We are witnessing what many would call
one of the greatest coverup scandals in
human history now coming out through
these Epstein files.
Some say it's only 2,700,000.
Others say it's 3 million. And if that's
the case, imagine what's in the
remaining 6,300,000.
We're hearing reports about materials
being delivered to Epstein. What
materials?
the cloth of the Cabba allegedly for the
purposes of black magic which we know
these people of the occult is the kind
of things that they're deeply involved
in. That's the reality. And they were
trying to desecrate
the religion of Islam. At the same time,
we're seeing him quoting the actual
Bible in these emails. And I'm left
wondering, why isn't the media talking
about this? Why aren't politicians
addressing this at the roundts? Where is
the consistency?
We know very well if Epstein were
Muslim, the whole world would be
condemning Islam. But because he's a
Zionist, everyone seems to be silent.
So, we'll be looking into the Bible
verses he's quoting that no one else is
talking about. We will be with no ill
intent purely for educational purposes
and a call out the double standards and
hypocrisy. We'll also look at this word
ba pagan god mentioned in the Epstein
files. Our guest will also be quoting
famous rabbis who spoke out that Muslims
actually saved the Jewish people from
Christian persecution. will also address
the greatest slander repeatedly thrown
at the prophet Muhammad peace and
blessings be upon him while at the same
time the top western leaders are now
being exposed by God Almighty through
these Epstein files. How ironic. We'll
get into Ezra that the Islam haters try
to disprove Islam with which actually
turns out to be a proof another proof
for the Quran
and we'll ask the question I'll be
asking is prophet Muhammad you see them
at the wailing wall see Muhammad
Muhammad Muhammad and they're repeating
Muhammad it's actually you can hear
Muhammad. Muhammad. Muhammad. Is he
actually in the Bible? Yes. All this is
much more. And again, we'll be
discussing the Bible and other religious
texts. And one thing I must make very
clear, my footing is one of love. I love
for humanity. what I love for myself.
There is no bad intent here. My guest
will also have a special message for
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>> Well, in 25 states there's no legal
minimum age for marriage. As in in half
of America, you can technically marry a
5-year-old.
>> Yes, she was 6 years old when she gave
birth to Solomon. She was six.
>> According to the Torah and according to
the Talmud, idol worshippers don't have
the right to live. A girl at the age of
14 can't be married according to
Catholic Church.
>> For the audience, just replace Ten
Commandments with the Sharia. There is
not a single prophecy about Christian
Jesus in the Bible. Zero. 95% of the
Gospel of Mark is in Matthew. It's not
up for serious debate. Rules for war.
And we're told not to burn down
churches, not to burn down
>> the word is there in the Arabic. It's
there. Whoever saves a life is he saved
all of mankind. So
>> after Isaam there was the Roman exile.
That is the longest most severe vow was
a false deity worshiped by the
Israelites. There are big massive
Christian apologists who are still
making contents that on the back end
have confessed to me that they don't
think Christianity is true. Were you
saying that again?
>> Alhamdulillah.
Welcome to the Dean Show and my special
guest here with me is the Orthodox
Muslim. Asalamikum, brother. How you
doing?
>> I'm good. How are you?
>> Good. How you doing, young brother?
How's everything with you?
>> I'm okay. Alhamdulillah. I'm just um you
know doing what I do usually, man. Um
pleasure to be here. I'm honored.
>> Nice to have you on the program. So,
let's get get right into it. Um, you're
somebody who's actually a specialist in
the Bible. You are somebody who's for
years, you've been dwelling deep. I
heard you've been somebody who's u been
been studying it. Is that correct?
>> Yeah. Alhamdulillah. I'm still a
student. Um, you know, there's always
more to learn, more to read up on. But
yeah, that's that's what I do. I my da
is usually uh mainly for Christians. It
would also be mainly for as well if
there was as many as there were
Christians. Unfortunately, there there
aren't. So, we don't come across uh
religious as often. But yeah, my da is
mainly for the people of the book.
>> Yeah. And you've had some uh interaction
and some dialogues, debates with also uh
people, a lot of Christian people at the
same time.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I've had u Yeah. I've had
many interactions with uh people, you
know, debates, dialogues with Christians
as well with a lot of the bigname
apologists that, you know, you see
online. Um, you know, I've had many
interactions with them. And, you know,
that's that's that's what my channel is
mainly about. Yeah. What we try to do
here is that we're never trying to
disparage on anybody's uh religion or
anybody. We we're trying to uh have
people think outside the box. A lot of
people are programmed and conditioned to
think a certain way and try to have
them, you know, step outside of that and
consider certain things and to deliver
what we what we know is the truth from
the creator based on proof and evidence.
And now it's nice to see that you are
also in that line. you're you're um
having um and we'll go a little bit deep
deeper on some of the the debates that
you've had but particularly now what I
want to do is just call out some of the
hypocrisy and call people to be
persistent because you know if anybody
Mo Muhammad Aisha whoever if somebody uh
has an Arabic name if somebody is
connected to Islam in any which way not
even practicing maybe has a mental
illness whatever the case you know but
if they see any kind of chance to
connect Islam to it somehow if Like for
example, what we're seeing in the the
news media, this Epstein, Jeffrey
Epstein, nobody's talking about his
religion. Nobody's talking about what I
wanted to ask you first and foremost is
why is he quoting the Bible? So, I'm
going to show some for our viewers these
particular verses and get your
perspective. Why do you think this is
so? And what do you think uh would have
happened if he was uh quoting Quran
verses? So this is the this is what uh
the verses I'm talking about in
particular here. This is from Jeffrey
Epstein. Have you heard much talk about
this on the news?
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's all over the place
nowadays. Yeah. I've seen I've seen this
specific email on my feed on X. I've
seen others as well.
>> But have you but have you but have you
heard them unpackaging this? Have you
heard them talking about why he's
quoting verses? Have you heard that? I
haven't.
>> No. No. No, I haven't. No, no, nobody
really mentions his um from what I've
seen at least, nobody really mentions
his um or religious affiliation or you
know his affiliation with the Talmud or
the Torah or the Tanakh really, but
clearly it's um it's a part of his life
as we we could see on the email. U there
must be a reason why he's quoting these
verses and I I imagine why he's quoting
these specific passages. Yeah,
>> let's go through them. So you have
Ezekiel 9:6, then you have Isaiah. Are
you familiar with all of these verses?
>> Yeah. So uh all these so all these
passages are specific passages where um
the children of Israel are commanded to
basically unal alive um woman children
men and you know there is instances in 1
Samuel where you know even the cattle
and the sheep are commanded to be unal
alive. Nobody is allowed to live. Now uh
to be honest with you, yes, as um as a
general rule, uh given in the Torah that
you know when you lay siege to a city
that generally you should keep the woman
and children alive. But there are
instances where it's a direct command
from God where women, children,
everybody is to be put to death. And a
prime example would be like I said 1 uh
Samuel 15 uh where the Israelites are
commanded to attack the Amalachites. Now
who are the Amalachites? The Amalachites
are a people group that had uh attacked
and bothered the Israelites on their way
out of Egypt during the Exodus. And so
several hundred years later when Israel
is now established, they have an army
and so on and so forth. Uh in 1 Samuel,
God commands the Israelites to go and
attack the Amalachites and utterly
destroy them and don't and not to let
anybody live. Put men, women, sheep,
cattle, infants, donkeys, you name it.
Okay? Uh as a specific judgment for the
Amalachites. And that's why you see uh
you know Zionists today um call maybe
Palestinians Amalik. I don't know if
you've seen that before. Yeah,
>> they are. This is this is what they're
referring to, right? The Amalachites are
one of the fiercest enemies of Israelite
history. And so when they call the
Palestinians Malik or they call somebody
else Malik, this is what they're
referring to, utterly smite them and
destroy them. You have instances also in
Numbers 31 where um Moses allegedly
takes a thousand men from each tribe of
Israel. I don't think numbers is on
here, but it's it's within the same
context, same thing. Um, Moses takes a
thousand men from each tribe of Israel.
So, there's 12 tribes, 12,000 men. Uh,
and he tells them, "Listen, here are the
Midianites. The Midionite woman had
seduced the Israelite men. So, as a
payback, you are to go attack them,
utterly destroy them. Don't let anybody
live. Don't let anybody live." And so
they go, they do their thing, but they
let live women, little girls, and little
boys. So Moses gets upset. He's like, "I
told you to unal alive everybody. What
are you doing?" And so they're like, "Oh
yeah, well, you know, these these people
uh you know, we kept them alive." And so
in verse 17, he says, "The little boys
kill them. Kill the little boys. The
women
>> This is from the You're talking You're
quoting the Bible from the Torah. The
Torah. Yes. The book of Numbers.
>> The f first five books of the
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So the little boys,
Moses says, "Kill them all. The women
who have slept with a man, so nonvirgin
woman, no need for them. Kill them as
well. But the little girls, the woman
children, right?" And it says this
specifically in in English translation,
the woman children. The Hebrew is very
clear. The little girls keep who have
not slept with a man. So virgin little
girls keep alive for yourselves.
Okay? When it says for yourselves in the
Hebrew Bible regarding woman, it's
always in reference to marital and
sexual relations without a single
exception. Okay? And many uh scholars
many and you know the rabbitic
commentaries make this very clear. Um
Hebraic scholars critical scholars make
this very clear that uh by the way the
root there for for yourselves literally
means it's the root there is to devour
or to eat. So literally for you to
devour the virgin little girls. So you
know from these passages you see that
where these ideas come from you know uh
the passages that you show showed on
screen the passages that I mentioned
right uh I also mentioned one more in in
the psalms the psalmist um is reflecting
upon the destruction done to the
Israelites and about how the enemies are
ruthless enemies and he he's asking God
for revenge and he says in revenge he
says says, "Blessed is the one who
smashes the enemy's
heads against the rocks." Blessed is
such a person, such a person who smashes
the children of the enemies, their
against the stones, against the rocks.
Such a person is blessed. He's doing
blessed praiseworthy.
>> You're still quot You're still quoting
the No.
always quoting the
>> I mean this could be very this could be
very very this could be very very
disturbing now for some people in
Christians and again I'm not this is not
uh I'm sure it's not your also intention
to try to um you know um just uh
disparage on someone's religion but I
think you're pointing out these fact I
mean it's interesting you know the Islam
haters love to attack Islam I don't here
you're just pointing out here some of
these uh some of these verses uh but how
do you connect it now what do you think
is is he because we know that Jeffrey
Epstein when you're reading he was the
supremacist you know he he believed when
you go through these um emails that
people were the superior race the goyam
were low IQ and now he's he's got um you
know volumes of um the Talmud there that
you can see he's reading and now you're
reading these verses he's reading them
also do you think somebody you know can
take what you're talking about and these
are goyam and now justify to himself to
be committing such ego. What do you
think? How do you interpret that and put
it you know trying to see from what you
know and
>> and what we're seeing?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So so yeah I mean I listen I
I could see how if somebody is if he's
as you described cuz I like I said it
just shows up on my feed. I don't I
haven't really looked too much into it,
but if somebody is reading the Talmud
and is aware of these passages in the
Torah, in the Hebrew Bible, the Tan,
then I could I could see how somebody
could justify the actions that he's
allegedly doing or do whatever that he
was exposed uh doing in the files. Okay?
For example, the Talmud makes it very
clear and you know, rabbis will tell you
this. This is not some kind of like
hidden hidden secret uh Muslim
propaganda. Uh according to the Torah
and according to the Talmud, idol
worshippers
don't have the right to live. Goyam
that are idol.
>> What does for people hearing that for
first time a Christian just you know any
person hears that Goyam what does that
mean?
>> So the the term [\h__\h] means gentile.
Gentile
>> goyam means gentiles or nations. So the
Hebrew uses this term, right, to refer
to cuz it has a vague meaning and a
specific usage, conventional usage that
the have started using over over time,
right? The word in Hebrew just means
nation or nations, right? Or gentile,
right? But have used this term
historically to refer to outsiders.
