well we've had to sue the people who are
theoretically in charge of mi5 and mi6
William Hague and Theresa May but I want
to be clear that I don't believe for
example the William Hague is going
around telling lies about Shaq arama and
indeed i suspect although i want to give
them a chance for a fair trial i suspect
that mi6 aren't telling William Hague
what they're doing in the background
it's very important at this point to
challenge William Hague to talk to those
people at mi6 and have a very serious
conversation with them about exactly
what they have done and they make it
emphatically clear to the united states
that britain does not want to be
complicit in the criminal offence of
holding Shaq of without trial for all
this time I can't really speak for the
people who are holding schacher in terms
of why five years after his cleared for
release he's still there but I had my
strong suspicions because he's undergone
such awful treatment worse than pretty
much anyone else in Guantanamo there's
probably 15 different illnesses he
suffered he's worried that he's got
cancer and they haven't done the right
test for that he's got ulcers he's got
all sorts of intestinal problems he's
got problems with his head he's got
pregnant problems with his back where he
was beaten up I just goes on and on I've
seen you know some of the issues in his
fingers where his nails have rotted away
in a really horrible thing they don't
want him coming back to Britain to speak
loudly hear about what happened to him
they'd rather send him to Saudi Arabia
which what they'd like to do because
they could depend on their mates over in
Saudi to gag him and never let him talk
about the truth regardless of your
position on torture and it's very clear
to me that he's been tortured but we'll
leave that to the police to determine
but indefinite detention arbitrary
detention is another crime and there can
be nothing more arbitrary than whisking
schacher all the way around the world
Montana mobay and holding him there for
11 years no legal rights no nothing
effectively no trial no charges that's
arbitrary detention and that's clearly a
criminal offense to when I first went
down there back in 2004 when we'd
finally suit and got the right to get in
that one of the people there said or you
know a few lawyers and cysts on legal
rights for these people will just kill
him bizarrely that's what's now
happening to Obama because he opposes
Guantanamo has embraced the notion of
drones so now instead of detaining
people illegally in Guantanamo where
hopefully one day they'll get out we
just kill um targeted killing as they
call it assassinations I think the rest
of us quality and we're doing that all
on the same incredibly fluid
intelligence that results in at least
eighty five percent to the prisoners in
Guantanamo not being the extremists
terrorists that they were alleged to be
is there anything difficult about
representing someone in Guantanamo of
course there is there's nothing to
represent them with you know if they
would give us a fair trial and bring on
their evidence and do it all publicly it
would be so much fun because if you can
imagine shack is not allowed to know all
the stuff that's being alleged against
him I get to see it but I can't talk to
him about it I can't talk to you about
it I can't do anything about it because
it's classified um and that's immensely
frustrating and we battled to get some
of the truth out you know there's a
great debate on the Guantanamo suicides
about whether they're suicide or not ah
but schacher was in the same cellblock
as the first three guys who died and he
was going through exactly the same
mistreatment and indeed his evidence
about his mistreatment was crucial in
the whole discussion of their deaths and
Shaq is alive and they're not now
whether they were killed the weather a
suicide their death was was brought
about by the mistreatment I happen to
believe that they probably killed
themselves
an in Guantanamo you know you can get
beaten up if you don't give your plastic
spork back spoke as a mixture of a fork
and a spoon if you don't give that back
when ordered to you get beaten up by the
forcible cell extraction team and these
are people I've seen their uniforms and
everything they dress up in these black
Darth Vader outfits and six of them
burst into the guys sell and they pin
them down and beat him up and they do
this and I challenge anyone to deny that
that happens routinely in Guantanamo and
so this has been happening to shatter an
awful lot because I will say he's not
compliant no I don't know if you'd be
compliant if you were being held
illegally and if you were innocent
whether you'd think well I just want to
sit here and obey all the silly rules or
whether you'd say no I'm gonna rebel
while shackles a treble since Shaka has
never met his youngest child he hasn't
seen any of his children since they were
four or five years old as a parent and
can you imagine that um and he wasn't
even allowed to see pictures of them
until 2006 and indeed part of the
inhuman abuse was that his family had
sent pictures to Guantanamo and his
interrogators wouldn't let him see them
unless he'd agree to cooperate by which
they mean tell them what they want to
hear well I'm glad we got that
photograph out I didn't personally I'm
not sure how it came out frankly but i
like it i show Shaq of smiling and
that's the image he wants his children
to see he doesn't mind his children to
see the bruises he wants his kids to see
him smiling because he does smell more
now than they used to because he thinks
that people in Britain have been
beginning to remember his case you'd
care and he hopes to goodness that he'll
be out to see his four children soon as
much that people can do here you can go
to our website at reprieve
and you can get Jack as a dress and
write to him I mean the mere fact that
you write to them and express some sense
of support it will get through to them
eventually and then beyond that it's up
to your imagination they've been some
great people with the save shakka
campaign who have done really positive
things to help check jicama 70 of
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