Akbar. Allahbar.
>> Steven Crowder. He's at it again.
Attacking Islam.
>> Islam has been entirely spread through
violence and conquest since its
inception. Every single century with no
exception.
>> Something he's done in the past and he's
doing it again. Who's Steven Crowder?
According to an exclusive report on
media itite, Steven Crowder allegedly
created an incredibly inappropriate and
hostile workplace where he exposed his
to employees and openly exchanged drugs.
>> He's an American Canadian conservative
political commentator who slowed down
just a bit.
>> Sending pictures of your
>> Oh my god. to your employees.
>> After not one, two, three, but five,
I've heard some reports of 10 staffers,
employees who used to work with him
coming out talking about what a creep he
was and how he allegedly sexually
harassed people at work,
where the reports are saying that he
allegedly sent pictures of his private
area to other male employees. But again,
we're not going to get into these sick
and demented really we beyond weird just
really creepy sick allegations. We're
not going to get into that. We're going
to go into this academically properly
refuting his lies that about Islam and
Pro Muhammad. He tries to put Pro
Muhammad against Jesus who we love as
Muslims and rever him. It's a messenger,
the Messiah. We'll also talk be talking
about Iran and how this term Shia
originated,
where my next guest sees this war going
and answer also ask and answer another
question. Why if there's such a thing as
Judeo-Christian,
then why are there so many rabbis
they're extremely upset with Christians
that they they want to see this country
brought to its knees? have to go down to
their knees.
>> Now, just imagine that if this was a
Muslim imam talking like that
>> for how they treated us over the last
2,000 years for the destruction of the
second temple and how they treated us,
Hashem's going to take him down.
>> So, if you guys like history like I do
and you really want to know the truth,
you're going to get to learn it here.
It's an exciting episode because we're
going to talk about all that and more
with my next guest, historical
analyst Omar of the Orient.
>> Uh Muhammad besieging, executing,
enslaving everyone who stood against
him. You can look at the conquest of
Levant. You can go 8th century. You
know, you still have the church of the
sephiler in Palestine, which by the way,
the the keys are being held by Muslims
because
>> Christians who've been persecuting the
the people and Muslims been, you know,
um giving them safe haven from that
Christian persecution. Why would
Muhammad do that? Why would he do that?
>> Muhammad was literally a warlord.
>> Yes. At the tip of a sword.
>> They're all going to go down. They're
all going to go down to their knees,
especially the Western one. That's what
happened to Egypt. That's what's going
to happen to America. That's what's
going to happen to Germany. That's
what's going to happen to France. So
it's going to happen to London, England,
it's going to happen to
>> you have no idea the types of things
that happen to our women and children
when an when an army comes in and like
you know sort of thing. When they found
him when they heard him say something
like that
>> they came down and just you gave gave
him the Bible and took the land and just
forced conversions and puloo he was the
warrior the Muslim warrior who helped
fight off. Now who's coming to go ahead
attack the Franks? So the French I don't
think there's anything going to get me
in heaven. Okay, I've really
>> When he defeated the Meccans, he gave
everyone clemency except for nine
people. And of those nine people
>> when he returns what's going to happen
very vivid vivid explanation and picture
paraphrasing talking about peace uh
calling for peace but they're the
actually corruptors on the land.
This is the
day.
Alhamdulillah. Assalamu alaikum.
Greetings of peace. My next guest is
Omar of the Orient. He's a writer, a
documentary filmmaker, an author, and a
historical analyst.
And there's an abundance of attacks on
Islam from before and today. and it's
spreading pretty fast. So, we're trying
to keep up with it. And we're going to
be starting off with someone who's no
stranger to attacking Islam. Goes by the
name of Louderder Crowder. It's an
American Canadian conservative political
commentator. Let's get into this video
and then we'll bring out our next guest.
Islam is such a violent religion. Every
time we murder a bunch of their
children, they try to kill some of us.
Disgusting.
Okay, here's the truth. Um, and I get
that it's easy for people to uh believe
this out there if you just haven't
opened the Quran or any other history
book. First, let's go through history.
Islam has been entirely spread through
violence and conquest since its
inception. Every single century with no
exception.
>> All right. Well, there you have it.
That's the uh louder for Crowder. We're
not going to get into all the other
madness that's going on in his life and
all the alleged things that uh he's been
accused of with his employees and all
the madness. You can look that up for
yourselves. It's it's really um insane.
But let's get into these uh these
accusations and clear them up with my
next guest, Omar.
Greens of peaceum.
How are you?
>> I'm doing great. How are you?
>> Good. Good. I I would I'm I hope you're
doing um better. Uh because after you
hear this, I mean this can I get How
does it make you feel when I hear this?
I said I all sorts of things go through
my mind and I'm like, you know, there's
people who actually believe this stuff
and it's our job, I guess. I mean, he
tried to and you're in that arena of
giving the historical analysis and
helping people to see the truth. You
actually have a video also. Was Islam
spurred by the source? I think this goes
right in right into it. We'll go like
line by line. We'll go into it. But
what's your first reaction when you um
when you kind of filtering this and
listening to it? What are your thoughts?
Yeah. You know, the first thing the
first thing I think of is, you know,
they're they're trying to make a
comparison between the history of Islam
and the history of Christianity in terms
of uh violence.
And I'm just thinking, you know, they're
sitting in a glass house and they're
throwing rocks. You know, this is a very
dangerous position for them to be in uh
for any of their arguments to hold up.
You know, so for example, they were
talking about the whole Spanish uh quote
unquote reconista, right? Uh the
entirety of that history is basically uh
them coming in to Muslim lands where we
had the local Iberian Muslims uh which
were the majority population not Arabs
not Berbers or as they prefer to be
called uh but you had uh the people the
population there the Iberian people what
we call Spanish and Portuguese today.
These were Muslims and they come in uh
they essentially slaughter and kill
their way all the way to the south uh
until the last bastion where they had
Granada. Uh and once they took that they
basically either uh forcefully converted
everyone to Christianity or they exiled
them. And this was actually such a a
huge problem for them because so many
people were exiled from the land and so
many people were forced to leave their
homes that the farmlands were uh left
empty and they had these massive uh you
know uh economic disasters because of
that. Uh it had a real world effect you
know the it just goes to show that when
you um you know the the the sins that
you do or the damage that you cause it
will eventually come back to bite you.
Um, so if you want all we can go uh line
by line through this whole thing. Uh,
but I found it very laughable to be
honest
>> myself also. He says that starting off
here's the truth. So he opens off. Okay,
here is the truth. Okay, like he's got
the truth and you got to hear it. If you
open up the Quran, Islam has been
entirely spread by violence and conquest
since its inception. Let's start with
that. Open the Quran or any other
history book. First, let's go through
history. Islam has been entirely spread
through violence and conquest since its
inception. Every single century with no
exception predating the United States.
>> Yeah. So the entirety you have to
remember the s for example I assume he's
talking about the s here. S was 20 uh 22
years roughly and um the uh 23 years and
the first uh years of those it was 13
years in Mecca and essentially that
entire time they had their uh you know
Allah had commanded them to basically to
uh to tie their hands you know they were
basically subjected to the worst forms
of torture. Of course, we have the
stories of Balah and we have the others
as well uh of course and these were
people that were tortured immensely uh
to the point where they had to leave
their own homes. They had to go to find
another place to live in Abasinia in
Havesha uh just to escape the
persecution. And then when they finally
manage to have their own um you know
place of political refuge in Medina,
when they finally are able to leave
there and they have political asylum,
they're actually able to then establish
their own state away from those who are
oppressing them. Then you have uh the
the Quraysh and their um you know and
their groups and their allies uh you
know they constantly were harassing
them, constantly were waging war against
them. Uh so uh in the end uh this this
story of Islam and how it spread and the
uh this the um the entire of the pro
prophet sallall alaihi wasallam he's
he's under attack by foreigners who are
just attacking him because of his
religion.