Anybody who's a non is a [\h__\h] the nonam,
right? So that that's what it is. And
according to the Talmud and according to
specific uh uh passage in Torah as well,
idol worshippers must be destroyed. They
don't have the right to live.
Okay? And this is in the Talmud. You
find it everywhere. Uh the Talmud
teaches that um you know you you could
mistreat
uh goyam
you could mistreat Gentiles
um you don't have to pay them on time uh
you can um you know if you you know you
could uh take from them and not return
all all kinds of thing you could uh and
you know this is pretty popular and
pretty well known that for an Israelite
you can't charge interest for a
non-Israelite a [\h__\h] you can charge
interest you could charge userie okay
and uh and an example in Leviticus as
well
uh for an Israelite slave cuz everybody
knows slavery in the Bible but you know
the the the response is well you know
the slavery is uh it's just indentured
uh servitude it's just you know paying
off your debt and So you work for
somebody that that's only a partial
truth, right? So for Israelite slaves,
right, or slaves,
uh you treat them nicely, they pay off
their debt and you let them go. For
goyam,
you are to own them forever, right? And
you could mistreat them. This is in
Leviticus. Oh, we don't even need to go
to any commentary or you know Talmud or
anything.
>> This is in Leviticus in Leviticus the
Old Testament,
>> right? You could it it specifically says
for your fellow Israelite brother,
he's a slave. He pays off his debt. You
let him go. You don't mistreat him. But
for the non-Israelite,
you can mistreat him. This is an
inference straightly straight from the
text. Okay.
>> Now, now tell me this. I want I want to
be fair across the board cuz I you know
we hate when someone takes the Quran
cherrypicks and calls things out of
context. Uh if someone's like, "Hold on,
you're you're you're doing uh you're
misquing the you're putting it out of
context." I mean, uh how would you
respond?
>> Well, uh I respond by just read.
>> Just just read. That's all. I'm not
telling you anything from my own. I'm
not giving you an interpretation. This
is something clear in the text and
anybody knowledgeable can't deny it. And
if they deny it, they're just being
dishonest.
>> Okay? So, if you think that I'm reading
things out of context, call me out for
it. We'll see about it. Right? Or maybe
catch me on one of my live streams and
oh, you you were on the Dean show and
you said this is true or that's true and
you're wrong. Okay? You could come and
I'm going to show you how. No, I'm not
I'm not taking anything out of context.
I'm just telling you what it is. And I I
I'm I'm being honest. Like for example,
when we're talking about women and
children, does the Torah say you could
um you know uh unequivocally just unal
alive women and children? No. A general
rule is no. You you don't do that. And
that's in Deuteronomy 21 or was it
Deuteronomy 20? So I I I forget exactly.
But uh it gives you the the law for
laying siege to a city. When you lay
siege to a city, you give it options.
Either
um they worship God and they become
believers not but they become Noahides
as Mymones mentions. Mymonity is a pr
prolific rabbi. He's called the second
Moses. U he has you know his mishnet
Torah. So anyways he he says that when
the lay a siege on a city on commentary
in his commentary on the deuteronomy law
either the people in there they become
believers noahhides so they stop
idolatry they follow the nohad laws and
they pay tax
they pay can you believe it even when
they become believers they have to pay
jiza
in the
>> repeat repeat that again because we have
a lot of Islam haters always bring this
up. So you're saying now rewind that uh
who who has to pay to the this is to the
um to the Israelites you have to pay the
tax.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So you know how uh where
Islam is criticized for it's jiza right?
Oh Islam takes jiza and you guys attack
a city and you give it options according
to Islamic law. Right? So in Islam when
you lay siege to a city you first offer
it peace. first offer at peace that they
accept Islam they become Muslim and they
don't pay jiza they become fellow Muslim
brothers right
>> fellow submitters to God fellow
submitters to God worshiping only the
creator pure monotheism
>> exactly right and everything is good if
they reject and the conditions are met
because you don't just go and do that
anywhere that's not how it works and the
conditions are met then if you lay
sieged to to this nation or empire or
city, right? You go to war and you don't
unal alive the women and the children
and um and so on and so forth. So we you
know that there is the specific rules
for war and we're told not to burn down
churches, not to burn down synagogues,
places of worship, not to harm uh uh
elders or you know older people, monks,
religious scholars, rabbis, so on so
forth. Okay. It's very humane
war. Very humane. Right. There's
conditions. It's not just savagery.
Right. So this is Islam. Okay. Now
um and and and they have the option to
pay jiza. By the way, I forgot to
mention in Islam they have to the option
to pay jiza that okay don't become
Muslim but you pay jiza. You pay a tax.
Okay. And we give you our protection.
You don't have to go and fight uh when
somebody invades. You have your your own
uh rights. You have your, you know, if
you're a Christian, then you have a you
if you know, you can go to court under
Christian law. If you're a go to uh
court under law, right? Uh and in most
cases, the jiza is cheaper. It's
significantly lower than uh what Muslims
pay for zak yearly. Okay? And you know
Christian historically Christians in
have preferred preferred living under
Muslims. This is undeniable right?
There's independent attestation from
Christians and undeniable. So this is
Islam. Now let's compare that with what
the Torah says. Okay. In Deuteronomy
uh Allah has given that when you lay
siege to a city
you also give them the option to what?
to become noahhides to become believers,
right? Believe in one god, no idolatry
and the the other laws, you know, no
meat, sacrifice to idols, strangled
meat, blood, so on and so forth. Okay?
Sexual immorality. Stay away from that.
You're good to go. But even if they
accept this, they still have to pay
jiza.
They still have to pay a tax, a tribute
to the Israelites.
Even then, can you believe it? Right? If
they don't want to become Noahites, then
they are destroyed.
You go in, you unalive all the
combatants and you leave the women and
children alive as slaves.
So, you don't just leave them alive. The
woman and children are alive but they
become your plunder as the text says.
Okay. And we see that actually Joshua
applies Jiza in the book of Joshua. Even
if you go to the uh Arabic translation
of the Bible, you'll see that Joshua
took
he took
the word
is there in Arabic. The word the word is
there in the Arabic. It's there.
>> Yes. So it says that Joshua
Joshua took Jiza tribute from the
Canaanites.
Okay. So this this is not something oh
Islam evil this and that. No. Islam is
humane. It regulates this. While the
Torah is much harsher. It's it's much
harsher. Do do you think that um when
you look at
we know that previous scriptures much of
it was changed tamper with if you look
at what you're comparing to unaliving
women taking out donkeys everything you
know compare that to chapter 5:32 in the
Quran where uh the creator God almighty
Allah is saying I have decreed upon the
children of Israel that whoever unales a
soul unless for corrupt corruption in
the land is that it's as if he's had
slain all of mankind. Whoever saves a
life is he saved all of mankind. So
Allah the creator is talking to them
those people at that time isn't he? So
um some people I've asked and discussed
what is your um take on it is that these
things that are giving permission to
basically do like the Amalcch you know
to just basically do a
can we say that and would you agree or
your interpretation of it that these are
part point parts where they change the
text to go ahead and to give them
justification to do some of these
things. What do you think?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I I agree with
you. You think so? Um I uh 100% Allah
subhanana wa ta'ala is the most just
>> and when we say he's just right
there must be a meaningful expression of
what that means right so justice isn't
just okay whatever God says is right is
right whatever God says is wrong is
wrong because then justice collapses
into it's meaningless anymore if God
says you take these and you know crush
them all and make them into like meat
paste. Well, we know that's logically
impossible for God because it's
contradictory to his justice. Why?
Because we have a prior primitive innate
notion of what justice is. So just on
those grounds, we know that Allah
subhana wa ta'ala would never and it is
contradictory to his attributes to
command the innocent
the
of anybody right when Allah commands
warfare right people confuse
in certain situations with okay
isn't Allah can't uh uh command killing
innocent people because it contradicts
his justice and his attributes right for
for people who believe in the Torah
think that it's fully preserved the word
of God, they really they really can't
show how God can express justice in a
meaningful way because for them if God
commands us to turn kids into meat paste
and unal alive women and children, yeah,
then that's fine because God said so,
right? But it doesn't work like that.
We're not divine command theorists,
right? It does that's not that's not how
it works. So yes, unfortunately it's
undeniable
it the Torah teaches Gen
>> as as it is today. Moving on with this
uh this this um pagan god B A L bell
that's bal
>> can you tell us more about this and this
is also connected to this occult to this
Jeffrey Epstein and then also we have
him trying to get the or getting the
material from the Cabba we got black
magic we got bal bal
>> you know all of this uh happening what
is your interpretation of all that
knowing the the the Quran putting it all
together. Some people say, "Look, this
is a truth. Now you can derive that this
is another truth." We have evidence upon
evidence that the Quran is from the
creator. But now that these devils
obviously doing some of the most evil,
despicable, I mean, just
uh things that are just, you know, uh
out of this world. And then you they're
also now trying to get pieces of the
Quran. You know what what do these evil
people do? They try to desecrate the
word of God of the Quran. Now they're
trying to take something this material
to you know do these sacriiggious things
these um these evil you know trying to
do black magic and whatnot. How do you
interpret all this from what you know?
>> So uh Bal is a false Canaanite deity
>> um is one of the you know because the
Canaanites have many gods. They have
like a hierarchy of gods the Canaanite
pantheon. So you have L who's the high
god and then you have the sons of L the
sons of the high god they're also the
lower tier gods right just under
>> and bal is one of them all right is a
deity that the Israelites
worshiped beside Allah in different
stages
>> the Israelites
>> the Israelites worshiped bal beside
Allah now the Quran itself attests to
this Allah subhana wa ta'ala mentions
that I believe in the time of Elijah
in the northern kingdom of Israel cuz
Israel separated that. So there was a
Davidic dynasty
and that was passed on to Solomon.
Solomon made it stronger, grew the land
right after Solomon,
Israel divided into the northern kingdom
and the southern kingdom of Judah. So
now you had two Israelite kingdoms.
Okay. During this time
u and Allah subhana t he sent prophets
to both kingdoms. So some prophets were
sent to the north and some prophets were
sent to the south. Some prophets sent to
the north um you know in the Bible or
Hosea and and others and some to the
south like Isaiah and and so on and so
forth. So you know in different stages
of Israelite history because the
Israelites as so this is not the
orthodox Muslim that's haten. No the God
in the Torah describes the Israelites as
a stiff necked people.
>> This is not the orthodox Muslim being
anti-semitic.
>> That that's what I want to ask you. Does
your religion Islam teach you to hate?
Are you saying this stuff because you is
your word?
>> I don't. No. So I I'm not saying this
out of hatred or out of
>> Didn't Muslim didn't didn't Muslims save
the when they were being persecuted by
Christians? Didn't they run to Muslim
lands?
>> As as as a matter of fact, and this is
one of my favorite subjects, and we'll
get back to Bal after this. Uh
you know, in in the Torah, it is it is a
common theme in the Tanakh. It's a
common theme that there will come
somebody, a messenger of God, which is
how I argue for the prophet Muhammad
wasallam's prophethhood. But it's a
common theme that God will come and save
the Israelites out of their oppression
and out of their exile.
The Israelites went into how many
exiles?
Well, three exiles. There is the exile.
Well, not exile but captivity. The one
in uh Egypt. Okay. So, they were captive
in Egypt. God saved them. Exodus, right?
Then after the split, north northern
kingdom, southern kingdom. They
worshiped Ba. They denied God. They
unalived his messengers. Killed his
messengers. God had enough. And he sent
the Babylonians
to them. And the Babylonians absolutely
absorbed the whole entire region, the
whole kingdom, both kingdoms. All right?
And they destroyed the temple. So
Solomon's temple, they destroyed it and
they took the Israelites into captivity
for 70 years. Okay? Then
after Isaam,
there was the Roman exile. That is the
longest most severe exile for 500 years.
