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alhamdulillah peace be unto you welcome
to the dean show today we're going to be
covering the Bible what is the Bible
where did this book come from we're
going to be trying to educate you the
audience but you know what I'm going to
have to go find somebody qualified to
talk about it so I'm going to be right
back search to make sure I get a wise
man a person who knows the Bible well
and we'll be right back to discuss the
Bible what it is where it came from sit
tight and we right back on the dean show
excuse me sir yes is that you you
sylvesters yes how are youum waum peace
be on to you how are you alhamdulillah
I'm so glad I found you you look
familiar I'm Eddie from the dean show
Eddie from the dean show what are you
doing here I'm looking for you you're
looking for me you found me I need you
to come on the show and ask some very
important questions about about the
Bible the Bible yes and I heard you
qualified to do that being a former
preacher Minister well you know it well
I've been accused of worse I guess can
you come on and join us and help us out
let me check my
schedule yes I can come all right let's
go to the dean show let's do it let's go
stay T we'll be right
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there peaceful peaceful peaceful peace
peaceful peaceful
Alum how are you alhamdulillah I'm glad
I found you alhamdulillah I'm still kind
of surprised that your approach to just
come out there and to ask me to come be
on here and talk about the Bible this is
surprising well what better person to
bring on someone who was a former
preacher Min former I'm a Muslim now
well you know what you have a lot of
experience with the Bible so we want to
get down to it we want to educate the
masses the Muslims and the non-muslims
Christians and people who aren't Muslim
we want to know what is this book the
Bible where it came from give us some
highlights some insight about this but
there's a point here before we get into
the program and I hope I don't
disappoint you I hope you didn't bring
me all the way over here and I'm going
to disappoint you now because I tell you
I don't consider myself an expert of the
Bible but what I can do is I can quote
to you from what real experts of the
Bible have said in the past and what
they are saying today that I can do
that's good enough is that okay I can
give you the references and people can
check this out but I don't want anybody
to take me as being a Bible scholar
today because after all I'm a Muslim and
it wouldn't be right I don't like you
know if somebody is a Christian and he
says he's the expert on the Quran that's
not fair is it no no so and I don't want
to do that either but I will tell you
that uh I have a lot of background with
the Bible when I was Christian my father
also had a lot of background he was a uh
a Christian minister himself one of the
things about my dad he had read the
entire Bible by the time he was 10 years
old and hardly anybody does that anymore
and what I grew up hearing from him and
from the people in our family is that
they quote like this my father would say
the Bible is the inspired word of man
and then he would say clearly and this
is how I understand it that the Bible is
not in English the word of God but it is
God inspiring man what to
write okay and even as a Muslim I will
say that that sounds fair that sounds
fair to say that because we as Muslims
let's put our our format out there I
think first so people know where we're
coming from CU you got non-muslims
listening to what I'm saying so they
want to know where you're coming from
with what you got well we have the Quran
and the Quran tells us that in fact the
Bible came from God
same thing my father used to say yes but
it doesn't exist in that format anymore
according to the Quran does it says that
the people had changed made changes to
it and man being inspired by whatever he
was inspired by has made his changes to
it and the original doesn't exist but
it's a the Criterion for the Muslim he
has to believe in what is being sent to
Muhammad sah wasam and what was sent
down before this is in the very
beginning of the Quran it says that that
they have to believe in what is ANZ
anill to you Muhammad
sallam before you what was sent before
you and this is referring to theab in
Arabic language kab means a
book okay now what does that got to do
with the Bible Well the word bible
itself is really not an English word it
became English word but it's originally
K Greek it was biblos biblos it means
book literally it's a book so Bible
means the book yeah bibl means a library
mhm and so a place where you keep books
now the book is referred to in the Quran
many times and it's talking about theab
and it even says Allah has his own book
there's a book with Allah La has the
Book of Life is called in Christianity
and that's with the LA and that's
Allah's book it's not what the Quran
it's even bigger than this now just to
uh make a note when you say Allah for
our Christian viewers
non-muslims Allah is the Arabic word for
well you have Arabic Christians yes yes
you have Jewish uh people who are uh
Arabs yeah yes so anybody who's an Arab
they use the word
Allah and there's a reason okay English
is deficient when it comes to religion
really not strong language for religion
