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assalamu alaikum peace be unto you
i'm eddie your host and you're watching
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at 2 p.m. now we're going to be talking
about something there's some confusion
out there we know that design indicates
a designer that there is an Orchestrator
behind this universe and everything in
it and when you bring the definition of
God who he is it has to be simple
it can't be confusing it can't have any
ambiguity in it and we have learned that
this creator has sent messengers
throughout time and they've all come
with the same message submit to the one
God worship Him alone your two-year-old
can understand that it's very simple
when we come back we're going to help
clear up some of the confusion somehow
this word Trinity got in the mix somehow
the one God some people try to split him
up like a pie make them into three not
three but one I'm already getting
confused and I think I can add now when
we come back our intention is not to
hurt anybody's feelings our intention is
to clear up the confusion and to deliver
the truth so you want to go no we'll be
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Herman is his messenger Allah
there's only one where Jesus was his
messenger why did that maybe it maybe is
just to break the ice and we're back
here on a Dean show and our guest today
come on my brother and your brother how
are you Elle Mickey and hung did that
how's it going no it's okay you're back
in Chicago loving in here you've been
here before
the weather's great yeah I've been here
many times before yeah
so we have we've had you on the show
before people can go to the Dean show
calm you have your own section there and
they can view some of the past shows
that we've covered now you heard me
introduce the topic about the create or
about the confusion God is not the
author of confusion he makes things
simple human beings make it complicated
so we want to kind of try to unravel
things and bring things back to their
pure state I don't wanna have fun nobody
greatest want to deliver the truth we're
gonna kick it off with this Trinity what
happened here where does come from
excellent personal bismillah not okay
man hamdulillah also outward said I
monitoring that I want to first start by
by just relaying now a story of
something that happened when I visited
Thailand now when I visited Thailand I
was about seven or eight years old right
so now I'm not trying to be funny I'm
not trying to be a wise go and I tell
you this story so I this is just
basically the the observations of an
eight or a seven year old that can't
even recall how old I was at the time
you know had my siblings brothers and
sisters with me every store you enter in
Thailand or home or shop you find they
have a small statue of what their God
and they put food in front of the statue
and then because it was summer the food
would dry up so they throw it away they
put new fresh food this might happen
twice three or four times a day
depending on what they put how it dries
up and they do it again the next day our
number of times a day and they keep
doing it multiple times per day for many
many years so some of them for 50 60
years have been changing the food for
the idol for the God for so long now
just the observation of a seven or eight
year
we used to mean and with my brothers and
sisters we'd look at them and we'd laugh
we would say don't they realize that he
hasn't ever eaten don't they ask him
when you take the dry food away you know
you haven't taken a bite in the last 40
or 50 years this is what we were saying
back then it's not because now this is
my point behind this story it's not
because the seven or eight year old was
smarter than the sixty year old who is
constantly changing the food for his
entire life it's simply that the seven
or eight year old was viewing the
incident from outside of what we call
the box because the person changing the
food is inside the box the box is a
frame of mind a thought process you
believe certain things about it and
because you look at it from within the
box you don't see what's wrong with it
you see now let me take the viewers to
something that they might have looked at
from outside of a box on the Discovery
Channel they there is a clip where
there's this man taking care of a temple
where there it has thousands and
thousands of rats in India and basically
he believes obviously that these are
reincarnated souls and so on and so
forth so he feeds them and he sits on
the floor and you've probably seen the
clip these rats are all over his head
his shoulder and then just thousands of
rats now because he is inside the box he
sees himself taking care of the souls of
his reincarnated you know I don't know
what you call them brothers sisters
what-have-you but because we view it on
the Discovery Channel outside of the box
to be honest and I'm again I'm not
trying to be funny we just see a guy
with a bunch of rats on his head let's
be honest yeah because we're viewing the
incident from outside of the ball side
the box there was one of the Companions
of the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu said
let me Allah sent his peace and
blessings and extol upon him he his name
was humbling of jihad and he had an idol
and the first thing he would wake up in
the morning he would go to this God made
of wood and he would pray to it his sons
became Muslims and they wanted him to
see that this is just a wooden statue so
the first day they woke up early and
they threw it in the trash so he was
really upset and he swore if I found who
did this to the idol you know hurt them
and do this and that to them so he
brought it washed it or
it and put it in its place again the
second one they woke up beforehand they
throw in the trash again so he was so
irate he said if I find out who's doing
this to you I will destroy them third
morning or third and third day they took
it and threw it in the dump one nursin
says they tied it to the carcass of a
dead dog
so he went looking for the God again and
this is a God that's supposed to bring
him good push away harm from him he saw
it in the dump tied to the carcass of a
dead dog he looked at it he said if you
and actually the second night what
happened he put a sword he hung a sword
over the neck of the statue of this God
and said if they come to throw you in
the trash defend yourself yeah third day
he finds it attached to the body of a
dead dog he looks at it and he says by
Allah if you could defend if you could
do any good for your own self if you
could do any good you would have
defended your own self you would have
done good for your own self pushed harm
from your own self if you can't do it
for your own self how can you do it for
me
what happened in this story is that his