In 70 AD, the temple was destroyed. Then
in the 130s, there was what what was
known as the Barba revolt. The Barba
revolt. He's a a guy who claimed to be
the Messiah. A lot of the prolific
Talmudic rabbis supported him like Rabbi
Aka. He said that, "Oh yeah, this guy is
the Messiah." They supported him. They
established an independent state for two
years. After that, they were wrecked by
the Romans, destroyed. Barba, the false
messiah was beheaded. Right now, and
then they were sent into exile. They
were sent into exile for 500 years. Now,
guess who comes and saves them from
their longest, worst exile?
It is none other than the Muslims.
Wow.
>> Under the institution of the prophet
Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam when
Omar Kab
walks into Jerusalem takes it from the
biggest empires of the world
and guess what it's it mention we have
it's not we have Muslim attestation but
we have
commentaries
historical attestation kite rabbitic all
attesting
Like an example, Salman bin he says in
the 10th century in the 900s in his
commentary on Psalm 30 he says and I'm
paraphrasing that the Romans the wicked
Romans in sent of Israel into captivity
for 500 years and they used the temple
ground as a menstal as as a as a as as a
as a trash dump and they threw their
menstrual rags
on that temple ground for 500 years. And
if anybody was a Jew in the city and was
recognized as a he would be killed on
the spot. But then he says by the mercy
of the God of Israel,
God rose up the children of Ishmael who
were victorious against the Romans. And
for the first time in 500 years, Israel
was allowed to come and live peacefully
from the four corners of the earth.
>> But somehow you Yeah. Go ahead and
finish.
>> Yeah,
>> I was just going to mention the other uh
historical attestations mentioned that
Omarbd himself after he took control
Jerusalem invited 70 families from
Tiberius to come and to live and the
were finally allowed to come. This is
not Muslims saying it. If you want the
source, there's a book called The
History of Palestine by a called Moshe
Gil
Dorian.
In this book, page 69, page 70, he
mentions all of what I'm saying. This is
not Muslim propaganda. This is what
are saying contemporary,
historic, 7th century, 8th century, 9th
century, 10th century. This is what
they're saying. So it's the Muslims that
saved them. And this is not the first
time. They saved them over and over and
over and over and over again
>> over and over and over and over again.
But how do you from over and over and
over again get Judeo-Christian?
>> How do you get Judeo-Christian?
Uh, and now you have them demonizing
Muslims, running campaigns, you know, to
uh, spread all of this misinformation
about Islam when actually if it wasn't
for the Muslims, I mean, where where
would they be at? 500 years you're
talking about, this is a rabbi you just
quoted who's talking about all the
defile, evil things that was done to
them. But then he's quoting now, you're
quoting this rabbi. What's the rabbi's
name?
So this uh he's a carite.
It's a sect of Judaism from the 10th
century. He's he lived in the 10th
century. So in the 900s in his
commentary on Psalm 30, he mentions what
I said and he's not the only one. There
are many. I just mentioned one because I
I I don't want to ramble on too long,
but I gave the source for every anybody
interested. uh history of Palestine
Moshe Gil pages 69 Moshe Gil he's a
historian pages 69 70 and 71 all of it
were there this is well attested this is
not a Jew Muslim conspiracy this well
attested and even in the Talmud we have
passages where rabbis say that look look
God raised up the kingdom of Ishmael to
save us he raised up our cousins to save
us that if it hadn't for them then the
Romans would have continued defiling the
temple, continued defiling God,
continued defiling his holy place.
>> Wow. Yeah. You were talking about Bao,
so we got sidetracked. Go back to Bao
and then Yeah.
>> And connecting that now with what's uh
Epstein and then the black magic and the
the Cabba putting all this together.
What do you think?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I think it's Well, did he
have like a Cuz I don't know too much.
Did he have like a Baal statue there or
something or like did he worship Ba?
>> His his bank account was named Ba. He
had a bank account which money would go
into and then that was one of the things
that he named his account Ba.
>> Interesting. Yeah. Bal is um uh yeah Bal
is a is a demonic false deity um often
associated with those who do black magic
who are into sketchy demonic satanic
rituals and yes ba was a false deity
worshiped by the Israelites alongside
Allah Allah himself subhanahu wa ta'ala
rebukes them for such a despicable
disgusting act of shik over and over and
over again. No matter how many
messengers he sent them, they denied the
messengers of God. And you know, the
most uh famous story associated with
this is the prophet Elijah and the
prophet Elisha. Both of them, they were
sent to the children of Israel to call
them back to the worship of the one true
God, to call them back to Allah. But
they denied him. They persecuted him.
>> To to call him back to Islam.
>> To call them back to Islam. Exactly. And
they denied him. They persecuted him. He
had to run away. He had to run away and
leave. They were chasing him down. Why?
Because he told them, "Don't worship the
false deity Bal."
>> Wow.
>> But their hearts were hardened. And as
the Torah mentions, they are a stiff
necked people. Again, not my words.
Don't get mad at me. Don't get mad. Clip
this later. Oh, the Orthodox, Muslim,
Anti. Nope. This is not You're quoting
the
>> I'm just quoting what it says. It over
and over again says,
"You guys kill the prophets. You kill
the messengers. You kill my prophets.
You mistreat them and you are a stiff
necked, stubborn people and I'm going to
punish you because you just keep
breaking my covenant. This is in
Jeremiah. This is in Ezekiel. This is in
Hosea.
God calls Yeah. In Hosea, uh God calls
uh Israel a prostitute. is imagery here
where God is in a a marriage contract
with Israel because he gave them a
covenant and they are to be faithful to
the covenant as a wife is faithful to
her husband. So that's the imagery,
right? Be faithful to me like a wife is
should be faithful to her husband and
not and as a wife shouldn't sleep around
or cheat on her husband. But he says you
guys sleep around meaning you worship
bells. You worship idols. You sleep
around. You're a prostitute. This this
is how the Bible God in the Bible
describes Israel as a prostitute who
sleeps around stiff necked, stubborn,
and who just can't keep God's covenant.
And they themselves admit, yes, weak the
prophets. They we they admit it because
it's in the it's in the Tanakh. They
cannot admit it. The prophet Nehemiah
says they killed the prophets. Uh
Jeremiah, they tried to kill him.
Isaiah, they they literally split him in
half.
>> Wow.
>> The prophet Isaiah, they split him in
half. Right. There is a righteous a
righteous man caller to to God. His name
was Zachariah.
Not the prophet Zechariah. Different
Zachariah or Zachchariah. He was a he
was a priest. And he was calling the
children of Israel back to the worship
of Allahhana.
And they killed him. And it comes in a
story. They killed him on the temple
grounds.
>> It comes in in a story that his blood
was boiling for the next hundred years.
This is in the Talmud. This is attested.
This is acknowledged by the rabbis. They
killed him and his blood was boiling for
a hundred years because of the anger of
Allahh against them. Okay. So, there is
a pattern
established in the Tanakh. These people
are stiff- necked people according to
God, not me. Don't don't get mad at me.
And over and over and over and over and
over again, they keep breaking God's
commandments and covenants. And it's no
different today. And I want to go ahead
and extend an invitation if somebody
would like to as a rabbi or somebody who
would like to come on and discuss these
things. you'd be open to uh come back
and have a discussion if it be with a a
uh someone of higher learning.
>> Absolutely. If if anybody wants to come
discuss does the Torah allow what I said
it allows. Does it allow unalivir?
Anything. Does it say this and that
about the goyam? I am I'm down. I'm
ready to come back. Uh I could argue in
good faith and you know there's no
there's no animosity. I'm just quoting
you what it says.
>> I think these are these are for
educational purposes. Uh and I think
it's also goes back to consistency
because you'll see, you know, the uh
Christians, many others who like to
dissect the Quran and put things out of
context, not come to credible sources to
people. But now, just be fair. Now, we
can go ahead and if we're going to
scrutinize the Quran, let's scrutinize
other religious texts and have a fair,
balanced discussion.
>> Yeah.
>> Let's move on. I got a lot of questions
to ask you. I want to I want to get your
reaction also to this. Um it's one thing
coming to ask questions to learn
sincerely, but I'm sure you see a lot of
this uh people uh not really asking
questions out of sincerity, but just uh
asking questions to insult.
I'm sure you've noticed this. And this
is probably one of the the things that's
probably I would say on the top of the
food chain that the attacks against
Prophet Muhammad Islam. So I want to
show you this video. It's very very
interesting and then we could take it
from there. Sure.
>> If I were to tell you that in one
particular country tens of thousands of
children were getting married in any
given year, what country first springs
to mind? I asked this question to a few
people around the office. You know, just
to get a bit of a vibe.
>> Afghanistan,
>> India,
>> Russia,
>> Nigeria. Yeah. No, everyone who works
here is an idiot.
>> Hey,
>> it's actually the United States.
>> More than 200,000 children married in
the US over the last 15 years. 207468
to be exact. And that is without data
from seven states, including California.
Well, in 25 states, there's no legal
minimum age for marriage. As in, in half
of America, you can technically marry a
5-year-old. Now, there are barriers. Of
course, you must have parental consent
and or the approval of a judge. Uh, not
going to happen in the case of a
5-year-old, but it did happen in the
cases of 10-year-olds. And because of
these exceptions, it happens even in the
states where the minimum legal age for
marriage is 18. And yet, thousands of
American children are being allowed by
US judges, mind you, to marry before
they can legally consent to having sex.
And child brides tend to be poor, rural,
and religious, and not necessarily of
the Muslim variety, if that's what
you're thinking. The highest numbers are
in the southern states as well as Idaho,
Utah, and Arizona. Even in the land of
the free, you props shouldn't be that
free that you can marry a 10-year-old.
>> Your thoughts?
>> Yeah, I'm not I already knew about this.
I'm I'm not surprised. Like I said, this
um child marriage is very popular in the
United States. people don't know because
they just assume that you know well you
know the uh the you know the age of
consent is 18 then you know uh but
really no it's it goes beyond that
because uh in a lot of states just as
that woman said in the video if you have
parental consent you have a you have you
know approval from a judge you can marry
a minor all right and this this happens
very often especially in tight-knit
religious communities
um like uh you know you know very
practicing Christians and so on and so
forth that you know hold to traditional
values tight-knit communities there's
many of them in the states yeah this is
a very common practice
is this probably the uh is this one of
the top the talk top attacks that you
get uh when you're talking to um in your
debates and with Christians that they
bring this up quite often trying to uh
is attack and slander the last and final
messenger sent to mankind prophet
Muhammad.
>> Yeah. So when it comes to Islam and
critiquing it, there aren't really any
good criticism against Islam. There
there's there's no arguments
theologically to give historically
because all of them fall short under
uh criticism, right? Or counter
criticism, right?
Now why is this argument so popular uh
the age of
well it's popular because it appeals to
the masses
not just in the west but even in the
east okay because
u marriage that took place 1400 years
ago has shifted that people don't do
that anymore people don't you know it's
not something common anymore right and
it's something that's seen as um kind of
uh not uh a normal practice in today's
society, right? And so when somebody
finds out, oh, you know, the prophet
Muhammad married Aisha at this age and
that age, there's a shock factor and it
appeals to the masses and this is the
big gotcha. Right? Now, here's the issue
with that. Okay? The issue with that is
if a Christian and a specifically I'm
talking about these groups
this criticism
is not grounded
in any biblical principle.
So how could how could this be an
argument from
a Christian paradigm or a Jewish
paradigm if it's not grounded by a
biblical principle? What do I mean by
that? Okay. Well, Lubiano, what are you
talking about, man? What What What are
you talking about? Grounded principle?
I'll tell you. Okay.
Is there anything
in the Bible
or in the Talmud that prohibits somebody
marrying at puberty or after they hit
puberty? Meaning the conditions of
marriage ability are there.
No. Okay. There isn't. Okay. As a matter
of fact, and this is, you know, it's a
bit harder to speak to Christians about
this, but for it's very easy. It's the
Talmud is filled with these traditions.
For example, there's a tradition in the
Talmud that
uh David, he his wife was one of his
wives Beth Sheba. We know about the
popular story, right?