and one of the things it has is this
word called
God but in Arabic the word for God is is
il IL not Allah it's IL and that's
anything that's worshiped so we're
saying basically this is if you said my
IL is Allah that's correct my God is
Allah but Allah is the name of that's
the creator of the heavens and earth who
we're talking about also it can't be
made plural yeah IL can be mhm Al Al is
the plural or no gender female gender
you can have gender with il but not with
so just for the people know what we're
talking about now back to the Bible wa
one other point yes go to any hotel or
motel on the planet okay okay and when
you go to the little drawer by the bed
and you open it up what are you going to
find a Bible yep open it take it turn
about six pages and it'll show you the
translations to Arabic and other
languages look at number two which is
Arabic and it will say right there in in
Arabic language for Allah so loved the
world and it uses that so there's the
proof so let's go back to a book where
many people try to live their life by is
this like you said the inspired word of
God or is it is it despire word of man
and how does
someone know that this book is the
guidance for a person to guide to live
his life
by well first and foremost is that God
can guide people by any way he wants to
don't you think yes he can guide people
by a stop sign if he wants to yes he can
guide them with a billboard or the
Yellow Pages certainly he can guide them
with the Bible to what he wants them to
know or not know but the guidance is the
always the key in Islam is from
him in order for the Quran to be
guidance for us there are conditions and
we talked about it in some of our
programs in the past but I just want to
set that out that just because somebody
reads Quran doesn't mean he's
guided and just because he reads the
Bible doesn't mean he's not guided
gotcha okay so but the point about the
Bible is that it doesn't exist today in
the original format we don't have it in
the original the original format doesn't
exist now this is not just Yousef EST is
telling you this this is what I know
from all of the scholars of the Bible
from the Jewish cuz that's the Old
Testament and from the Christians when
that's the New Testament let me lay this
out for you and let you think about
this there are a number of books that
you can go right now Borders Books of
Music uh
amazon.com uh Barnes & Noble MH there
are a number of books that you can go
and get in English explaining clearly
what the bible really is by Bible
scholars yeah I'll mention a couple who
wrote the Bible that's going to be
dealing with the Old Testament by
Richard Elliott fredman now that is
clear when you read that you'll know
that the original Bible zero does not
exist misquoting Jesus is that another
good book don't jump the gun I got some
more stuff for you first the history of
the translations of the Bible to the
English Language by FF Bruce a very
renowned and well-known Christian
scholar say again FF Bruce
just go to look up Bruce B
R it it's something like the history of
the translations of the Bible to the
English language it's a very long title
gotcha and he mentions some of the
things there that and now we're talking
about really died in the W strong
Christians believing in the Bible yet
they have said clearly that they don't
have the original manuscripts do they
know who the authors are who are writing
these books I'm going to come to that
okay you're excited I I'm very excited
yes okay let's let's look at another
point and I want to go now to the book
that you mentioned which is misquoting
Jesus and the author also has lost
christianities his name is Bart Bart
arum yes and he used to be so strong
preaching the Bible and the Bible is the
absolute word of God it was revealed
like this maybe even saying it was
revealed in English I don't know by the
way no Bible could be revealed in
English cuz there was no English
language until 900 years ago 1066 ad
that's when the Normans invaded the
Saxons and that's when they established
the anglan angland England and Anglican
church and anglish language that's when
it started so how could it be any
Prophet ever spoke English no no well
that means everything has to be
translated so when you got a translation
is not the original and when you're not
translating from an original is still
going to be a problem but Bart Aram is
the one who really really I think laid
it out clear clear as it can be cuz he
says in each one of the books that he
writes he always puts this phrase in
there we do not have a copy of a copy of
a copy of a copy of a
copy of anything original from any part
of the Bible and he repeats it he said I
say it five times we don't have even a
copy of a copy that's a copy of a copy
of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy
of a copy of a copy of any anything
that's original we don't know what it
said but now he got that when he was
studying in Princeton and he realized by
the manuscripts that they have now and
the archaeological work that's been done
that in fact there's no way to prove the
Bible said this said that and there's no
argument for against it in reality we're
talking about B Bart Erman who's a
renowned Bible scholar who wrote
misquoting Jesus and lost Christianity
couple take a break and we'll be right
back on the dean
