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with DNA info correct Mark's going to be
interviewing me today and I thought we
let you guys in on the action how's it
going Mark going very well tired after a
training session I'll let you go ahead
and do your job sure absolutely let's uh
start with a basic one up top uh when
and why did you start the dean show and
what is its purpose as a show as you see
it the dean show we started back
in
2006 and the primary purpose was when I
started to live this way of life uh
Islam I started to see that it was
bringing contentment peace satisfaction
in my life gave me discipline gave me a
good set of rules to live by helped me
to be a better human being all around I
started to see certain things on the
media that were antithesis to what I was
learning I started seeing this beautiful
way of life that's will lived by over
1.67 billion people in the world being
associated with terrorism and some of
the ugly things out there so I thought
okay I'm an American I love my country
people need to get educated and I
thought the media was a great way I was
learning this way of life and I loved
sharing it and I thought the more I can
educate people that have a totally
different perspective we can break
somebody's walls and we can follow
Foster and nurture goodness instead of a
lot of this hate that's arising from
misinformation and people just not
knowing yeah so that brings up another
question you've been very successful
using social media uh YouTube other
types of uh video media uh some print
media I think uh on the on the internet
so what are some of your numbers like
what are your Twitter numbers YouTube
numbers uh what kind of followers what
kind of viewings do you get for a show I
mean thank God we started off
just putting our content on what was
available at that time I think YouTube
was was uh kind of new we started
putting it out there then we got
involved with the local cable station
here in Chicago canant TV and then from
there I kind of got on board late with
some of the Facebook Twitter started
utilizing this and we also have people
who have reached out and wanted to
broadcast our shows on many of the
satellite channels so we're on several
satellite channels that have potential
viewership in the in the millions so we
have a good following amount of
following on the satellite TV and also
we have a few million on our couple
million on our Facebook and and hundreds
of thousands on the other big numbers so
a lot of people are watching listening
um so what do you see in popular culture
news media now uh you know recently that
misconstrues or misrepresents
Islam what we're seeing a lot
is
the the almost like advertisement out
there and fear Mong mongering that is
creating a riff between the people and
today we see such groups out there that
are being given a platform that don't
represent Islam that don't represent
Muslims give some specific examples who
you're talking about D have you heard of
this this group called D people call him
ISO Isis yep now Abdul Karim Jabar he
had a wonderful quote you know six-time
World NBA champion everybody knows Abdul
Kim Jabar he's also a Muslim and I and I
love on my show you see I Define words
cuz people think okay Muslim Arab
somebody maybe an alien or something but
no a Muslim is simply one who is chosen
consciously to submit to the
Creator to have a direct dialup
connection with the one who created
creation God almighty this is this is
something that Jesus did Moses and all
the messengers of God so this is what a
Muslim is and Abdul Kim Jabar he also
accepted Islam and he makes this quote
saying that when
KKK
Christians when they go and burn or have
burned crosses in black people's
yards Christians don't have to come out
condemning them because most people are
intelligent enough to know that they
don't represent mainstream Christianity
the same way if you look at for instance
there are over
1.7 billion Muslims all around the whole
world from everywhere Italy Germany
France all over and you see that CIA
reports have estimated between 21,000 to
35,000 people who have joined this group
ISO now if we go at the high number
let's say
35,000 you'll see that compare 1.6 let's
say 1.7 billion Muslims what is that
equal to the amount that's in this group
0.019% right tiny fraction now let's
take 1920s when KKK were at their
Pinnacle Prime they had 5 million
members can you believe 5 million
members out of a population of around
106 million in the 1920s today you still
have functioning branch is you can go
online and you can pick which one you
want to join because they're all over
the place now KKK is like the white Isis
all right this is the same thing and
most people are intelligent to know they
don't represent Christians the same way
this group who by the way Mark people
don't know that they are killing
actually Muslims are the ones who hate
this group the most not only are they
defaming
Islam they're also killing more Muslims
and you don't get to see just recently
you had in Beirut you had in Istanbul
Turkey you had innocent people Muslims
who are killed we don't have press
coverage for that you follow me but as
soon as some deranged lunatic does
something and you know has anything he
ate with a Muslim you know he had uh a
dog that had mus I mean a pet Nam Muslim
name whatever the case anything linked
with Islam There You Go 24 press media
press coverage un un un um even uh
report unbi I mean bias reporting you
see that uh this is something that is
really disheartening you know to to
Peaceful um people who are out there who
just want to live like everyone else you
know and and and live with their
neighbors and be understood in the
correct way but then you have media
twisting it and we're obviously made to
look like suspect now yeah yeah um so
this is right down that same line as a
Muslim do you feel it's an obligation
for yourself and other Muslims to
counter The Narrative is it the
responsibility of Outsiders to educate