>> So this claim now that Islam was spread
by the uh the sword historically I mean
this is obviously false. You know you
have this is a slogan that they often
repeat but if you if you take for
example the largest Muslim populations
for example Indonesia, Malaysia, West
Africa, you know were they converted by
armies?
Were they forced by the sword? Yeah. So
this is this is one of the major holes
in their arguments. uh just take a look
at so you give the example of Indonesia,
Malaysia, but I actually want to also
give the example of the places that were
conquered so that we can really have a
better understanding of what's actually
happening. So let's take Egypt for
example. Egypt was one of the first
lands to be conquered by the Muslims.
And this was uh due in part because the
Romans at the time they were uh holding
these lands. The same thing with the
land Badm. So that's Palestine, Syria,
Jordan, Lebanon. Uh these lands they
were held by the Romans. Uh and the
Romans have a history of antagonizing
the Muslims of course they uh three of
the best Sahaba for example um you know
uh uh I believe it was during the the
battle of Ma uh they uh you know there
was the um the whole situation the
battle of Tabuk of course even if it
wasn't a real battle there were
skirmishes um so there's a history
between uh the Romans and the Muslims
there so when the Romans finally are
defeated by the Muslims and the Muslims
they come in and they take the lands
away from the Romans
uh this is essentially a liberation. Uh
and you'll find that for example uh with
the Coptic Christians in Egypt, you
know, they had a long history of being
oppressed by the Roman Christians
because they had a different version of
Christianity. So when the Muslims came
into those lands, they gave them the
freedom to practice their own version of
Christianity and they didn't convert the
people by the sword. This is important.
And how do we know this? Because if you
look at the historical records, it
actually took something like 3 to 400
years for the Egyptian population to
actually, you know, convert, you know,
uh to become the majority population
Muslim. It took hundreds of years. This
is completely uh as opposed to the way
that Christianity spread. You know, when
Christianity spread uh in uh Iberia, for
example, it didn't take hundreds of
years. It was almost instant because of
the the forcefulness and the brutality.
It was either you uh you're forced into
Christianity or you die by our sword or
you're kicked out of the country.
>> Christianity spread exclusively
through proatizing, missions works and
uh and cultural conversion.
>> But with the Muslims, they go into the
lands and they liberate the people. They
free them from the uh oppressive uh the
oppressive religious policies of the
Romans. They free them from the
oppressive taxation of the Romans. You
know, the Christians, they always love
to bring Jiza, but Jiza is significantly
less. It was a significantly less amount
than uh what the Romans were taxing
their own quote unquote Christian
brethrens. Uh and it takes them hundreds
of years to become Muslim. Why? Because
the way that Islam spreads is generally
in four stages. The first stage is that
you have um you have a sort of da that's
spread among the people. It's often
traders that are interacting with other
traders in the land uh or people that
you know if here here in the west for
example we're in stage one where we're
kind of spreading da by doing uh you
know these sort of podcasts or we're
talking with people in the streets. But
then it gets to stage two. Stage two is
when you start to have some influential
people that start to convert to Islam
and they start to actually spread their
message among their people. These are
local influential people. Uh and I would
actually say uh in the in the west here
we're starting to get into stage two
where we have celebrities, we have
basketball players, we have influencers
that are becoming Muslim and now they're
spreading it amongst their people. Then
you get to stage three uh which we
haven't yet reached in the west which is
where you have uh governors and
politicians uh and people of political
power. they become Muslim uh and uh they
start spreading it among their people
and among their followers. Uh and then
of course you have stage four where the
majority of the population they start to
to convert and it becomes a Muslim
nation. So this whole process took
hundreds of years in Egypt. Uh it took
something like 7 800 years uh in uh
Indonesia because they didn't have that
initial political conquest against a
giant empire like the Roman Empire. Uh
so it was a much slower spread. We're
having the exact same effect here in the
west where um you know it's we're on the
same trajectory as Indonesia and
Malaysia. Uh I think it'll be faster
because of the way that the internet
works things move a lot quicker. Uh in
Indonesia and Malaysia just to get from
stage one to stage two it took you know
maybe 300 years. Here it's taken like 50
years. Um, so when he's talking about
political conquest, what he's actually
meaning is that you have one army that's
fighting another army, one group of
soldiers that's fighting another uh
group of soldiers. And you have the
Muslims that are conquering the Romans
after, you know, already having been
antagonized by them. Uh, and then
they're freeing the lands and then
they're leaving the people. They're
leaving the people to allow them to do
their own practices, their own religion,
their own faith. And eventually just by
having that interaction with people they
become Muslims.
>> Mhm.
>> And proof of this just another proof I
you know uh is the fact that still at
least 10% of the Egyptian population is
Christian. The exact same thing if you
go to uh for example uh Palestine or uh
Syria or these other places that were uh
the very first lands to be conquered.
You still have huge populations that are
non-Muslim, huge populations that are
Christian. you know, you still have uh
the church of the sepiler or however
it's pronounced in uh in Palestine,
which by the way, the keys are being
held by Muslims because uh yeah, because
the Christians, they trusted the Muslims
uh with those keys and the Muslims have
upheld their um their responsibility up
until now. So we have a very very long
history with interacting with uh
Christians and and other uh religions uh
across the uh you know across the world
essentially and we don't have a history
of converting people by the sword. We do
have a history however of taking down
oppressive empires.
>> That's really profound. So if Islam was
truly spread entirely, if it was spread
by violence, there wouldn't be such like
you said large Christian and Jewish
populations that survive under Muslim
rule for hundreds of years. So this and
then as I asked these Malaysia and the
other countries that trade and and
people seeing the the honesty and the
virtue of of the Muslims and this
intrigue them also to look into what's
their religion and then the pure
monotheism worshiping the creator not
the creation everything adds up makes
sense and people are accepting not by
the sword and so he goes on and he gives
a bunch of different examples one of
them to kind of substantiate his proof
is the the rebellious tribe this uh
he also misrepresents this Benu. Yes,
let's get into that. This incident uh
he's he's painting it as if um this is
just some kind of random act of Muslims
hating people uh and leaving out the
treason and all the other things that
caused this. Let's get into that. Uh
Muhammad besieging, executing, enslaving
everyone who stood against him. You can
look at the conquest of Levant. You can
go 8th century the uh I mean there's
more Islamic conquest you can go to the
15th century the sack of constets no
kind of a big one and this is the reason
that it's important um of course the
barbar wars like we talked about that's
the 18th 19th century with a bunch of
Islamic pirates that's really why we
have the kind of navy and marines that
we do so essentially what happened with
these tribes when the prophetam he first
went into Medina uh from the very
beginning he established something
that's called the um the um what was the
the uh
>> you had the Medina charter.
>> Yeah, the Dur I forgot the uh yeah, the
charter but there's a word constitution
>> the constitution of Medina. And so
essentially he named all of the tribes
that were uh in Medina, including the
three Jewish tribes that were there as
equals in terms of being part of this uh
um of Medina. You know
>> why he didn't have to if he wanted to
just off the bat that's profound. I want
people to to to don't lose your place,
but just to think about that
>> if Islam is against people, the like
this, you know, like they're trying to
project because actually it's it's the
the Christians who've been persecuting
the the people and Muslims been, you
know, um giving them safe haven from
that Christian persecution. Why would
Muhammad do that? Why would he do that?
What you're just describing to describe
why? Why? It doesn't make sense. Why?
