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Define the words here I want you to
start off this session with Ted defining
what is because we've thrown around
Muslim Islam what are these words what
do they mean what does Islam mean well
Islam essentially
means the submission the peaceful
submission to God and a Muslim is
someone who peacefully submits to to the
will of God he says my will comes from
my ego God's will comes from something
that transcends that he is the source of
peace he is the loving he is the
merciful so I'm going to submit my will
to his will peacefully and I'm going to
surrender to him it's like almost
letting go of your ego and saying you
know what it's about me and Allah and
having that connection what if someone
says well Christianity or Judaism or
Buddhism mean the same thing can you
actually say that well Buddhism for
example and I used to be like a Buddhist
I used to love the Tibetan tradition you
used to be a Buddhist well I used to get
involved in the Tibetan tradition my
brother was very involved in this kind
of agnostic Buddhist philosophy is very
interesting there's some parallels with
Buddhism and Islam based on you know
thinking and reflection and pondering
it's in the Islamic tradition where one
scholar Dr Malik badri he basically says
that maybe Buddhism was one of the
monotheistic traditions and it will
somehow over you know like Whispers you
know when human beings whisper from one
to another it gets fil you know it get
and change things Chang Islam not very
different I'm assuming that I I I would
I would assume and this is a gross
assumption because I didn't grow up and
I haven't been around for, 1600 years in
this conversation in that the Islam that
was worked with even in the medieval
times versus the conversation that is
today that just like everyone else it
has evolved to subsist so if I'm asking
the question if it's a
question much like Buddhism is was this
the mon a istic thing yes of course what
is what is the conception of what you
see to
come based on that where we've been okay
it's a very good question answer this
question just so real quick just
finishing so the people can understand
like you define what Islam is is Buddha
named after Buddha Christianity after
Christos very good to bring me back to
the point oh that's a great question
Buddhism is agnostic philosophy meaning
that there's one narration attribute to
the Buddha and someone syst him does go
exist and he said it's irrelevant right
so basically the question of God and his
relevancy is a unquestion from the that
perspective because Buddhism is an
agnostic philosophy just work with your
life your mind how do you break your ego
how do you live peacefully now we would
say actually the good question is a very
important question because it grounds
your morality it grounds who you are
your sense of self and all of these
different things now when it comes to
Christianity a Christian basically
especially mainstream Christianity
believe in something what you would call
a trinitarian conception of God the in
the Greek language isos there's one
essence essence one Essence three
distinct persons what we would say
humbly in the Islamic tradition this
doesn't befit the majesty and Perfection
of God and this is not the correct
conception of the Divine so for you to
connect with that is like connecting
with something other than the Divine so
what we would say humbly is if you want
to go back to the roots go back to even
original Christian Christianity the
original belief even further back yeah
even the Jewish tradition way back that
you want to connect with God there is no
intim mediary no son no book no Pope
Nothing it's a direct connection a
direct relationship and that's why
sometimes you have you know uh Brothers
in Christianity saying you know how's
your relationship with God do you have a
loving relationship with God I would
humbly say well I don't think you do
because maybe you know if you have to
have something in the middle is that a
loving relationship if I want to like
fall in with my wife I'm not going to
put my mon in the middle right oh my
good Lord knows that's a horrible plan
it's never going to work play with my
phone and talk to my wife that's not
going to work so I'm going to connect
straight to my wife just like with God
you want to have a loving relationship
with God you connect straight to him so
that's what it SS about we connect with
with with was your question now how do
we know Islam hasn't changed just like
many pres pres I know there's there's
there's here's some things that I've
come to understand historically um and
let's just look at the civilization and
it's it's basically it's been like
riding on a snowboard down a mountain
mankind right with a few Avalanches with
a few yeah pretty significant ones yes
so we we drifted deeply into our our
first understandings of religion and we
had many many things that we chose to