themselves or ideally would you like to
see a combination of both Muslims out
there countering The Narrative and
people also educating themselves who
might not be Muslim to get to figure out
what the truth is despite what the
popular you know narratives might be as
Muslims those who have who live this way
of life um we're we're told to share
this message to
help eradicate any kind of false fears
that anyone has through educating people
and it's everyone's individual duty to
go ahead and try to dispel one of these
many of these myths that are associated
with Islam but at the same time you know
will often hear you know these cliches
that uh that are thrown out there that
why don't Muslims condemn terrorism you
follow me yes so every time let's say
someone will go and blow up a
a abortion clinic or commit a mass
shooting or these KKK neo-nazis who do
horendous acts and their religion is not
mentioned they you don't have uh
recently you had what was called
hirosima on a light switch many people
didn't hear of a gentleman by the name
of Crawford he was a developed a weapon
of mass destruction and he was a
Christian members of their Church
started coming here to pray for them
they were unaware of the details that
surrounded their rest and unaware that
Crawford was a self-proclaimed member of
the clu clux Clan he's also accused of
caring in animosity toward Muslims and
uh targeting them in this attack members
of the barkersville Christian church say
they are shocked by this and think it's
all a mistake adding the crawfords are
nice giving people who aren't the type
that would be involved in a terrorist
group there obviously is many more
detailed and you didn't we didn't expect
his whole church to come out they were
actually saying good things about him
saying we didn't expect this his good
Family Man whatnot but he was planning
to kill President Obama he was planning
to to decimate and kill uh Muslims with
a murderous plan allegedly called for
attaching an industrial grade x-ray
machine to a specially designed
triggering device stored in a truck the
weapon would be mobile shooting
concentrated doses of radiation on
unsuspected targets who would die within
2 weeks among the potential Target
sources say Muslims and President Obama
with this this contraption that this
stuff you make up this was this stuff
out of a sci-fi movie that this this
x-ray um type of of uh Mass weapon of
mass destruction would go through a wall
penetrate and 500 people two weeks later
can just end up dying you didn't hear
much about this at all in the media
people don't know about it imagine if
Muslims were doing this this this is
something unheard of so now uh we we
should as as human beings be making this
human Connection getting to know our
neighbors and really not swallowing
everything we're being fed by many
politicians who are using fear for a
certain agenda to divide and these are
the things that at the end if we are
intelligent enough to go to the source
go into you had many of these rallies
recently in Arizona and other places
people uh having derogatory t-shirts
saying uh really hurtful things
demeaning things um and then when they
went into one particular man Jason
Ledger and his uncles say they've been
invited back to the mosque for more
discussions and they plan to go this
time the T-shirt will stay at home I
feel that me and a few people like my
Uncle Paul and the Muslim people taken
time to talk to each other I feel that
we changed the thoughts of some people
and they changed the thoughts of me Paul
specifically said I will never wear that
shirt again when I took a second to sit
down and listen to them and actually
enter their mosque and go and watch some
of their prayers it was a beautiful
thing and they answered some of my
questions that I had when he went into
the mosque he sat with Muslims he had a
totally different perspective because he
was educated because he made the human
connection
yeah yeah okay this is um this is right
down the same line maybe it's it's going
deeper into what we're talking about
right here so uh you'll often hear
people say uh where are the Muslims out
there shouting that you know we hate
these murderers and isol or Dash uh the
governments in Syria Etc are Muslims
doing this and not being heard or is it
a case of a double standard where
because Islam is not the native religion
of the quote native religion of the
United States maybe it faces tougher
scrutiny and judgment than another group
might thank God that the dean show we're
going on since
2006 that's over 10 years 500 episodes
we have brought on many of the prominent
speakers scholars in America and around
the world and and we have
condemned such actions you know in the
Quran this is very clear in chapter 5:32
it said states God Almighty is stating
that whoever kills one innocent being is
if you killed killed all of humanity if
saving one innocent being as if you
saved the world so the texts are
clear that hurting innocent people
non-combatants this is something that is
definitely not a part of the teachings
of Islam now we've also had
Scholars big
organizations such as care and other
groups come out and condemn these things
but it's sad to say that we don't have
the platform nor many of these
organizations such as the dean show and
others are not being given the
microphone to go ahead and let the
masses hear our voices another thing is
real beautiful when you hear I just
heard
a President Bill Clinton you know him
everybody knows bill right Bill Clinton
was giving an account of what he
portrayed as the majority of Muslims how
they are in the US because it was a New
York daily article that was talking
about a yemeni Muslim who had been
working at a convenience store and he
got stuck up Bill Clinton is narrating
the story looked at it and said I've
just had this job for a year this is not
my money and it's not yours and he
slapped at the gun hand the person
standing closest to it
that guy is more