>> Yeah, exactly. You know, this is
something that uh they really uh they
haven't really wrapped their heads
around or it's something that it really
pokes a a hole in their argument because
um we have that history right from the
very beginning. The very first
constitution written in Islam, the very
first document, political document
written in Islam was all about
protecting the rights of the people and
sharing in the responsibilities of
maintaining this political structure
between uh Muslims and uh and by the way
uh the pagans that were still active in
Medina. It's not like when the prophet
sallallaihi wasallam came like everybody
was Muslim. They were still pagans at
the time. Uh and they were also part of
that treaty. Uh and so you know when you
have uh some of these tribes they go and
join the Quraysh uh in existential
crisis where essentially the entire
population is uh at risk of being
eradicated uh by these incoming armies
and you have a a a tribe whether they're
or Muslim or Christian or pagan whatever
if you have a tribe that goes out and
joins them or supports them in any way
in order to eradicate the entire
civilization that lives there That's
extremely dangerous. And so we have to
understand, we have to take into account
the the the context of this situation
that when you have a situation like
that, uh you know, they're they're
liable basically uh for treason and the
punishment that goes with treason. And
by the way, the the the West has a long
history of um very similar uh
understanding of treason. uh you know
for example in uh World War I and World
War II you had people in uh Britain for
example that joined the Nazis uh whether
they were joining them actively or
joining them uh through propaganda means
and those people were executed. those
people were executed because they
essentially they had gone against uh the
British and they had joined the Nazis uh
and the the possibility of having the
civilization of Britain eradicated by
the Nazis was so great that you have to
understand that this sort of punishment
exists. There's also a concept called
fiduciary.
So for example, if you're um um if you
are a daycare worker and you're taking
care of children, right? You have a
fiduciary responsibility for that child
because the the responsibility you have
over that child is so much greater like
the the level of responsibility you have
is so much greater. the relationship you
have is so much closer that someone that
uh you know hurts uh one of the children
that's under their care, they're liable
for such a a much huger punishment than
someone who has nothing to do with the
child. Same thing with a doctor patient
relationship or a lawyer patient
relationship, a lawyer um defendant
relationship. This is called a
fiduciary. So someone that is part of
the tribe or someone that is part of the
uh constitution and they do something
where they betray the entire tribe and
put them at risk of being eradicated.
And by the way, forgive me for saying
this, but it's not just eradication. You
have no idea the types of things that
happen to our women and children when an
when an army comes in and and takes them
over. It's much worse than death. There
are much worse things than death,
>> you know. So we we have to this is the
context.
>> Yeah.
>> This is what these tribes have uh
potentially allowed our women and
children to suffer under and our entire
civilization to be eradicated. That's
that's the danger that they put us in.
>> When you unpackage this, when you put it
in context, it really shows the
hypocrisy.
And even isn't it true that Pro Muhammad
peace be upon him he also he gave this
judgment to Sad Iban Muad also who that
he is the one who had the ruling done by
the law of the Torah which actually was
legislated in Deutronomy rules of
wartime treason. Isn't that also
something that uh is is just
mind-blowing that now it it actually
according to the bi the Bible the the
Old Testament.
>> Yeah. I mean what what's even more
interesting is not just that fact but
the fact that uh when the prophet
sallallaihi wasallam went to them you
know in order to convince them to come
out he agreed with him he made an
agreement with him said we will uh would
it be reasonable for us to essentially
have Muad to uh to pass judgment on you
because he had actually been an ally of
that tribe uh back in the day. So you
know before Islam uh reached these
people they had um they had what was
called like they had different wars for
example they had bu and different wars
between the different tribes of Medina.
So there were civil wars that were
happening and so you had one tribe which
was called and one tribe which was
called and they were fighting against
each other. These are the Arab tribes.
Uh, and they allied themselves with
different tribes. And so it just so
happened that this tribe was an ally of
the tribe of Sad. And Sad was the the
leader of that tribe. And so they had a
long-term relationship with each other.
They were allies with each other. And
yet sad he made that decision based off
of the rulings of Deuteronomy and based
off of the uh you know the despite the
fact that they were allies with each
other and the fact that it was uh this
tribe that actually asked him to pass
judgment on it and they agreed that
whatever judgment he passes on it they
would accept it.
>> Okay, a few more of these points. We'll
get through this quickly. I want to get
into um also your analysis of what's
happening in Iran, the third temple,
benny, all of this and more. But before
we do, let's just cover this. He talks
about force conversions. You know,
obviously you had me it's very known
empires expanded just like the Romans,
Persians, Byzantines, but he he tries to
equate with the the expansion of Muslims
that this equal forced conversions. uh
let's touch about that and then um we'll
go from there.
>> You can go to the seventh century where
you look at uh Muhammad besieging,
executing, enslaving. As a matter of
fact, the perfect example would be uh
the Rickonista there of Spain.
>> So, as I mentioned, we don't have that
history of forced conversions. Uh there
have been maybe like I can think of two
kings out of the thousands of kings that
we've had that had uh a uh a one-time
policy of force conversion for a
specific group of people. and we don't
accept them. We don't accept those
rulings. That's not part of our history.
We don't uh agree with them. Um however,
let's go back to the Inquisition of of
Spain. I'll tell you why. Because
there's there's actually a part two to
that. So, when the Spanish were coming
in, excuse me, when the Franks were
coming in from France and they were
taking over the lands that we call Spain
and and Portugal today, right? Again,
this is not a reconista. These are
people that are new to those lands.
These are people that have never
conquered those lands before. taking it
away from the local people who have
lived there for thousands of years and
had happened to have converted to Islam.
When they came in and they forced those
conversions or they exiled them, many of
those people they actually fled to the
new world or the quote unquote new
world. So to places like Peru and
Mexico, you know, South America and the
like. And uh we actually have historical
records of people there that were
actually practicing Islam in secret. uh
and they have records of for example in
Mexico where uh they continued this
program the Spanish they continued this
program in places like Mexico and Peru
and when they found Muslims secretly
practicing their Islam someone you know
uh there was a there was um a case for
example uh there was a Muslim a secret
Muslim he was playing cards with some
people there or is playing some kind of
like board game or something and I don't
know if he lost or he won the game or
whatever he blurted out a praise for the
prophet sallallaihi wasallam in a to
sort of like frustration like you know
sort of thing when they found him when
they heard him say something like that
you know they basically uh if I remember
correctly they executed him or they
either imprisoned him or executed him it
was such um it was it's just an example
and there's many examples of h of this
happening in Mexico after they've
already been taken away from their land
and now they're they're forced to go and
hide in another place and it continues
it continues news. They're relentless.
They don't stop. So, it's not just the
Inquisition of Spain. They even carry it
over to South America where people are
fleeing for their lives. Subhan Allah.
You know, and this is this is only one
case. We don't know how many cases there
are. There was a there was books been
written on this. Um
>> wasn't uh also they they carried over to
the the Philippines, wasn't at one point
the Philippines was like 99% Muslims and
you have a what was the statue that they
still um they have there in the
Philippines? And then they also they
they came down and just you gave gave
him the Bible and took the land and just
forced conversions and they tried to
project that on to if Muslims were doing
the same thing which is to totally
false.
>> Yeah. So with the Philippines um I just
want to correct you a little bit. It
wasn't that 99% of the population. It
was 99% of the you could say it was the
majority of the population in the
southern islands. So the Philippines
they have three sections. uh Islam
really came into the southern islands uh
and it still remains there. You know 10%
of the Philippines is Muslim and uh you
know almost all of them are in those
southern islands there um but even
Muslims they they had a um uh at some
point they did have rulership in the
northern islands. Manila for example was
a polity uh under uh the Sulu Empire uh
which was based in uh Brunai I believe.
