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thean alhamdulillah peace be with you
thank you for tuning in to the dean show
if you didn't know already peace be unto
you is a greeting of all the prophets
including the mighty messenger the one
that is so beloved to our hearts no
muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in
Jesus Christ peace be upon them we are
not the Antichrist but if we don't
believe in Jesus we cannot be Muslim
Muslim is simply one who surrenders and
submits to the one God and we are going
to be talking about Jesus peace be upon
him in this episode and we're going to
be giving some some of the top five
reasons according to Dr Lawrence Brown
on why Jesus peace be upon Him is not
God never said or claimed to be God nor
the begotten Son of God Dr Lawrence
Brown has a PhD in religious studies he
has a DD doctor of divinity he was a
former atheist who tried to be very hard
to be a Christian it just didn't fit it
didn't make sense this Trinity and all
the
other all the other factors that makes
one a Christian nowadays it just didn't
make sense and he became a Muslim and
he's here on the dean show to give us
his top five when we come back sit tight
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you Dr Lawrence Brown back on the dean
show how was your trip over here long
long long but not as long as if we
didn't have a jet airplanes yeah yeah
thank you for finding the time to be
with us here on the dean show we're
going to like to have you back so we can
continue talking about Jesus who is so
beloved to our hearts in this week's
episode we're going to be talking about
some of your top five reasons why Jesus
peace be upon Him is not the
begotten Son of God is that correct
that's correct and then we'll do future
episodes inshallah God willing about
some of these very other important
topics about Jesus so let's start off
here let's uh uh start off with uh you
know before I go on hold on I I just
want to I I want to make a note that you
know I know this might be a little bit
sensitive to some people and we're we're
not trying to hurt nobody's feelings uh
we just want to present a different
proposition one that we believe is the
truth so I just wanted to make that that
uh that note before we continue on yeah
I don't know if you wanted to add
something to that yeah I guess I think I
would and and that is that we as Muslims
we rever Jesus Christ we um we follow
his teachings but the point here is that
you do not draw closer to a person you
do not draw closer to God by
exceeding uh exceeding the reality okay
uh what do I mean by that what I mean is
that Jesus Christ called himself the son
of man
others called him the Son of God okay
now if he is identifying himself as a
man you do not you you are not going to
uh endear yourself to The Prophet by
making him out to be more than what he
actually was um look a good analogy is
is like this uh I was present once where
a family member uh was H celebrating a
birthday they had asked for a wallet
okay okay so just you know his wife you
know his wife what can I get you this
year dear he said I would like a wallet
but I would like it this way and that
way you know how I mean a wallet for us
is like a purse for a woman I mean we we
want it we want it our particular way
because we know what we like but she had
found something that she liked better
right and he said I I want it this way
you know a bfold not a trifold black not
brown with you know this you know this
number of pockets and for the credit
cards and so on and so forth he knew
exactly what he wanted but she went she
saw what she liked she liked this better
and that's what she bought for him okay
cost more money it was a lot more fancy
she got it from New York City instead of
from uh you know uh the the little town
where they lived and so on and so forth
but in the end it wasn't what he asked
for okay despite the despite the fact
that she had gone out of her way to get
you know something far far better than
what she thought he wanted he had no use
for it he got upset when he saw it cuz
he said I told you I don't want it like
this I I don't care if it costs five
times more than what I asked for uh it
could cost 10 times more it's not what I
wanted it's not what okay now it's the
same same way in in dealing with with
religion okay if the prophet if the
prophet is saying I'm a man I'm not I'm
not the Son of God and yet you elevate
him in status to the Son of God or you
make him Divine in your own mind this is
not going to win you points in in the
Hereafter so so the point is we are
focusing upon what Jesus Christ actually
said who he really said he was and and
that suffices for us because that is is
what God sufficed to send us in his
message now that is a very important
point and that's out of the love for our
brothers in humanity we don't want all
their Good Deeds to go to waste and
setting up a partner giving those Divine
rights other to God or setting up a co-
equal partner to God this can land you
in the Hellfire forever forever so and
sometimes you got to keep your love in
check yeah sometimes you got to keep
your love in check you know a strong man