show Muslims believe that every human
being is born clean and pure ready to
submit by nature which means no one will
come on the day of judgment and say oh
God you cannot punish me because you are
the one who created me bad by
nature one of the wonderful things about
Islam is that we do not believe that
human beings were born into some type of
original sin or
curse we believe in fact that the
creator of all God Almighty has written
on the hard drive of every human being
the ability to know him to draw closer
to him and to worship and serve him thus
instead of original sin we as Muslims
believe in original
goodness Muslims believe that people are
born without any inherited sin although
we believe that we are from Adam and
Adam is from Earth we also believe that
if someone has committed a sin or a
crime he should carry the sin on his own
shoulder on the day of judgment not on
the shoulder of his sons or his
grandsons or his great great
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allahar Allah
Allah
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welcome back to the dean show in the
dean show Studio shik Yousef Estus
former Christian preacher Minister we're
talking about the Bible today and we
left off with bark er's book who's a
renowned Bible scholar misquoting Jesus
now please continue on well what we were
talking about is the authenticity of the
Bible more than anything else the Bible
today is not the Bible of Jesus Jesus
did not walk around with the King James
version of the Bible okay nor did Moses
or any of the rest of it in fact a lot
of what was written was written after
Jesus was gone a lot of what was written
was written and made up after was gone
approximately how many years after well
the closest they have to him and this is
the most is some said 12 years after he
was gone but the reality is that it's a
lot more likely to be 50 60 and some of
it even 12 years for the original to
ever become to start actually writing
down to to write some parts of the New
Testament actually were written 120
years after he was gone so is it like me
hearing you say something and then I get
to if I live another 50 years from now
then I start to actually start writing
no there 120 120 you're not going to
live 120 years yeah and even if you did
you'd have been a little baby at the
time and you wouldn't no it means it's
impossible that some of what was written
in the Bible was really Bible at all it
was stuff came up later to try to
resolve issues try to solve problems try
to explain things in words that they
were using because remember they were
trying to preach in Latin yeah and they
were preaching in con Greek mhm that
preaching in in the K Greek was not
their tongue they these followers of
Jesus were originally Jews they were
speaking Hebrew and
Aramaic so all of their stuff that they
was doing that's why there's so much
focus on K Greek but that is not the
language of Jesus nor was it the
language of any of the prophets before
Matthew Mark Luke and John that are
attributed to Jesus who wrote These and
is Jesus speak nobody knows there is no
person named Matthew there was no person
named Mark there's no person named John
no person
uh uh Matthew Mark L John none of them
what it is they had manuscripts that had
code letters on them but to give it a
personal effect what they said was well
we know some things about the author and
for instance Matthew they said it seems
that he was probably a levite and the
Levites were Tax Collectors it looks
like he was a tax collector looks like
he was and they basically fabricated up
in their minds or exaggerated in their
minds who this person might have been
and gave him a name to fit the character
that they were coming up with and that's
where the name comes from same for Lucas
which became Luke Marcus which is Mark
the and the oldest of the of these four
gospels is considered to be for more all
intents and purposes is The Book of Mark
and it is based on an older book
according to Scholars a book called Q
they referred it as they used to
referred all of them by these letters
and it was called q and they don't know
what is Q they've lost that a long time
ago mhm few more questions before we
come to a close so again is the Bible
God's word did God reveal this book The
Bible for a guidance for mankind to live
by yes the Bible was definitely origin
well yes but it's the same for the Quran
the Quran in the original language is
what we have to go by if you've got a
translation of Quran that's not fair to
say that's the Quran is it mhm is it no
no and so that's not fair to say it
about Quran or the Bible what you want
to know is what do we have that's
authentic so we don't have the authentic
information the authentic uh book that
was revealed today if somebody does they
should bring it we' be happy the whole
world would be really happy to see it so
now if I'm listening to this program and
I've dedicated my life to like you you
actually dedicated your life to the
Bible and you found these things out do
does a person continue on uh going I
want discourage anybody Eddie I don't
want to discourage anybody and we have
to I don't like to make it look like oh
your Bible's all wrong and then leave
Christianity because then what will they
do they become an atheist that's what
happened to Bam he became an atheist he