choose as uh things we understand Gods
there were animals we wanted the
amorphism we have the Pagan religions
that are that that's you know there's an
admiration of the animal world and
there's a lot of what we did in our
lives at that time that was very
animalistic yeah sure and then we come
into our philosophy began to say heang
on guys we don't have a god of lightning
we don't have and and and Greek myth
mythology and the and the and this great
thinkers come to play and say hey hang
on a second H too many too many Divine
beings here we've got to get this down
to something people that's palatable and
something we can live with so that
drifts into the next big swing it
becomes a scientific Pursuit via
philosophy then it you know it's it's
swinging it's up and down it's drifting
extremely towards the spiritual side
extremely towards the scientific side
and and we have Darwinism that brings in
this like we if we can literally change
the breed of dog and change the way
flowers look how is that how is God in
charge of everything if I can control
the flowers that grow yes of course
that's a fantastic question and it bir
some interesting okay there's a few
questions here right yeah a lot I'm
sorry let's go back to the first
question which is you know when I
mentioned about Buddhism and about the
statement attribute to him and the
preservation and stuff Islam is like
different it's not based on a Whispers
philosophy in the Islamic tradition is
called something called or it's an
Arabic word all it means is recurrent
reporting and I'm going to try and give
you a picture for you to put in your
mind say you have the prophet Muhammad
upon whom be peace right and he told
something to five of his companions and
these five companions said exactly the
same thing to their five companions sure
and each of these five companions that
have five companions they say to another
five companions something else so the
chain grows and you see that the chain
of knowledge not everybody has the same
chain so somebody has this chain someone
has this chain some of these people
never met before they come from
different times and places but at the
end of the chain you have millions of
people saying exactly the same thing
sure now philosophically speaking to say
that what they're saying now wasn't what
the prophet Muhammad upon whom he peace
said is T him out to a mass conspiracy
that they somehow basically
traveled took a time machine you know
said make sure you say this make sure
you say that you got it from this chain
and say you got it from that chain of
narration sure sure so this basically
shows that you can't deny what you call
recurrent reporting even David Hugh
famous Scottish skeptic philosopher he
said you know if the masses of people in
the 1600s masses of people in the 1600s
actually said that there was eight days
of darkness and it was reported by
everybody from different peoples and
different times and places is then to
deny this would be absurd and he was a
skeptic he even denied causality in a
way right so this is an Islamic
historical principle and all of the
prophetic traditions and even the Quran
has come via this scientific method or
that's the wrong a scientific method
this historical principle so to deny a
statement of the Prophet Muhammad that's
authenticated upon him be peace and to
deny the Quran is acting like denying
Plato Aristotle World War I World War II
sure all the known history so that's why
we have a very preserve tradition very
very exciting I I'm I'm you know uh I
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below back here on the dean show Hamza
tell us in my studies in comparative
religion I have not found any other book
that a has been preserved tamper free
tamper proof life the Quran preserved in
the original Arabic language with the
challenge as you stated earlier if you
find one contradiction God Almighty is
saying in the Quran that it can't be
from God but do you find any other book
making the claim like it does on every
page you see Allah God's name mentioned
and you see that now it's claiming that
look I am your creator I created the
universe try to disp if you can't then
it's not from me do you do we find that
in the Bible do we find that in in in in
bud I have not found it you
my you get you understand the point like
the Quran basically makes a CH like a
falsification test it says in the second
chapter 23rd
verse and it continues basically if if
you're in doubt about this book we have
sent down to our servant referring to
the prophet Muhammad upon whom be peace
and bring one chapter like it right also
the Quran says in the same chapter that
if this wasn't from God there'll
be meaning many discrepancies you know
what's very interesting about this term
by the way a little off it's off the
topic but it relates
it says there'll be many discrepancies
so there's two things you could do first
you could look at the whole the Quran