hugging his wife I mean if he really
loves her too much I mean he can you
know oh I love you so much crunch crunch
crunch you know I mean you can hurt a
person yeah you can hurt a person and in
the same way when it comes to religion
you can hurt yourself by exceeding the
boundaries of what is accepted by God
yes yes yes definitely and that's why
we're here so let's go Dr Lawrence Brown
has a DD Doctrine Divinity PhD in
religious studies here on the dean show
to give us his top five reasons why
Jesus is not the begotten Son of God
number five talk to me okay number five
uh if you ask most Christians if you
believe in this Doctrine to begin with
you know do you believe that Jesus
Christ was begotten not
made most of them on the surface will
say yeah well okay that's part of my
religion yes but do you believe it um
most will start to backpedal if you go
look it up in Miriam Webster's
Dictionary begotten the definition is to
procreate as the father it implies the
carnal element of sex okay now this this
means that I mean you H are actually
having to challenge the person say are
you saying that you actually believe
that God has sex with Mary the mother of
Jesus is that what you are saying when
you say begotten not made I mean 99.9%
they'll say no no of course not I mean
they will realize the absurdity of that
claim the the blasphemy of that claim um
and so they will start to backpedal and
you'll say well if if this is what
begotten means and you're admitting that
you don't believe that that it involves
procreation as the father as the
definition of the word then why do you
believe in it and from there you will
find people will begin to soften their
stand so that's number five that's the
number five reason number five we're
going to continue move on time is short
we don't got but only a little bit of
time we're going to cover all these
things so we're going to move on to
number four of Dr Lawrence Brown top
five reasons why Jesus is not the
begotten Son of God number
four give it to us number four it is an
evolved Doctrine okay it was a doctrine
that was derived at the Council of NAA
in the year
325 it was later placed into the
athanasian Creed uh G IUS who is the
patriarch patriarch of Constantinople
when he heard the Council of
Na's uh statement in this regard he
actually pronounced it the words of a
drunken man the Asian Creed in part it
reads quote God from God light from
light true God from true God begotten
not made one in being with the father if
you really sit down and have a
heart-to-heart conversation with
yourself you might find yourself agree
with gradus and saying these were the
words of a drunken man now we don't like
to be offensive in saying this sounds
you know I mean this this sounds like
the ramblings of a drunken man but what
we are saying is that for somebody who
sits down and just analyzes these words
with an open heart and an open mind in
terms of whether they really make sense
to him a vast majority of mankind are
going to say no no I you know I can't
accept that it just doesn't make sense
we went from number five to number four
of the top five reasons why Jesus peace
be upon him who is beloved to our hearts
Mighty messenger of God never claimed to
be God never said he was God is not God
why he's not God with Dr Lawrence Brown
be right back with number three do not
go
anywhere I don't say to people I used to
be a Christian I still carry the values
and principles of loving Jesus Christ
and perhaps maybe more than the people
who call themselves Christians so I
think I got the best out of Christianity
by becoming Muslim
so many other things that you can enjoy
without drinking a sip of alcohol death
is the same thing it's not an obstacle
it's not something to cause people to
get completely desperate and start
stopping living their lives No it should
be a motivation it's only one life that
you're going to be living so you better
do it for Allah subhah
waala I am not afraid to stand alone if
Li by I am not afraid to stand
alone I am not afraid to stand alone if
Li by I am not afraid to stand
alone I am not afraid to stand alone if
Li I am not afraid to stand alone
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giving you the top five reasons Dr
Brown's top five reasons why Jesus peace
be upon Him is not the begotten Son of
God we went from 54 let's go to number
three take it away number three in
Psalms 2:7 David is is spoken about in
these terms quote the Lord has said to
me you are my son today I have begotten
you are we talk talking about Jesus
Christ no talking about David Psalms
27 okay so the point is now the doctrine
of begotten not made is not just that
Jesus Christ was allegedly begotten not
made no it's that Jesus Christ was the
only begotten Son of God begotten and
not made but the only one and yet here
we find in the same book The Bible in
Psalms uh 2: 7 we find that it it states
clearly quote the Lord has said to me
you are my son today I have begotten you
how can you have Jesus Christ being the
only begotten Son of God when you have
David many many many generations before
allegedly having been told you are my
son today I have begotten