And uh when before she gave birth to
Solomon,
okay, it mentions in the tradition,
she was 6 years old.
I bet you didn't know that. And many
people don't know that. Okay. But
>> who who was 6 years old?
>> Beth Sheeba.
>> Basheba.
>> Beth Sheba.
>> Bashiba. Yeah. The the one that uh David
he went and unalived his general for.
>> Yes. She was 6 years old.
>> So before she gave birth to Solomon, she
was six.
>> Mhm.
>> Or or when she gave birth to Solomon,
sorry. She was six. This is in the Talm.
This is a Talmudic tradition. And we
also know about the popular Talmudic
tradition. And to be honest, because we
we don't misquote things. It's there's a
difference of opinion. So some rabbis
have said that Rebecca was three. Some
rabbis have said that she was older than
that and rejected that view. So there is
a difference of opinion there. And I'll
say that because I'm not quote mining or
distorting information, right? This is
the truth. Okay? Now
it's
my point is there's no biblical grounds
to say that somebody can't be married
before maturity, before puberty. And
that's what Islam teaches. Islam teaches
that as long as these marriageability
conditions are met and this is true in
the Maliki school, the Hanafi school and
the Shafi school that as long as these
marriageability conditions are met and
she's physically mature and she's ready,
right, then she could be married. And
that's what I imi says in his commentary
on the hadith of Aisha's age. Okay. So
that's very clear. All right, there's
very simple, very straightforward. Now,
if a Christian wants to argue against
this, we ask, well, what is the biblical
basis and grounds
um for your argument, right? That if you
don't think that a woman um can be
married at puberty, then where do you
where is that grounded? And really, they
won't have an answer. There is no
answer.
For example, the Catholic Church allows
marriage with girls as young as 14.
That's now
today a girl at the age of 14 can be
married according to Catholic Church.
But before
before
>> before
>> it was 12. That was the age set for
girls. Thomas Aquinus speaks about this
in his suma
because the suma it's a work from Thomas
Aquinus where he basically lists
objections,
questions, objections and then an answer
to each objection. That's how it's set
up. Okay, that's Thomas Aquinus. By the
way, for those who don't know Thomas
Aquinus, Thomas Aquinus is called the
doctor or one of the doctors of the
Catholic Church.
He is huge and his status is massive.
I mean they almost see this guy as a
prophet almost. Of course they don't say
that but that's how much they rever him.
Right? So he's the brains right? So
Thomas Aquinus says that
if a girl
isn't 12 but all of the conditions of
marriage are in this girl everything
required by natural law by the fra right
is in this girl all the conditions are
found then it's okay for her to be
married rather the age 12 is a general
rule but if somebody is before 12 and
they have reached um and they have all
these conditions then she can be
married.
>> This is according to who again?
>> Thomas Aquinus.
>> This is one of the great one of the
great uh Christian scholars.
>> I would argue the greatest of Catholic
church. The greatest by far.
>> Okay.
>> And actually this was Catholic doctrine,
right? It was official canon law that a
girl can be as a general rule a girl
could be married at the age of 12. And I
have many many many references
where Catholic theologians, scholars,
popes say that a minor can be married as
long as these conditions are married or
or as long as these conditions are met.
Okay. Where do they get the age 12?
Well, the age 12 they adopted from the
Roman Empire. The Roman Empire set the
age 12 for women to be married and the
age 14 for men. Okay? So this was Roman
law. Okay? And so they adopted this and
they continued this from the Romans.
Okay?
uh historically speaking historically
speaking this is an argument from
natural law as Christians call it right
something that is an innate principle
that humans agree on independently
without influence so it's not that this
culture influenced that culture rather
human beings innately come to this
conclusion okay how do we know that well
ancient Egyptians set marriage at
puberty
Ancient Egyptians set marriage at
puberty. Uh, ancient Romans set marriage
at puberty. Ancient Greeks set marriage
at puberty. Ancient Indians set marriage
at puberty. Ancient Chinese set marriage
at puberty. Ancient Arabs set marriage
at puberty. Ancient Persians set
marriage at puberty.
All these ancient peoples independently
set marriage at puberty. This is
evidence to show that it is an innate
principle primitively known that when a
woman reaches puberty, she becomes
marriageable.
All right,
that is the explanation as to why all
these people across different timelines
independent from one another, not
affected by environmental change, come
to the same exact conclusion. The only
explanation for that data is that this
is an innate truth about reality.
So it's that simple. Islam also takes
one more thing into account.
It's uh it takes into account societal
norm.
Societal norm that's taken into account
when it comes to juristpudence,
right? When it comes to marriage, when
it comes to anything. All right? So
that's why and you know if you go to my
country Libya or you go to any Arab
country, Muslim country,
women aren't being married at these the
10, 11, 12. No. Well, I think obviously
it happens, you know, happens everywhere
in the world, but no, women usually get
married between the ages of 16 and up
until their late 20s. So
>> tell me this um when we see right now
the um this being one of the ma main
attacks it's as if they want to take us
back in in time and as if Muslims are
trying to change the um the age of
consent uh even though you have young
kids in high school getting it on and at
that age and and then also when this
video came up you see that it wasn't in
Muslim majority countries that they
brought up. It was actually here in
America. What was the number like how
many? Hundreds of thousands.
>> 200,000.
>> 200,000. Uh and these are primarily I
believe Christians who are doing these
marriages. Somehow they're taking and
attacking Islam. They call Pro Muhammad
a rapist. Uh you just quote quote, you
know, the cannon of the uh Christians.
We don't
>> I also forgot to mention one thing.
>> Yeah.
>> The book of Numbers, I quoted this verse
earlier. The one that says the little
boys.
>> Yeah. uh numbers that same passage
allows child marriage actually. So it
says numbers 31:17 18 says unal alive
the little boys unal alive the woman who
have not slept with a man but all the
little girls all the female children
that have not slept with a man keep
alive for yourselves as wives as u
sexual partners as concubines. Okay. So,
um that reference there allows child
marriage. This is admitted by rabbis. If
you go, if you guys don't believe me, do
this. Go on Safaria. Safaria is like the
main website where you find all
literature, Talmud, the Torah, whatever.
All right? Go on Safaria, look up
Numbers 31:1 17. Click on the verse, go
on commentary. You'll find the rabbitic
commentaries. You'll find the Talm
Talmudic references. And it'll say that
as long as the girl is 3 years old in
one day, she is marriageable and she can
be a concubine.
>> This is according to the Talmud.
>> So this is I'm I'm this is according to
the Torah, but I'm showing you that I'm
not misinterpreting it because that's
what the Talmud understand the same way.
Christian commentators understand the
same way. If you go on Bible Hub, you go
on that verse, click commentaries, a
bunch of Christian commentaries will
show up for you. And all these Christian
commentaries who say, "Yeah, these are
little girls taken as wives, servants,
sexual partners, concubines." Where does
this come from? It comes from
Deuteronomy 21:14
or sorry, verse 10 to 14. And it says,
"When the Lord your God gives you
victory in battle and you t and you uh
and you take captives and amongst the
captives you see a beautiful female that
you like and want to marry, take her to
your home, shave her fingernails,
uh uh shave her hair, cut her
fingernails, and change her clothes. She
is to mourn her parents for a month."
Why? Because you just killed them in
battle. So take her to your house, shave
her head, bald, all right to to quote
unquote purify her, right? Cut her
fingernails, change her clothes. She is
to stay in your house and cry over her
dead family for one month. After the
month, it says, "You may go into her."
You may go into her.
>> This is the after. This is the Bible.
Deuteronomy 21:10-4.
If you no after that, if you no longer
want her,
don't sell her for money cuz she's a
slave. Usually, you sell slaves for
money, right? But in this case, don't
sell her for money. Let her go for free.
When you no longer want her anymore, let
her go for free. What's the reason? It
says because you have humiliated her. in
some translations because you have
forced her to have intercourse with you.
So, not only does the Torah allow
concubenage with little girls, but it
allows you to rape little girls.
Wow. This is really heavy stuff uh
hearing this and then going back to what
I was saying that this is uh there in
these texts but somehow the whole world
and the hate industry is trying to
malign the most noble the most um
person with the most pristine character
pro Muhammad peace and blessings be upon
him.
>> Yeah. And now you see these attacks,
constant attacks that he graped, that he
did this and that. And then you look
back and now you can go, you know,
historically you can see uh we we're
just getting into this video. This was
modern day time. But if you go back
towards the founding fathers uh and the
age uh that they had set at that time,
how this was something that was common.
If you go back to church history, it'll
be you know this is take hours to just
go and dive deep. You know the kings and
the bishops and what the marriage norms
were. But then going back 1400 years and
when people how do you like to answer
this? I mean in a quick because they'll
throw this out there just to attack. But
then you'd have to say that his her
father was in on the on the uh
conspiracy, you know, her her mother the
community did his his enemies also they
could have attacked him on so many
things. But did they attack did they
attack him on this at the same time? I
mean, how do you like to just um for
just some somebody not not the uh
there's two categories of people who who
know who are wellstudied and verse how
do you approach them? Are they they just
they're just uh you know when they're
attacking versus someone who's just
ignorant. It's shocking. They don't even
they don't really know on the other side
all these academic things that you're
talking about. But these people who
actually know, you know, they know all
of this church history, they know, and
then they're trying to attack them
versus somebody who's just just
ignorant.
>> Yeah. Um, so, uh, I'm I'm going to
answer that, but just as a reference for
people who are cuz, uh, when a
Christians will watch this,
>> Yeah. watch this
>> and they'll think in themselves as a
natural reaction.
>> Yeah.
>> It's it's natural. I don't blame them
for it that he's lying. Uh the Bible
doesn't say that. This is false. My
never heard that before.
>> You're doing
>> that doing he's lying for Allah. Right.
So that's that's and it's a natural
reaction because they feel like their
beliefs are attacked and that's not my
intention.
>> That's not our intention. I want to make
that you made that point clear.
>> Yeah. So I I just want to mention a
source for what I said about numbers.
There is a Hebraic scholar at the
University of Harvard. Huh? He's a
called Shea Cohen. She Cohen. Cohen
means priest. Is a last name, right? She
Cohen is a Hebraic scholar. He's a He's
not a rabbi. He's like an academic.
Okay. He's University of Harvard. He has
a book called
uh the beginnings of I believe it was
the beginning of okay in that book he
speaks about this passage in numbers and
he himself admits that this is about
taking and raping little girls and
making them wives and concubines and
this is what God himself implements.
It's not a Muslim. It's not me.
Academics and traditional rabbis and
commentators, Christian commentators are
saying this, not me. I'm just
transmitting the information. Okay? So,
just out there, that's the source. All
right? Check it out. Read it for
yourself. You'll see that I'm telling
the truth now. Uh, yeah. Go ahead.
>> Go ahead. Finish what you going to say.
>> I was just going to address what you
just asked about the people, you know.
>> Yeah. the slandering of the the last and
final messenger sent to mankind. And
then when you put things in context, so
you you just mentioned some history and
then we get into this video and what's
modern day and just the more you go back
how the how the ages changed and then
taking it 14 let alone taking it back to
1400 years and then you know the uh she
was already engaged to be married. You
had her father her your mother. The
community didn't attack Prophet Muhammad
over this. She's a woman. she's ready
for for marriage. also giving the uh
giving also the the the fact that in uh
you mentioned the uh the rabbitical
tradition you have some debate about is
it is it across the board three or some
they debate that she's older right you
have the same thing amongst Muslims
right so you could be charitable and
take the approach someone will say she's
15 16 12 some even though if you don't
agree that's not the orthodox view but
the orthodox view for rabbis is more
three orthodox view right three day and
So the orthodox view for rabbis
regarding the minimum age that uh a girl
can engage in intercourse is three years
old in one day.
>> This is anonymous, huh? Not not the
moder.
>> Yeah. Progressives progressive. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. So I mean this is um Wow.