representative of most Muslims in
America than what have
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he said that a man came in at gunpoint
to stick him up said give me give me the
money the Muslim opened up the drawer
took the money he was about to give and
he said you know what I've just only had
this job for a year this is not your
money it's not my money I'm not giving
you the money and he smacked the gun out
of his hand the gun actually uh went off
bullet hit the counter the man realized
look I'm in the middle of you know this
New York City I better get out he got
away he left off the Muslim got the rest
of the day off his employer was very
happy went home prayed and thank God and
then at the end Bill Clinton said you
know what that guy is more
representative of most Muslims in
America and what
happen this is the majority of Muslims
here in America these are the people
that basically saying that Americans
need to know about he gave another
example of Kenya so the Muslims went
around giving headscarves to the
Christian women and otherwise trying to
disguise them and they risk their lives
to save the Christian minority where
there was a group of Muslims and
Christians riding on a bus and a
terrorist group came uh and was trying
to separate the Muslims and the
Christians and what happened the Muslims
ended up disguising the women putting
hijabs on them and risk their own lives
to save the Christians risk their lives
to save the Christian minority so these
stories people don't hear about these
stories the majority we talked about ISO
0.019% over here and 247 coverage all
day and night that's all you hear but
now all the good that Muslims are doing
you don't hear about these stories it's
nice to hear President Clinton you know
share share this a couple good stories
from him um all right so bringing it
back uh locally a little bit uh how is
life in your opinion from what you've
seen and what you hear in Chicago for a
Muslim because uh sometimes you'll hear
these claims that life in America as a
Muslim after 9911 has been a form of
hell but that doesn't seem quite
accurate so has there been any specific
threats against your community been
targeted for anything or do you find
that it's a more complicated situation
sometimes it's very good other times you
might run into pockets of people who are
more prejudiced what is life like been
in Chicago in your opinion is it a big
deal or no I think Chicago like New York
and some of these more urban cities the
big cities where you have a mixture of
nationalities religions it's not as bad
as if you go outside some of these areas
where people haven't really gotten out
the box right right right where you have
many people who if you don't look like
them talk like
them sway like them have a accent like
them or slang like them it's not you're
not one of them and anything else you're
just you're not in
and when you don't have
access to the
information and someone also is
not with you to make that human
connection you don't have a taxi driver
that's a Muslim possibly like you do in
Chicago uh maybe you don't have like
here most of the the doctors are Muslim
doctors right Engineers scientists so
you're able to professors you're able to
go to the university and your Prof
professors a Muslim and you got you get
to make the human connection you go to
the doctor it's a Muslim doctor human
connection right and there's that good
in every human being you follow me that
needs to be nurtured and when it's
nurtured through the right
channels then like Nelson Mandela had
said beautiful statement he said that
nobody is born
hating that people are taught this so
now you're in a rural area you never met
a Muslim and now you hear somebody these
politicians spewing this hate pumping
you up making it seem like the
boogeyman's coming to get you you foll
me that Fosters it you're taught that so
we need to teach them how to love and
that's what the dean show is about and
Muslims are the majority about trying to
get the message out really trying to be
represented their the right way to show
that we are a Community of Peace we have
a greeting of peace peace be with you we
pray for peace we want peace we live a
way of Peace yeah well said uh all right
closing in here just a couple more
questions for you um so we spoke a
little bit the other day and uh you gave
me some specific examples of Outreach
you've done in the community uh what
were some of those uh with uh your
professor friends uh your doctor friends
you go out and uh I think there were
some Outreach to gang members uh some
other just Community open houses what
were a few of those things that you do
yeah the Muslim Community is is very
active in feeding the poor and setting
up different we have a a free clinic
it's on the southide it's called Iman
and they're doing some great work these
are doctors who come together people who
don't have insurance they're not able to
afford health care they have free
healthcare they have Pantry set up
feeding the poor and this is what it's
about making the connection helping the
community
uh we also we do open houses recently me
and my good friend Dr seil we were at a
a mosque in
Bloomington and we invited the mayor
came in for a short time you had the
police chief the commander a priest and
community
members and they got to hear what Islam
was about they got to ask questions the
human connection was
made at the end end nothing but good
feedback everyone had a great time ate
some food we got to interact and
everyone was like more people need to
learn this more people need to be
educated because it's through that
education through the human connection
that's where a lot of this hate false
fear and these misconceptions that are
out there can dissim can be eradicated
and we can start to understand each
others as neighbors because we have to
understand that you know Muslims ain't
going nowhere right Christians ain't
going nowhere right we're here we're
living together so we need to get to