you so is it safe to say that if you
look deeper into the Bible that the
Bible has some by the tons I've heard
this said before is this true yeah
actually I wasn't even going to go into
that but you find many passages speaking
of the sons of God and the and the
children of God and so on so yes uh sons
of God was actually a metaphorical term
not a literal term it didn't mean
literally a Son of God it was it was a
metaphor in fact all of the Jews
considered themselves children of God
Sons and Daughters of God that was the
status they conceived for themselves it
was a metaphorical issue not a literal
one hold on hold on but they say no for
Jesus it's a capital S what do you got
to say what I have to say is that
there's nothing to support that the the
manuscripts from which the Bible are is
translated uh both in the Hebrew in the
Aramaic and in the Greek there was no
capitalization of any of these whenever
you read the Bible and you see any
letter capitalized even the letters at
the beginning of a sentence those
letters were not capitalized in the
manuscripts from which the Bible was
translated the Bible is translated from
a body of of manuscripts right now we
have
5,400 manuscripts none of them have
capitalization so the capitalization is
something that people have put in and in
some cases they put it in as a device to
emphasize what they wanted to emphasize
but that is not being faithful to the
scripture not being faithful at all okay
so we got to be sincere and we got to
really want to do God's will we can't
just do things and just make it fit
because it fits our desires well you
remember how we were talking in a
previous session about how a lot of
people get turned off to religion
because they see people playing with
religion this is one of the ways in PE
in which people play with religion they
try to make it to be more or less than
what they want it to be they add what is
not there or they take away what is
there and in this this is one of those
cases where they are adding something
that is not there namely namely
capitalization or spe special usage of
particular words yeah you're talking
about capitalization we've talked about
543 let's go to two the number two
reason for why Jesus Christ is not the
begotten Son of God in a begotten not
made sense is that in the Bible the word
that is translated to only only begotten
menogyn m o n o g n s this is the word
that is translated to only begotten wait
we're on number two now we're on number
two so you get we went from five 4 three
and now this is the number
two reason why Jesus peace be upon Him
is not God and this is relating to what
we were just talking about which is why
I'm slipping in there you know the this
word monogamy is found nine times in the
Bible okay three times it's found in
Luke you find it in 712 8:42 and 938
okay in all three of those passages it
does not speak of Jesus Christ it is
speaking of other
individuals okay now this is the same
word when you find it in John it
identifies Jesus Christ as only begotten
but when this same word is used in Luke
regarding other individuals guess what
it's not translated only
begotten now why is that again this is
we were just talking about how people
kind of add what they want or take away
what they what they don't want um this
is this is an example where there's an
inconsistency in how the word is
translated and you have to ask yourself
why this word is found like I said nine
times in the Bible three times in Luke
in all three of those times it it speaks
of individuals other than Jesus Christ
and it does not identify them as only
begotten five times it's found in John
John four times in the Gospel of John
one time in the Epistle of John okay in
the first Epistle of John in those five
instances it speaks of Jesus Christ as
only
begotten okay the ninth time that's the
kicker Hebrews
11:17 in Hebrews
11:17 what is what is the word applied
to the word is applied to Isaac Isaac is
monogamous now why is that important the
reason that's important is because
Ishmael was born 14 years before
Isaac okay Abraham's first son was ishma
when Isaac was born ishma was 14 years
old how could Isaac be the only begotten
son of Abraham when Ishmael was born 14
years before it's not possible not
possible okay and if you if you question
if you say okay well well Ishmael wasn't
really Abraham's son right some people
say this some people say Okay Abra
Abram's second wife was wasn't really a
wife you have to just go back to the
Bible if you read the Bible it says that
Sarah gave Hager to Abraham as a wife
polygamy was permitted at that time it
was allowed polygamy was the standard of
the time that's why you find David
that's why you find Solomon with so many
wives polygamy was allowed okay and uh
and if you question whether he was the
son just read Genesis 1611 read Genesis
16:15
1771 1723 and 1725 and there are more
passages why do you read those passages
because in those passages God recognized
Isaac excuse me God God recognized
Ishmael as Abraham's son okay so as I
said if God is recognizing Ishmael as
Abraham's son 14 years before Isaac then
how can Isaac be the only begotten son
