My next guest went to Mecca.
This is the when I was in Mecca and uh
we have to go seven times and
says he was a Muslim from Yemen.
I was going around the black stone
asking the question is the creator lives
in this house?
And I start to ask this big question is
the creator lives in this house?
He says he traveled miles to see him
Allah the creator in the stone the
cabba.
I traveled miles to see him in this
stone. He was extremely disappointed
that he didn't find God Almighty, the
creator in the Cabba.
And I said in my mind, this is human
being made. This is not from God.
So much so that he allegedly left Islam
and is now a Christian evangelist
missionary.
So I gave up my Islamic faith in in
Mecca straight away.
Let's go ahead and meet Yemen and find
out more.
You're
like
give you a glimpse of the first chapter
with my next guest, John. How are you?
I am doing well. Thank you so much for
having me.
You're welcome. So, you're originally
from Yemen, huh?
Yes, I am from Yemen. I was born and
raised in Yemen into a devoted Muslim
family.
Yeah, Yemenes. Uh I've met many Yemenes
and very nice people. Very hospitable.
The Yemeni people are very nice. Very
very nice soft people from what I've
met.
Yes. Yemen, especially Yemen food. Uh
Yemen Yemenes they are proud of their
food and their dress as well. Uh I'm not
sure if you see some of my videos even I
when I Yemen Yemen dress and this is how
I evangelize to my people as well when I
share about Jesus Christ I dress the
Yemen dress and I tell them I can be
Yemen and I can be Christian.
Well that's what caught our attention. I
want to get into this uh this video of
yours and then we'll take it from there.
This is when I was in Mecca and uh we
have to go seven times and I was going
around the black stone and I start to
ask this big question is the creator
lives in this house. I traveled miles to
see him in this stone and I said in my
mind this is human being made. This is
not from God. I can't bow to stone.
That's adultery. If there is God, he's
he's more he's beautiful God. So I give
up my Islamic faith in in Mecca straight
away. That was very big.
So what was that? That's the the Cabba
you're holding up.
Yes. So this is uh uh the Kaa Mecca
which uh the most holy place of the most
holy thing in Islam.
Mhm. So in there what caught my
attention was that you said that
what were you saying? You went to Mecca
and then you saw the Cabba and then you
said
is the creator lives in this house?
because I was seeking because I grew up
as a Muslim and uh you know in Islam
they taught me how to pray, how to fast,
how to worship Allah every day um like
repetitive every day. I used to pray
five times a day and there is a time uh
when I was at the university 2014 I
start to doubt about Islam and they
start to ask the leaders and the imams
uh you know about my eternity about
eternal life and they told me Muhammad
you born as a Muslim you die as a Muslim
you just follow you just uh earn your
salvation that's mean pray every day so
and they scared me of course And uh when
I get the chance to go to Mecca, the
most holy place of Islam, Saudi Arabia,
I went there and I was I was happy
because I was I was I was I was like
seeking the truth. I was I wanted to
have this relation with him. So when I
went to and among among um millions of
Muslims was going around the house of
Allah
seven times as a circle and I said this
is manmade. This is this is not from
God. If there is God this is not from
him. So I I realized this is this is not
for me. This is idolatry. So I give up
Islam in front of Caba.
Tell me will I
Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Yeah. Because God is spirit. If God is
beyond our understanding, he's he is he
is he's like he's everything.
Tell me this. So you used to pray five
times a day.
Yes, I used to pray five times a day. Uh
they might do Do you still remember some
of this a lot? Like when you would make
uh when you would make prostration
sagda, what would you say in in sagda?
When I when I like
what did you call it?
Uhhuh.
And you know what that you know what
that means, right?
Yeah. Like uh God is
is above everything. Allah above
everything.
Yeah. So if Allah God is above
everything, we know he's not in the
Cabba. So you know when we see that as
Muslims we know that hold on there's a
deficiency here in the person's
understanding because if you say that
look I'm not worshiping this I came here
to worship this cabba thinking that I'm
worshiping the cabba and that god is in
the cabba
and I start to ask this big question is
the creator lives in this house
that's a big misunderstanding a big
deficiency and any Muslim who believes
that is really not technically a Muslim.
You know what I mean? Because you like
when you say subhan Allah like you just
said say that's Allah is above. He's the
most high. He's above his creation. He's
not literally in the creation. He's not
in the cabba. So when you watch that
video it makes it seem like you thought
that God the creator is in the actual
cabba.
Is the creator lives in this house?
