hello Michael
like the bismillah alhamdulillah Salam
alaikum peace be unto you welcome to the
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welcome to the bee show thank you for
coming on to detail hum to the law all
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coming out how are you doing my pleasure
it's good
everything's fine I'm travelling around
and stopped up in Chicago and found you
on the little lock so we brought you on
the D show today we want to ask you a
few questions we heard that you weren't
always milonga have you how long ago did
you accept this would be Campbell some
fifteen years ago at the age of 20 at
the age of 20 and before this you were I
was a Christian were you a practicing
Christian not really but I was raised in
that environment I was somewhat of a
practicing Christian as a Christian
would you believe I believed in the
Trinity and you know what this was yeah
definitely Moses you know if you ever
hear the Bible yeah my grandfather was a
preacher he founded a Christian college
so okay as far as knowledge I had a lot
of knowledge of Christianity so you
believed in the Trinity yeah the whole
nine yards original sin okay somebody
Octus offense
yeah the Lamb of God the whole nine
yards okay so somebody would say like
men so from a point of view of literacy
I was very literate yeah just my issue
is I didn't believe it so I didn't
practice so can somebody say look this
brother didn't know his Bible this
brother didn't know there's Christianity
that I want to I want to church three
times a week three times a week yeah
okay so and what point in your life did
you make
I would say early on as a youngster when
I first started learning about the
concept of the Trinity and just not
being able to digest that God could be
three or one of three that there was a
lamb who had to be sin to die for my
sins who's this lamb you're talking
about Jesus Jesus when I had studied
even in the church basically the Old
Testament that god almighty is the one
who forgives sins and he's the
all-powerful magnificent awesome God so
I was like their two gods there's a god
of the Old Testament and there's a new
Pauline type God which appears in the in
passages in the New Testament so this
started to not make sense to you
yeah immediately it didn't make system
yet as soon as I heard it it did make
sense did you go up to your higher up
some of the priests I went to my mother
and I asked her you know we believe that
Jesus the Son of God he died for our
sins he's a sacrificial lamb she said
yes and I said and that's the key for so
that's the key to salvation baptism is
the key to salvation and she said yes
then I said well what about the prophets
who preceded him who didn't believe in
him they didn't you know they didn't let
you know Abraham prayed to one God Moses
prayed to one God Jesus himself didn't
didn't ever acknowledge he he was God he
prayed to God himself
so what's the deal she couldn't explain
it okay now from here what role did you
start to lead did you leave Christianity
did you go and start to investigate oh
that means definitely we can say all
religions have a lot of beneficial
things about them yeah especially in the
area of character and so on so anyone
who turns his back from any tradition
religious tradition is it going to is
going to collapse ethically for the most
part so I went into kind of a gang
lifestyle hip-hop lifestyle drugs
I heard regen your DJ yeah yeah DJing
and so on and so forth and became really
immersed into that that subculture at
that time hip-hop was definitely a
subculture wasn't you know like you see
it now everywhere so tell me this okay
so we got away from the concept of God
being a Trinity okay this didn't make
sense
and the whole thing was it difficult
because you had a one-way ticket a
ticket now as Christians believe if I
take jesus is my Lord and Savior it's
finished I got a free ride
how is some for some people's hard -
dysentery that lotto ticket
no no doubt that it was a tough decision
to make theologically because I was
raised that way for so long so I
actually took three years to become US I
didn't become Muslim in like you know
and a fly-by-night thing I sat down and
read the Quran read a few books about it
how'd you get a hold of the Quran I went
to the library and checked it out but
was there something because was there a
stigma and at that time like there is a
day about Islam that again because of
hip-hop I was pretty culture illiterate
yeah I knew what the Quran was by
listening to hip-hop so I knew that it
was double killer Muslims and I just
wanted to go reading so it's something
just you were searched and there was
always a feeling in the streets that
persons were right it was a feeling
fortunately that's changed now because
many Muslims are engaged in bad things
yeah in all areas especially in the bad
neighborhoods where they're seven poor
can be risen to people that image has
been kind of hurt but in those days we
because of Malcolm X specifically in
this conversion we saw Muslims is like