Uh so yeah we have a long history of
Islam in that region but again uh when
we take over a place it doesn't mean
that the people convert to Islam. You
know we have a history of ruling the
Philippines but we didn't convert the
people to Islam by force. Uh and you
know we had um we had been there for a
long time but still you know majority of
the population in the north and the
middle islands were non-Muslim and we're
fine with that. We have no issue with
that. But when the Spanish came in and
they found, you know, they had they had
essentially eradicated the Muslims in
Spain and now they traveled across the
world going on to the other side of the
world uh and they found Muslims there
shocked, you know, by this. How is it
that, you know, we just eradicated over
here? How did you get over there, you
know? And so that, by the way, um they
called them the Moros, which is the same
word as Moors, uh which what they
called, um uh the people of, uh uh North
Africa. Um so they call them the same
word. It's the same people that are
doing the same inquisition. They went to
the Philippines and now you find you
don't even have the native religions
there anymore. It's all just cath
Catholicism because they were all forced
to convert to their version of
Christianity.
Um, and it was only because you had a
few sultanates in the south that fought
for their lives to protect their people
for hundreds of years that you still
have some populations uh of the
Philippines Muslim today. is just
because the Spanish they never got to
them,
>> wasn't it? His name was Lapulu. He was
the warrior, the Muslim warrior who
helped fight off the the um Inquisitions
at one point. Lapu Lapu.
>> So Lapu Lau is one of the folk heroes of
uh the Philippines for sure. And there
is a dispute as to whether he was Muslim
or not. Um the Malaysians, for example,
Malaysian historians say that he was a
Muslim. He converted. Uh the Filipino
historians, they say that he didn't
convert. Um there could be political
reasons behind this. whatever. Um, but
actually for me there's a there's an
even greater name. His name was Muhammad
Kudra. And this was a guy he was like
the Wuid of the Philippines. This guy,
he united the tribes for 50 years.
Essentially, never lost the battle. And
the Spanish, they feared him. Why?
Because he he defended his lands and he
never let the Spanish come in. The
Spanish, they were just they were
eradicating and conquering and forced
conversions. And this guy, he protected
his people and he never lot lost a
battle against them. We're very proud of
him. His name is Muhammad Kudarat. Uh
he's he's the real hero.
>> For those uh history lovers and who love
the truth, I'm sure you're loving this
episode. Let's get into uh Andeloo,
Spain. And this actually clearly exposes
the double standards. I mean, under
Muslim rule, you had who thrived. It's
called the golden age of cultures.
Christians lived there also. Uh but when
obviously when Christians uh they took
back Spain, you can get into what
actually happened because he he want
tries to sound smart. He throw he talks
real fast, throws he throws some clips
out there. It says something you can't I
can't really make him out too much. Uh
but he tries he tries to uh paint a a ve
very vile image. But this I think works
against that argument because it shows
actually what took place for any uh true
historian who um talks about this golden
age. Let's get into that real quickly.
You mentioned it before, but let's let's
touch upon how it is.
>> The Rick Conista there of Spain. So
Spain, let me just use this as a very
clear example in case you believe it's
the United States. We are the reason
that Islam is violent.
>> So there's a concept called in in
Spanish called Vvenia. And it basically
it's like the coexistence. That's what
it means. And because uh the land of
Spain, you know, even like you'll find
um it's well known that they consider uh
Muslim Spain to be uh as you mentioned
the golden age, the cultural golden age
of Judaism. Um this is where you had
people like uh for example uh the most
famous uh um you know rabbi uh Rambam
they call him. His name was Mymones. Uh
Rambam was his nickname. You know this
is where he essentially he's codified
the entire religion in his version of
the Mishna. Uh long story short, there's
basically you know um they basically con
uh people they consider him to be the
greatest rabbi of all time. Uh and they
have a phrase you know from Moses I I
Musa the prophetam to Moses uh my manes
you know uh they consider these two to
be like the the great uh heroes of their
um of their history. And so he and among
uh you know other rabbis they thrived
during this time and it wasn't just the
the for example it was the Christians as
well. So the Christians they would come
over and they would study uh mathematics
and uh you know and sciences and art and
architecture and all sorts of things in
uh that's even how we have um what's
called the Arabic numerals you know. So
the numbers that you see today 1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 these are called Arabic
numerals. We call them that in the
English language called Arabic numerals.
And the reason for that is because uh
Fibonacci from Italy and Pope Sylvester
II uh from the Vatican, they came over
and they studied. Imagine the pope, the
pope and one of the greatest Italian
mathematicians, they came over to
Anderus and studied and they brought
back those numbers with them to Europe
and that's how it became popularized. Um
and so why is it called levenia? Because
you had these religions coexisting
peacefully in that uh in that land. uh
and we didn't have this history of
aggression of one religion over another.
We were able to keep peace between the
and the Christians of all different
denominations and the Muslims. Uh and by
the way, this is only uh one of uh three
uh um time periods of that are commonly
known. The other is when the Muslims
took over Jerusalem, you also had these
three religions coexisting. And the
other uh which I'm sure you'll be
familiar with is Sievo where under the
Ottomans these three uh religions
coexisted peacefully. Yeah. So these are
yeah these are considered like the three
great um coexistences. Of course you
have others but the point is that uh you
know you might have in uh uh in Persia
for example that live there peacefully
but you didn't have Christians you know
uh because they didn't they weren't it
wasn't a popular religion there. So I'm
showing places where all three religions
coexist peacefully uh in mass.
>> And now what happens when they end up
because in there he's like uh well let
me get to this first. So what happens
next now? So first off in 7-Eleven why
did the Muslims come there in the first
place again?
>> Okay. So this is an interesting story.
So there was um you're talking about the
uh the conquest of endless by the
Muslims. Yes. So um
>> before we get before we get to the
golden age just real quickly and then we
and then what happens after they take it
back.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So basically there was
a guy his name was Julian of Seuta uh
and he ruled um uh you know uh uh the
last sort of remaining uh portion of uh
Roman rule in Morocco. And so the the
Muslims they wanted this land. And so he
said look you know I have a beef. I have
an issue with um with the ruler of Aland
Andelus. His name was Rodrigo or
something like that. It was um remember
just back up the the um there was a
people called the Visigoths. The
Visigoths these were Germanic people
from Germany that were ruling over Aland
Andelus for the last 400 years. Uh and
they were generally unpopular. He had an
issue with the king there because as
according to the story uh the king may
have uh violated his daughter so to
speak uh when she went there to go
study. Uh and so he said, "Okay, if you
defeat these guys, uh I'll give you seut
here in uh Morocco." So it was kind of
like a an exchange. And so the Muslims,
they went uh across um and they um by
the way, just to give even further
context, the Muslims, they already had
navies. Uh they had navies. They were
fully capable of going and conquering
those lands, but they didn't for the
longest time because they had no
incentive. Um there was no aggression
between them. There was no issues that
they had with the Visigos. Um but uh
they you know because of this uh deal
that they had with uh Julian uh they
decide okay this is this is perfectly
fine we'll we'll go and help you out. So
they go there they have one battle the
battle of Guadalete uh and the Visigots
they essentially fall apart because it's
such a fragmented and weak uh kingdom.
Uh and as they followed them up into the
north as they followed the Visigoths
they found a lot of support from the
local Iberians. I call them Iberians
because it's the Iberian Peninsula.
These are essentially the ancestors of
the Portuguese and the Spanish. Um and
if and actually surprising enough they
they um um surprising enough for someone
like whoever the guy was was talking uh
they had a lot of support from the
because they had populations there that
were heavily oppressed by uh the
Visigoths by their version of
Christianity uh by their um you know you
know the Christians have a long history
of oppressing uh the so they found uh
support from the populations and the
local Iberians and so they were given
intelligence
you know, uh, military intelligence, you
know, where are these Visigoths? How can
they, you know, attack them, how can
they defeat them, whatever. And
eventually they managed to kick the
Visigoths out and they liberated, um,
uh, Aland Andelus essentially in the
same way that they liberated Egypt and
Spain uh, from an invading empire that
had been oppressing the people
religiously and through taxation for
hundreds of years. And then you have now
Islam is established golden age all
these three religions living peacefully
coinciding and then what happens after
that now they take it back is there what
happens to the Muslims and the peaceful
coexistence after that takeover now
>> so we have to be really careful about
this word taking it back because there
is no taking it back these are
foreigners that are coming in look you
have yeah you have these Iberians
they're Muslim now you know just like
the Egyptians are Muslim today. If I go
to, you know, and say, okay, you know,
one day the, I don't know, um, uh, the
Greeks, they come and they, uh, conquer
Egypt. I'm going to say, okay, they took
it back because the Greeks are
Christian. No, the Egyptians have been
there forever. The Iberians have been
there forever. These are the local
people. They've just happened to have
converted to Islam in the same way that
the Egyptians
>> Yeah, exactly. So, it's the same the
same people now accept Islam. And now
who now who's coming to go ahead attack
the Franks? So the Franks come attack.