and see if there's any discrepancies
that's the first way or if you're a
logician you can find out how many times
the word discrepancy is
mentioned in that form it's only
mentioned once which is quite
interesting anyway so the point here is
it's smart it is very smart right so the
thing with the the Quran it makes this
challenge he doesn't hide and say just
have Blind Faith just just believe
because I said so it challenges mankind
IT addresses man addresses Ted how
address should be addressed you you have
a brain you have a heart use it and God
is saying look here's this text it does
it did come 1400 years ago it's making
amazing claims for itself sure but it's
saying here's a challenge if you don't
believe this from the Creator then
discuss it challenge it engage with it
and what I would argue is that this
forms a basis for a whole array of
arguments and things that we can assert
that this book is from the Divine let
give you one very small one just to get
the thinking going right the Quran was
revealed over 23e period This is a
historical fact it was revealed in peace
Mill over 23 years for specific times
and places then it was put together as
alab as a book as a physical text now if
it was revealed over a 23e period for
specific times and places then I want to
ask a question how on Earth does it have
its structural and mathematical
coherence take for example the second
chapter chapter it has 286 verses the
chapter was revealed over a 9-year
period intensely over a 2year period
right now if you do a karate chop in the
middle you have the 143rd verse do you
know where you find
middle now this is interesting now go to
the third chapter it says the likeness
of Jesus is like the likeness of Adam
because there was an argument from the
Christians right that look you
know he had no father therefore his
father's God which we don't believe
right and Allah is saying wait wait a
minute but the likeness of Jesus like
the likeness of Adam you believe in Adam
he had no father but you don't say that
God's his father you say he was created
by God right now the key word here is
likeness because Adam is mentioned 25
times in the Quran and so is Jesus
mentioned 25 times in the Quran you know
what's interesting up to this verse they
both mentioned seven times each and that
for me is
remarkable now there's more for example
if you go to the shortest chapter Surah
Al there only three lines and remember
the Quran says bring one chapter like it
it has 10 Lex Lex units of meaning a
unit of meaning is not just a word you
kind of a preposition with a word right
correct you have 10 units of meaning
what's interesting is each verse uses
only 10 letters and what's even more
interesting is that the whole chapter
uses only 10 letters once right if you
consider the Hamza as a partial letter
it's not a real letter it's like a quasi
letter that's very interesting and there
are many more of these kind of
structural features so for me the
prophet Muhammad upon didn't have a
computer didn't have a calculator he
didn't even write things
down now what's very interesting is that
these verses were wrote over a 23e
period yet we didn't have computer but
it was compiled together to have this
amazing structural coherence for me
humbly I don't think there's a
naturalistic explanation that's just one
now there is another one take for
example revealing of lost historical
knowledge the Quran many claim say it's
boring from the Jewish tradition in the
Bible
right but this is false for one specific
reason the Bible mentions Pharaoh the
Torah mentions Pharaoh the Quran
mentions Pharaoh big deal but also the
Quran mentions King for the leader of
the Egyptians also and it mentions it in
a distinct way it mentions Pharaoh at at
the time of Moses and al-malik King at
the time
of YF Joseph and he doesn't conflict
them doesn't use there's no conflict yes
but in the biblical tradition and the
Jewish tradition there's this conflict
right oh it's it's it's rampant from the
full every single book yeah it's not
accurate from that perspective almost
purposefully inaccurate now this is now
this is a minute detail if you were to
take away this word you wouldn't affect
the message of the Quran however ever it
remains distinct that it mentions
Pharaoh for the time of Moses King for
the time of Joseph sure but the question
here is this at that time we had no
access to the hieroglyphics which was
the pictoral language of the Egyptians
it was a dead language we have no or
tradition no historian no culture that
even knew that language at that period
it was dead now I have a question
regarding that particular part and this
is this is the part that I I don't uh I
don't even pretend to first of all I've
learned a great deal about the Quran and
just this very short elegant elegant
explanation thank you for that and in
that I'll add that I have never doubted
the fact that it's amazing in and of
itself as a creation as a book it's a