told me I I talked to him myself and I
asked him to come and be on a show with
us he said no I've given up on religion
totally now why because he's so
disappointed what he found out I don't
want to disappoint people I want to make
it clear that we didn't come here on
this show we didn't come here to talk
about uh putting down the Bible putting
down Christianity putting down Jesus W
he would never do that we love Jesus and
we do believe in the original Bible and
we love the Christians more than any
other Faith group out there they're
closest to us yes what we want to say is
guys if you want to know what the real
Bible said it's still in Quran because
Allah quotes the Bible himself in the
Quran so if you want to know it's not
far off for instance the expression
worship my God and your God worship my
Lord and your Lord this is still
preserved today in the Arabic language
Jesus is the Messiah this is in the
Quran Jesus is the miracle birth this is
in Quran Jesus is the son of Mary and
she was a virgin this is in Quran Mary
is the best of women this is in Quran
and Jesus is um somebody very important
to God he is a very loved and very
special and he has a special place so
much so in the Quran he's named five
times more than Muhammad isn't there a
chapter named after his mother yes
chapter 19 chapter 19 S maram so we love
Jesus and if I say look I don't believe
in Jesus all the other I'm not a Muslim
no not only that you're not a Muslim if
you don't believe in Jesus as the
Messiah as the word of God is he's the
word of Allah he is the r he is the
spirit coming from Allah it says this
and when Allah created him he said and
he is so he is literally the word of God
the word becomes flesh we have no
problem with that the difference it
comes in we'll do that in another
program we'll have to talk about what's
the difference that we have but we
toally believe in so many of the things
we want to show where's the
compatibility where we can agree to
agree and where we can agree to disagree
I think on those subjects but let's come
back to the Bible before we have to wrap
up the whole show the Bible today has
too many versions for anybody to take it
serious in English to be an original I
mean you'd have to really stretch your
imagination to imagine all these
different translations but I wanted to
say this one thing that in the revised
Standard Version of the Bible which was
published about 1953 the preface to it
made it real clear to me as a small
boy because it says in it many good
things about the the King James version
and the you know the the eloquence of it
in the Cadence of speech in it in the
poetry and the guidance and many good
things but then it says yet the King
James version has Grave defects g a ve
grave defacts to the extent that it must
be retranslated based on some of these
old manuscripts and it tells you in
details in there and I have several
copies if anyone want to read it I have
a website that they can go to and read
Bible a closer look Bible a closer look
and the website's called 911 Bible 911
Bible 911 bible.com now when you hear
something on the news that your car is
being uh recalled back for a defect you
run back to return this car you got a
problem here they're telling us that the
Bible has Grave defects so many and so
serious is the call for a vision that's
what the United churches the the
churches Christ they came together they
came and they said we this is so serious
is that we have got to come up with a
new translation where could someone
verify this and see this if they need
well it's on my website you 9111 Bible
911 Bible we're going to have to come to
an end oh no tell us really quickly for
someone now who's you know you got their
attention and they they they want to
know okay now what's this Quran talk
about what's the message of Islam can
you tell the people uh what's the the
main thing that Islam is calling the
people
to the main thing that the Quran calls
to is the same thing the Bible called to
and that's why I'm going to tell you for
sure you can find compatibility the
first commandment in the Bible in the
Old Testament Exodus chapter 20
Deuteronomy chapter 5 so know oh Israel
the Lord your God is one Lord and you
have to worship him with all your heart
all your mind and all your strength Thou
shalt not have any other gods beside God
in the New Testament clearly stating
again to the greatest commandment they
asked Jesus what it is he said is to
know oh Israel the Lord your God is one
and you have to worship him or love him
with all your heart all your mind and
all your strength the repetition of what
we found in chapter 6 in Deuteronomy and
then now we look to the Quran and we
find Allah said he only created us in
the first place to worship him and to
worship him alone without partners
that there's only one God worthy of any
worship which is Allah and he has no
Partners one that's the most important
message of all of these works not his
creation the first the first Testament
called the they call Old Testament the
second one the big one they call the New
Testament and the last testament which
is Quran all say the same thing worship
the Creator not his Creations I'd like
to thank you again for being on the dean
show and we'll see you again do it we'll
do it again God willing
we'll see you again Alum peace be unto
you