Yeah. What happens from there?
>> Yeah. So the Franks they come
>> Franks who are what religion? Christian.
>> Christian, you know, but their version
of Christianity.
>> Their version of Christianity,
>> you know. Yeah. This was different than
the Romans version of Christianity, of
course, because they're Catholics. The
Romans were um Orthodox or, you know,
protoorthodox, however you want to call
it. Um but essentially you know these
people from the north from modern day
land of France and the surrounding areas
they come in and they uh they
essentially they uh they conquer the
land of uh Alanderos and when they do
that as we mentioned before they their
policy is essentially forced conversion
or
uh exile um and even even after they
forcely converted people a couple
hundred years later anyone that was from
a tribe or was from a a family that uh
happened to have been Muslim before even
if they've been Christian now for a
couple hundred years they also were
kicked out you know uh so there was a
multiple steps that took place just to
just to absolutely verifiably eradicate
any possibility that any Muslim could
ever be there whether they were hidden
or not
>> he mentions uh he goes so we covered we
covered the we covered the Spain he gets
into and and this is not just from him
you you'll hear this come up a lot these
Barbar wars
>> and they try to link that back to Islam
how do you like to answer that
>> and this is the reason that it's
important. Um, of course the Barbary
Wars like we talked about that's the
18th 19th century with a bunch of
Islamic pirates. That's really why we
have the kind of navy and marines that
we do. And this by the way also Okay. So
you're talking about the piracy that
took place uh in uh uh in the
Mediterranean Sea. Okay. So the the way
that uh the world worked at the time is
that when you have uh different nations
that are fighting with each other, one
of the things that you have uh is the um
uh basically you're allowed to attack
their economic means, right? So if you
if for example the Ottoman Empire is
having uh you know a fight with uh the
French or something like that, you know,
uh it's not that you can just you don't
just attack their armies, but you also
attack their coffers, you attack their
treasury, you attack uh their trade
routes. Uh and so this is something that
was mutual between both sides. It was an
established part of war. It was
established in that uh everyone knows
this is how it works. Um so the Muslims
haven't done anything different than
what the French or the British were
doing. Everyone had their own uh uh
pirates essentially in uh the
Mediterranean Sea. And they were all
state funded. you know these were um you
know these were it was basically you
know one state against another trying to
attack the um the income of that other
state in order to get an edge over them
uh and this is just a standard part of
uh the way that war worked at that time
I don't see uh you know um what exactly
the argument that he's making
>> tell me I think this is the weakest
argument here he tries to make a
comparison with proph Muhammad peace
bless be upon him and Jesus peace be
upon him who we love and rever one of
the mightiest messengers the messiah
and he tries to make this uh argument
and put them against each other and try
to prove a point and obviously Jesus
Christ he didn't have a state he didn't
govern a society pro Muhammad was both a
prophet and a statesman so when you hear
this when he try and then they try to
make this claim Muhammad was a was a
warlord
and how how would you respond to this
>> uh which would be Muhammad versus Jesus
>> Muhammad was literally a warlord
>> yes at the tip of a sword. Which brings
us to the founders.
>> Yeah. Did Jesus Christ ever kill
anybody? Did Jesus Christ ever wage a
war? Did Jesus Christ ever call for
neverending war jihad or specifically to
kill those who subverted uh the book
namely Christians? And I know you'll
find some verses in the
>> you know. So I see that the prophet he
he had two phases to his life as I
mentioned before. So the first phase of
his life when he was in Mecca is very
similar to uh the fa to the life of
Isaam to Jesus uh in that yes he didn't
have a state uh and he uh he maintained
peace uh even when people were
oppressing him he didn't raise his hands
to fight the others there was no point
at which the Muslims were attacking
those who were oppressing them it was
very similar to that that life that left
when Muhammad wasam Muhammad wasallam
eventually was given a state uh then he
turned more to prophet similar to Musa
Moses. And so uh for example, Moses is
um he's known to have um uh you know
there was uh uh he wanted to for example
attack the lands of Kanan or you know
where you had either the city of Jericho
or the city of Jerusalem. Um he died
before that happened but his immediate
follower his uh his successor Khalifa uh
which they called Joshua, Joshua the
warrior uh he went in and he conquered
those lands. Uh and because this was um
you know there uh they were an
oppressive people that were oppressing
their people and he went in to go and
conquer those lands against the
oppressor. You have to understand what
what is the purpose of conquest for us?
The purpose of conquest is essentially
to remove oppression from the land. If
you have an empire that's oppressing the
people whether it's their own local
people or they're oppressing uh other
people that are surrounding them, other
nations, then we are allowed to go in
and we're allowed to declare war. First
of all, we have rules of war. we're
allowed to uh you know and we give them
a time frame you know we have
negotiations with them it's not surprise
attacks and then we go in uh and we
defeat them and we remove the oppression
from the land this is what we did
against the Romans and this is what um
Musa and his follower did against the
people that were um tyrannical uh in the
lands of uh you know Palestine today
what they called at the back at the time
and the prophet sallallaihi wasallam he
had uh this war with the Quraysh the
Quraysh they were oppressing the Muslims
even though they were still in another
land. You know, they had just left
Mecca. Now they're in Medina. The Qurish
is still coming in trying to oppress
them, trying to kill them, trying to
attack them, trying to to do whatever
they could with their women and
children. He has a right to go and
finish the job and defeat them. And what
happened when he defeated them? By the
way, this is really important. He gave
ev he gave everyone in the entire city
of of Mecca when he finally opened Mecca
when he defeated the Meccans he gave
everyone clemency except for nine people
and of those nine people he still give
fa gave fa five of them clemency
afterwards and he still forgave them. So
out of thousands of people there were
only four people who were actually
harmed and executed in the end and that
was because they were the absolute worst
of the worst. They had refused. They had
done the most devious uh uh uh attacks.
Uh they had been the most brutal in
their own conquest. Uh and you know
these were the only people that were
actually executed.
>> I would really advise him and others. Uh
you have Omar of the uh Omar of the
ambient correct
>> orient. I'll tell you I'll tell you why
that name.
>> Have you ever I'm sure you know Edward
say right in his book orientalism. So
essentially we have people like uh I
don't know what his name is Crowder or
something basically they look at yeah
they look at uh our world our Muslim
world through the lens of an orientalist
basically they try to to look at it as
the other as the strange thing as
inhuman as weird you know whatever
adjectives you want to use essentially
we're not human to them or we're like
it's like watching the animal kingdom on
you know Discovery Channel or something
that's how they look at us and so I
wanted to to flip the tables. I said,
"No, no. I'm I'm going to tell our story
from the perspective of someone who's
from our people." And so, I'm from that
Orient that you always talk about. I'm
from the Orient. Okay? I'm going to tell
our story and I'm not going to let you
orientalists talk about us as if we're
animals when in fact we are the most
noble people. So, that's where the name
came from.
