Why did you put Islam the lowest out of
all them at 5% and then you at 30? But
you go first.
>> I don't see Islam I don't see Islam as a
threat to the United States.
>> What goes to your mind when they're
talking about them to reach us? What are
they talking about them?
>> Who's the them? I've been trying to find
them for a long time. When you ask who
are they? The religion is very different
from the people. People who sin, people
who are fallible, people who make
mistakes in their life. God told us in
the Quran. Allah says in the Quran, I've
created you from nations and tribes.
Well, the whole world questions whether
or not the president of the United
States is even making his own decisions
or whether he's the puppet.
>> False flags, right? Building seven. You
heard of building seven,
>> right? In America, we're given how many
billions to a year for what? What do
they do for us? Why do you want to be
Muslim then? If you don't know anything
about Allah, Muhammad, and Islam, what
would draw you to my doorstep?
>> Could easily launch a false flag
operation that sends us into a war. We
had, did you know we had a someone
faking to be a Muslim and came in here?
Did you know that?
>> Right. Islam is the only thing on this
list that's not a nation state.
>> It is.
>> It's a religion.
>> Everything is always one-sided that if
the Muslims do it, it's part of your
faith. If the Christians do it,
>> that they're not a very good
>> understand. Yeah.
>> And I ask and I ask Patrick, is this
what your faith teaches you?
This is the
>> Assalam alaikum. Welcome to the Dean
Show. Imm Wesley, I've been telling this
story to so many people over the years.
I said, "Look," and I give an example
and then I'll go ahead and bring my
guest that when he accepted Islam before
that, his his parents were going nuts.
They were going crazy. They didn't
understand it. And then after some time
they his parents got to know it. Then
they asked his father. They asked his
father uh how's your son? How's how's
everything going now with your son? He
said I could sleep at night. Is that
right?
>> That's right, man. That's right.
>> That's you, right?
>> That's me. That's me.
>> Alhamdulillah. [laughter]
>> So I said it right. That's the story.
>> That's the story, man. I I even got one
for you. Subhan Allah. I was just in
Honduras.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Uh I was in El Salvador, actually. And
in El Salvador, I walk in to the masid
to give some food. uh to leave some food
for the community there. And I'm with my
dad. I took my dad with me. A non-Muslim
walks in and she says, "I want to ask
some questions about Islam." The imam of
that mash wasn't there. His wife said,
"Well, we have another imam and she
pointed to me and she began to ask
questions about Islam." Some of the
brothers I was with began to answer her
questions. She looked at my dad and she
said, "Are you Muslim?" He said, "No."
She says, "I want to know what you think
about Islam." My father said, "I'll tell
you two things." He said, "One, I can
sleep at night now that my son is a
Muslim." He said the second he said do
you think that God brought you cuz she
was from Georgia here to visit your
family in San Miguel brought you from
San Miguel to the masjid down wherever
you lived at downtown to the masjid to
ask questions. Me and my son were about
to leave. My son answers all your
questions for you. He says do you think
God did that just by chance or for a
purpose? He says God did that so that
you could become Muslim today. And she
took shahada. She said
>> that was in Puerto Rico.
>> That was in El Salvador. El Salvador
>> two years ago. Subhan Allah.
>> How's your father doing now?
>> Alhamdulillah, he's doing good.
Alhamdulillah. He just had open heart
surgery. Alhamdulillah. But
alhamdulillah, he's pushing forth. He's
getting better. Mashallah. And asked me
for the very first time in 28 years for
a Quran to read the Quran. So may Allah
subhanaa tala open his heart. Let's
amen. Amen. Uh this is really good to
hear. I want to get into u this video.
on getting some um some of your reaction
and we'll discuss it because you know
the the common mantra that's out there
Islam is taking over these Muslims and
and this is uh you have politicians out
there who are creating stoking fear
spreading propaganda and you just had um
you just had this u individual in where
was it uh in Utah
>> who just uh took out a knife and stabbed
a Muslim 15 times.
And he said, "I intended to unal alive
Muslims." That's what the suspect told
police after the stabbing a Muslim who
was working in the mall, I believe it
was. And the victim survived, but needs
surgery on his hand. You didn't You
didn't hear about this?
>> I just heard about it when I was in
Puerto Rico, but I haven't watched.
>> Isn't that Isn't that interesting? It
hit some local news, but it's not
mainstream.
>> Of course, anything that uh it's against
a Muslim or any violence perpetrated
against a Muslim is never hitting
mainstream. But if it was the opposite
way around, it would have been on every
news station, right? All over the media,
all over social media, unfortunately.
>> So, it's a constant. Muslims are a
threat, Muslims are a threat, and all
the other nonsense that goes with the um
propaganda. And then you have people who
will bite on this, and they'll go commit
some kind of hate crime. They'll go
ahead and attack a Muslim, pull off a
attack innocent woman. And you have
people like this unfortunately now and
who was at one point he was trying to
have Christians and Muslims dialogue
together. I hope Patrick Ben David can
get back to how that was before. That's
when I met him and I thought okay we can
we can work together right we can work
together without compromising and try to
work on commonalities but he's taken a
direction and I think here it backfired.
He's got XCIA guy. So let's watch this
clip.
>> Sure.
>> And then uh see what uh your response is
and we can discuss it.
>> Absolutely. So he opens up here and he
puts Islam in a category with the nation
these nation states.
>> I'm going to give you four countries to
be paranoid about which of them would
you give the biggest percentage all the
way to the smallest. So think about it.
You have a round like a literally it's
going to look like a pie chart and then
you put the names in there. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> So you have these four categories. You
have Islam.
>> Okay.
>> So within Islam we have IRGC Qatar. Just
include all of them. We have because you
know also coming up a lot of different
places. Then we have China and we have
Russia.
