you've been brainwashed to believe and
this is a testimony of many testimony of
other people who've experienced again
that love that compassion and this is
what we should be working towards you
know growing is humanity tell us there's
a professor here in chicago dr pape who
said
since we're on this topic he said that
this is an expert a terrorism expert he
evaluated a thousand plus terrorist acts
and he said this is not some just random
individual an expert he says islam has
little to nothing to do with these
terrorist attacks this is all
politically motivated have you heard of
dr pape in this uh
analysis the study that he did
uh i haven't because i work in a
different field as i said my and before
and before 9 11 you didn't have if you
go back you didn't have these groups as
such as al-qaeda
daesh isis all of these things we're
trying to find out the root where these
things come from it's not like islam is
inherently bad and it's calling you to
go ahead and strap bombs but you have
extreme elements these he's talking
about these are politically motivated
yeah i mean i haven't heard of him or
these uh you know these conclusions but
it doesn't surprise me because
you know i think i'm just guessing but
i'm guessing that what he is trying to
say is basically that islam
is not associated with terrorism because
we know that the islamic beliefs are not
consistent with these acts there may be
muslims there may be muslims who have
committed acts of terrorism in the same
way that they're muslims who may have
committed crimes and
you know christians and jews and
atheists and everybody else okay there
are good and bad people everywhere
all right but i mean we're talking about
a religion of what 1.2 1.3 billion
people i'm a huge portion of the uh
population of this earth so
you can't expect
you know all of them to be uh peaceful
law-abiding citizens you'll find some
criminals in that mix yeah all right but
so what he's really saying is that you
might have some criminal muslims
but those people don't speak for the
religion stop demonizing the religion
stop marginalizing the religion for the
acts of the few
i mean if you if you look at okay let's
let's say
that there were 22 muslim terrorists who
carried out 911 and that's a big that's
a big
you know uh
presumption but let's say that there
were what is 22 out of 1.3 billion why
aren't you looking at the 1.3 billion
and not looking at the 22 in the same
way that you look at christian america
okay you look at
well i almost hate to say christian
america anymore because
the number of christians is waning
and
those you know those who are christian
are very often
you know sort of
marginal christians
uh but in any case
you know you look at christian and
american christian america and they
don't accept for their religion to be
demonized when
there's found to be a christian serial
killer or a christian who goes postal
and you know commits and you know that
happens daily or the kkk attributing the
whole religion to the kkk
christian that sect that's obvious to to
distinguish the two i don't even know if
the kkk is still active they're active
they have two almost 200 live branches
right now you can go sign up right now
if you wanted they have websites they're
ready to hire and fire and they're in
fully functional what do you mean by
fire kick you out if
you if you if you this if you disengage
from those extreme radical beliefs you
probably get kicked out you're gonna get
fired okay you get what i'm saying yeah
so in any case i mean you know i'm i'm
just you know i'm just saying
that uh
you know you shouldn't demonize the
religion for the acts of a few and i
think this this man that you're talking
about is probably just
just saying
you know differentiate between muslims
and islam yeah okay you might find some
bad muslims you know you might find some
muslims that can conduct acts of
terrorism
but if that's not consistent with the
religion of islam
if that if that is
not from the islamic teachings then
islam is not responsible for that these
guys are these bad guys are but the
religion is not yeah give us a tweet
give us something to end with we got it
we're out of time give us something for
the person tuning in they're watching us
and they don't know much about muslims
islam they're hearing this stuff for the
first time they're saying you white
caucasian what are your eyes green or
blue what's that and they're like okay
you know this is interesting you gotta
get out there you gotta get out there
you gotta look one thing i wanted to say
is a lot of the muslims not a lot almost
all almost all of the muslims i have
ever met i've been i've traveled to
jordan kuwait bahrain
of course saudi arabia
palestine israel
and
turkey and i'm in a number of number of
countries in the middle east okay
and everybody i have ever met is
frustrated frustrated frustrated and
they're always saying the same thing
they're saying why did you know why did
the west see us like this
you know i mean this is this is not who
we're you know
we're okay and if people actually went
and lived with them they'd find out that
that's true they'd find out that these
people are
you know they're calm they're peaceful
they're loving they are like i said
they're hospitable they're generous and
this has to come from somewhere and and
yeah part of it is their nature and part
of it is their their religion
fine-tuning their nature okay
of course
you know that that's just i mean those
are the moral constraints
that they live within also from the
religion but it's a beautiful thing and
you have to experience it to understand
the other thing i'd say is check out my
website leveltruth.com leveltruth.com
leveltruth.com it's got a lot of
material if you if you are on a
spiritual search as i was saying read a
book start with mine i mean start start
with the first and final commandment or
start with misguided and don't think i'm
trying to sell anything go to the
website download it free of charge it's
all there on on pdf download
just read
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