fantastic
demonstration and I also if I correct me
if I'm wrong is it not taught through
song it's like a recital thank you
recital and song now I didn't grow up in
England I have uh a year and a half
nearly 2-year-old little girl I have a a
song that I heard there once was a dude
from New York who had 100 men yes he
marched them up to the top of the hill
and then down to the bottom again when
they were halfway up they were neither
up nor down and it's it's the same thing
over and over and over again that's a
good rendition right yeah I I totally I
butchered it because you know and I know
I'm in a hurry but someone called 911
he's murdered I've completely committed
a crime against that song which would
probably be my very first introduction
to to Islam it's been very difficult for
me to do it with any amount of Elegance
such as your own I'm grateful for that
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show please uh Hamza go ahead and take
off you were explaining about the
historical point about the historical so
hieroglyphics was a dead language and we
found out the Rosetta Stone which was a
stone that enabled us to translate the
hieroglyphics in I think the end of the
20th
century and when we understood the
hieroglyphics we find out that actually
the Bible and the Torah were wrong and
the Quran is accurate
specifically because in the Old Middle
Kingdom which was the time of Joseph
they were using the kind of title as the
king for the lead of the Egyptians and
then the New Kingdom which the time of
Moses they started to call him the
Pharaoh which I believe means the great
house that's this distinct minute detail
now where did the prophet get his
knowledge from upon him you peace when
there was an ignorance of that knowledge
an absence of that knowledge we can't
find it anywhere in over tradition or in
textual tradition we can't find in
historical books or even religious
tradition so the claim that he copied
the Bible was quite interesting because
therefore fine maybe he copied the Bible
but then he corrected his mistakes well
how you know there were mistakes and how
where did he get the correct information
from so that's another little sign post
to accumulate you have an accumulative
case for the Quran another quick thing
inter I could mention 10 points but we
don't have time but another thing is
about the structural features of the
Quran many of the chapters are in what
you call ring composition now you don't
even need to know Arabic for this ring
composition is that like units of themes
categories of themes again let's look at
the second chapter which is the largest
chapter it has theme a theme b c d e
then you have D1 you have C1 you have B1
and A1 so you have this ring composition
a and A1 have a similar theme B and B1
have a similar theme C and C1 have a
similar theme D and D1 have a similar
theme and E is on its own e mentions the
present before E mentions the Past after
e mentions the future but yet you all
have these similar themes right sure
there's this ring composition and each
ring each category has its own ring
composition as well so it's structured
based on meaning and structural themes
and for me since this book was revealed
over a 23 year period for specific times
and addresses specific events how on
Earth has it been developed in this
structural way it shows that the Au knew
the future which again gives support to
the fact that it's likely to be from the
Divine is this possibly and and I asked
this and uh uh really curious at this
point times that is it not a possibility
to have because of being written over a
23e span of
time that the ability to ascertain
cyclical occurrences
much like the seasons much like the
growing of crops much like the coming
and going of leadership much like the
migration of crops and
animals that within this span of time to
write the accountants of up to a
singular point and then also write the
accountant of what they believe will
come to pass based off of this evidence
having seen that cycle come to a close
and the next natural thing for life to
do is to repeat itself are we not seeing
something potenti being described here
in the Quran as the natural order of the
cyclicity of of life itself that's a
good question I think the only problem
with that is that ring composition is
not a new thing I don't want to assume
that they wrote that not having our
education we're definitely not smart
about the same things sure people in
literature developed structures called
ring composition sure the only problem
is it's almost impossible to develop
ring composition if you're addressing
new realities over your career of
prophetic career your religious career
if you like wrinkle position works if
you make a story up right but this was
events that happened and there were
verses that were addressing those
specific events okay now for it to have
almost like a pre-arranged structure