and yet that is the word to identify him
monogamy so what we're finding is that
word monogamy in Luke in three places
when when it's applied to other
individuals it's mistranslated in in
Hebrews
11:17 when it's talking about Isaac it's
simply cannot be only begotten because
he was not the only begotten son of
Abraham now for the Layman that was
number two from five we're going to go
to number one for the Layman he doesn't
know much of these passages he doesn't
know much of the Bible he believes in
God he knows this doesn't make
sense to bring it home I mean what does
someone and I'm sure you've had a lot of
discourse and dialogue with people who
believe this but have you ever asked
them what do you mean when you say God
had a son because we know that you know
cats have kittens cows have calves you
know what does God if you had a son is
that a baby God is it a number two God
how do they make sense of it what do
they actually saying you know here's
where the personal religion comes in
because people just explain it in
different ways I think if most people
are honest with themselves They Don't
Really they don't really understand the
concept because you have to remember in
the trinity in the concept of the
Trinity the father Son and the Holy
Spirit the teaching is not just that
these three individuals exist but that
they are co-equal co-eternal and
consubstantial okay that means that they
are okay in saying that they are
co-eternal
all three of them are eternal
and yet if you're saying this is the
father and this is the son how can a son
be Eternal if it comes from the father
this was this was an early argument by
the Unitarian priest Aras who basically
said if you're going to call on the son
you can't call him Eternal because the
son comes from the father okay how can
they be consubstantial of the same
substance and how you know how can they
be co-equal when one is praying to the
to the other Jesus Christ was praying to
God so how can you say these two are
equal I mean if you have the same Powers
if you have Godly Powers you don't need
to pray to anybody because what is the
purpose of prayer the purpose of prayer
is to ask God to do something for you
and if you have these Powers yourself
you don't need to ask God to do
something for you you can just bam and
it's done okay so when you really get
into it most people most people just
even if they don't admit it with their
words at least when they go home and
think about it they realize yeah
something something doesn't quite fit
you got to be sincere you got to be
sincere sincere with yourself sincere
with the one who knows the hearts the
creator of the heavens and earth we'll
be right back with number one reason why
Jesus peace be upon Him is not the
begotten Son of God be right
back do will not kill a woman do not
kill a child do
not you know going to different
religious leaders Buddhism Hinduism
forms of Christianity I even ran into
into people from the Nation of Islam an
old man do not kill an animal do not cut
a tree down do not po their water do not
burn their
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homes back here on the dean show Dr
Lawrence Brown DD doctor in Divinity PhD
and religious studies trying very hard
to be a Christian you went from atheism
to Christianity to Islam people go to
theen show.com to see the other shows
and to see how you accepted the world's
fastest growing way of life in the world
today yes most misunderstood it's the
way of life of all the messengers of God
Islam that complete and total submission
acquiring Peace by submitting yourself
entirely to the one God this is Islam
and a Muslim is one who does the action
of Islam now tell us we went from 5432
and give us the number one
one reason why Jesus peace be upon him
that Mighty messenger of God was not
never claimed to me never said never was
the begotten Son of God talk to us okay
well I'd asked for a drum roll but
lacking
one okay the number one reason is don't
listen to me don't listen to him we were
just talking about how you were saying
make it simple a lot of people you know
when they hear the whole explanation
they just want it made simple for them
so I'll make it simple for you don't
listen to any of us know who you should
listen to if you're a Christian listen
to your Bible that's all I ask you to do
listen to your Bible why because the
revised Standard Version the new revised
Standard Version The New International
Version The Good News Bible the new
English Bible the Jerusalem bible and
many others have recognized the force of
the arguments that I have given today
and they have removed this from their
own bies if you go to read those Bibles
and the new revised Standard Version and
New International Version are the
largest selling Bibles and and and the
most the most Scholastic Bibles uh in
the history of mankind and they have
removed this from their text because
they realize it is illegitimate so like
I said if you're Christian you don't
need to trust me trust your own Bible
and you will find that the biblical
Scholars themselves have removed this
from the biblical text it in those
Bibles I quoted and many others it no
longer says begotten not not made it no