>> So he's got China, Russia and what do
you think right now? He just categorized
Islam with these countries.
>> Yeah. It's crazy because he tried to
kind of use as a link as you know let's
look at as that Islamic country or
Islamic you know state um and then try
to put Islam a religion with countries
to kind of dissect whether Islam is a
problem or these countries who are
superpowers right China is a superpower
at the end of the day China has you know
it has weapons it has you know nuclear
weapons it has all of these different
things Islam is not a country Islam
doesn't have nuclear weapons Islam
doesn't have a President Islam doesn't
have a caliphate. So just to even put
them all together to try to uh you know
make sense of this pie chart that he's
trying to make makes absolutely no
sense.
>> He threw in in there everything IRCG
>> he threw in cut. He just just put it all
together.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just just throw it in
pot jumbllaya and just
>> What about Puerto Rico? I mean that's
some growing comm. You're Puerto Rican.
You got people from Puerto from Puerto
Rico accepting Islam. Absolutely. I'm
European. You got people from uh I just
I just interviewed an Italian lady uh
who just accepted Islam.
>> Yeah.
>> El Salvador, Honduras.
>> You just spoke about your father in El
Salvador. That lady just took shahada,
accepted Islam.
>> Colombia, Venezuela, you know, I mean,
you got all these people accepting Islam
all around the world and now you're
going to just kind of put this Islam
into inside of this very very tiny
bucket of, you know, and
>> let's go on to the next where I think
here it backfires. these are ex this
individual is ex CIA and now he's asking
him okay which one is the greatest least
threat and surprisingly I don't think he
was expecting this either
>> since China and Russia you guys both
agree on 50 and 40
>> let's cross that one out because
>> within 10% and since Russia you're
within the same which is 20 to 30 within
10% we'll cross that one out let's start
off with Islam first and then we'll go
to why did you put Islam the lowest out
of all them at 5% and then you have 30
but you go first. I don't see Islam I
don't see Islam as a threat to the
United States and that's what I was
seeing it as paranoid to me right what
am I paranoid it's not Islam Islam is so
it's it's difficult for them to reach us
with any significance when they reach us
it's difficult for them to bypass our
security systems whether they're cyber
security systems police systems border
security systems etc they pose a real
threat to our allies who are much less
sophisticated in their de in their
defense uh and national security sector
but not to us meanwhile actually has the
ability to drag us into
>> Let's stop there. Let's get into um this
first part and then we'll continue. He
says um I don't see Islam as a threat.
>> Yeah. And he doesn't see it as a threat
because possibly he's read the Quran.
Possibly he's learned something about
Islam. Possibly he knows that Islam and
Muslims are people of peace. We're
people of faith. We're people who want
to give back and better the world and
not someone who wants to destroy the
world. I I think he's very he's
separating Islam from terrorism and from
terroristic organizations and all of
these other things that people use as
misnomers to try to attack Islam. Right?
So Islam, it's no threat whatsoever.
You're looking at a religion. You're
looking at, you know, guidance. You're
looking at a a a document that if you
read it, you'll get to see exactly what
these people believe in. And we believe
in the opposite of what everyone says we
believe in or the opposite of what
people say we are.
>> What do you think here? What what is the
um the way the um they're framing it?
It's them to reach us because you have
Islam submission to the creator, not the
creation. That's what Islam is. It's a
way of life. So, what goes to your mind
when they're talking about them to reach
us? What are they talking about them?
>> Who's the them?
>> Who's the them? I've been trying to find
them for a long time, Eddie. Now, you
know, in just in the community, in work,
anytime someone wants to blame a person
or or somebody wants to change something
because they don't like the way things
are, they always say, "Well, you know,
they said, well, you know, those people,
well, you know them." And when you ask,
"Who are they?" No one ever has the
answer. These are like some secret
hidden people in the world that seem to
affect everybody that they bring to the
forefront whenever they want to accuse
or put you in a state where they want to
blame you, but they don't want to bring
to the forefront who the real people are
or look at the situation itself and be
able to dissect that situation. If we're
looking at Islam, let's look at Islam.
Let's not say them. Let's look at the
religion. Why? Because I tell people all
the time, the religion is very different
from the people, right? People are
people who sin, people who are fallible,
people who make mistakes in their life
in every faith, every walk of life. But
if you look at the religion and you look
at what religion teaches, then religion
is going to show you what them people
are supposed to be about or what those
people are supposed to be about. So
let's look at the religion and then we
can kind of look at the people and we
can make a clear distinction between the
two. Just the other day a person says,
"Well, Muhammad was a pedophile, right?"
I says, "Well, if we look in America,
how many Christians have gone to jail
for pedophilia?" Right? Oh, you know,
men abuse women. If we look in the
prison system right now, how many
Christian men are in prison for beating
their wives? I can guarantee you the
numbers are always going to be more on
your side than they are going to be on
our side. Right? If we want to be fair
and compare apples to apples, oranges to
oranges, but people like throwing stones
in the glass house. And I tell them,
don't throw stones in the glass house
cuz you're going to break all your
windows eventually if we're going to
look at people and them, right? Versus
looking at what the faith teaches and
what religion teaches.
>> Now, you're also a an imam.
>> I am.
>> I Wesley. Alhamdulillah.
>> Yeah. So you're you're somebody um who
kind of breaks through the stereotypes
also because you got again European.