it's as if you knew what events were
going to happen which was almost
impossible well we we look down upon
that today with someone that could tell
us that in the year 2022 we're going to
have this happen or in the year yet
there is a prophetic notion to most of
what's taught but but by the way when I
talk about talking about the future it's
not prophecies it's talking about if
this happens then do this right okay but
yeah all of these verses were specific
to context and time many of them right
okay now I get it yeah so so you have
this ring composition it was almost a
manual to in in response to these
conditions in life this is the best path
to take and yeah it has this amazing
structure over those Ro over 2 periods
the other thing I want to mention is re
relevancy now the Quran basically wants
to address the human mind the sth centur
mind the 15th century mind and the 30th
Century mind certainly and let me give
you some examples to show the
multi-layered and multi-leveled meaning
of this book which is phenomenal because
if it was 7th Century it must have a 7th
Century language but the Quran is so
Dynamic it has almost a Timeless
language and for me it shows it came
from a being that knows all
knowledge take for example the word
alaka
means blood clot or an embryo or
something part of the human development
and you can find it in chap 14 chapter
23:14 now the word alaka has five major
meanings blood blood in a general sense
a blood clot a leech for worm or clay
that sticks to the Hang or something
that clings now for the sth century Arab
he knew that based on dissections and
abortions it the embryo look like a
blood clot certainly so the Quran is
saying look you were this and now you're
here look at the wisdom in the universe
that must be a Creator he deserves to be
worship certainly but if you fast
forward in the 15th century we develop
the microscope and we look into the
microscope day 20 to
what do we see we see the embryo it
looks like a worm Dr D layman in his
book Anatomy demystified says it looks
like a worm which is another
interpretation of the word exactly so it
relates to that multi- leved meaning but
then after if you you it might not have
a scientific meaning because science
changes so science could be wrong right
well that's the whole point of science
is to to test and prove and continue on
exctly but this is the beautiful thing
forget the empirical scientific
understanding here take a spiritual
understanding and say well maybe God is
not talking about anything scientific
maybe it's existential referring to the
self being was here before our thought
about being was here he's saying that we
were Lee he's saying that you're like a
parasite you had a parasitic
relationship with your mother if you
study embryology you see that the baby
drains the resource of its mother
certainly and the leech if it were to be
sucking my hand now it drains my
resources it takes everything it needs
from my blood and from the get-go both
the leech and the embryo act in this
parasitical way drains from the
resources of its host mother right yeah
my hand in this case now what's very
interesting Professor Lord Winston from
Imperial College University said exactly
the same thing he said embryo and leech
act in the same way so it's as if the
Quran is saying hey you Mr Arrogant Mr
businessman Mr think you know it all Mr
self-sufficient you were dependent on
your own mother and ultimately your
mother and everything in creation is
dependent on God so willfully and
willingly lower the wing of humility and
mercy to your mother because she
peacefully and willingly and compass
passionately drained her resources for
you you are a leech so there may be a
spiritual perspective now the reason I'm
giving you these examples is because
isn't it amazing and fascinating
although you have a limited scope of
meaning for certain words in the Quran
that he addresses a sth century mindset
a 15th century mindset and a 21st
century mindset for me that's a dynamic
text and that's very important let me
just give you one final example one
final example the Quran says that the
Sun and the Moon have their own orbits
right they swim the word is
now you could look into the universe as
with your naked eye as a sth century
Arab with sandals and say wow they're
swimming in the cosmos but that can also
relate to Celestial mechanics they have
an on its own orbit but you may be
thinking the sun has its own orbit yes
the 7th Century Arab believed that the
sun was going around the earth which is
wrong but IT addresses their mentality
well there was a that was a hiccup in
time well it's even that is to address
their mentality to make them realize
those power and wisdom in the universe
but you know what's very interesting the
sun does have its own orbit according to
Modern physics oh modern physics has
broken it out it orbits the Milky Way
and it takes 226 million years to orbit
if you look at amazing diagrams of the
