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Trinity the
Trinity okay let's go talk about let's
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Allah is enough for me
handsome you of Christ Allah is
for welcome back to the D show I'm your
host Eddie now you coming from a
Christian background you your father who
knew the Bible very well he was also a
minister I'm sure you can really help
give some insight to this topic the
trinity we talk about the
Trinity this is not really three Gods
this is one of the things that the folks
who criticize the Catholic Church
they're the ones who really came up with
this idea to start with and then
subsequently any churches that broke off
from the Catholic Church those who
protested or
Protestants They Carried that forward as
well but there there are those who
criticize the Trinity not realizing how
this all came about it's not fair
fair and then there are those who claim
to be unitarians because they say we
believe in the unity of God as one and
then the trinitarians of course are
saying that God is one but the it right
away real fast but there are three
Natures to God or there are three parts
within one or uh the demonstration that
I gave about the finger when you can
move it like
that so
how did one become three let's let's ask
it like that because in fact the Old
Testament the Bible the Jewish belief
and so on even till today is God is one
and it's there's
no consideration for anything else and
there's not two not three not four it's
one so Abraham did Abraham ever utter
this word Trinity or Moses or
Noah as far as uttering a word Trinity
the word is Latin none of them spoke the
language it wouldn't have used it
anyway and as far as that goes the word
Trinity itself is not found in any of
the scriptures not even in the Apocrypha
you don't find this word how about for
when one says for there are three that
bear record in heaven the Father the Son
but we said the word Trinity is not
there okay the word Trinity is not in
the Bible not in any Scripture that word
Trinity is not there it's not until you
get to the Quran that you find this word
so what is this verse that I just quoted
you that people used to support to
Trinity the verse that you're talking
about now this uh is in John but it's
not John the gospel this is the John 1
or the first Epistle of John and it's
not necessarily even the same John
anyway yeah it's in chapter 5 verse 7
and it says there are three that bear
witness in heaven the father the Son and
the spirit and these three are
one this verse is a matter of uh as a
matter of fact it's an
addition and all of the scholars of the
Bible agree that this was added many
many many centuries later by someone who
wanted to resolve this issue once and
for all and prove that somehow there
could be three let me get this straight
so this is not in the original
manuscript well nobody can say it's not
because they don't have the original
manuscript so it's not in the copy of
the copy it's not in anything no it's
not in anything within I think the first
uh the first Thousand Years okay
anything in the first Thousand Years
wouldn't have had that it was added much
later in the K Greek gotcha okay now
there were things that were in Trinity
mentioning Trinity that were injected in
some of these Latin copies and so on but
those were rejected anyway but in the K
Greek there was never anything in any of
the early manuscripts or anything came
after that that was you know anything
serious that that used this word Trinity
yeah and nor was there anything with
this verse in it okay what it is it's a
takeoff of the verse before it and a
rewarding of that verse to try to add
what they wanted to it said in the verse
before it that are three that bear
witness the Father the blood and the
spirit and these three
agree the Father the blood and the
spirit and these three agree and it
doesn't say they're all in heaven and it
doesn't say that they are one it say
they agree but it was a chance for
somebody to say ah wait look here's
three things now we'll try to wrap it up
and turn it into
something there were some very serious
fight
and and we're not talking about just
fights with words we're talking about
the kind of fights where people were
being poisoned people being killed over
this subject that's how really horrible
it got by the 3rd Century uh there was
something called arianism versus the
Council of NAA this is I'm referring to
something I have on a website about this
and Aras is the one who was insisting
that the nature of Jesus was such that
he's not divine
and he's not a part of God but they were
always arguing over how will you explain
the nature of Jesus is he created or is
he born is he begotten or is he not
begotten and the wording on how you
would say that would determine whether
or not you were considered to be a CF or
a
disbeliever and so that's how this kicks
off and then the NAA
Council uh offers a resolution on that
basically if you don't agree with this
we'll kill you it was almost that bad
was this over the rule of
Constantine Constantine was the one
basically who was presiding over the
council himself and yet he was a pagan
son God worshipper he was in the cult
called Saul Invictus Saul is son in
Latin Invictus means Invincible they
belied that the sun was invincible and
they belied that the son had a son on
Earth which was basically the
representative of of the sun power Etc
and he considered himself to be that one
and uh he only 5 years before this uh
Council he had actually engaged in a war
against some of the people who believed
in Jupiter as being the God you know the
planet Jupiter and the guy who was the
son of Jupiter was killed by him in that
war so he considered himself the really
the big
Warrior but and to come back to this
Trinity business when Constantine
convened this Council what he was
looking for his Absolution he wanted to
be uh rid of his guilt and sin for
having drowned his uh or actually boiled
boiling his wife and boiled his son