know each other get to know our
neighbors and need to work together to
live together in peace yeah so these are
these are friends and neighbors
scenarios this is going out and
realizing these people uh Muslims are
not in any way others they're Americans
they live next door to you and they're
uh just people exactly like you are so
that's what these things are all right
um so last question here we're uh at
Jiu-Jitsu Academy so let's get one there
um how do you think this Academy fits
into all of this in terms of the example
it sets for how you live your life is it
uh great advertisement uh for how you
live your life maybe for Islam maybe for
your the red ofic family or do you like
to keep it neutral here and just lead by
an example how how does this all fit
into your your plan as soon as you come
in to the academy there's a statement on
the wall that says the best of you are
those who have the best manners and
character so along with when you go back
and you look at some of of the ancient
Samurai Traditions there was principles
that were involved in martial arts a lot
of we've lost a lot of that it was a
controlling of one's ego ones self and
to now a lot of days what happens people
learn and train martial arts the ego
becomes bigger and they become
destructive in the community right doing
some you see many of the uh UFC fighters
MMA fighters this guy's beat up this
girl This Guy's in jail for this this
guy's in cocaine this guy's on this drug
yeah you see when you have when you
learn and you have a good teacher not
just teaching you how to throw a punch
how to knock someone out how to submit
somebody but at the same time helping to
work on the heart on the spirit these
things nurturing that good inside that
they can have a reference point to look
back to and to control that
ego by getting this confidence that the
martial arts teaches you at the end when
you have a complete
n to your Martial Art not just I'm a
tough guy and I can knock someone out
but at the same time my manners are
better my character is better my
self-confidence is better I'm a better
human being all all in in every aspect I
now am confident that if someone tries
to because it's self-defense defending
oneself I'm not and we stress this that
now if anybody's caught doing anything
disruptive in the community or or out
there you know using this in the wrong
way they're not part of this they'll be
um expelled from this team they we
stress that this is something that at
the end is supposed to empower you but
at the same time you have a
responsibility at the same time now you
carry this with you but you have a great
responsibility so we try to cover every
aspect that now will help to make a
complete martial artist you follow me
not just one or two but every aspect as
was done in Karate Kid have you seen
karate kid kid he's the best around yeah
yeah great movie all right let's uh
let's close down with uh what does the
the dean show the dean means something
specifically doesn't that what does the
dean show mean
absolutely uh the dean is a word that
means the way de n Deen yes some people
say oh what's up Mr Dean no no this Dean
is is a way of life okay and again you
know they in the essence of Education
look we try
to make the information known who
Muslims are what Muslims believe it's
not our job to try to uh convert anybody
uh you know a lot of times when we bring
up religion most people
they it's a personal subject but here at
the dean show it's something that now
there's all this Mass hysteria about
Islam we want to show that Islam is an
open book this is what it teaches it's
for everybody if you like it you can
have it also if not at least you
understand it now so Dean is a way of
life a way of life we say that was lived
by all the messengers that the Creator
sent to guide Humanity out of his love
He sent Jesus and many people don't know
this that you cannot be a Muslim one who
submitted to the will of the Creator not
the creation unless you love and rever
Jesus as one of the mightiest messengers
of God again commonalities we have so
imagine you're hanging out with somebody
and now you're like you like baseball me
too you like Jiu-Jitsu me too you like
Italian me too you got all these you got
about a hundred things in common but you
got a couple things that you don't agree
on you can politely agree to disagree on
these things right because the small
things that or or actually the things
that that we don't agree upon is that
Jesus was
God that he called people to worship him
but we love Jesus as a messenger of God
and this is something that that we we
make clear we believe in original
goodness not original sin so those are
the things that are are the differences
but now there's so many commonalities
that we love his Blessed Mother there's
a whole chapter named after the Blessed
Mother the Virgin Mary in the Quran
there was just recently a professor
Hawkins who is having her position I
believe terminated because she stood in
solidarity with Muslims she's a
Christian professor and she wore what
you see on Mary Jesus's mother and
what's called the hijab it's just a
modest dress that she put on that's
actually if you look at it's part of the
teachings of Christianity it's in the
Bible so now we point point out these
similarities in this way of life yeah
right that we're not the Antichrist that
we don't we love Christ that uh we we
worship the same God we have a different
way we believe in pure monotheism that
we don't worship anything in creation
but only the creator of creation that's
it that's it done and you have a right
to your way we have a right to our way
but at the end let's try to understand
each other and by understanding each
other that's how we can live in
peace well said hopefully we reach some
uh understanding today it was
enlightening I'm out of questions so
thanks for uh thanks for having me on
and thanks for talking for DNA info
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