And you don't see the attacks,
>> by the way. Some some put it at 9, some
rabbis put it 12, right? So you do find
that in the Talmud. But from what I have
seen, the Orthodox consistent view is 3
years old in one day. I I just want to
mention the different opinions because I
know people watches. Oh, Orthodox
Muslim, you're lying. This rabbi said
this and I'm just being charitable and
mentioning so they don't call me
dishonest or lying or taking things out
of context, you know.
>> And and just uh somebody's point, this
is not actually in the Quran, correct?
This is not in the And this does not
affect your your now this is not a part
of theology. And if somebody wants to
technically if someone wants to believe
she's 10 11 or 12 this doesn't affect
their belief now they're there that
doesn't take them out of Islam. Correct.
>> No it doesn't take them out of Islam at
all. Uh as a matter of fact uh you
mentioned about early people and their
reaction against the prophet. The
prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam had
many many many many enemies. Let me tell
you that many enemies. Okay, Christians
early on wrote apologies and reputations
of the prophet and Islam. Okay, there is
an apology uh written called the apology
of al- ki an early uh by a Christian
Arab. Okay. And he writes to refute
Islam. This is uh 9th century I believe
or 10th century. Okay.
And he has many criticisms against the
prophet. And actually many of the
criticisms are regarding his marriages.
For example, his marriage to um uh to uh
what's her name? Uh to
what's her name again? Uh to Zed's
ex-wife. Cuz you know he had Zade his um
his uh his adopted son. Okay. and he
married, you know, they broke up, they
divorced, and then he married her. The
prophet married her. Okay? And so, uh,
Kindi even argues against that. He says,
"Oh, well, you know, how could he marry
her and this and that?" And obviously,
you know, that's easy responses to that.
You know, there's nothing wrong with
that marriage. But I'm just showing you
that look, many people argued early on
against the prophet's character, against
his marriages, but yet they failed to
mention
Aisha's age or uh or oh yo, he married
her at six and consummated at 9. Wow.
You would expect you would expect that
if Christians throughout history who
read the Bible who received this
tradition from their ancestors or their
forefathers, right? If they had this
principle,
then they would have certainly argued
against it.
>> The Christians at that time, none of
them.
>> Yes, they would have certainly against
>> That's a really really important point
for people to really reflect over these
modern day haters. Yeah.
>> Right. That's El Kindi. Then you have
St. John of Damascus or St. Damise what
the Christians call him. St. John of
Damascus is considered to be the last
church father. So you have a period of
church fathers or set you could say like
the the Christian set, right? You have a
period of church fathers and the last
church father who they consider a church
father. After that it's just theologians
or saints or church doctors but nobody
is a church father after him. His name
is St. St. John of Damascus. St. John of
Damascus lived under the Abbassids if
I'm not mistaken. Okay. He lived under
the Abbasids.
Okay. And um he actually had a high
position under them because he comes
from a wealthy family. Okay. So I think
his uh family had to do with taxation or
something. They had a good position
under the Abbassads. He became a monk
and he went to uh went to a monastery.
Okay. and spent the rest of his life
there. And he writes against Islam in
the Greek language. He writes heavily
against Islam. He's one of the first
opponents of Islam. Okay? And he
criticizes the prophet, his character,
criticizes the Quran, he criticizes
everything. But he doesn't criticize the
prophet's marriage.
>> Wow.
>> So this shows you that look,
St. John of Damascus, who's a an
authority in the Eastern Orthodox and
Catholic churches, in the apostolic
churches. He's a church father. You
would expect that if he had this view
that marrying at that age is morally
corrupt, then they would have certainly
used it against him. But they don't.
>> Mhm.
>> Which shows you that this is a good
argument from silence. Cuz there's two
kinds of arguments from silence. is a
good one and a bad one. A good argument
from silence is when you expect to see
attestation or expect to see
corroboration and you don't find it.
A bad argument from silence is when you
don't expect it and you don't find it.
So it's a bad argument from silence,
right? Cuz you don't expect it. But
because we do expect them to argue
against this and we don't find it and
they argue about far less significant
things then this shows you that this is
a unanimous view amongst the nations.
This is what we call natural law that
everybody accepted.
>> So these people who are attacking Islam,
they're attacking it from a liberal
lens. They're not really attacking it
from their own Christian tradition, from
their father.
>> It's not grounded in the Bible. It's not
grounded in anything other than secular,
liberal, modern views on
>> marriage. How much there's a lot of
questions. I got uh several more
questions. Uh we could move on from
this, but how much of it do you think is
I I think it's a lot, but what do you
think? Uh this is a a projection
different terms moral projection,
psychological projection, a deflection
of people because we see most of the
incest. We see the great all of this
happening, you know, just this is a
proof right here what you see uh in the
greatest one of the greatest uh scandals
uh in that this country's ever seen the
world right now and you're seeing all of
this all of this evil that's transpiring
and many of these people attacking Islam
most of these world leaders and elites
and everything but you see when when God
almighty Allah exposes them they're the
ones who are actually involved in these
evils that are trying to accuse Muslim
Muslims who are far from these things.
>> It's projection, man. And yeah, that's
right. I saw that a lot of the people
who are in the Epstein files are enemies
of the prophet who's who have accused
the prophet of despicable things that
called him a PDF and called them all
kinds of things. But guess what it's it
turns out that it is them who like
touching children. It is them who are
into demonic satanic rituals into eating
human meat and cannibalism and all kinds
of crazy things like you never even
imagine. That never comes to mind. But
it just shows you that these people
these people Allah has cursed them,
right? Allah has humiliated them and he
continues to humiliate them because
everything they slander the prophet
with. It is them who Allah slanders with
that same exact thing and it is true in
their case. There's uh moving along,
there's a buzzword now that we see
people and again I believe this is a
deflection and they're also trying to um
go ahead and cover up their buddies who
are probably connected to what's going
on with Jeffrey Epstein and Epstein
files. Now they're coming in Texas and
other places diverting trying to divert
attention from that to the buzzword
Sharia Muslims. And you can see right
here in this um
in this uh tweet here, I want you for
the audience just replace ten
commandments with uh the Sharia. Okay.
Sharia unveiled in front of the Tarant
County courthouse in Fort Worth, Texas.
And let's have a look at this uh video
here.
>> One, two, three.
Is this the Sharia?
>> Poor poor people. They uh technically it
is. But poor these Christians are so
deluded. They don't know the Torah at
all. They don't know the Bible. They
think that God just gave the Ten
Commandments and that's it. That's not
the Sharia of Mus. The Sharia of MS is
not just the Ten Commandments. The
Sharia of MS includes
all of the laws found in the five books
and there over 600 of them.
>> That's all that's all Sharia, right?
>> All Sharia.
>> All of it. Sharia. And it includes it
includes
uh cutting peu off people's hands. It
includes stoning. It includes uh
>> that's everything they they attack Islam
over. Huh.
>> Yes. Yes. But Christians live in this uh
bubble of their own where
anything that has to do with the Sharia
that God revealed to Moses in the Torah,
they just turn a blind eye to it. But
the Ten Commandments, just the Ten
Commandments, that's But actually, the
Ten Commandments are just a small part
of the Sharia. They're not the entire
Sharia,
>> but we can say that that is the Sharia
of Moses.
>> Yep. That's exactly what it is.
>> Did Jesus have a Sharia
or he abided by Moses's Sharia?
>> Yeah. So Jesus in the sense that he uh
he was under Moses Sharia, but he um in
in the majority opinion, he abrogated
some of the laws.
>> So some of the laws of Moses were
abrogated. uh in a minority opinion he
didn't abregate any laws rather he just
interpreted them correctly in contrast
to the misinterpretations of the
Pharisees
>> but he was calling to Sharia also
>> he was calling to as a matter of fact as
a matter of fact Christians don't know
this they get so shocked
>> when I quote this verse Matthew 23:1-3
what does Jesus say he says the
Pharisees and the teachers of the Sharia
the teachers of the Torah, the the law,
the Pharisees and the teachers of the
law sit on the seat of Moses.
So be careful to obey and observe
everything they tell you,
but do not do as they do, for they do
not practice what they preach. So Jesus
says, "Everything the Pharisees and the
teachers of the Torah of Moses tell you
to do, observe all of it." Observe all
of it. But don't copy what they do
because they're hypocrites. They preach
one thing, but they don't follow it.
Don't be like them. Follow what they
preach because they don't follow what
they preach. you be the one who follows
the shar of Moses and applies it. As a
matter of fact, Jesus affirms in the uh
in Matthew that he affirms the Sharia
that if a young child
disobys and disrespects their parents,
they are to be put to death. Jesus
affirms this. Jesus affirms the entirety
of the law. He says that I've not come
to abolish the Sharia. I've come to
fulfill it. And he says, "Heavens and
earth will pass away,
but not a single iota of the Sharia of
MS will pass away until all is
accomplished."
>> So Jesus taught the Sharia. He said to
follow the Sharia and his apostles
taught the Sharia and follow the Sharia.
Who came and took the believers away
from the Sharia? is Paul of Tarsus.
That's why the early in Jerusalem
recorded in Acts chapter 21 in Acts
chapter 15 recorded in other early
sources um by the Ebonites and the
Nazarines and other early Christians
where Paul is called an enemy of the
law, a disorder of the law. He preached
against the law. He taught that they are
no longer obliged to keep the law. He
says this in Romans 7. He says he gives
an example in Romans chapter 7. Paul
says
us and the Torah is like a woman and her
husband. As long as her husband is
alive, she doesn't have to or as long as
her husband is alive, she has to keep
the conditions of the marriage contract.
She can't sleep with anyone else. She
has to obey her husband and so on and so
as long as he's alive. But when her
husband dies, she breaks free from the
contract and she is no longer
obligated to observe that contract cuz
her husband is now dead. He says
we are alive in the flesh as long as we
are without Christ. And that's why we
follow the Torah. But if we believe in
Jesus, we die with him in his cross. And
because we die with him, we are no
longer obligated to follow the shar.
Just like a woman is no longer obligated
to keep the conditions of her marriage
when her husband dies.
Paul says you don't have to keep the
Torah. You don't have to keep the
Sharia. This is why Christians today
think that the Sharia is done away with.
But according to critical scholars of
the early Jesus movement and the
historical Jesus,
Jesus never taught that. Jesus taught to
observe the commandments to observe the
shar of Mus Alam.
Have you heard I want to get through
these quickly. Um tell me have you heard
you've seen the video where you'll have
rabbis and uh people at the the whailing
wall and you you hear them saying
Muhammad you'll see you'll hear uh what
sounds like Pro Muhammad's name.
saws and I believe they're they're
reading Psalms. You you've also gone
into Muhammad in the Bible. Is this a
strong verse in Psalms that one can use?
And would you clearly say that there is
even though with all the alterations and
changes made is Muhammad peace and
blessings be upon him in the
Yeah. The prophet Muhammad is without a
shadow of a doubt in the that's why the
Quran says they know him better than
they know their own children. They know
him better than they know their own
children. And that's why we have many
attestations of in the fifth century and
the sixth century from non-Muslim
sources
praying for the coming of the prophet of
the messenger. Okay. So without a shadow
of a doubt. Now regarding that passage,
it's not in the Psalms actually. It's in
the Songs of Solomon.
>> Songs of Solomon. Yeah. Excuse. Songs of
Solomon. That's
>> Solomon 5:16. Now if you if you'll allow
me, um I want to break this down a
little bit because there's it's
intricate. Okay. A little bit. I don't
know if we have enough time. Let me just
break it down. It'll take a minute or
so.
>> Go ahead.
>> Is that okay? Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, Song of Solomon is often used by
Muslims. Why? Because the name of the
prophet sallall alaihi wasallam is
echoed in verse 16. So, uh
Muhammadim, I think that's how it went
in the Hebrew. I think I butchered it.