You're not Arab. I'm not Arab
>> and they they usually associate Islam
with maybe someone from Pakistan or
let's say Arab country Qatar as they say
or Iran which is which is um how would
you how would you answer that? Because I
think the them is our again RSCG or
these um these countries but when you're
define Islam is a way of life it's a
it's a beyond a religion it's a way of
life yes from the creator
>> so uh this is very important that you
distinguish that but they keep saying
them
>> them and it's not a political system at
the end of the day Islam is not a
political governmental system that is
trying to run the world at the end of
the day we're controlling we're running
hearts souls and minds trying to bring
them to the creator right make sure that
they are living a good life. Make sure
that they are people who submit. Make
sure that they are those who care about
other human beings. God told us in the
Quran, Allah says in the Quran, I've
created you from nations and tribes so
that you may get to know one another,
right? And the most righteous among you
are those who are most pious. Right? He
didn't say that he created you nations
and tribes. You came from Europe. I came
from Puerto Rico. Said we can hate one
another, right? So I can just, oh, I
don't like white people, so I'm going to
go ahead and harm white people. I don't
like blacks. I don't No. He created us
so that we can have that beautiful
diversity that exists in the world. But
people like this and statements like
those is what ruins that diversity and
the beauty of the diversity that's
supposed to bring us together because
people are interested. Language,
culture, food. This is why people
travel, right? But then when you say,
"Oh, you got to watch it with them."
>> Uh, now you can't travel to what? Katar.
Katar is one of the most beautiful
places. I I was able to visit last year.
>> You've been to Katar?
>> I went there last year. I was there for
about 10 15 days. You can eat off the
street. How clean it is.
>> Did you see Tucker there? Tucker
Carlson. Have you heard of Tucker Carl?
>> I heard of Tucker. I I didn't get to see
him.
>> They're attacking him because he's been
to Katar and
>> it's an amazing place.
>> He said good things. I've never been to
Katar.
>> Amazing place. It was And
>> that's where the FIFA, right? That's
where they had the
>> last year. I mean, last last year the
soccer FIFA they had last year they had
>> so many people were talking about their
experience. Americans, Canadians,
everyone's man. It's amazing.
>> Amazing.
>> Nothing but great things to say.
>> You know, you look at it's only about
300,000 kataris or something like that.
Everybody else is expat meaning they're
from outside the country. people who
chose to live there who are not Muslims
>> people chose they're the majority
>> Americans
>> Americans people from around the world
chose to live there actually everywhere
you go the the language is English I was
shocked that I I got to speak I barely
know Arabic you know I mean went to
restaurant I was with Arab he started
ordering the food in Arab she said
excuse me [laughter]
>> what do you need we had to talk English
you know subhan Allah so you look at it
if that's the case why would Americans
move to kar if it's such a dangerous
propaganda. Yeah. Let's continue on
>> into all sorts of that actually does
impact us. We are all paying more money
for oil right now because of we are all
suffering under an international uh
outcry against American leadership
because of the whole world questions
whether or not the president of the
United States is even making his own
decisions or whether he's the puppet of
so so has an incredible ability to to
frustrate and uh and put us in quagmire
that Islam just doesn't have.
>> Okay. So, what's the worst thing that
could do to us?
>> That that's very interesting here
because then he then he uh lists who he
thinks is the real. So, this kind of
backfires on um Patrick here. He says
that Israel is the bigger threat and he
lists all the things that they've been
dragging us into. He says all sorts of
>> uh paying more money now for oil is
because of Israel, right? And it's not
Islam. uh the s suffering outcry now
over the corrupt politicians that are
now connected on the payroll and
lobbying and everything and they've sold
out uh they see America first we're
truly America first okay but then now
this outcry is because of this this
state and then the whole world is
questioning whether you have the
president who is a puppet of this uh
country and they can launch he talks
about false flags right building seven
you heard of building seven you know
about building seven
>> in New
you know.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh so he links back. He said they've
been doing the false flags. They do it
often. They've been doing it. This is
XCIA guy. I'm just repeating what he's
saying.
>> And he says they do it well.
>> And they do it well.
>> Yeah.
>> That's not Islam.
>> No.
>> Yeah. What are your thoughts?
>> You know, it's crazy. And and
unfortunately, we see this unraveling a
lot. Just right now in Colombia, the new
president is a Zionist,
>> right? Zionist.
>> You know, the old Columbia. Yeah.
>> He just won. The old president was
anti-Israel, anti- Zionism. And now this
first thing that this guy did was says
we're going to repair this relationship
with
>> we're not going to no more be anti-Zio,
anti-Israel. And we see that even
spreading throughout Central America, a
lot of the countries now, the presidents
in leadership, Mexico, right? Right. As
well, female. And and they come in and
they make a mess of things. They come
in, the people don't want them. Right.
Right now, Colombia's under, they say
he's probably going to go under fire.
People are going to start fighting in
the streets, you know, I mean, waring
people.
>> How did he get in? How did this person
get elected there?
>> He won, man. I don't know. I'm not
Colombian, so I'm not sure the politics
of Colombia, but
>> he won. And now it's a problem because
everywhere they go, right, their focus
is
>> right. In America, we're given how many
billions to a year for what? What do
they do for us? Except like he said,
bring us into war. Bring us into war
where we're spending money. We're
spending oil. We're sending them ships.
Right now, even when they were fighting
against Iran, right? Every missile that
goes up, millions of dollars being lost.
American money. You and I can't even
retire in America, right? Comfortably.
We don't know if there's going to be
social security by the time me and you
are 75, 80, if they, you know, decide to
raise it again. What do we do? The
Americans get screwed while get free
land. They get free money. They get free
healthcare. They get to move to and they
get to be okay. And here in America, the
poorest of people, the healthc care
sucks, right? The the the they they
don't have food money. They they get
food stamps. They don't have free
living. They put in project centers. How
is that the case that America cares much
more about Israel than it does about its
own people?
>> But somehow Islam is I mean, he's listed
all the problems, but somehow
>> we're the problem.
>> But yeah, Muslims are the problem.
>> How? Yeah. Islam. Muslims. If we get
just get rid of Islam.
>> Yeah. And we're Islam. Is Islam hasn't
affected the economy in America, right?