>> Beautiful. I advise him to go to your
channel. You have a a condensed a very
nice well put together biography. Um and
the way you do it uh beautifully
storytelling the life of Proph Muhammad
Hida his history it's like in a fiveh
hour um
>> video very I think if he if he's really
sincere go there for anybody else but
let me we've given a lot of attention to
uh Mr. crowder, louder. And he he talks
about he he compares he says Jesus never
killed anyone, waged war, uh called for
jihad or those who subverted the book. I
mean, this is really if if you say that
Jesus, peace be upon him, again, who we
love and rever, but they say he's God,
literal God. But it's ironic. He prayed
to God, right? He
>> no
>> he um called people to worship God. So
there's obviously false. But he if he's
God, obviously he did. You just open up
the the Old Testament, you'll see
Deutronomy. You'll see, you know, the
the all over the, you know, the
massacres and the call to just outright
uh um genocide. You'll see there which
we say this is mainly the changing of
the book, changing of these texts,
right? So uh what do you say to that
argument where he's saying and comparing
she says look what Muhammad is a warlord
but look at Jesus never killed anybody
never waged war but so you have all the
things that if he's god he did just open
up the bible and what he called to death
of apostates uh death of the person who
disrespects his parents and the list
goes on and on uh and then Jesus also
talks about when he returns what's going
to happen a very vivid vivid explanation
and
how he's going to come in and the things
he's going to do, the unaliving that
he's going to do. So, what do you like
to say to that?
>> Muhammad was literally a warlord.
>> Yes. At the tip of a sword.
>> Yeah. I mean, I find it very uh strange
that they're talking about peace at a
time when, you know, essentially they're
destroying the world. Um but at the same
time they're looking to continue to
destroy the world because the entire you
know according to the sort of like um
religious narrative that's going on
right now amongst evangelicals is that
the reason that they're starting this
whole war uh is so that they can bring
uh bring forth the the final war the
Armageddon and so that they can bring
back you know like they can they can
play with God and and basically say hey
look you know we're um you know we're
we're causing the prophecies to happen
here so can you uh send Jesus back
already uh you you know, and um you
know, essentially they're saying, "Okay,
when Jesus finally comes back, we've,
you know, we've triggered this. We've
become the catalyst for this through our
wars. Uh he's going to help us go and
eradicate all the Jews, for example. Uh
Jesus is going to come and help us
eradicate all our enemies." Okay, so
this doesn't sound like a very peaceful
uh people to me. And in fact, it sounds
like these are a warhungry people that
are looking for war while they're
calling themselves the peacemakers. Uh I
don't think anybody's buying this. I
mean, that's brilliant because that's
exactly what Allah, the creator says in
the Quran that they're paraphrasing,
talking about peace, uh, calling for
peace, but they're the actually
corruptors on the land. They're the ones
who are spreading mischief. And it's
it's now connecting it to what's
happening. Uh, this is interesting
because you have that lady pastor, she's
uh there in the White House, and you
have everybody as if the one who says uh
he doesn't think he's going to uh
heaven, there's no place in heaven for
him. the president Trump.
>> I don't think there's anything gonna get
me in heaven. Okay. I really I think I
think I'm not maybe heaven bound,
>> but they're saying that he's God sent
and now this is like a mission. And you
talked about these now there's the
fulfillment of these they're trying to
force God Almighty's hand uh for the
second coming of Jesus and it kind of uh
goes against this whole peace and love.
So let's get into that. Where do you see
this with all the analysis of history
and the text? What do you what have you
your conclusion? What do you think is
happening now? We have this whole thing
with the third temple. You talk about
Benny
also in some of your videos. Uh what do
you see with um what's happening now and
what you've studied putting it all to
together?
>> You know, to me this this looks like an
empire that's on its last legs. you
know, it looks like a desperation move.
Uh, and you know, um, I see that um that
the US uh feels like this is kind of its
last opportunity to um to exert itself
as a as a regional hegeimon. You know, I
see this as sort of the US is a
desperate last call and if they don't
win this war, which I don't think
they're going to win this war, uh
they're going to essentially be kicked
out of the region. uh and that leaves
the possibility of you know uh one of
the Muslim nations step stepping up uh
and sort of may perhaps there's going to
be some kind of you know um you know
political ties or alliances or
unification between different nations um
or it could also be uh a possibility
that um unfortunately that uh Israel
could also uh you know uh step up and
fill the void you know we we really have
to see Allah you know uh I I truly
believe Allah of course he's the best of
planners uh I don't spend a lot of my
mental energy thinking about, you know,
what's the next step, what's going to
happen next, because I trust Allah. I
know that Allah is going to give us
what's best. Uh and I I only have um
hope for the future. And part of that if
we're talking about an example from
history is uh we've seen this before.
We've already seen this before to be
honest with you. You know, we had for
example the crusaders come in for and
and take over Jerusalem for hundred
years. uh and Salah of course came uh
but it was it wasn't easy you know uh at
the time the Muslims there were uh you
know hundreds of different nations they
were all divided they were fighting
amongst each other you had nations that
were allying with the crusaders nations
that were against the crusaders you know
it was a big mess you know uh and uh but
it just so happened that Allah you know
allowed certain things to take to unfold
uh and uh the um you know was able to
unify some of the nations there
especially with Syria uh and Egypt and
they managed to um they managed to take
Jerusalem afterwards. Um then
immediately after that, you know, you
had the Mongols. The Mongols came in and
they complet they destroyed everything,
you know, to the point where uh it was
if it wasn't for Egypt uh coming in with
uh with its army at Analut. And by the
way, by the way, uh a portion of the
Mongol army converting to Islam and
starting a civil war. Uh people forget
about that. That's really important. uh
if it wasn't for those uh two armies
uniting you know the the Muslims in
Egypt and the Muslims of the Mongol army
by the way uh then uh the Mongols they
could have come in and destroyed Mecca
and Medina as well uh so you know I'm
I'm always amazed when I see Allah's
plans unfolding uh and I'm always amazed
that no human would have ever been able
to to see this uh coming you know who
would have kn
uh the grandson of Genghaskhan Berkha
would have converted to Islam and taken
a quarter of the Mongol Empire and made
it Muslim and fought against those who
had destroyed Baghdad. You know, you
might find you might find that someone
from converts to Islam and you know
begins a revolution over there, not
necessarily violent but begins a a
revolution of the hearts and minds and
takes people away from this disaster.
You might find that um you know there's
there's people in the US that we see
that influencers are converting to Islam
so quickly. You know, you might find
that soon we're going to have governors
and soon we might have a Muslim
president that actually cares about the
Muslim people. You never know. Like you
never know. Allah has done this before.
You know, why can't we why can't Allah
do it again? Like do we do we doubt
Allah to this level? So I I only have
hope for the future. Like I I know that
Allah is is giving uh victory to the
righteous uh in the end. And what I see
right now is just uh it is the death
throws of an empire.
>> For those watching who are the uh
creating the frenzy of the Sharia
boogeyman and they're peeking and
watching the show, I mean Allah is
simply the creator of the heavens and
the earth. This is the God that uh Jesus
called upon in Aramaic.
And I I I
really call them to think about this
next video that I want you to get to get
your thoughts on because we have this
whole term Judeo-Christian and you have
just a few days ago if it was not
yesterday you had the whole Congress 66
some members and they're talking about
the Sharia boogeyman and while they're
distracting people from the real issues
that are imploding destroying the
society from within uh getting people
distracted from these um Epstein files
and you know the only fans and their
priorities are all mixed up thinking
somehow if we just get rid of Muslims
life will be good but not asking like
why is this person that this these are
not just fringe elements you have a ton
of these videos I'm sure you saw this is
just one of them that I'm going to show
you here but why is there such
resentment and hatred built up where is
this stemming from it's certainly not
from Muslims oppressing these people
here uh let's listen to the rabbi and
It's your thoughts
>> because the most powerful nations in the
world have to go down to their knees.
That's what happened to Egypt. That's
what's going to happen to America.