our last anchor for like salvation and
to get ourselves correct we always said
look man if you want to get yourself
correct go with the Muslims over there
yeah just straight you out uh-huh
so this what happened you wanted to get
straighten out or you were looking to
get straightened out I mean that life
was kind of a mess sir I had success as
far as material success but internally I
was very empty so I was you know asking
myself why do you feel depressed why do
you feel sad if you have you know girls
the money the DJ in the clubs the Bloods
the gang I belong to everything is going
well but why internally do you feel this
emptiness and then I realize that the
only way to quench that spiritual thirst
was to race and discover who the Creator
was can God be a man is that possible
for God to be a man no not alone why is
that because God is unlike his creation
if we make God like its creation will
start to work his work worship his
creation but the one one has the right
to be worshipped has to be unique
different than everything else it can be
like his creation because Allah says no
from an well let me a cool level poof or
not there's nothing like God you cannot
make God's image that's why in the Old
Testament it says do not make my image
don't try to make the image of that so
if we make him creation the first
colorist
question is excuse me the first question
is what color is he what does he look
like so you go to church for example you
see Ricky Martin is God you go to
another church it's it's you know very
white you go to another church in it's
Axl Rose who's God so when we may got a
man we immediately create injustice in
society by making one man better than
another minute
and tell me now you said that God can't
be a man that's quite simple and in
Islam it clearly differentiates God from
his creation that's correct
okay how about God having a son can God
have a son no we cannot because the same
argument applies if he has a son then
that makes him like his creation then
what color was his son what did he look
like
what was his shape what language did he
speak okay so immediately when we throw
that into the mix we allow other human
beings to be ingest
to other human beings that's the whole
doctrine of sham that you see in the Old
Testament where people say that the
black man is cursed or the white man is
cursed because they were the sons of
Noah and then Jesus came and this led
basically to some you know some very
sick ideologies and philosophies but a
few more points and then we'll come to a
close
tell us what is Islam but before that
real quick you mentioned the word Allah
what is this for someone who's never
heard this term Allah what is this young
Allah is the Arabic word for God and
it's a little bit different than the
English word because it cannot be given
a feminine tense or plural tense you
just say Allah you can say Allah like a
woman or laws with an S or an es and
also it means the absolute you
possessor of attributes and qualities
which nothing is even remotely like
unique awesome in his in his power
extremely merciful
this is Allah the one who has the right
to be worshipped the name itself means
the one was the right to be worshipped
it is right because we see people
worshiping things all the time brother
worship and drugs Washington cars watch
different girls worship and fame washing
their bodies when we work out you see
all them guys looking in the mirror it
just lifted weights not even change man
there's not that much blood being pumped
into your muscles right now but the idea
of worship is innate to the human being
we've been created to worship so if we
don't worship the Creator will worship
something else and that leads to
destruction so allah the name is the one
one has the right to be worshipped alone
subhana wa top makes perfect sense
tell us what is Islam say about this
crucifixion and this someone dying for
your sake number one we respect other
religions and when we talk about them we
shouldn't be rude or aggressively now
Allah says what is so good Lizzy near
the Ottoman duty laughs is so bullheaded
in the Quran it says you are forbidden
to insult other people's got absolutely
so when we're talking about this is this
for the sake of information but of
course as you know the Quran clearly
states wanna cut that Oh Who am I saw
them over what I can show the other that
they did not crucify Jesus they did not
they did not fulfill their dream of
crucifying but it was only an image or a
likeness of Jesus so we do not believe
that he was crucified he was raised to
the heavens he's been upon him and he
will be
sent back not as a prophet or the Son of
God but as a human being and as a member
of the Muslim community toward the end
of time what about this original sin or
someone dying for your sins we believe
an original goodness brother we don't
believe in original sin we're not going
to give a mother an excuse for killing
somebody we're not going to give a
madman who goes out of harms people with
molest little children recently I saw a