Islam, we're not taking wealth. We're
not receiving wealth from America,
right? I honestly the Muslim world is on
fire right now. If you look at the
Muslim world, right, by America and
getting their hands dirty in all of
these Muslim countries, Palestine,
Syria, Lebanon, you meant you continue
to go down the line, right? Myamar, you
continue to go down the line and all you
see is, right, hell on earth for the
Muslim lands, right? But we're the
problem. And I say it all the time. If
we're there 8 billion people in the
world, Eddie, 8 billion people, there
are two billion Muslims. If we were an
issue, two billion Muslims were a
quarter of the population. You would
have a serious problem on your hands if
we were people that believe terrorism is
the way. And this was part of our faith.
One out of every three people you see is
going to be a Muslim. You would have a
problem in the world. But it's not the
case.
>> I think more people are waking up
because they're starting to see this
hate of Islam and Muslims is to keep the
cycle of war to justify the war. So you
got to demonize the other.
>> Absolutely. And social media is waking
people up. Right. The the whole October
7th woke a lot of people up. We've seen
more people come into Islam during
October 7th, more than 911, more so this
time, right?
>> Yeah. Tell us what's going on because
you you travel a lot and you uh convey
the message, you share the message, you
get out there and you do social work.
So, you're seeing the effects.
>> You see the effects just that just in
Ramadan, right, after October 7th, the
the two Ramadan that followed were one
of the largests. In one masjid, 200
people accepted Islam. In our centers,
just mass centers alone, Muslim American
Society. All right. In our New York
centers alone, we had a few hundred
people accept Islam just in Ramadan,
right? Subhan Allah. Right now, I run
the revers program. We get about two to
300 inquiries a month. A month. And even
more than that sometimes. Sometimes
that's a week. We get 200 inquiries of
people reaching out to us saying, "I
want to know more about Islam. I want a
Quran. Can someone call me up and answer
my questions for me?" Right? I had a
woman who called me and she says,"Im
imam, I want to be Muslim." And I said,
"Okay, what do you have you read the
Quran?" She says, "No." I says, "Do you
know anything about Muhammad?" She says,
"No." I says, "Have you read anything
about Islam?" She says, "No." I said,
"Why do you want to be Muslim then? If
you don't know anything about Allah,
Muhammad, and Islam, what would draw you
to my doorstep and want to be a Muslim
and accept Islam?" She says, "I seen
people in Palestine being murdered and
killed every single day, losing
everything
except their faith in God." She says,
"And when I get sick," she says, "I lose
my faith in God. I need what those
people have." People are looking for
faith, Eddie. People are looking to
connect with God in this very
challenging world that we live in,
right? Life is difficult. People are
barely making it. People are barely
surviving and people are tired of the
nonsense, right? They're tired of being
lied to. They're tired of being told
what to believe in and people are now
going out and searching for those facts.
And social media opened up that world
where now everyone with a camera is able
to film. Everyone with a camera is able
to post. And Tik Tok, when Tik Tok
allowed all of that stuff to happen
before they start shutting things down,
the world was able to see Islam is not
the problem. Mhm.
>> You know,
>> let's continue on. See if there's
anything else here. So, this is uh ex
CIA officer on the uh Patrick Ben David
PBD podcast.
And he's saying Islam, what we got so
far is the least of my concerns.
Basically, he said, I am not worried
about Islam. Let's continue on. But he's
worried about who you were just talking
about.
>> Yes.
>> Go a little further. So, because you put
25%. That's a real threat. You put a
bigot in Russia on Islam. So what are
some things they could do to us?
>> So I I'm not worried about
sending a bomb into New York. If that's
what you're worried about, we're worried
about different things.
Could easily launch a false flag
operation that sends us into a war. They
can have an is who poses as a
Palestinian who goes in and causes some
kind of crazy in Syria. And now all
of a sudden the entire United States is
engaged in Syria because of something
that set up as a false flag. And that is
something that the MSAD does all the
time. They do it very well, very
eloquently. They already selectively
share intelligence with the United
States. And the reason you selectively
tell share intelligence is to create the
opportunity for misdirection or mal
intent. So
>> let's stop there. What are you thinking?
>> So they do it well.
>> They do it well.
>> He's given examples.
>> Yeah. And you look at it, it won't be
the first time that someone dresses up
>> uh as a Muslim or
>> fakes he's Muslim.
>> He's Muslim.
>> We had, did you know we had his uh
someone faking to be a Muslim and came
in here? Did you know that?
>> In the dean center.
>> Yeah. Have you heard of the Jacob the
Liar Lang, the guy who went and
decapinated the um had a a pig's head
over there in Texas. He came with a
>> not a kufi, a topi,
>> you know.
>> Yeah. The Pakistani toy.
>> Yeah. So you have a topi kufi. Kofi are
bigger, right?
>> Topi smaller, right? Then he had a
kamise. Not a th but a kamse.
>> And then he came in and someone spotted
him later and said, "What are you doing?
Why are you Because they recognize him
from Detroit."
>> Okay.
>> And then he made a big ruckus scene and
went online and saying, "Oh, they got
military age style men in here and they
are plotting this and that." When this
was live stream, it was gratitude to
God. That was the gratitude to Allah,
the conference and it was live streamed
and we had a Christian and a Jewish man
also who testified of what was going on
here. But then for the people who would
listen to him, his audience, they'd be
like really nervous, scared, and they
can be pumped up to come in here and do
some harm to somebody because they're
thinking like there's something
mischievous going on, some some plotting
to do whatever he was saying, and then
he's asking for money.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So,
>> not this is why I tell people all the
time, listen, go out and meet a Muslim.
>> Go out and meet a Muslim.
>> Go out and meet a Muslim. Engage with a
Muslim. Engage with a Muslim family.
Spend some time with them. You know
what? Go out and visit a Muslim country.