Um but it it basically means uh uh that
he is all uh uh uh lovely or he is
altogether lovely or praiseworthy. The
word there is uh Muhammadim which means
lovely. All right? And it's in the
plural over there. So they say oh look
this sounds like the prophet Muhammad is
the prophet Muhammad. But they stop
there and Muslims often that's the wrong
move because you must understand the
context. Okay. What is the context of
the Song of Solomon? The Song of
Solomon, the Songs of Solomon is an
erotic
poem filled with imagery and very sexual
imagery where it's the wife of Solomon
talking to her husband. Okay. So, that's
where Christians saw, oh, this is has
nothing to do with the Prophet Muhammad.
This is an erotic poem. It's talking
about the love of uh, you know,
Solomon's wife to her husband. And sure,
right? That's actually what it is. But
by the consensus of and Christian
commentators,
this is an allegory. It's not literal.
It's not Muslims. This is an allegory of
a poem between God
and his people. The Christians interpret
this as an allegory between God and his
church. Why? Because Christians and Jews
have this imagery that God is married to
the believers.
The believers are the wife of God and
God is the husband. Right? Christians
believe that Jesus is married to the
church.
>> Jesus is the husband. The church, the
body of the believers are his bride.
Right? So that's why they unanimously
interpret this as allegorical. Now,
Songs of Solomon 5 specifically is a
dream. And we know from the Tanakh that
when a prophet or somebody inspired has
a dream, this is prophetic in nature.
Rabbis admit this. As a matter of fact,
rabbitic commentaries say that Isaiah or
Song Solomon chapter 5 is about a
futuristic person.
It starts in verse 10. It gives the
descriptions.
You know the descriptions given there is
that he is white. He's handsome. He is
white and ruddy. So he is white with
redness in his skin.
He is the chiefest amongst 10,000.
And he's an Arab. You ever heard that
before?
It says all of these descriptions. He's
an Arab.
>> It's mistransated there. It says his
hair is black as a raven. Mhm.
>> But the word raven in Hebrew is
translated as Arabian in the book of
Kings.
>> Wow.
>> Because
I'll just tell you why quickly. Because
raven in Hebrew has the letters
bet
in the Hebrew alphabet
which is
pronounced when we pronounce it it'sab
that's why you you hear them say the
the Arabs
that you have the
and
which in Arabic is
right. So it literally says his hair
will be black as an Arab as
an Arab. Okay. So you have black hair,
black wavy hair. Arab the chiefest
amongst 10,000 which is fulfilled in the
conquest of Mecca. You had 10,000
companions with him. Uh he is white and
ruddy. The description of the prophet
Muhammad from Ali described the prophet
as white with redness in his skin and
his name is Muhammad which is echoed in
verse 16. He is altogether lovely
Muhammadim. So then take it in context
is about a futuristic person the
chiefest among thousand. He's an Arab.
He has black wavy hair and he he's white
with redness in his skin and he has the
name Muhammad. It's it's it's a very
good prophecy, but you need to
understand
the Bible well because Songs of Solomon,
as many have noticed, is a combo
combination of different prophecies in
the Bible together into one. Okay, so
this is what Song of Solomon is. And
yes, the prophet Muhammad is in the
Bible. I had just had a debate about the
prophet Muhammad in the Bible with a guy
called inspiring philosophy. has a half
million subscribers on YouTube. He's
been doing this for 15 years. And I
presented an argument that's
so bulletproof that nobody can deny it.
It's a It's in Daniel where Daniel
describes the kingdom of Islam coming
and crushing all the world empires and
establishing worldwide monotheism by
crushing the Roman Empire. Okay? And you
know, people could find that on my
channel more in detail. I don't want to
take too much time. We have the prophet
Muhammad is in the
He is more so in the Bible than Jesus,
the Christian Jesus in the Bible. And
I'll make a very bold statement here.
There is not a single prophecy about the
Christian Jesus in the Bible. Zero.
Christians say Jesus fulfilled over 300
prophecies. He fulfilled zero. The
Christian Jesus fulfilled none. Nada.
Nothing. So yes, the prophet Muhammad is
in almost every major book of the
>> Wow. Tell tell me when when you see such
clear evidences and proofs in your
experience now that you've debated uh
some of these people that are out there
and again we want the best uh for
everybody. That's why we're sharing this
message. We we hope that God Almighty
guides the people who are sincere and
truthful. And when you look at the
athicity of the authenticity of the
Quran, the miracles, the preservation,
the prophecies, then you look at Prophet
Muhammad's life, you look at the uh the
the prophecies uh the miracles that he
did. All of these just keep compiling,
compiling, compiling, and then you go
over to the Bible. You match things up
and it's like then you look at his life,
how he lived, you know, what he was
about. Usually fakesters, fraudsters,
you can call them out. Charlatans, you
know, they're for money. They're getting
bought out just like we have these
leaders now with the Epstein's list. you
you any sincere person who looks at his
life there's no way that they're going
to come to any other conclusion that and
which many Catholic priests and bishops
and deacons I've interviewed so many
hundreds of people over the years and
many came from Christian backgrounds but
when they were se sincere that that was
the one of the main ingredients and they
accept Islam so to the creator not the
creation but some of these people who
are out there now that you're debating
what's your take on them because you're
giving clear rational logical arguments
you're not talking about you know things
that are hard to compreh comprehend
clear lucid proofs and evidences. Do
these people actually believe what
they're what they're um uh talking
discussing. Um and it's it's very odd
that the majority of their videos is not
about their religion calling people to
their religion. It's almost as correct
me if I'm wrong. It's like 99.9%
of their time is spent trying to find
some kind of way to attack Islam. So,
are they just undercover um Christians?
Are they atheists? Are they just godless
people? Are they people just for the
clicks and the money? What's your take
now that you've you've you've you've
dealt with a lot a lot of them? What
conclusion? What do you think?
>> My conclusion is what Allahh says in the
Quran. They are
right. They are they are they are
completely deaf, dumb, blind and they
will never come back. Why?
>> For many reasons. One is and this is
this is a reminder for myself first
because it's not only Christians also
Muslims debating so much
and being in cons consistent arguments
all the time arguing arguing arguing
makes you not seek the truth. Right? May
Allah protect us from such a thing.
>> Amen.
>> But it makes you seek um the answer or
how do I respond to this? How do I
answer this?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Even if something is clearly an issue,
right? Instead of seeking the truth, you
will even be satisfied with the most
absurd ad hoc interpretation or answer
as long as you could semi be,
you know, answer because there's always
going to be an answer. There's never not
an answer.
>> It's just whether this answer is
convincing or not. Is this convincing?
Is this plausible? Is this a historical
reading of the data? Does this make
sense? Is this more parsimmonious?
Right? And this is what it becomes. So
may Allah protect us from such a thing.
It makes your heart hardened. It makes
you like a rock. Okay. So this what too
much debating does. And you know this is
a reminder for myself first that maybe I
need to stop debating for a bit and you
know I need to um you know uh get that
my spirituality back. Uh but that's one
thing. Another thing is if you notice,
if you go on these people's channels,
every time they post a video about
Christianity,
no views or significantly lower views,
right?
>> Every time they post a video about
Islam, it's a lot of views, you know,
skyrockets.
So, you know, because of this um uh
pattern of people that consume this
content,
they have made a living because of
Islam,
they have supporters that only follow
them to hate on Islam.
They they're only there because they
hate on Islam. They're they're
Islamophobes. They have anti-Islamic
rhetoric. So, they're only there for
that. And they only financially support
them on those grounds, right? And so a
lot of these people, man, and I can tell
you right now, a lot of these people
don't. They're they're closeted
atheists. They don't care. They're
miserable, right? But they've found
themselves stuck in this life where, you
know, Islam is the only way that they
can make a living for themselves and
their families. And maybe Islam is the
only way that they rose to fame. and
this is the only uh this is the only
thing that they that makes them feel
important or the only thing they've been
successful at or so on and so forth. And
some of them do believe some of them do
believe in what they believe in. And um
yeah, and a lot of them they they know
the truth. They're just rejecting it
because Allah has hardened their hearts
and because they harden their own
hearts. It's a cooperation. You harden
yourself. you become somebody who's
arrogant, Allah increases that arrogance
and he hardens your heart. This is the
same thing that happened to Pharaoh. Um,
and so on and so forth, right? It's the
same exact thing, man. It's there's
money involved, finances involved, your
life is on the line, your reputation.
And let me tell you that, let me tell
you something right now. Let me tell you
something right now. I'm not going to
say any names. There are big massive
Christian apologists who are still
making contents,
usually Christian content, that on the
back end have confessed to me that they
don't think Christianity is true.
>> Wait, say that again.
>> There are big massive Christian
platforms that make Christian content,
regular Christian content.
>> Yeah. that have confessed to me
personally, believe me if you want,
don't believe me if you want, that they
don't believe in Christianity. They
think it's full of it and they are
seeking Islam, but they are afraid to do
that because it will harm their
platform.
>> Wow. That's the test.
>> And I I bear witness before Allah that
that's true.
>> Subhan Allah. And for them, those that
are out there, I mean, we we invite them
to really be sincere and know that
either you can choose a life uh that
goes against what God Almighty, Allah
wants you to do, and you're going to
roast in a hellfire forever.
>> I mean, at the end,
>> or you can come to the the one who's all
forgiving, the most loving, and turn
your life around, and what you leave for
his sake, he's going to open up so many
other doors. We've had so many who've
left. I've interviewed them personally.
they've left, you know, and they went
against all sorts of hardships, but at
the end they everything turned around 10
or more fold. You just can't imagine.
So, there's always hope. There's always
hope, but you don't want to roast at the
end in the hellfire dying upon that.
Yeah. And that's why we're doing this.
So, we do this out of the love, you
know. So, few more. I got to get these
in. We're we're out of time, but this
we're covering a lot of stuff.
>> Uh, tell us about the ESDA argument.
This is another thing that they they
throw out there. uh you've developed a
new argument or is this something that
was from rehash from the past or a rabbi
now and just get covered this quickly.
>> Yeah. So so this is this is
>> their argument their argument that they
make they try to throw against Islam and
how you've answered this.
So the argument is and this has been an
argument that's existed for a long time
that Allah subhana t says that the uh
the Christians took the messiah Jesus as
the son of Allah and the took
as a son of Allah. Okay. And that Allah
reprimands them for such a thing. And
then the next verse after that says
that the next verse says they took their
scholars, monks, rabbis, priests as
gods, as lords beside Allah.
>> So then don't lose your place. So then
what they'll say is that look, we went
to the to the deepest parts of Israel.
We've talked to these rabbis and we've
asked them
>> no Jew has ever said that Ezra cuz the
uh traditional identification of the
word or the name Hosea in Arabic has
been Ezra by scholars right that's the
traditional cuz you know when when
there's an Arabized Hebrew name in the
Quran scholars identify the Hebrew
person or the the person in the Hebrew
Bible right so then they say oh well
seems to be Ezra therefore for Ezra.
They said Ezra is the son of God. A lot
of Quran translations say Ezra is the
son of God. And you say, well, when did
Jews ever worship Ezra? Nobody ever
worshiped Ezra the son of God. Nobody
said that, right? So, the Quran is
false. Quran. Yeah, you know that's
that's how the argument goes. Now,
the Muslim scholars have answered this
by uh transmitting reports that some in
Yemen, some Yemenite have taken Ezra as
a divine son of God. Okay? uh that
doesn't reach us from it reaches us from
Muslim sources. If somebody takes that
opinion, they're fine. No problem.
That's what the scholars of the past
did. I have no problem with it. No issue
with it. Okay? You know, I'm not trying
to go against the grain here. I'm just
using new evidence and new data to put
out another likely hypothesis, right?
But I'm not dogmatic about it. You know,
you don't have to believe it. So this is
my approach and I didn't come up with it
myself. Okay. People think I came up
with it myself. I don't want to take
credit for anyone's work. Okay. Um uh a
couple scholars
orientalists have recently taken this
hypothesis. They haven't released their
research out yet. They you know
mentioned it vaguely in a conference but
they haven't released their research. So
when I heard their identification, I
didn't read their research because it's
not out yet as from what I know. I I
looked at the identification. I said,
"Huh?" So I went digging myself. I went
doing research myself. So what is what
is the hypothesis here? Well, the Quran
is speaking to 7th century Jews,
post Talmudic Jews, not some kind of
ancient speaking to post Talmudic Jews.