man you killed a nine-year-old girl
that's why terrorism and Islam is for
business forbidden to kill people those
people could not use as an excuse that
they were born into original sin we say
no you're born into original goodness
what you do with yourself and there's a
book now by a guy named mark Hauser from
the University of from from our Verne
called the moral minds and he says every
human being is equipped with what with a
natural moral compass which leads them
to be good people if they if they
develop them so we don't believe in
original sin you know a few old money
and I own money hey you got to take care
of your own your own debt I have to take
care of my own pit
it's not fair to blame you for my debt
that will be injustice and God is not
unjust yes we can go on and on with all
these and we're just trying to hit some
points to give you a beautiful taste
about Islam tell us brother what is so
unique about it's not because we hear
that so many people women are coming to
Islam you're more than men is that so
with Islam what's so unique about this
one thing is first of all the propaganda
or the negative actions of Muslims out
there creating people's mind the
nightmare image of what Muslims are at
home Wilson's are but once they get
close to our community they you know
they eat some chicken bones with this
man and hang out what else they see how
we are they see that we're you know
people from the community we're here
working for the good of America we're
not out here to harm anyone and do
anything wrong it kind of flips them out
and that causes them to say man these
people are actually really nice decent
people very loving people concern people
because Islam is pushing us now
to be good to our Lord but the other
important aspect of Islam is to be good
to its creation no matter who they are
once a Jewish man his funeral press by
the Prophet as related by Imam Abu Hadi
and the Prophet stood up and the
companion said how could you stand up he
said this is a soul this is a human
being so when people see that we're not
the terrorists you know Archaea type
this on TV the madman is going to jump
on a plane and do something wrong or
harm someone you know they're shocked
and then they want to learn and they see
man they believe in Abraham they believe
in Joseph they believe in Mary they
would even in David and Solomon I didn't
know that they only believed in some
Arab guy you know and then they don't
want to kill us they you know they don't
hate the white man so they see all of
the truth things about Islam the
simplicity of Islam to worship God to
pray to be good to others and they fall
for it man because they say wow this is
the truth so these things touch my heart
and I already know these things I can
imagine someone who's really got a
sincere heart and open mind I mean this
just goes down easy does Islam have
anything to do with terrorism not at all
Islam does not have anything to do with
terrorism and we we categorically
denounce without any any reservation are
acts of indiscriminate violence all over
the world in America or in any foreign
land any any act that's committed
against innocent civilians and innocent
people is completely forbidden
understand tell us what the Prophet said
that a woman who killed a cat she
tortured her cat like now we have
Michael Vick right know he's in trouble
for torture and dogs I was thinking the
Prophet told the woman who tortured the
cat like the woman who has this quality
she doesn't repent she's going to go to
hell if that's the case of a cat brother
what about human beings who live around
us every day
you said prophet a few times and then he
said peace be upon him so a sort of what
for someone's like prophet who they
talking about this prophet can you
explain was wroth of Muhammad and all of
the prophets we believe had the same
message when did this missiles of greedy
he died he was alive in the 7th century
after Jesus peace be upon this has
nothing to do with Elijah Muhammad
anything on this is Elijah Muhammad no
none of this no that reflects Muhammad
the 15 to none under this is 1400 years
ago 1800 years ago what did this man
bring and what did he call the people -
he brought a mercy as his mentioned
ronnie was sent as a mercy to humanity
and he brought justice to people he
brought equality to people he brought
the message of one God to the people and
he brought the idea that in order to be
a good worshipper of God you have to be
also good to the people
both of these are combined that's why he
said arsenicum a man and i sent him from
who local the best of you in faith are
the best of you in character so he
didn't just bring the Pharisee local
understanding of religion but he revived
the message of all of the prophets to
serve God and serve the people around
you if you come fulfill both of those
you got it maintenance so that's the
main message of Islam to worship your
Lord with all your heart one God yes and
if you go to the people and be good to
the people in creation until we're going