universe the sun is doing this orbit and
there's things and the planets are going
around it it's phenomenal so do you
understand one word addresses a sth
century mindset 15 or 13 and any Century
mindset so for me it seems to me when
you add all these accumulative things
together plus the life of the Prophet
Muhammad upon PE which is another
question and maybe another show then it
it should make you think and say what's
the best explanation for
this we're almost out of time we got 1
minute left uh closing comments and
advice to uh those truth Seekers people
who are curious like Ted and let's say
someone out there is hearing this what
is that first step when some because we
know that in Islam you know it's a
lifetime struggle to acquire knowledge
there's so much it's an ocean of
knowledge but when somebody wants to do
Islam they want to accept Islam what is
the first major step that one has to
take well what they have to do is affirm
the truth reality you have an amazing
tie Islam is like saying that you have
an amazing
tie and that's why we're saying we're
affirming the reality that you have an
amazing tie and what is the affirmation
of reality
here there is no Dy No Object worthy of
worship but the one that created us the
Dy Allah and the and the prophet
Muhammad upon whom be peace is his final
messenger now this should be made with
your heart that you sincerely believe in
this and that you have a willingness to
worship if you don't have that
willingness to worship which is your res
onra as the French say your reason for
existence then that cannot that might
not be accepted so you have a
willingness to W to come close to God
and you believe in that reality and that
makes you a Muslim and that's simple you
don't have to know all this complex
stuff I was talking about a pool you
don't have to do you don't need Ang to
come down with fireworks or anything
it's so yesterday on Friday we're here
there was a sister American sister sat
through the lecture came up to me and
said I want to become Muslim but I don't
know what's going on she thought there
has to be a special time and moment I
said look Allah wants you to love him
but you've closed the door on Allah
you've locked the door put the gates up
and put God dogs Allah wants you to love
him there's nothing special do you like
this guy's shoes yeah I like his shoes
Islam is just like that you're accepting
a reality there is no Dy worthy of
worship I'm not my daty Society is not
my Dy my boss is not my daty Eddie is
not my daty Ted's not my
the ism and skis is not my daty my daty
is the one who created the one that
loves me and the one that knows me
better than I know myself and I'm going
to submit to that and I'm going to love
Allah and he wants to love me so why
would I choose hell over a loving God
God doesn't send you there Allah says
don't blame me blame your own hands it's
the spiritual cause and effect so Allah
is saying just from your free will make
the right choice and I told her unlock
the door remove the dog take away the
gate open the door and just embrace the
love of Allah
she became a Muslim on Friday it was
beautiful right and that's what that's
the advice to everybody life is simple
we complicate it sometimes with egoism
and philosophy and all this rubbish but
it's just simple you were made this is
very Basic Instinct it's a rational
principle you made by something that
Supernatural he sent down a message and
we have good reasons to believe in it
you submit to his will and you're at
peace you're not a slave to anybody
you're not a service to anyone apart
from God and if you're in service to God
you're in service to mankind you create
Justice and peace and harmony and then
you die then you have eternal Bliss in
paradise and that's what we want for
everybody and that's Islam we're time
we're going over our time uh any closing
comments uh any stay who you are I think
you've taught us a lot because it shows
to everybody the Muslims that we could
come together and have these discussions
like we're in a coffee shop chilling out
discussing about man life and the
universe and I'm going to connect with
you after this anyway because you know
we had a long conversation before we had
this show and uh you're a great guy keep
up the fitness and the nutrition and all
stuff that you do keep up the reading
and let's engage further and that's what
we have to we have to show people we
have to transcend the Fox News narrative
now that's they want to divide us people
want to divide us we want to say we want
a space where we could have the right
emotions the right intellectual
discussions the right human connection
so we could talk about these issues and
if we disagree we disagree with love we
don't disagree with hate and that's what
we want Eddie right yes absolutely thank
you thank you thank you very much thank
you thank you everybody for tuning in
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