because of fear that they would try to
compete with him for his for his uh
position talk about
insecurity well in any case he found a
way to get it done it was to through
this uh one sect of Christianity said
that if he would say that Jesus was the
son of God and died for his sins then
they would uh forgive him of his sins
yeah interesting and then the tradeoff
was then that the Roman government would
now be forced to accept this
particular sect of Christianity as the
royal or the official Church of the
realm and with that this gave these
Bishops you know good position cuz prior
of that time you know the Roman
government was killing people who were
Christians and using them for
entertainment take them out throw them
into the to the Gladiators throw them
out to the the lions and bears things
like that to to it was horrible it was
disgraceful and it was of
course you they were killing
people check this
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out and welcome to the mailbag on The
Dean show will we answer the questions
of our viewers and our listeners about
his Islam and hopefully clear up some of
the misconceptions that many of us may
have about the reality of Islam let's
look and see what we have
today okay this writer ask why don't you
Muslims accept that God can be a trinity
well thank you for that very good
question we can't possibly accept that
God could be a trinity because it's not
necessary because in order for God to be
a trinity that means that he would have
to require help and in order for him to
require help that mean he will be
dependent upon another God which
obviously doesn't exist or he will be
dependent upon something that he had
himself had created and so it's it's an
obvious contradiction dear listener that
it to even expect or think or even hope
that God would have to be a trinity is a
contradiction to the to the actual
existence of almighty God because in
order for there to be a trinity then he
would have to require the assistance as
we said of something else that he would
be that he has created that means that
he in order for them to be a trinity he
would have to create uh another son that
would that he would need assistance from
he would have to create a ghost that he
would need assistance from so there
can't be a Trinity there's not three
gods that means that one of the Gods had
to come first if there was three gods
and God himself is only one and he
doesn't require any help from anyone
that would take away and it's an insult
and contradictory to the existence and
the fact that God is one and God is the
almighty how can we dare say that God is
Almighty and we call him almighty God
and then still out of the other on the
other hand on the other side of the coin
say again that God is a trinity that he
that he he has to be three in one why
would he have to be three in one why
would God who is who is not created who
is the beginning who is the end who is
the Alpha and Omega this one supreme god
who brought about the entire Creation in
Christianity we were taught that in the
beginning was the word and the Word was
God and the word became flesh and the
flesh dwelt among us but we weren't
taught what that word was in Islam we're
taught what the word was the word that
was the beginning the word that brought
about the beginning of creation was Co
which means be and the Quran says
fire be and it is so this is how
God brought about creation but it's not
how God brought about himself but God
did not have to bring about himself God
was not created nor was he even
self-created God himself is the
beginning and you can't think past God
so in order to think that God needs two
other beings to help him to rule the
universe then that means that there
would have to be something that came
before God or came along with God or
that God himself had created but God
himself is no is no need for a trinity
and God does not do unnecessary things
the creator of the heavens and the Earth
is complete without form without
description and he has no limitations he
has no height no weight no depth no
width he has nothing that can be
described by human beings and therefore
there's no need for almighty God to be a
trinity and it's impossible to expect
that God would even have to be a trinity
because in order for him to be a trinity
then he would have to be relying upon
something that he has created because no
one else has the ability to create
anything it things can only be done by
the help and the will and the plan of
almighty God that's why we cannot
believe nor can we possibly expect even
with our wildest imagination that God
could be a trinity because it's
contradictory to the very existence of
almighty God we hope we answered your
question that's it for this session of
the mailbag on The Dean show tune in
next time thank
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you you they were killing people so up
until then if I get this straight
correct me if I'm wrong I don't want to
put words you in mouth that we had a
stream of mon true monotheism coming
from One Direction then you had another
stream coming from another Direction and
it seems this direction of the Trinity
came over and
romanized
Christianity with all their Traditions
that were going on no I don't think so I
I don't think that's what we're saying
here is the more you study this I I
don't think you'll see that that uh that
Christianity
became influenced by that I think this
is just Rome Rome's Church adapting a
few things from them that's all because
at the council here are the things that
they did I'm looking at their website
right now on our website I have a copy
of it yeah where can someone find this
you can go to our our main website for
this is 911 Bible 911 Bible yeah you can
find a lot of information over there
another one we have is called the Islam
code i s l a m c o d
e.com and we talk about the Trinity
there as well but any case even on their
own website they explain that what
happened when when the Council of NAA
took place the Roman government itself