Like that's what you thought. So I I
thought maybe if I if we discuss and now
you know you understood properly because
you know you were I don't know if you
were taught that or you somehow I don't
know how you came to that understanding
that God is in the cabba that Allah is
in there which is
is the creator lives in this house
that's false it's totally false
but but as I as I' mentioned before it's
about spiritual because Islam is not a
spiritual So I didn't tell him. I didn't
encounter him. I was seeking him. I told
I was seeking him and is one of the the
most holy place and every Muslim at
least he should go there at least once
and uh well you know encounter Allah but
I didn't. So this is why I give up
Islam. I said this is man-made.
You can call it whatever you you want.
But you you get what I'm saying? Like in
the in the video you're saying that I
thought that Allah was
is the creator lives in this house
in the Cabba. You're saying Allah is in
the Cabba that you're worshiping the
Cabba because he's in do you you
understand the difference right that
Allah you know is not this is a this is
the first house of worship built by
Abraham to commemorate the worship of
one and only one God who's not in the
Cabba. You can actually go inside the
Cabba. You can pray pray inside of the
cabba. You can pray on top of the cabba.
You can so even if the cabba is
destroyed, you can still you know that
doesn't destroy Allah. Allah is above
like you said subhanahu glory be to my
lord the most high. So this is very
important and it it sends a a it sends a
message like when you watch this video
that like Muslims worship the Cabba and
that we believe Allah is like a idol in
the Cabba. is the creator lives in this
house. Yeah, but is is the center you
know it's one of the five pillars this
Mecca is every Muslim he goes there and
he kissed this the black stone and as
you said Ibraim was Ibrahim who was the
one who built this. So for me of course
I this is the house of Allah when I say
B what I mean b Allah the house of so of
course I went there I was so excited but
when I went there I didn't anything so
who is to blame here
Allah who is he
I didn't say it again I'm sorry I didn't
I didn't it cut out what did you say
so you know this is faith Allah
You collect in Islam bait Allah.
When I get to chance when I was a Muslim
to go to B Allah, I encounter him in the
way in super power way. But no, but
nothing happened. So this is realized.
He is not a this is not from him. This
is manmade. This is idolatry.
And this is how I give Islam.
But don't blame me. I'm the one who
created this one and who command them to
worship this one. This Makkah. So not
me.
But that but that's the point I'm trying
to explain that Muslims no Muslim is
going to say that he worships the Kaba.
This is like um very fundamental in
Islam. Do you know you know the six
articles of faith in Islam?
Which one?
The six articles of faith. Do you know
the six articles of faith?
I don't know them in Arabic.
No, I'm asking I'm asking in English.
The six articles of faith.
The six articles.
Yeah.
To be a Muslim. To be a Muslim, you have
to believe in the six articles of faith.
Every Muslim,
you know, the shih you mean and salah,
the zak,
that's the five pillars.
That's the five pros with the six
articles of faith.
You seem confused there.
Okay. Mention them.
Mention them.
I mean, please mention them to me.
Yeah. To believe. This is the very crust
of belief. This is like in your heart.
So people who are watching, this is what
Muslims believe. So you do the six, you
believe in these six articles of faith
and then you start the actions, the
pillars. So the belief in one and only
one God. This is like pure absolute
monotheism. This is like so if someone
violates this everything else crumbles
after that you believe in the angels,
you believe in the books that were
revealed. You believe in the messengers
that were sent. You believe in the day
of judgment hereafter paradise hellfire.
And you believe in the this is the
predestiny that God is not ignorant of
anything. He knows all this is
predestiny. So in the uh the first
article of faith the pure absolute
monotheism tohed
you learn these basic principles that
you're talking about now. And if you
learn those and you're well grounded in
them then you don't think at all that
okay Allah is in the cabba
is the creator lives in this house.
I'm worshiping this black stone because
they'll take you outside of Islam. I
just want you to um just understand this
is very basic 101 Islam and you know
what Islam means right?
Submission
uh peace acquired by submission to the
will of the creator. This is what Islam
means. So when we're submitting our will
to the will of the creator, we're not
submitting our will to the Cabba
or anything in creation. Nothing. Not a
black stone, not a black cube, nothing
in creation. We're actually doing what
Jesus did, submitting to the creator up
above.
I just want I just want to clear these
misunderstandings. I just want to clear
these misunderstandings to see our
position. This is what uh Muslims
believe. And
of course, I do respect you. I respect
your show as well. And uh
and like as well is my testimony as
well. I as I told you before I didn't
see this is like from God and I didn't
see God require us to bow down to a
stone and uh like and this is where out
of respect uh Muslims they bow down to
the black day so I don't part of it so I
don't want to be part of worship because
you say I worship Allah but in the same
one creator but in the same time you bow
I want to why you don't worship him in
truth and spirit. This is what Jesus
Christ said. Jesus Christ said, "Worship
me in truth and spirit." And when I give
my life to Jesus Christ, I found the
truth because Jesus Christ, Jesus
Christ, he said on the cross, it's
finished. He said it's finished.