And it's saying that these have taken us
as a divine son of God.
And it's also connected to them taking
their Jew their rabbis as lords beside
Allah because that's what the very next
verse says. Okay. So then what is a
figure that post Talmudic Jews would be
familiar with that they took as a lord
beside Allah called him the son of god
and gave him divine status and has the
name where the Arabic would be. Who is
this such a person? Well there is a
prolific rabbi named Elizer binhanis.
The name Elizer means God helps which
comes from the root in Hebrew which is
also where comes from Azar.
Okay. So the same root. Okay. Aliser.
Okay. So the name matches. Okay. Who is
this rabbi? This rabbi is a Talmudic
rabbitic figure
who is given the title the son of God.
So there's a story in the Jerusalem
Talmud and in the Babylonian Talmud
where this rabbi specifically
the rabbis were arguing a Torah ruling,
right? And Rabbi Alazer was in the
minority. He had his opinion and the
rest of the rabbis were in the majority.
They had a consensus agreement. Okay?
And so Rabbi Aliser says if the truth is
with me then these walls bend and he
starts bending walls. If the truth is
with me then the water of the river will
start flowing the from the other side
backwards and the water of the river
starts flowing backward. He he starts
like bending walls like things start
bending for him doing like miraculous
things like he's like air bender
superman right? And then he says, and
then a voice comes from heaven. God
speaks from heaven and he says, "This is
my son, Rabbi Aliser.
The truth is always with him. He can
never be wrong.
He can never be wrong. He's like a he
has this like status of an infallible
imam as the Shia believe, right? He can
never be wrong. He's my son." Okay? And
and then the story goes on. So then we
have this rabbi who can never be wrong.
And and by the way, the the story goes
on to show how uh the beat god in a
debate.
So when God himself says, "No, he's
right. He can never be wrong." The Jews
say, "No, God, you're wrong." Because
the Torah says, "We always go with the
majority. We always go with the
majority." Right? So God, you're wrong.
We're not going to listen to you. And
then God says, "My children have
defeated me in a debate. My children
have defeated me in a debate." Okay. So
that's the full story. So Rabbi Alazer
is somebody who legislates rulings. He
has the power to legislate
beside Allah. He's a divine son of God
and his rulings are infallible. They can
never be wrong. And he's attributed with
divine qualities. Like for example, the
Quran says that the words of Allah,
nothing on earth, no amount of the whole
ocean wouldn't be able to encompass or
fit the words of Allah. Right? That's
what the Quran says. It says the same
thing about Rabbi Alazer. Rabbi Aliser
says that my words, my words, my
teachings can never be encompassed by
anything on earth. The same exact thing
that Allah attributes to himself. and
many many many many examples that I
won't go over now but you have a deified
rabbi that legislates rulings that they
took as a lord beside Allah the prophet
explains they took them as lords because
they legislated for them in the religion
what Allah did not legislate
divine son of god his name is
he legislates and he's made a lord
beside Allah and the recognize this. As
a matter of fact, his title is Rabbi
Elizer bin Hercanis Hagadul, which means
Rabbi Aliser the Great. And something
that I noted myself. So this is
something I came up with myself and
maybe I'm wrong. Allah, but in Arabic is
the dimminative form of Azar. You know
when we say John and Johnny, Johnny is a
dimminative form of John. It's like
saying little John, right? So there's
the little form of so it's like saying
small or little, right? So his name goes
from Rabbi Alazer the great to Allah
diminishes his status. He calls him
alazar the small
the little. Right? So that's that's
something that I noted myself. Um Allah
maybe I'm wrong on that but that's
that's uh that's it. And if anybody's
interested, they could check the video I
made on this.
>> Makes a lot of sense. And it seems like
these attacks that they push on Islam.
When you go ahead and unpackage it like
you did, it turns actually to be another
proof for Islam.
>> Couple more questions. We've had some
guy going around and then it spread to
some other one of these Islam haters.
May God Almighty Allah guide them if
they're sincere. Um what's the NGO?
this is uh this has become something
that you know clips and videos you see
it out there and how would you uh answer
this in short what's the
>> so subhan allah
>> and what are they trying to do for the
context of the viewer who's who's you
know they're just hearing this for the
first time why you know why I'm asking
this question but for them that don't
understand can you unpackage it
>> so Allahh says that the prophet Muhammad
is written in the Torah and the gospel
they have with them so they have the
injil with them. Right? So Allah
describes them as having the gospel.
They have it with them. The Torah is
with them. Right? Allah Allah calls the
Torah the book of Allah that is with
them. They threw it behind their backs
and so on and so forth. Okay? So they
say look if Allah revealed the and the
is with the Christians in the 7th
century but in the seventh century we
know what they had. They had Matthew,
Mark, Luke and John. They were reading
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. We have
manuscripts from the fifth century, from
the first, second, third centuries, all
centuries, from all over the place, from
Palestine, from Egypt, from Syria, from
all kinds of places. And the gospel is
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. So, what
is the injid? So, it's kind of like a
gotcha, you know, uh what's the inj
that's the question. And this yet again
turns out to be something miraculous
that proves the Quran to be divinely
inspired and the literal uh verbatim
word of God. Okay. The word gospel
historically historically speaking.
Okay. Didn't always refer and pick out
biographies written namely Matthew,
Mark, Luke and John or a later genre of
biographies about Jesus. Rather, we know
from the earliest usage of the word in
Paul's letters and in the in the Gospel
of Mark and in other passages like S.
Ignatius of Antioch and uh other writers
that the word gospel specifically refers
to the teachings and the words and the
parables and the interpretations of
Jesus. It's an oral revelation. So when
early first century Christians said
gospel,
they didn't say Matthew, Mark, Luke,
John,
gospel meant what Jesus brought, the
good news. Gospel comes from the Greek
word evangelion, which means the good
news. Okay? Or glad tidings.
Now what does the Quran say? The Quran
say that Jesus came and gave the
glad tidings.
of a prophet after me whose name will be
Ahmed.
The word for glad tidings there
is the root
or
you or he gives glad tidings or he or
they give glad tidings, right? glad
tidings,
which is the very word in Hebrew that
Jesus uses to refer to his gospel.
Because in the Gospel of Mark, Jesus
quotes a passage from Isaiah
about himself, saying, "The spirit of
God is upon me that I was sent to preach
the good news to the poor and to heal
the blind."
The Hebrew word there
in uh in Isaiah that Jesus quotes for
gospel
is
bush which means glad tidings. So the
Quran is aware intimately with the
origin of the word gospel and its Hebrew
etmological root and its Greek
etmological root. Okay. and its
historical usage because the Quran
doesn't use gospel in one way. The Quran
uses gospel in different ways. This is
what we call an equivocal term.
It could refer to one thing in one
context or it could refer to one thing
in a different context. So when Allah
says that he gave the gospel to Jesus,
he's saying he gave him the oral
revelation of the teachings, parables,
and Torah interpretations.
When Allah says that the the Christians
have the gospel with them, now it's
using gospel in its 7th century context
because originally gospel meant one
thing and then it came to mean another
thing. After the 2 century in the year
185 and on, gospel now came to mean a
specific genre of book, a biography
about Jesus, right? that contained his
teachings, parables, and Torah
interpretations. Okay? So then when
Allah says that they have the gospel
with them, he's referring to the
biographical account that contains some
of the oral revelation that Allah gave
Isaam.
And in these gospels they have with them
if you were to follow them to their
entailment you would become a Muslim.
Jesus.
gives parables about the coming of the
kingdom of God, about the coming of
Islam, about the coming of the prophet
Muhammad. In Matthew chapter 22, in
Matthew chapter 21, in Matthew chapter 4
or sorry, Matthew chapter 3, in many
different passages and parables, Jesus
preaches about a prophet, a prophet
after me whose name will be Ahmed. The
kingdom of God to come, the kingdom of
the son of man to come. Okay. So just in
summary, the gospel
depends on how it's used.
If it's used to refer to its first
century context, what was given to Jesus
is the teachings uh interpretations and
parables. If it's used in its later
context in the seventh century, it's
referring to Matthew, Mark, Luke, John,
and the books that the Christians had
with them that contain the teachings of
Isaam. Although some are distorted, they
still contain the essence of his
teachings where somebody could reach
Islam by following their entailments.
Before my last question, is this a fact
that the and most Christians um the
average Christian doesn't know this that
the first four books of the New
Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John
are anonymous books. Uh Matthew was not
the disciple of Jesus who wrote this
book. This is anonymous author that you
have what is it? uh you have Luke or is
it Matthew copying from one of the other
gospels and that you have John also
which um people use a lot of John to try
to prove ambiguous verses that Jesus is
divine somehow but we don't even know
who John is is this is sub and then also
that uh a good amount chunk of the uh
what is it 14 books of uh Paul's that
seven of them are like forgeries they're
not even by him uh are these facts that
that could be substantiated.
>> So these things that you mentioned are
consensus amongst critical and
evangelical scholars and they're not
really up for serious debate. Okay. So
it is consensus. Nobody disagrees. You
you do have like the odd evangelical
traditional Christian scholar who
disagrees like Richard Bacham. But the
the majority of scholars and it's not up
for debate, okay? agreed that the
Gospels are anonymous works written by
later Christians living in different
parts of the Roman Empire about
traditions they received about who they
believe to be their Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ. Okay. So the the the most
tra uh or the the the consensus view is
that Mark is the first gospel written
written in the year 70. Okay. Then you
have Matthew written in the year 85 and
Luke. Then you have uh John written in
the year 95 to 100. Okay. Um what's also
not up for debate is that Matthew and
Luke without a shadow of a doubt use
Mark as a source.
It doesn't take a genius to find that
out. If you put Mark together and
Matthew together and start reading,
there is word for word copying. As a
matter of fact, can you believe 95% of
Mark is in Matthew? 95% of the Gospel of
Mark is in Matthew. It's not up for
serious debate. Okay? It's not up for
serious debate whatsoever. Okay? Matthew
without a shadow of a doubt use Mark as
a source. Luke also without a shadow of
a doubt use uh Mark as a source. But
there's also places, this is called the
double tradition where Matthew and Luke
have verbatim agreement
that don't that are not found in Mark.
So they use Mark as a source. So when
they agree with Mark, you know, that's
explained by they got it from Mark. But
what about when they used when Matthew
and Luke have verbatim agreement and
it's not found in Mark? Well, scholars
and the majority consensus view posit
that Matthew and Luke alongside Mark
used a second a second document called
Q. Q stands for the German word quell
which means source. Okay. So they used a
document a gospel called Q by scholars
and Q was a sayings gospel just hadith
sayings of Jesus. Jesus said Jesus said
Jesus said and has a little bit of
biography material in there. So uh
Matthew and Mark Matthew and Luke used Q
and used Mark. John comes from an
independent tradition. He doesn't rely
on the uh synoptics. Matthew, Mark, and
Luke. He doesn't rely on them. Okay.
This is not up for serious debate. Okay.
except for Q. Some scholars recently
have pushed back on Q with other uh uh
you know plausible uh solutions. But
everything else is not up for serious
debate. It's they're written
anonymously. Meaning Matthew, Mark, and
Luke, Christians are always surprised
when I tell them this. It's like they
found out like something crazy. Matthew,
Mark, and Luke don't introduce
themselves. They don't tell us how they
are. They don't write as eyewitness
reports. They don't say, "Oh, when I
went here, I felt this way. When I heard
Jesus say this, I felt that way and I
went, "No, as a matter of fact, if you
go to Matthew uh 9:9, I if I'm not
mistaken, it says, "And Jesus saw a man
named Matthew and he told him,
follow me."
Jesus saw a tax collector named Matthew.
You mean to tell me Matthew was writing
that Jesus saw a man named Matthew tax
and told him, "Follow me?" It doesn't
sound like Matthew's writing it. Now,
they'll say, "Oh, well, you know,
there's a lot of people read in third
person." Yes, but the only reason we
know that they're writing in the third
person is because we have other
independent reason to think they are the
author to come to the conclusion that
they're writing in the third person.