is now accepting Christianity as the
official
religion that particular
sect so this is good news for the
Christians in a way but now there was
compromises one of the compromises was
they had to change the date of the
birthday of Jesus to become the 25th of
December which coincided with the birth
of a god called
mithas interesting H another thing they
had to do is to implement another feast
or festival called the Feast of
ishar and this is the goddess of
fertility this is why they have the
reference here now to the the
eggs yeah and to the rabbits cuz they
multiply quickly so it was a fertility
Festival from the goddess Ishtar which
we today call Easter there where your
Easter eggs your bunnies and all the
rest of it coming for this has nothing
to do whatsoever Christianity now most
of the Christians know this most of the
knowledgeable Christians they know this
and certainly the scholars in
Christianity will acknowledge that
immediately this is something that is no
part of
Christianity now another thing that took
place was to decide which books of the
Bible would be now canonized and and
that's where this expression comes from
at that time that's when the Catholic
Church said this is what the Bible will
be and that's it finished don't argue
about it anymore cuz they used to argue
about which books put some in take some
out but even the Catholic church over a
period of time took out the Book of
Revelations and then put it back in and
then took it out and put it back in this
is not our subject today but I'm just
letting you know that many things took
place at that Council yes it wasn't just
that they said this in this reference to
the Trinity because when they accepted
it of course it's going to make a
problem because how will you resolve
this when it's clear through the Bible
that God is one how you resolve it well
the influence here is coming from the
government not from the scholars so much
but the ones who were in the leadership
position of the church wanted to to do
their best to twist things Bend things
compromise so they could get this
position let's don't go back to being
thrown out into the lions you know guys
let's work with these people and we
become number one you know you number
one in the best condition as a church
you know and can spad our thing through
the world but we're going to compromise
otherwise we're back out here being
eaten by lions and what's the benefit of
that so I think that was the mindset I'm
trying to give you an idea based on what
information we have available today but
I I think that seems
logical another point is that the word
Catholic means
Universal there was always The Universal
Church of Rome it never was a Christian
church and it was in business long long
long before they were affiliated with
Christians cuz romea had a church and
when citizens were wanted to join or if
they took over a country and you would
like to be a full citizen you had to
join this church now you can keep your
old gods no problem but you definitely
needed to be a part of this so that is
still the name of it today Roman
Catholic Church Universal Church of Rome
now if I'm reading what was available to
me at that time and I'm finding I I'm
sincere and I want to pray to God Alone
how did I fit in this equation when
everybody's trying to support this other
belief this other
theology Eddie you can't say it that way
because people didn't have Bibles it
wasn't until the time of Gutenberg when
he produced that press and started
running Bibles off that a common person
could even have
access and also it was illegal even up
until uh
1511 it was
forbidden for anyone to translate the
Bible to the English
language even up to the time of 1511
when William
Tindale produced his whole entire Bible
in
English and what they did they executed
him they burned him the church burned
him at the stake with his Bible tied to
his chest why cuz it's illegal it's
blasphemy to translate the Bible nobody
was to have it the priest only
and in the Latin language that's how the
law was and it was 100 years after that
even after William Coverdale a student
of tales came with another one it would
and uh in 1611 there was a group who
actually translated the Bible to English
again that's what we call King James
version but in fact King James didn't
even know they did it till after the
fact they wrote a soliloquy in the
beginning of it praising him worshiping
him calling him Lord even hoping that he
would accept and not kill
them he never authorized it although he
never killed them either but he never
officially authorized it so they
nicknamed it the authorized version when
it came to our country it was called the
King James version get it that's how
that works so to come back to the
Trinity though nobody at the
time of uh the Catholic Church taking
over 3:25 nobody could have sat around
and read the Bible anyway how are you
going to read something that doesn't
exist what they had was some priests who
had some manuscripts or pieces of
manuscripts copies of things that were
even in the K Greek and so on but they
did not have any full complete Bible
that did not exist at that
time so tell us
how at the end did this word come
about well you know when I say by the
way that they didn't have a Bible what
I'm talking about is that the average
person didn't because they did have the
Roman Vulgate that was done by Jerome
and it has tremendous amount of mistakes
in it and so on but that's beside the
point this word Trinity comes about as a
result of the influence of the Roman
government itself the Roman government
was considered a Triune government
because it had three bodies just like
the United States has three bodies you
have your uh president you have the
Senate you have Congress there you know
and this Al together is equaling
three this is taken right from the Roman
government the Roman government also had
three and there three to make up their
one body and they were all in unison on
their decisions you follow so when the
Roman government takes over they want to