That's what's going to happen to
Germany. That's what's going to happen
to France. That's what's going to happen
to London, England. It's going to happen
to to uh to Poland. That's what's going
to happen to to Russia. That's what's
going to happen to China. That's what's
going to happen to North Korea. They're
all going to go down. They're all going
to go down to their knees, especially
the Western ones. The Zohar says that
they're going to go down hard for how
they treated us over the last 2,000
years for the destruction of the second
temple and how they treated us. Hashem's
going to take them down hard.
He's going to humiliate them and on the
world stage. Western countries as Edom,
I'll take that one. That's what I want
to see.
I don't want anyone to get hurt, but
you know, let's let's move things ahead
a little bit. So, of course, the world's
going crazy now. Things are going to be
speeding up a lot,
but we're almost there, guys. It's
happening. This is it. And so, yeah,
it's less ethnosentric.
I want you to imagine if that was a
local imam from your uh local
neighborhood talking about the takedown
of America, which uh I love my country.
I was born here. I want the best for it.
And I could never, you know, imagine
just, you know, obviously we don't agree
with the Epstein elites, you know, who
are destroying the the world and the
societies, not really caring for the the
average layman and the good of this
country. But why? And he said he
actually gave it away because how they
treated us, what they did to us in the
past. So obviously that we were we were
taking them in in we were taking them in
in Jerusalem. Uh so he's not talking
about the Muslims but somehow you got
Janeo Christian. What are your thoughts?
>> Well the the first thing I think of is
uh you know as you mentioned like
imagine if an imam is saying something
like that here. Uh it's not going to
happen. you know, we don't have that
culture of, you know, trying to like
we're not we don't have that culture of
trying to dominate other regions, you
know, for whatever strange uh esoteric
imagination that they have, you know. Uh
I'll give you an example. Like, so I'm
I'm I'm not American. I'm Canadian.
Actually, I'm seventh generation
Canadian. I've been, you know, my my
family's been here for seven generations
now. Uh and uh we're originally from
Scotland. And uh you know, that's my
mom's side. And you know, he's talking
about downfall of the West and people
being on their knees and whatever. You
know, like these are my people. I'm from
this land. Why? I'm not, you know, we're
not interested in uh trying to to bring
people down to their knees. We just want
righteousness. We want uh goodness for
the land. You know, I'll give you an
example. This whole Sharia boogeyman
that you're talking about, okay, let's
talk about Sharia. You know, one of the
aspects of Sharia we have is a beautiful
economic system. Now our economic system
it has some similarities with capitalism
except for two main things. One is that
we completely remove gambling right and
so this involves speculation and things
like that and I think everyone knows you
know the uh the disaster that gambling
is for our people. You know I I've been
in Las Vegas before uh specific for high
reasons. you know, I was uh dealing with
a software convention uh cuz uh I used
to work at a software company. And I
remember we're setting up the booth for
the trade show and we have to wake up
early in the morning at 6:00 a.m. And I
go downstairs from the hotel and you
have to walk through the the casino area
just to get out of the door and there's
people there. They're they're playing
the slots and they're so tired and
they've been there all night and you
know that this guy, he just lost his
house and this guy just lost his car and
this guy lost his wife or whatever.
These guys, they they've destroyed
themselves. So that's one thing that we
uh that we pro protect the people from.
The other thing is interest. Imagine the
absolute destruction that interest has
has caused us. You know us as a nation
uh you know essentially our rich are
getting richer and our poor are getting
poorer every year. You know this
disparity is increasing every year.
Everything is going so much more
expensive every year and it's all
because of the core issue which is
interest. So we're we're as a people
like these are the two main things that
our economic system changes in the quote
unquote shar this is to protect our
people and then they complain okay we
have to pay zakat zakat is you know
zakat is a way for the poor people to
get richer
is for the rich people to pay the poor
people and it's such a small amount um
compared to the you know the 40% income
tax we have to pay up here in Canada you
Uh this is what the Sharia boo is to
them. We're here to deal. We're here to
bring righteousness and we're here to
bring justice especially to those who
have never seen justice in their lives.
This is what our purpose is. You know,
we this is why we love our way of life.
We love our religion. We love Islam is
because it only calls for justice.
And so that that's what I see in in
this.
>> Couple things before we conclude. you um
you also you touch you touch upon and
that's why I really think people go and
watch some of these videos are really
amazing. You talk about uh how the Shi
the origins of Shia you you discussed
this in one of your videos
>> and this is also related to Iran right
now which obviously we're not fans of
this regime and whatnot but people get
confused Sunni Shia what's all this
about and then they lump everybody in
the same boat. Um let's touch upon that
and then another thing Benny is we're
not
>> okay so when we're dealing with the Shia
uh the origin of the Shia is actually
it's a political movement and so this
there was a dispute between uh two uh of
the great Sahaba we we love and cherish
both sides of them it was it was you
know to get into details one was named
Ali and the other one was named Mawya uh
and we see both of them in high regard
um but we see for example, you know, Ali
was more righteous than Muawia and you
know, generally speaking, we take his
side, you know, on things. But what
happened is that so but you had Shia
basically means like a political party,
right? So you had the Shia of Ali and
you had the Shia of Mawa, right? So it
was a political dispute, right? Just in
the same way that you you might have the
Shia of the Democrats and the Shia of
the Republicans, right? You have two
different political parties. And once
upon a time these political parties were
perfectly fine having political disputes
without you know trying to uh start a
civil war. Um and so uh eventually
though um uh you know there was uh down
the line uh the um there were some uh
theolog I could say some religious
movements that came out of the Shia of
Ali, right? And uh these kind of evolved
into uh they in a very similar way to
Christianity where they developed they
saw Ali as more uh divine than what he
was. Right? because we we cannot say
that you know we we want to even despite
how righteous Ali is we're not going to
equivalate him to God that this is uh
unjust uh we keep everybody in the
position just like uh we we say how
great Jesus was we don't say that he was
the son of God you know this is this is
elevating people to levels which are
unacceptable uh in the eyes of uh of God
um and so you had some religious
movements like this uh and over time you
know they developed in into many
different strands of of these religious
movements you had um fivers and 10 like
this I don't know how much detail you
want me to give into that
>> no you don't we could save that for
another because we're almost out of time
but just giving just like you did just a
kind of a b r rudimentary yeah
>> explanation yeah
>> yeah so so basically you you had these
theological differences so what what's
an example an example is that you know
uh some of them not all of them you know
one group for example would say that
that Ali has the ability to see the
unknown
you know and this we say in Islam that
this is only for God, only God can
>> only for the creator. Yeah.
>> Right. Uh you know, another group began
to say that he was God. You know,
another group is you know, so there's
there's some there's some things like
that. Now, uh uh Persia or modern day
Iran was um you know, it was the
standard sort of quote unquote orthodox
Islam for its first, you know, 600
years, let's say. Uh but about 500 years
ago, uh there was a an empire uh called
the Safavid Empire. And uh the first
man, his name was Shai Isma the first.
He forcefully converted his people to
Shiaism. And this is of course something
that we strongly condemn. Again, when
we're dealing with the issue of forced
conversions, uh this wasn't forced
conversions of Christians or something.
This was uh of our own local people.