Unfortunately for the gospels, we don't
have any evidence that it was written by
anybody who knew Jesus. As a matter of
fact, nothing in the New Testament is
written by anybody who knew Jesus. Most
of the New Testament is written by Paul.
And even Paul has only seven authentic
letters that most scholars agree on.
Okay, seven authentic letters and Paul
is our earliest Christian author. Not
the gospels. Paul comes first then the
gospels. That's why another uh another
consensus by the scholars is that the
gospels are Pauline
meaning the go Matthew, Mark and Luke
and John are Pauline gospels. They're
relying on Paul, right? That's why
you'll find a lot of verbatim agreements
even between Paul and the Gospel of Mark
regarding Jesus making all foods clean
and regarding the ukarist the flesh of
Jesus and his blood and so on and so
forth. The point is what if I told you
that modern critical non-Muslim
scholars, Christian scholars
are saying that the earliest Jesus
movement
was a protomuslim movement. Would you
believe me?
>> Wow.
Most people
>> I could I could I could quote you. I
could quote you the passages. There's a
scholar called
uh uh James D. Taber in his book The
Jesus Dynasty and in another book called
Paul and Jesus. He says in there that
the earliest Jesus movement was a
movement that is compatible with Islam
and is not compatible with the modern
Christian mainstream movements.
>> He said that
>> he said he says it himself. I have the
book right here. I can show you
>> he's a Christian
>> and he's a Christian scholar. Also, we
have another scholar called Jeffrey J.
Boots. He says in his book, the brother
of Jesus and the lost teachings of
Christianity. He says that the earliest
Jesus followers, the Jewish Christians
were
uh uh proto-Muslims. He doesn't say in
those exact words, but he says pro proto
Muslims. So for that, what does that
what does that mean? It's it's like a
Muslim before Islam was a thing. You
understand? Their teachings were
compatible with Islam. Their teachings
resemble Islam.
Is this is this Muslims saying this? No.
This is what critical scholars are
saying.
>> How can they say that if they're
Christian?
>> Well, what what would lead them to say
that?
>> Well, that's the thing. A lot of
scholars they start off when they you
know pursue academia they start off as
traditional uh scholars as evangelicals
but the more they learn the more liberal
they become and a lot of them leave
Christianity that happened to Barman.
Bartman started as a hardcore Christian.
>> Yeah.
>> And he became an atheist born again.
Yeah. he became an athe and a lot of
these even James D Tabor as well and
other scholars they start off Christians
and then they learn and then like yeah
Christianity it's not as the traditional
it's not the the traditional view
there's holes in it right and so either
they stay Christian culturally so you
know they go to church culturally it's
like a part of their identity almost or
like you know it's a communal thing and
some of them just leave Christianity
because they have no other reason to be
Christian but these are not in any case
these guys are not Muslims. They have no
rat in this race. And these scholars are
saying that the early Jesus movement was
Islamic and resembling Islam in its
nature. And this is this is demonstrable
historically using the data that is
available to us.
>> Or like I said earlier, they use
Christianity as a cover, not really
believing in it, but attacking Islam
from behind it.
>> Like we're seeing with these what do
they concede? Do many of these uh people
that you've debate all what you these
facts that you just quoted these uh
academics and Christian scholars there's
no debate about it do they concede this
point do they they still they still
>> well obviously they'll push back they
never concede it and even if they feel
like maybe if they concede in their
heart maybe but they'll never voice it
out because it's embarrassing
>> or it's not good for
>> so even on one one hand you have you
have real scholars on one and he here
who are saying this anonymously and then
over here these are still arguing
against these scholars here. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. They they argue against the
scholarship. They use u fringe views and
fringe scholarship and and so on and so
forth and and sometimes uh using fringe
scholarship is okay as long as you have
the evidence to back it. But the point
the problem is all the evidence suggests
that the uh earliest historical Jesus
the data about him is that he was a man
prophet claimed to be the Messiah sent
by God called towards God called for the
Torah and said that there will come a uh
figure after him. He calls the son of
man and he will bring God's kingdom.
This this is what scholarship says. Can
you prove because this is another thing
that they say go ahead and prove that
Jesus because we say Jesus was because
by definition what is a Muslim one who
surrenders and submits to God. That's
what a Muslim is. So if you take it by
definition what did Jesus do? He
surrendered and submitted to God. I.e.
it doesn't take much to put the two
together. He was it fit the category
Muslim wasn't a Hindu wasn't a
Christian. He was one who was submitting
to God. So how would you prove? That's
another thing they try to attack. say,
"Okay, prove it now. Prove that he was a
Muslim."
>> Sure. Uh, so, well, first we have to
start with that Islam or Muslim is not a
word that the previous nations used
because it's an Arabic word. When we say
that Jesus or the prophets were Muslim,
we're saying they were ideologically,
theologically Muslims, meaning their
views and their theological views,
ideological views aligned with what we
call Islam. Okay. And I I give this
example, right? We have the word atheist
today. What does the word atheist mean?
It means somebody who rejects the notion
of the existence of a god. Right?
Now, even if this word didn't exist, the
first ever person who rejected the
existence of a god, can we properly and
truly call him an atheist today? Yes.
Even if he himself didn't use the word,
didn't know about it, he didn't call
himself that
he was ideologically that. So
analytically this word applies to him.
So we don't say that Jesus walked around
he said Allahbar he faced thea he you
know he vis he did pilgrimage and and he
called himself a Muslim he did. No we
don't because this is in relating to or
different sets of laws for different
nations. But he said, "Let thy will be
done." Let thy will be done. That's
>> But ideologically, ideologically, he was
a Muslim. What makes somebody
ideologically a Muslim? Simple. By
submitting their will to God. How does
one submit their will to God? Oh, if I
submit my will to Iraq, am I a Muslim?
Well, no. Because submitting requires
conditions. And these conditions are
six. If somebody fulfills the six
articles of faith, submission, this
person is a Muslim. Jesus believed in
Allah alone. Jesus believed in the
messengers uh before him, in the books
before him. He believed in the angels.
He believed in the day of judgment and
he believed in divine predestination
that everything that happens happens by
the will of God alone. If we establish
this and we establish that he his
theological ideological views don't
contradict the theological ideological
views of the Quran then he was a Muslim.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. So people now they want to come
you actually uh have a platform where
people can come and have these
discussions with you. Is that right? So
if somebody agrees disagrees and they
want to get some some more back and
forth you open up the the airway that
people can come and sit and dialogue
with you and have these discussions.
Yeah, I host live streams usually three
days a week on my channel. Three days a
week.
>> The Orthodox Muslim. Three days a week.
I do live call-ins. So, anybody,
Christian, Jew, wherever you are, you
want to come live call in, challenge me
on something, ask a question about
Islam, more than welcome. I do that. I
also do it uh on Tik Tok as well
occasionally. Uh I do, you know, live
callins. People can come ask questions.
And yeah, I sometimes I roam the
streets, talk to Christian preachers and
apologists. I visit churches. Yeah. So
that's uh that's kind of what I do.
>> And then where is that? Where is that?
That's the Orthodox Muslim.
>> The Orthodox Muslim on YouTube, Tik Tok,
the Orthodox Muslim as well. Uh yeah,
everywhere. Orthodox Muslim. Uh I just I
just launched a um a website where I'm
going to Have you heard of Answering
Islam, Answering Christianity before?
These websites online. Uh I feel like
their um outlook is a bit outdated,
right? It feels old. So I I opened my my
uh my blog. It's called it's going to be
called orthodoxmuslimansers.com.
Uh the blog is finished. I just haven't
started writing everything all the
articles. But inshallah I'm going to my
goal is to make it that any question
that a Muslim has any Shouba
Christianity Judaism atheism anything
I'm going to be writing so many articles
on there on each niche topic so that
inshallah people are equipped with the
tools and the resources to you know
battle the missionaries that's that's my
goal
>> for them I mean what I what I've seen is
many of them are some of them are and I
use one term for it is just uh really uh
sophistry. You know this term sophistry.
>> Yeah. Big time.
>> Yeah. So what do you say for for for
even them for the biggest Islam haters?
We know that uh there's hope all the way
to the end. So some of your biggest
critics, some of those that you've
debated and others who will probably
watch this now. I mean we got we got um
we want good for everybody. And what
would you say to them? The door of
repentance is always open until the end.
It's not like hey we want you to just
burn in the hellfire. We want you to
experience what we experience based on
evidence and proof. What what for the
average person that's watching who's not
really into the debates, but he's
gravitating more to towards Islam. What
advice would you give for them? And then
the other the other person who's
dedicated his life now that's all they
they're not preaching and teaching their
religion, but they're just bashing
Islam. What what would you say to them?
I would say what Allah says, subhana
says in the Quran. He says,
"Do not despair. Do not lose hope in the
mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives
all sins. Allah forgives all sins. And
he's talking to those who have transg
transgressed against themselves by
disbelieving, by committing sins, by
idolatry, by satanism, by rituals,
whatever you are, the worst of
creatures, whatever you are, what worst
of things you've done, Allah, his mercy
extends to you. His mercy, his presence
encompasses all things. All you have to
do is call out to him, believe in him,
have a relationship with him, submit
yourself to him alone without anybody
else in worship. That is a monotheist.
The one who surrenders himself to God
alone. This is a Muslim. A Muslim is
surrendering to Allah in unifying him in
establishing his monotheism.
And
whoever surrenders to Allah and to other
than Allah, then he's a mushri.
Whoever surrenders to Allah alone
without any partners, this person is the
true monotheist. So I'm calling
everybody towards that. I know you may
you may not like me. You think that I
am, you know, uh insulting your religion
or you think that, you know, I'm an evil
deceiver cuz that's the comments I get,
right? Oh, you're demonic. You're
satanic. Uh you know, I rebuke you in
the name of Jesus. All that. Okay,
that's fine. You don't have to like me,
but just listen to what I tell you. And
I want you to go take this information
and verify it. Am I telling the truth or
am I lying? Forget about me. Hate me all
you want. I don't care. You know, if you
want to hate me, hate me. Okay? But I
want goodness for you. I want you to
accept Jesus. I want you to accept Jesus
because you don't. If you're a
Christian, right? Become a Muslim. Give
him the true rights that are due to him
that he's worth. And don't exaggerate in
your religion. Worship Allah alone
without any partners. That's it. Who you
call the father who you know as the
father, worship him alone just like
Jesus worshiped him alone. And my advice
for those sworn enemies of Allah.
Just know that you won't be here for a
long time. And death is a certainty.
That's why Allah calls it the certainty.
One day you won't be here anymore. And
one day you'll be 6 feet under. you and
me together and everybody in a 100 years
none of us will be here. So really think
through what you're doing. Really think
through if you believe what you believe
in. If the evidence is where it's where
you think it is because there's a lot on
the line and you will be judged more
severely than the average person because
you're a caller to misguidance and
you're a caller to disbelieve. There's a
difference between somebody who's a
disbeliever and a collar to disbelief.
You will be punished more severely. And
if you die upon this, then you will
regret it for eternity.
>> That's scary.
>> For eternity. So, you know, just think
think through what you're what you're
doing inshallah. And remember, like my
brother said, there's always hope until
there isn't until the last breath you
have, but there's always hope. So
>> I give people Homer very simple if these
guys are in the truth ask the creator
alone not through any intermediary but
to the creator alone directly it's very
simple homework and ask for guidance
guide me guide me guide you direct
dialup no one in the middle I mean how
simple is that huh right on exactly man
>> thank you brother nice having you on
>> thank you thank you for having me on
it's it's been a pleasure I really
enjoyed our conversation and inshallah
people can benefit from this And may
Allah forgive me for my shortcomings and
everything that I said that is wrong um
is from the shaitan. Uh and everything
that I said that is good and beneficial
it's from Allah subhana tala. Thank you.