longer says only begotten son that has
been
removed they recognize that it's not
valid you should recognize it's not
valid also the person says no no no no I
grew up on the King James version that's
all I go by what do you got to say King
J James version was written in
1611 okay that's 400 uh that's 400 years
old um now I understand you might like
the way it's written but there were many
texts many biblical texts
discovered after that the most that the
earliest biblical texts ever discovered
were the Codex vaticanus and the codes
caticus and those were discovered after
the King James version was written so
that is new information not only new
information those are the earliest
biblical manuscripts that that uh the
Bible can be translated from and that
gives us the most reliable source for
information for the Bible and that
information was missing when the new
king when the King James version was
translated so if you want if you want
the best information the most the most
accurate translation of the Bible you
have to go to a Bible that was was
agreed upon by ecumenical council
meaning it it was agreed upon by a
coalition of uh of uh different U
Christian Christian groups and that is
the new revised Standard Version we only
have a minute left you still love Jesus
you're not a Christian anymore and
people could see our other show that we
did comparing how Muslims really follow
Christ more than the modern day
Christians today and how he worshiped
his mannerisms and all these other
details tell us now for the person who
really has an attachment to Jesus you
just broke it down five top reasons why
he's not the begotten Son of God not God
none of any of these things so who was
he briefly describe and where does the
person go from
here well quite simp Jesus Christ was
exactly what he said he was he was a man
he was a prophet bearing Revelation from
God uh he was sent to the lost sheep of
the House of Israel he was he was there
to bring them back from their deviation
and to provide a revelation which would
keep people upon the correct path but I
tell you what I was just talking with a
taxi driver the other day we were
driving down a long road and we were
having just this discussion he was
Catholic I'm a Muslim and I said you
know what it's like it's like this road
I said this is the path the Jews were on
this path the Christians were on this
path and the Muslims are at the end of
this path the Jews they pulled over and
parked with Moses and they said no they
won't they won't accept Jesus Christ
they won't accept John the Baptist okay
so they they just pulled over early and
parked that's where they stopped the
Christians continued on with John the
Baptist and with Jesus Christ and they
stopped there and they said this
suffices for us and they pulled over and
they stopped okay and they were happy
with their position but if you want to
get to the end of the road you have to
go with the final predicted Prophet
Muhammad peace be upon him so it's not
it's not a question necessarily of being
upon the wrong path sometimes sometimes
even if you're on the right path it's a
question of taking it all the way to the
end so if you if you truly love Jesus
you will you will believe in him as as
he taught us to believe in him and one
of the things that he taught was that
there was a final Prophet coming we can
talk talk about that in a later session
if you love Jesus you will look for that
final Prophet you will pray to God to
guide you to the religion of Truth and
when you find that Prophet final Prophet
you will accept him and the Revelation
with which he came we as Muslims believe
that is Muhammad the Revelation is the
Holy Quran and that is why we have
accepted Islam people who want to
continue on further maybe dialoguing
talking with you how could they get a
hold of you and also to read some of
your books that you discussed this more
in detail my my books are on my websites
along with my articles my conversion
story basically more than you would want
to know about me uh my websites are
Level truth.com
LL truth
t.com and
ec.com E EIG GTH scroll s r.com thank
you very much may God Almighty the
Creator Allah reward you for being with
us once again thank you a mean and
that's it for another episode of the
dean show that was the top five reasons
why Jesus peace be upon Him cannot be
never was the begotten Son of God God
doesn't have sons or daughters God
doesn't walk to Earth you can't take his
picture doesn't have an area cod he's
the creator of all that exists he's one
and alone worthy of worship and Jesus
worshiped the one God Moses did Abraham
and the last and final messenger peace
be upon him the prophet Muhammad peace
be upon him we don't worship Muhammad we
just follow his way the same way you
would have followed Jesus and Moses they
were teachers teaching us how to submit
how to worship how to become the best
human being that you can become and
that's not by following your desires
that's by doing God's Will and that's
Islam peace acquired by submitting to
the one God and a Muslim is one who does
this action we'll see you next time here
in De show until then peace be unto you