Um, you know, one of the things I was
just very very happy to see when the
last time I made Omar in Saudi Arabia
last year, um, just January, they
actually opened up like a whole area for
non-Muslims to be able to now come to
Saudi Arabia to see what happens in some
of the holy sites like Medina. Mhm.
>> So, I was outside of the city Medina and
I seen like a bunch of Caucasian people,
>> you know, that's something new. I didn't
know about that.
>> Taking pictures, right? And you can tell
from the hijab, it wasn't on too good
and you know, they look like older
Caucasian people.
>> So, I said, "These people must not be
Muslim." And then I seen what's called
like the mush, the Saudi Arabian lead
guide that's leading them through. So, I
walked over and I asked him, I said, you
know, "Are they non-Muslim?" He said,
"Yes." I said, "Is this something new?"
He says, "Yes, this is a program now. We
take them to a lot of the holy sites."
They still don't go to Mecca, but they
go to a lot of the other holy sites and
they get to hear the adan. They get to
see the prayer, right? They don't get to
go inside of the prophet's masjid, but
they get to go inside of some of the
other masids. And they were like
extreme. When they heard the van went
off, you had to see them. They was just
like amazed. You know what I mean? That
at this time, you know, muggative time,
you have thousands upon thousands of
people going to pray to God, stopping
everything in their life. And they were
amazed by that. So, I think find
something like that. Go out and
experience what the Muslim really lives
on a day-to-day basis. And I can
guarantee every individual that does
that that all of this garbage that they
say about us, you will change your mind
and say that is not a Muslim, right? And
I and and the Muslims, we also have to
engage with the people. Don't wait for
them to come to you, right? Because
maybe they're not going to come to you
because they've been listening to the
propaganda. They've been listening to
the garbage. And because of that, they
fear you. they see you, they're going to
be scared. So, no, approach them.
Listen, you know what? You want to know
something about Islam, you know, come to
my house. Come for a cup of coffee, come
for a cup of tea. You know what I mean?
Alhamdulillah. Invite them in and allow
them to see who you really are. Even our
centers are in massagid. How many
centers are actually engaging just with
the community that's around them, right?
Just your neighborhood. Are you engaging
with your neighborhood? inviting your
neighbors into that space so that they
can see that we're not in there building
bombs and we're not in there plotting
and it's not pinky in the brain, you
know, subhan Allah trying to create some
plan to destroy America and destroy the
world, right? But unless we do those
things, the propaganda is going to
continue, right? Even though it's
lessening, right? Because they only have
about so many things they can hold on
to, right? To claim against Islam. And
those things have been debunked so many
times and because people are waking up
that if now we mashallah take the step
forward to put in that work we can
definitely change the image that people
have in their minds about who we are. So
already involved in these kinds of
operations at a very high success rate.
That's what I'm concerned about. I'm
concerned about them backstabbing the
United States. I'm concerned about them
undermining our national interest. I'm
concerned about them choosing like they
did with Iran to escalate rhetoric about
a certain issue that's more important to
them than it is to us that then goes on
to affect us. Okay, perfect. So then the
infiltration of Islam some say to EU and
what's happening to a lot of those
countries UK you know Germany you're
seeing it all over the place and to the
point where a documentary I mean Rupert
Low did a paper the 250,000
you know stories of girls being raped in
uh UK 87% being Pakistanis and Muslims
and then seeing what's going on in US
right now with New York City Mandani
wins his three individuals that also won
so that's not going into the financial
capital of uh of the world in the
states. Do you have any concern of them
they're infiltrating the United States
in the future?
>> So here this is another thing I think I
think is very interesting. Right. Islam
is the only thing on this list that's
not a nation state.
>> It is.
>> It's a religion.
>> That's right.
>> I'm not worried about a religion. I'm
worried about people and people identify
sometimes as a religion. But it's
interesting to me that we're actually
weighing nation state threats against
religious threats. So when we talk about
Islamic people in New York, I don't see
them as a threat just because of what
they believe. That goes against American
values.
>> Bingo.
>> Doesn't get more perfect than that.
>> Yeah.
>> Doesn't go more perfect than that. it.
Islam again, he he lists uh the 250,000
and he talks about grape and um we um
[clears throat]
I'm saying for those people that know
because you say certain trigger words
and uh you know some you know what I'm
referring to but uh what he what do he
say to that? So what he's saying he's
he's he's trying to equate Islam with
some of the things that obviously Islam
is totally against. you have the
harshest penalties in God's divine law
and that is you know Islam is totally
against us but then somehow what do you
say when you hear this he's talking
about in UK and all these things and
Pakistanis and whatnot
>> it's absurd and even when they look at
the harshest laws they'll say well
that's barbaric
>> right that's barbaric for someone to
have their hand cut off because of
stealing but then you go to a place like
Saudi Arabia where people don't steal
because they know they're going to have
their hand cut off or they know that
they're going to get decapitated for
whatever reason and then those
punishments are rarely ever carried out.
Why? Because the people fall in line,
right? Versus in the UK versus in
America, how many people are in prison
for not just Muslims again, how many
people are in prison for murder, how
many people are in prison for so many
different crimes. Why? Because the law
isn't strict enough. People get in, they
get out, they come back in again, go
back out again. Right? It's a it's a
revolving door. Why? Because the jail
system is also a money system for the
American government. At the end of the
day, everybody in there is a dollar
figure. So, if I can put more people in
there is another form of slavery. It's
another form of of making money. So,
just like he says, he's not afraid of a
religion. Why? because religion does not
call to these types of actions. He says,
"Yeah, people may claim religion, but it
doesn't mean that they're religious
people."