have this to remain in the church which
they had had before so this was why
there was an emphasis and a real push to
make sure it stayed but the real problem
in the early days wasn't over so much as
whether God was one two or three the
real problem was over the issue of what
was the nature of Jesus was he God was
he man was he man God or God
man was he born was he created was he
always
and they would get into that because if
you didn't if you didn't say he was
always you were a
blasphemer According to some of course
and then another thing comes up a
passage in the Bible talking about the
spirit that the blasphemy is that you
say anything against the spirit the
spirit is essentially a part of the
deity or something at that stage so this
becomes an issue that gets so big and so
distorted and over the years people just
say look just believe it just have faith
Let It Go God is one but you know he has
these three parts or he's like three
things at one time and you know like for
instance I can be a father and I can be
a brother I can be a son all at the same
time true of course I could also be I
could be father brother son grandfather
Uncle cousin so it wouldn't be limited
and I I really think that when people
start using and these kinds of examples
and especially trying to compare God to
a human or anything else that he created
I think they are way off track the best
thing is to consider what Allah's told
us in the Quran Allah told us the and he
told us about Trinity in the Quran
that's why I said it's not in the Bible
but it's in the
Quran tell the Christians not to say
three was clearly what Allah says to us
because God is one there's only one God
and and he doesn't have any Partners
finish that's very simply put so we know
that this wasn't a teaching of Jesus it
wasn't a teaching of Abraham it wasn't a
teaching of any of the prophets and not
even the teaching of the last and final
messenger of mankind the prophet
Muhammad from the from the scripture
that we do have we don't find any of it
in there
you have a lot of criticism of Paul a
lot of people criticize Paul and and
when you go to Seminary School you find
that there is there are three synoptic
gospels Matthew Mark and Luke then you
have the Johan gospel then you have a
teaching and Dogma that's coming and you
you you you don't have it all it's not
the same it's not the same message it's
not the same teaching and one of the key
things they talk about is Pauline
Doctrine because Pauline Doctrine isn't
the same it doesn't follow the same way
at all and it has a different message
even even to the extent of Breaking All
the Commandments and just you know being
dead to the law and if another statement
if the falsehoods I tell bring the
people closer to God then why are they
persecuting me this is coming from Paul
and his ideas of and they were strange
ideas they some claim that these ideas
were based on the mystical
religion of Tarsus where he was raised
up but regardless of that and no matter
how far you stretch it out you cannot
find ball using this word Trinity he
didn't even even he didn't come up with
this idea he didn't come up with that
kind of a nature of God or Jesus either
one what's the alternative now for the
people who agree with you and they've
done a little research or you know what
to them it also doesn't make sense
what's the alternative that they don't
lose Faith which is another and wait for
them to go I don't want anybody to lose
their faith I don't there are
trinitarians and unitarians Christians
Jews Muslims out there talking about
this subject I don't want anybody to
give up though don't give up this is my
advice to myself as well when I'm
confused about anything if I get upset
about anything then I need to go back to
the Lord above and open up my own
communication with him and pray to him
and ask him to guide me to the answer
because quite frankly human beings are
to each other just other human beings we
can't be Gods to each other we would
like to help each other out and help uh
to gain a better knowledge better
understanding but for sure it's only the
Lord above who's going to Grant this
real wisdom this real insight and
understanding and you have to be patient
and you have to take your time and then
when you get an idea and the Lord puts
something in your mind speaks to your
heart then you need to go and read what
it is he wants you to read or think
about it go sit with the people that
he's got you to you might be surprised
you might find yourself sitting with
Muslims talking to them about it or you
might find yourself talking to Jewish
talking about the subject or a Hindu I'm
not telling you not to do something I'm
telling you just to think about what
you're doing this is what I'm saying and
and pray to your lord and really ask him
to come into your life in a way that he
can uh guide you because most of us
were're fighting guidance all the
time thank you again for being with us
Shay it's great to be with you we're
going to have to have you back on again
oh we'll see God willing well there you
have it from from our guest former
Christian preacher Minister Sheikh
Yousef Estus I'd like to thank everybody
who's been tuning in from day one to the
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we have a lot of the information there
also and just to recap God is one just
like if you take your family of three to
the airport with one
ticket it's only going to be for one
person you cannot split it up into three
God's not like a pie that you split them
up he's one absolutely one and one alone
this is the same message of Jesus
Abraham Moses noan all the prophets of
almighty God so we ask you again to
worship God alone and not to associate
any partners with him and this is the
main Message of
Islam so we look forward to seeing you
again here on the dean show if you have
any comments or suggestions please email
me and this is your host Eddie signing
off assalam alaykum peace be unto
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