That's mean for me and for the is free.
So by his grace, he died. He gave blood
for our sins and he rose again and life.
So why I have to follow religions
or Buddhist or any other things and give
me access to heaven just to accept him
and to follow him and to give him your
heart and to live for him and this is
what I do.
Did did you know that
this is like my
go ahead.
Yeah. Yeah. Th this is what
this is my testimony. This is like my
testimony. You know I I respect Muslims
you know Islam you know that as a
religion you know into it but um you
know it's not for me. I it's not for me
and and and that and that's uh
everyone has the free choice to make
their own decisions and they'll be
accountable. That's why we have the day
of judgment. So now now the thing is
that the the only thing here is that is
the represententation of facts verse
fiction. That that's the main thing here
is just trying to help the audience and
people have seen that understand that
Muslims don't worship the Cabba. We
don't worship uh anything in creation
but we only worship the creator. This is
um and anything any creation worship
like worshiping if we worship Muhammad
or Jesus or anything other than the
creator. This would take someone outside
of that submission to the will of God
Islam. So we're we are pure we are pure
absolute monotheist. This is what Islam
calls humanity to to only worship the
one God.
He worship Yahweh the God of the Bible
Jesus Christ. And this Yahweh
on human flesh and he he died on the
cross and he rose again. As I told you,
he sacrificed his his body for our sins
because I am a sinner. You are a sinner.
Everybody
sinner and we need a savior. And this is
why I give my life to the Lord Jesus
Christ. And everybody should hear this
news, the good news. Because we don't
have the good the bad news. We have
news. And the good news Jesus Christ
came and he died on the cross and he
rose again. So I respect you but mindful
and thank you so much for having me.
Sorry. Sorry you're you're you're
breaking up. Uh you mentioned Jesus. You
know that in Islam it's a one of the
when I said the articles of faith
to believe and love Jesus. you know that
it looks like he uh he left us.
Looks like uh John, what happened? We
were just getting into the discussion.
Um had some more questions for John, let
me touch upon some before he ran off. He
said, "We're all sinners." This is
totally true. We're sinners. We make
mistakes. He said, "We got the good
news, the bad news, and Jesus came, rose
again, died for your sins." Look, let me
just make this very clear. There's
nothing that you will find where Jesus
peace be upon him unequivocally lucidly
clearly said that look I am the creator.
I am God one and trinity and I'm coming
to die for mankind's sins. And if you
don't believe that I sacrificed my life
and I died for you. I shed blood for
you. You're going to you're going to
go to the hellfire. You're not going to
find that anywhere. It's not there. But
uh it looks like
he left.
Why'd you leave, John? We were just
getting started. I was being very
respectful uh letting you speak. Um just
trying to articulate and clearly help
the audience understand because when
they see his video out there, it sets
off an impression that Muslims worship
the Cabba
is the creator lives in this house
which we don't. We worship the creator
of the heavens and earth.
And anyone worshiping this Cabba would
end up in hellfire.
So Islam is a continuation of the same
religion of Adam. Continuing on to Noah,
Moses and all the prophets, they called
humanity not to worship
stick, stones, and bones, nothing in
creation, but the creator of the heavens
and earth. Then you come to Jesus and I
was just about to uh because he
mentioned Jesus before he uh he just
left. Seems like uh he ran off. That was
a very short
uh we were supposed to talk some more.
But I don't understand when you're
giving these facts and you're presenting
people with the truth. Seems like he
didn't want to hear it. What happened? I
I really thought the conversation was
very respectful,
but we were trying to um when asking him
about for example the six articles of
faith and then if you start to seem like
he got very uncomfortable when we start
to ask him questions about Islam, it's
you can see that his there is really he
he really didn't know Islam. He really
wasn't practicing Islam. So when I
investigated this individual and he
could have easily stayed on, we could
have cleared this up, but we see that it
seems like you have a lot of these
people who are fake Muslims or
pretending and they're they're drawing
people in with these fake stories
and they're fooling Christians out
there. So, and I think here you you have
one of those situations where you have
this person, he flies out
to Mecca makes this video as if Muslims
worship the Cabba and now when the truth
comes and he's asked certain questions
like for example the six articles of
faith,
anyone who's a Muslim knows the six
articles of faith. He was confused. He
was like, "What?