>> That's common sense. I mean, you can you
just uh you know that off the bat, but
they always try to if you have someone
who's Pakistani, they right away uh uh
tie him to Islam. So, we have a bigger
responsibility to live it right. But if
you have someone who's Pakistani or he's
uh whatever nationality, but if he's not
living Islam because if he was living
Islam, he wouldn't be part of that
statistic, whatever he's quoting, I
don't know. He's
>> absolutely
>> if that's the case, then what about the
Catholic priests?
>> There you go.
>> The Catholic priests who boys
>> Mhm.
>> all the time. Does is that found in the
Bible that they should go ahead and
boys? And why don't we speak about that
if that's the case?
>> Huge numbers. That's huge.
>> Huge. Huge. But why is it always
one-sided, right? Everything is always
one-sided that if the Muslims do it,
it's part of your faith. If the
Christians do it,
>> that they're not a very good Christian.
Yeah.
>> They're not a very good Christian and
they're not a practicing Christian,
right? The kid goes in or the guy goes
in and slaughters a bunch of kids in
school, right? And people in school,
>> well, he's not a good Christian or he
wasn't Christian, right? If a quote
unquote person with an Arab name or a
DIY Indopakistani name goes in and does
the same thing, Islam was targeting
children or Islam was targeting people
to kill and hurt them, right? Same thing
like with this guy who just got stabbed,
the Muslim brother who got stabbed 50
times 15 times.
>> You know, his perpetrators won't be
named as Christian or whatever faith
they come from. They're going to be
named as criminals at the end of the
day. Mhm.
>> But if it would have been a Muslim, a
supposedly Muslim that stabbed someone
15 times, Islam would have been
>> in court, right? Which is crazy
>> big time. You know that assassination
attempt recently uh when they had Trump,
this was probably a couple months ago
>> and the guy came in and they start
shooting at the banquet. He tried Okay.
You remember that? Yeah.
>> You know, when you dig a little bit
deeper, this guy was Christian actually
>> and nobody ever heard about Yeah, that
was a huge event now. They try to
assassinate the uh I was going to make a
video about this and get a chance to,
but that was actually a Christian's
shooter.
>> Yeah. Which is crazy. And Christianity
is not put on court.
>> Yeah. We're not And we're not trying to
put it on court. We know better.
>> Of course,
>> but they always trying to put Islam in
under the um
>> Well, you know why? At the end of the
day,
>> they put Islam in the courtroom because
they understand that Islam
does amazing things. It changes people
like you and I.
>> Mhm.
>> People like you and I who didn't care
about God. People like you and I who
probably, you know, I mean, was living a
very different life prior to Islam, who
probably would have ended up in jail or
something like that, especially for
myself. It changed me. It made me a
better person. It made me someone who
cares about humanity. It made me someone
who dedicates my time to humanity. It
made me someone who opened up my own
humanitarian organization to be able to
work with humanity and to show humanity
a better face, right? Give humanity
hope. They're scared of that. They're
scared that Subhan Allah, when you
provide hope, you provide help, people
want to join you. Just in Puerto Rico, I
was in Puerto Rico. Just came from
Puerto Rico yesterday. We collaborated
with a church, a Catholic church. So
when we ended, I went to give the woman,
she's Pentecostal, she's a a pastor. I
said, "Here I would like to give you a
Quran." I said, "Not because I want to
guide you to become Muslim, but because
I want to remove any misnomers about
Islam and what you have in your head
about Muslims."
>> Yeah. For educational purposes.
>> Educational purpose only. She was like,
"No, no, no, no, no. I can't take that."
I gave it to another girl that was from
her congregation. She snatched it out of
her hand
>> and put it back in the box. She said,
"We can't accept that." I'm like, "But
why? It's for educational purpose. I
read your book. Read mine. I understand
where you come from. Understand where I
come from." Right? She said, "Oh, I can
go on Google." I said, "No, you're going
to go on Google and you're going to find
all of the bad misinformation, the
misinformation, and then we're back at
square one all over again." But what I
saw from her was fear. Fear that you've
showed up from the United States to help
people in this project complex that need
help, that don't have anything, right?
And if you give them that book, they may
come and accept your faith.
But those are choices that human beings
make. Let them learn about faith and
hopefully if it guides them to be a
better person in life then so be it.
>> Then so be it. Don't be scared that you
know I mean scared that people are going
to accept Islam and you know the
population is going to grow Muslims in
America. Great.
>> Alhamdulillah. We're going to help make
America great again.
>> Right. Isn't that what Trump wanted?
Make America great again. Well, we're
here to make you help make it great
again.
>> So, how do you feel? You list all these
things that Islam has done for you and
for so many people. Except that's why
they accept it. More women accept Islam
than men.
>> Yes,
>> they do the research
>> which is telling.
>> Which is telling big time. Uh with all
the propaganda presses women and
subjugates them and all this other
nonsense, but they're coming more than
men. And then you have yourself people
from all different walks of life. So,
but then when you hear the opposite of
these politicians and then the Patrick
Benavids and others who are spreading
this misinformation, the hate and then
um what do you think? What goes to your
mind? So, you know the truth. you're
living it. You know what it's done it's
done for you. But then when you hear the
opposite,
>> when I hear the opposite, I have to
question that individual and I and I do
and I ask and I ask Patrick, is this
what your faith teaches you to be a
person of hate
>> because I know that's not what my faith
teaches me. M
>> you're accusing me of it, but the
reality is that I see that you're the
one spewing the hate as a Christian, as
a Z or whatever it may be, right?
It's not coming from us, right? So,
we're being accused,
but really the accuser is the one who
believes in those things more than
anything else or practices those things
more than anything else. And that comes
from them and it doesn't come from the
Muslims. And if you look at that, you
should ask yourself, is that not odd
that your faith is supposed to be the
peaceful one, the loving one, Jesus died
for your sins? Jesus came to save the
world. But yet, you have so much hate
that
the words that come out your mouth are
not words found in your Bible. Rather,
they're words of racism and everything
else that comes from the devil. Mhm.