to cut out just a couple more questions
tell us now for the person that okay
he's born Christian he's born in this
faith or whatever like I said we're
trying to educate the people because
there's a lot of distortion out there
about Islam but tell us for the persons
as you know what I'm going to take a
little bit from the Christianity I'm
going to take a little bit from what I
think you know is the best way to get to
God is this acceptable because you see
that a lot of what you call this you
precise if you prescribed recognize
really I don't want to be for any
organizer if you prescribed ecumenical
if you prescribed your own religion for
yourself that you became God you become
a guy for your God because you're the
one dictating what's right and what's
wrong but you have to submit you have to
yet look there are certain things that I
just don't understand and don't know and
I need to rely on a higher power to
teach me how to surfing but if I go to
the restaurant right if I go to the
restaurant I make up my own menu I'm not
gonna get served I might say I want to
look hey I want some catfish deep-fried
with some broccoli and some rice and
they don't serve it so I'll be sitting
there all night long with the empty
plate so although I might have
visualized in my mind some
is not reality reality is you have to
submit to us on menu and what's on the
menu here is what God Almighty has
prescribed because he knows better he
knows better than we do we have to
forfeit Allah Allah woman is a locker
wahoo what a default of unicron
necessity there's God not know more than
you about you about your situation he
knows what's better for you so we have
to forfeit the desires brother and the
arrogance and submit ourselves to our
Creator and that's not easy check this
out another thing that's not easy all
these religious claiming this is the way
how do you get someone away from all
this and how do you get someone to to
acknowledge that this is actually a
religion a way of life I like to call it
from the Creator I have no problem with
someone comparing religions go ahead and
compare that's fine go go in and read
but for us you say very clearly number
one the message of Islam is clear and
easy for anyone to understand number two
the message of Islam with regards to
other people is very clear and easy to
understand number three if someone
researches the Quran researches the
statements of the Prophet they will not
find one in accuracy in the Quran or one
in accuracy in the statements of the
Prophet peace be upon him and that right
there is enough to lead you you don't
have enough run the gospel according to
this person and the gospel according to
this person this is the book of Allah
benefits before we cook we want to know
people want to know what's up if I'm
going to submit I'm going to give up all
the women and all the good times you
know I'm young I'm strong and I'm ready
to go but now you're talking about
submitting and you know leaving all
these good times what's in it for me in
this life in here are those really good
times that's the first question we used
to come home drinking wine thought we
had some good times got in right at 5:00
a.m. another club closed it - yeah felt
like a wreck yes okay and then later on
in your life you start getting sick
because of how you lived your life so
number one of those really good times
are those just perceive good times
there's a woman who goes to the club and
gets used by a different guy every week
this is really a good time a woman who
watch her on with no clothes on and
people are salivating over her but she's
a piece of hamburger meat in the window
is this really a good time look at
Britney Spears look at Lindsay Lohan
look at the finest women so so so-called
finest women in America Beyonce look at
their lives they're cracking in front of
our very eyes going to drug rehab having
problems with the children we pray to
God that God will help them to be good
mothers but we're seeing in front of our
eyes those people who had the best of
signs are those really the best at time
those words the time so let's ask
ourselves are these really the best in
terms of we make our desires and our
passions of God who's not the best of
times
so by overcoming your desires and
gaining some self-discipline you gain a
feeling that you never had before of
serving your food for the person now
that is penetrated his heart and he's
like what do I do now how does someone
become a muscle easiest to get in
contact with someone but before this
that all's you have to do is say I bear
witness that there's no god but God and
that Muhammad is the messenger
in the arabic a shadow that city
simpleness closing comments for
obviously I just want to encourage
people to get to know their Muslim
neighbors let's spend some time with us
you'll see Allah God willing a good good
communities a very very beneficial
community for the people here in America
and may God bless every brother I like
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unto you I believe there is no god but
Allah