This was an internal issue. And the
reason he did that was because of a
dispute he had with the Ottomans. He
didn't want the Ottomans to have any
sort of religious um you know uh um
effect on them or influence on them,
right? you want. And so we we strongly
condemn him. We strongly condemn his
actions. Uh and uh you know um many
people don't even consider him to be a
Muslim because he's outside of the fold
of Islam and but I'm not going to go
into that. That's for the scholars to
decide. So Iran has this this history of
um Shiaism since then. Um of course
there have been Shia before in Iran, but
they were always kind of like smaller
groups here and there that lived
peacefully with uh the Muslims. There
were even, by the way, there were uh
Shia dynasties even in u uh in Mecca and
Medina, you know, that there was a
ruling family uh that was quote unquote
Shia. Um you know, um long story short,
uh the issue that we have with Iran
today, it's an issue of are they
oppressing their people or not? You
know, are they forcing their religion on
their people or not? Are they uh
brutalizing their people or not? Are
they going and spreading uh corruption
in the lands or not? you know, and and
regardless of whatever religion they
are, if you have a people that are uh
that are oppressing their people or that
are oppressing the surrounding people or
they're oppressing anybody, we're
against this. We're against oppression
in general. It doesn't matter whether
they're quote unquote Shia or Sunni or
whatever. This this is irrelevant in in
uh in my humble understanding. Uh and in
general, the people of Iran uh we don't
have a general issue with the people of
Iran. people of Iran, you know, some of
them are Muslims, some of them are
Zarastrian, some of them are atheists,
some of them are whatever. It's the same
thing in Turkey. It's the same thing in
uh, you know, Canada. It's the same
thing in wherever. You know, we're
against oppression. We're against uh uh
in, you know, this sort of uh
intolerance and especially religious
intolerance and we're against people
that are taking rights away from other
people. That's that's it.
>> Very simple. What What about this uh
individual? it gets um you if you want
to touch upon that uh when this started
this Iban Sabah was it true that this
was an individual who faked faked being
Muslim to try to destroy Islam within
>> I'll be honest with you I don't believe
it like I he existed he existed I I
don't think he had the effect that
people think he had you know uh Shiaism
uh the theology of Shiaism developed
over hundreds of years after the death
of Hussein uh and ib was uh you know
came around the time of Ali
Abalibu if I'm if I'm not mistaken he
had his own small cult but I don't think
it I don't think it branched off into
what modern Shiaism is today. Uh I think
that's just um I think it's a little bit
of mythology if I'll be honest
>> and I think for just a layman I mean
this is what my personal experience when
you really get to know the pure
monotheism the toed then you can see
where people have deviated from it when
you start to give divine attributes that
are only for the creator to Jesus for
instance when you give it to even to
proph Muhammad or to a saint or to these
imams these attributes that only belong
to the creator then you start to see
where people have went off from the pure
absolute monotheism, the tohed and then
this is what our main bedrock our this
is what's eventually going to get us
into that paradise is holding firmly to
that.
>> Yeah. Exactly. And if you know the
disputes that we have with the the Shia
theology, it's just because we see that
you know uh you know of course there's
many groups but some of those groups
they've they've made the mistake that
the Christians have made as I mentioned
in that they've raised someone that is a
very high rank to the level of God which
is unacceptable. This is this is our
dispute. you know, you can't uh you
can't call somebody uh you know, uh uh
you can't say that someone is a son of
God or someone that is God because you
know uh we're people in the end. We're
the creation of Allah. We're the
creation of God. God has created us to
then go to God and say, "Oh, I'm going
to actually worship your creation
instead of you." This is this this is
against the rights of God that he has
over us.
>> Okay, we're out of time, but uh I think
I left off. Uh people can watch the
video at your channel. You talk about
the ben. Do you want to touch upon that
or we going to go leave that for another
time?
>> Uh yeah, just in short, Ben is these
were a Muslim people and you'll find
that the modern religion uh it it comes
from what's called rabbitical Judaism.
Rabbitical Judaism basically came around
200 years after Isaam. And so I I find
it a little bit strange to call the
people of Ben when Jew Judaism is
actually uh a much newer religion. I
consider it an a a sect of Islam. If we
consider that many Islam were Muslims uh
and um yeah that's essentially it you
know uh it's um it's a newer religion
than what people think uh and that's it.
Yeah,
>> let's help people understand for the not
yet Muslims, non-Muslims and others
because the first man, Adam, he was one
who submitted to the will of God. He was
a Muslim. And then those that came after
him, the prophets and messengers, they
were also calling their people to not
different religions to Christianity,
Judaism, they were calling their people
to submission to the will of God,
Islams, and they were Muslims. So those
at the time of Abraham, he wasn't a Jew
or Christian. He was a Muslim as Allah
says in the Quran. He was a Hanife, a
pure monotheist. and Moses, his
followers, those who submitted their
will to God, they were Muslim by
definition.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I mean,
>> but if someone, but someone just to push
back, if someone said, "Hold on, that
that word didn't exist." What would you
say?
>> Well, it's just a the word Muslim just
means someone that submits. It's an
adjective, you know. It's not like a
Christian comes from the word Christ or,
you know, what they used to call as
Muhammadan, which comes from the word
Muhammad. No, a Muslim is someone that
submits to God. Someone that uh you know
and and we've had uh Muslim nations
since the beginning of time. There have
always been nations that have submitted
their will to God and praise and and
worship God only as opposed to
worshiping a person or you know uh fire
or something else.
>> So just like a human that word human
today that word didn't exist at the time
of Jesus or Moses but they were human.
>> Yeah. I mean whatever language you want
to use there's always been a word for
human there's always been a word for
Muslim
>> and you had many of the ben and after
him whoever who when the truth came to
him even Christians
no who's was a Christian you had Abdam
and others who were sincere they weren't
arrogant they heard the message of Islam
so louder from crowder or anybody else
who's sincere who's listening now Jew or
Christian and they really uh
contemplate, ask the creator for
guidance. They can be like those they
who if they're really out for truth,
they'll see this as as the truth.
Islam's submission to the creator, not
the creation. Is that correct?
>> Yeah. I mean, look, my own mom, she was
Christian. Like, you know, she became
Muslim, you know, like this is a
standard part. You see people, they
think that this is strange. Every every
day I'm in the mosque, there's a new
person who's becoming Muslim. It's like
it's it's a standard part of our life.
People are becoming Muslim from every
walks of life. I have a friend from
Nepal. I have a friend from Greece. I
have a friend from whatever. are all
people that converted to Islam. Uh these
are people that just they left
worshiping other things and decided to
worship God only. They've they've
stopped worshiping money. They've
stopped worshiping uh people. They've
stopped worshiping fire. They've stopped
worshiping uh statues and they just
decided okay we're going to give God his
rights. We're going to worship God only.
So why would the Christian the academic
let's say at that time waka why would
the rabbis top academic rabbis at that
time the learned po learned people why
would they accept proph Muhammad as a
messenger in Islam why oh you'll find
that this is actually standard so
there's a huge difference between Islam
and and Christianity because we actually
have a strong connection with our
scholars Christians they don't have a
strong connection with their scholars
they don't know the names of their
scholars and and whatever the their
priests and popes are saying is not the
same thing that their scholars are
saying. Their scholars are saying that
the first generations of Christians uh
they were basically people that uh saw
Jesus as nothing more than a person, a
human uh and who uh you know uh was
essentially a messenger of God, a
prophet. Uh it's only you know uh you
have popes that are coming out and or or
priests that are coming out and saying
no this is not true or whatever. This is
because there's a huge disconnect in
Christianity between the scholarship and
the um uh and the uh and the priests at
your local church. The scholars of
Christianity uh you know uh it's not
even like it like mainstream Christian
scholarship says that for example James
the um um the supposed brother of Jesus.
>> Brother of Jesus.
>> Yeah. he was his follower and he was uh
you know he disagreed with Paul uh who
was saying that Jesus was u divine
essentially he didn't say the trinity at
that point the trinity came later on um
but um you know there was this discre
this dispute in the first generation but
the people that were closest to Jesus
according to modern mainstream Christian
scholarship Jesus was a person the first
generation believed he was a person the
people that surrounded him believed he
he was a person and they considered Paul
to be quote unquote their quote uh the
enemy because they saw that Paul was
bringing a new religion that didn't
exist.
>> Yeah. Wow. So people can go to uh Omar
of the Orient and check out some of your
videos. Is that uh that's the channel.
Thank you very much brother.
>> Yeah. Thank you so much. It has been a
pleasure.
>> We'll do it again.
>> Okay.