>> Are we really the threats or is it them?
>> They have to ask themselves that
question every day.
>> And I like how the XCIA guy, he said,
"This is unamerican." So, we'll finish
off with that. It's unamerican.
What do you think about that statement?
>> Yeah. It's unamerican, you know, to to
to to be people who want to harm
America. And I don't think there's one
Muslim that lives in America that ever
wants to harm America. Mhm.
>> I don't care. You know, even like the
other the girl Sandra that she comes in
afterwards and she begins to mention all
these different organizations and people
that have come here and try to try to do
different things. MSAs and they're
trying to come in through MSAS. M Downey
as they mentioned, okay, one mayor with
three staff members that are Muslim. All
of a sudden, Mom Donnie is going to make
this big change and he's going to change
New York City when the Muslims are not
the dominant popular uh dominant group
in New York or dominant nationality of
people in New York.
>> Mhm.
>> It's ridiculous. It continues to be
propaganda. Again, we are everything
American consists of. Islam, mashallah,
calls to living that way, to practicing
that way, and to making it better again.
Again, we're here just like Trump said,
make America great again. Let's make it
great again. Let's let people be able to
open their minds. Let people be able to
see the truth for themselves
and choose for themselves what's truth
without you even having to propagate or
say negative things. And let's see what
people choose.
>> What is Islam for the person that's just
tuning in now and they figured out it's
not because they put it into a category
of nation states. The ex guy and he made
that clear. They're not a nation state.
>> Yeah.
>> But what is Islam for the average
person? Islam is
it is to submit to Allah subhana wa tala
submit to God and his oneness right and
to obey God almighty right so a Muslim
the one who is submitting to this faith
called Islam right they basically are
giving their life to God saying God I
worship only you are the creator of the
heavens and earth you are the creator of
everything that exists human beings
everything animals stars moons
constellations ations and you have sent
down a revelation and in that revelation
you have taught us how to live. You have
taught us what we're to do, what we're
to stay away from. You've taught us
right morals, values. You've taught us
to be people who give back to the world,
don't take from the world. All of these
things are Islam. Peace, tranquility,
kindness, smiling, right? Being a person
who is loving, gentle, right? All of
these things are Islam. All of them are
inculcated and found within the religion
of Islam. Right? So Islam is just a
simple submission to the will of God
Almighty.
Not to your own will, not to your own
thoughts, not to your own right desires,
but you submit yourself to the one
creator of the heavens and earth. And
when you do that, you're a Muslim who is
practicing the fold of Islam.
>> What do you think about Jesus?
>> Jesus was one of the five greatest
prophets since mankind. We love him
absolutely completely. We love Mary.
He's mentioned 25 times in the Quran.
His mother Mary, we love her, right? We
believe in his miraculous birth. We
believe that he was sent to guide his
people during his time and to bring them
to worshiping the one God. Just like in
the Bible, in many different places, he
says, "The father is greater than I,
right? Why thou call me good when the
only one good is that one in heaven?"
There are too many things where Jesus is
guiding us to God, showing us that he
was a worshipper of God. And we say he
was a Muslim. Why? Because he was one
who submitted his will to God, right?
And basically obeyed God Almighty. And
because of that, we say that he is a
Muslim not in the sense that he followed
Muhammad sallallaihi wasallam, but in
the sense of submission.
>> Do you believe in the day of judgment?
>> We believe in the day of judgment. We
believe that day of judgment is going to
be a day that is going to be one of the
hardest days for human beings. It is the
day that you're going to be judged for
everything that you've done in your life
from the day that you basically for us
Muslims from puberty until the day that
you die that you have a record that's
going to be given to you. Your record,
right? If you given your record in your
right hand, success. If you're given
your record in your left hand, doom,
right? And basically there's nothing
that's going to be hidden. We're going
to stand before God Almighty for the
things that you worship, for the things
that you've said, for the things that
you've done, for every single thing in
your life. And we know that God might
almighty is just and he's not going to
be unjust with anybody. And based on his
justice, on that great day, people are
going to either go into hell or they're
going to go into paradise. And we
believe that that day is going to be
here soon for each and every one of us.
Do do you believe that God can be parts
like a trinity or that there's more than
one God? Uh not more than one God but
God is like the Christian concept of the
trinity. What does Islam say about that?
>> There is nothing in like unto God. God
is not like his creation whatsoever.
God is distinct. God doesn't need to
sleep. God doesn't need to rest. God
doesn't need to have children. God does
not need to have relations. He does not
need to have family. God was here before
anything existed. He'll be here after.
God is the one who mashallah created
everything that existed. And he has
separated himself from his creation. And
there is nothing like him. Nor are there
associate gods alongside with him that
he has to battle with or fight with for
power, right? For status. God is the
creator of the heavens and earth. And
there is only one God.
>> That's it. Period. Pure monotheism.
>> Pure monotheism. I think that's what
really stands up about Islam and that
concept has always been there since the
first man Adam all the prophets after
they all came with the same message
submit your will to God to the creator
of the heavens and earth earth do good
deeds what we just discussed judgment
day prepare for it paradise hellfire
it's always been the same
>> always been the same never has changed
hasn't changed until people human beings
changed it
>> right and when they when you look at it
why has it been consistent that whole
time and then all of a sudden Jesus
comes and now now people want to change
the concept
Does it make sense?
>> In the Quran, if anyone reads it, is
there enough evidence and proof that it
is not by Muhammad? But if someone says,
"Well, Muhammad wrote the book."
>> Yeah, in the Quran, we have scientific
proofs. There's scientific data found in
the Quran, right? The child being born,
the stages of the womb, you have the the
levels, right, underneath the ocean. You
have the mountains that are keeping as
pegs
>> pegs keeping the world together, right?