What is that?" I mean, right off of the
bat there, it tells you that he wasn't
really a Muslim because if you don't
know
the core belief of Islam, how are you
going to be a Muslim? And it's sad to
see that he's
um conning people out there with this
story of him being a uh an ex-Muslim who
when you look at his
life,
did he actually live Islam? No. Did he
truly understand it? No. He was
worshiping the Cabba. He was he was
thinking that God was in the Cabba. So
there was no Islam really for him. So
naturally,
if there's no Islam for you, you're not
living it. You're doing opposite. So
you're actually he was doing opposite to
what Islam. And that's what I was I was
trying to help the audience cuz I people
like this. I don't think he's interested
in the truth. He's got a con game going.
He's conning people. He's out there
being called to share this falsehood and
people are clapping, dancing,
and really there's no substance there.
It's empty. It's all based on a lie.
And I was hoping that we can dig deeper
and see if there's any any truth there,
but uh it doesn't seem like so. He ran
off before we can even go a little
deeper because he was very uncomfortable
when I asked those very basic questions
about Islam. He didn't know. He didn't
know. So,
I hope that cleared up things for those
who really want to know the truth. And
some of the other things that I I I
wanted to um discuss with him was Jesus,
peace be upon him. If you didn't know,
Muslims love and rever Jesus as the
Messiah.
uh one who will return in the second
coming who did miracles defended his
mother's honor as a child. This is his
first miracle
belief that uh Jesus
called people to pure absolute
monotheism like all the preceding
messengers and you cannot be a Muslim
unless you believe and love Jesus. So
that was another commonality that we
have is very important.
He also in his story he he talks about
how
Islam
in his bio there taught that questioning
faith is dangerous. I mean this we
didn't get a chance to ask him about
that but that's that's another lie.
When I as I've interviewed people over
the years, that was one of the things
that brought people to Islam is that
when they would go asking about trinity
or why we believe this, the priests and
preachers, you can go try this yourself.
Uh they just you got to have faith when
it comes down to it. They try to give
these examples that really don't make
sense. making God from being one into
three and three and one and many of
these other concepts that just go
against our fra our nature and then you
start to ask questions and they they
don't make sense and then they're told
just to believe. But here in his his bio
he states that Islam taught that
questioning faith was dangerous
and that's totally false. That's that's
another lie there, Mr. John,
that Islam encourages people to question
to ask
and that's how you're going to get to
the truth. And that's why we have 1
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Ask your questions. What's the purpose
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that the Quran is the verbatim words of
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do we know? How do we know that Prophet
Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon
him, is indeed the final messenger sent
for all of mankind? Let us see some of
these prophecies.
Let us see some of these miracles that
you Muslims claim. Prove to us how the
Quran has been preserved. Go ahead,
explain the six articles of faith. Does
that make sense? Explain to us the five
pill explain to us the pure. Why do you
believe that you guys are the only true
monotheists today? Why? Ask your
questions, misconceptions that you have.
So when he when he says that, this is
something that's uh totally uh false. So
I guess uh that's it. Our guest ran off.
He took off. I was looking forward to
having a nice discussion. We were just
getting started. He just abruptly took
off.
Um
I don't know what happened. ran off Mr.
John.
But uh you got to be really looking at
yourself and those people who are
believing this man. I mean there's so
many con artists out there. He's
spreading lies, misinformation about
Islam and this story is a hoax.
Uh it's a hoax because anybody again I
repeated this so many times who believes
that God Almighty the creator Allah who
by the way Jesus peace be upon him he
would say Allah
in Aramaic he spoke Aramaic Jesus spoke
Aramaic look this up he would say Allah
sounds very much like Allah Christians
who are also
they can be from Yemen they can be
they're Arabic speakaking Christians
they say Allah Allah is actually in the
Arabic Bible this is God, the one
creator of the heavens and earth. You
want to say Yahweh, you want to say
Allah has 99 plus in a limited amount of
beautiful names. He's the most loving,
the most merciful, the just, the one who
wants to guide you. So ask him alone for
guidance. And you're going to have to
stand in front of the most just for
these lies, spreading this, deceiving
the people. Mr. John and others people
like that who at the end it's about the
dollar, about the money they conjure up.
They know it's a big business. They can
go ahead and share these fake stories
and get people l dancing and clapping
and and it suits their agenda. But at
the end there's no substant substance to
it. When you sit down and you actually
they talk with a someone who has a basic
understanding of Islam. You see that
there was no Islam. They didn't
understand Islam. They didn't live
Islam. And at the end that's why they
ended up if he really even was
a Muslim. It was there was no substance.
There was no foundation and he's out.
But most of these people are just con
artists and that's a shame. But God
sees, God exposes like he did right now.
This guy has been exposed.
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