There's so many different things in the
Quran that can show you and inform you
that there was no way for Muhammad, the
man in the desert, right? Over,400 years
ago, he was going to have all of this
information. How did he get all of that
right? You know, I mean, being in the
middle of desert, impossible when we
just learned these things within this
century.
>> That's profound. We often talk about
Jesus's miracles, but then you have the
ultimate miracle, the Quran, it's
preservation, the authenticity, and what
you mentioned, they're just facts in
there, not fiction. There's no way he
could have guessed these things. One
thing, second thing, third, it's all on
point. And then the prophecies
>> and then uh the miracles he did that you
have uh abundance of people who are
witnessing the multiplication of water,
food.
>> Yes.
>> Uh so many different miracles that he he
did actually that that there there's
more proof even though we believe in the
miracles of Jesus because of the Quran,
but you can't link it to anybody.
>> They're no eyewitnesses.
>> There's not. But we have eye hundreds of
eyew thousands. What? In one in one
case, I think it was like a thousand
people narrated with the food incident,
right?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> That's it's truly mind-blowing.
>> It is. Subhan Allah.
>> But again, it it just really takes human
beings to wake up. I say you got to have
your cup upside right side up to allow
things to pour into it,
>> right? And not right side down, right?
Because if you pour on top of it,
>> every just make a mess of things.
>> Allow your heart to be open.
>> You don't you don't have to accept the
faith. Just allow yourself to understand
the faith. Understand the people of that
faith, right? because we're human beings
at the end of the day. And if you do
that, you'll definitely change your
mindset about who Muslims are and what
Islam is all about.
>> What's the name of your organization?
>> So, I work for Muslim American Society,
uh, New York, and then I have the three
Puerto Rican imams as well. Uh, that is
our humanitarian branch, our
humanitarian [clears throat] or we've
been doing work since 2017. Palestine,
Pakistan, Nigeria, Central, South
America, Haiti. So here in America,
we're not giving back to u human beings.
>> Beautiful. That that's that's the work
that every Muslim is trying to do.
Trying to uh make the world that we live
in a better place. Christians are not
going anywhere. We're not trying to
remove uh as people of a certain
religion off the face of it. Uh but at
the same time, Islam as they're trying
to get rid of it's not it's been here.
It's not going anywhere. It's a mission
to the will of God. How you going to get
rid of that kind? How you can you can't.
So try to understand it not from the uh
paid people out there who are just paid
to hate and spread propaganda. Um like
you just said, beautiful advice. Go
visit with a Muslim. Go um learn from
directly from people who have studied
the way of life, the religion. We're not
going to chase you out. I saw a video
where uh people are trying to go into a
specific religious uh place and you got
they're like they're forced out. It's
from one of the three Abrahamic they
call it, right?
the other one.
>> So, people go out.
Have you seen any of those?
>> Yeah, I saw those. Yeah. You can't come
here. You can't ask no questions. You
can't sit in here.
>> You got to be a member of the club.
>> You got to be a member. You got to be
born into it.
>> But, but we actually excited.
>> Yeah.
>> For people to come.
>> Our doors are always open.
>> Come come talk
>> the dean show here in the Dean Center.
>> Yeah.
>> Right.
>> So, yeah. When we officially open, tell
Yeah. So, for people who've been hearing
about the Dean Center, now this is uh
your second time here. What are your uh
thoughts? What do you think? you know,
you you're going to be uh actually
giving uh sermon here today at uh at the
ma masid.
>> Yeah.
>> What are your thoughts for
>> No, I think that this place this place
is amazing. Mah, you put you know, you
you thought it out well. You you have
different uh buildings for different
things. You know, you got all the way at
the end you have the martial arts and
jiu-jitsu and the gyms for people to
stay in shape. Alhamdulillah, you have
the school building for the kids.
Alhamdulillah. Then you have the masjid
building for the worshippers. You know,
mashallah, you have the building that
we're in that's for conferences. and
what you're telling me now kind of like
a uh uh kind of like not an art studio
but kind of like a a museum that you'll
be able to walk into and kind of learn
about Islam
>> educational center educational center
about different you know about our faith
and things of that nature how do we
believe in Jesus you know and these are
doors that are open alhamdulillah so
that people kind of come in and really
educate themselves we need more places
like this right that focus on those
different things especially being an
open door policy where you can come in
can get educated about who Muslims are
and what we believe believe in the
masids many of them across the country
are only masids you go in pray Sunday
school that's it you know what I mean
alhamdulillah so I think you know those
who know about the dean center need to
support this place have to give more uh
money to this place in house that
mashallah you can finish the project
alhamdulillah and hopefully that this is
can be duplicated in many different
areas around the country outside of just
Florida
>> thank you brother thank you very much
great advice And let's close off. Um,
anything else you want to end with and
what advice you you you sent a direct
message to Patrick McDavid. You asked
him uh people out there they kind of now
they've uh listened to we kind of
explained Islam. Anything else you want
to say for the person who's a little bit
skeptical or you know they're kind of at
the door and they're there but not quite
yet. Anything? What advice?
>> Don't be scared. Don't be nervous. We're
human beings just like you. Ask. Be
inquisitive. Be curious. Go to your
local mosque. Go to your Muslim friend,
your Muslim neighbor, your Muslim
coworker, and tell them, "Listen, I want
to know a little bit more about your
faith." And don't be scared to say, "Are
you a terrorist?
Are you an oppressor? Do you rape
children? Do I need to be scared that
you live in my neighborhood?" I can
guarantee you that when you meet that
person, you learn about that family,
you're going to be happy that they live
in your neighborhood, that they work in
your place of employment, that they live
in this country, and that they are
people just like you who care about
America and the world.
>> Thank you.
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