sons got him to step outside of the box
I don't know if you paint or you draw
yeah but when you draw they teach you to
step back from your painting or from
what you're drawing yeah just to get
another look at it because sometimes
when you're looking at something from up
close it's crooked but you can't see it
like when you write on a blackboard your
line is crooked but you can't see when
you're up close so when you step away
now you can't really see very clearly
yeah so this is what we need people to
do people need to step outside of the
box for a moment and look again take
another critical unbiased and analytical
look at what they're doing and what they
believe in
does does it make sense when you step
out of the box and now this is this is
the introduction before we start talking
about the Trinity because the Trinity as
much as some people on earth firmly and
strongly believe in it they are there I
believe actually nobody really
understands how it works the concept of
something three things that are one even
though they are physically separate
items and we don't have anything on
earth that can be described in that
similar manner so what happens is
sometimes people need to just take a
pause and step back and look at them and
what they're believing in does it make
sense when you take a step back or not
we did
this one time we had a discussion with
five missionaries and they were in
charge of teaching Bible study at our
University in Virginia yeah and we
started by getting them to think outside
of the box so we asked a simple question
the question was is the Trinity 3 + 1 or
1 + 3 and basically there were five
missionaries and they were teaching
Bible study they should know the Bible
very well but they were quiet they were
all looking down and thinking was it 3 +
1 or 1 + 3 and I let them keep thinking
they kept thinking and kept thinking and
kept thinking and in the end I had to
give them the answer I said obviously
you believe it's 3 & 1 because if you
say 1 in 3 you're admitting to
worshiping 3 gods suddenly all of them
start saying yes maybe you're right
you're right yes absolutely you're right
expound on that for a second how did you
clarify this how do they worship three
gods if they said one it's because if
they say we worship one God who is in
three different places they're admitting
to one two three gods the easier thing
is to say we have the three God heads
but their old one and they unite is one
yeah if you end with this word one you
still have one God but he end with there
were three yeah yeah but why would they
they know this most Christians know it's
three and one everyone knows it's about
Trinity but they were thinking for so
long because they never considered what
one in three men they never thought of
that
so that got them to step outside of the
box a second question we asked again got
them to think about this from in a way
they never looked at it before we asked
him this that there are three gods God
the Father this is back when Jesus was
on earth so according to you God the Son
on earth God the spirit wherever the
spirit was then God the Son dies for
three days during those three days how
many gods were there that would be Jesus
the Son so according yeah so when Jesus
died for three days the third God had
according to them how many gods were
there so now you either have to say two
because three minus one is two or you
have to instill insist on 1 which means
1 plus 1 plus 1 is 1 and 1 plus 1 is
still 1 yeah or you have to say 2
so this becomes a problem so we asked
him this question and it was difficult
for them to answer because they never
considered that what does that mean and
then some started to say well he went up
somewhere else and but then but then the
the gospel said that he had died for
three days you know that he will be
resurrected on the third day and so on
and so forth so it caused a problem and
it got people to think outside of the
box how could this be that 1 plus 1 plus
1 is 1 and 1 plus 1 is still 1 and as
one person tried to be a little crafty
he said well 1 times 1 times 1 equals 1
what do you say well what we say to it
is that when you're adding 3 different
things you don't multiply by 1 if I give
you you know 3 $100 bills you're not
gonna say 1 times one thing that's $100
on the table because if that's the case
I want to do business with you I want to
borrow a lot of money from you and I'm
gonna give it back to you using your
logic see we don't accept this kind of
logic when it comes to things in this
life so why do we accept this kind of
explanation when it comes when it
applies to the Creator you see so then
I'll tell you a other time I sat down
with someone and he was a very honest
man I asked him very quickly
look how does this Trinity thing work
and he was a very honest man he said
look nobody really knows how it works he
was actually a pastor ahead of his
church and he said nobody really knows
how it works
so then the next question was why why
would Allah reveal something that you
can't understand and Link it to your
salvation say that again why would why
would God the Creator that have is an
error reveal something to you that you
can't understand which is Trinity
yeah and link Trinity to your salvation
let's hold it right there now we're
going to take a break and then you're
gonna tell us the rest of the Star Trek
you have to pray as if everything
depends on
but you must work everything depends on
you it does that's my point you see the
same and I don't like that I don't like
us sitting here what are you waiting for
what are we waiting for right now what
are you waiting for all these people
that come to this line what are you
waiting for what are we waiting for
right now when they're gonna come
they're gonna come to log on bring these
people lost upon the water put in our
hand the ability to do it now do your
job
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back here on the Dean's shoulders
continue on right from where we left off
why would the creator of the heavens and
earth Allah go ahead okay and I just
want to preface this by saying that I
know I'm not trying to be insulting to
anyone I'm gonna give you actual
discussions that I've had with pastors
and people who are like either they were
missionaries or people who teach you
know Bible study or they were heads of
churches real situations yeah with real
people he's a real situation not
anything where we're trying to ridicule
another faith because in Islam were
commanded to obey to like respect all
religions and respect to followers of
all other faiths so we're not trying to
be funny here not trying to make fun of
anybody this is an actual discussion
that happened I asked a man he's the
head of his church okay how does the
Trinity thing work he said no one really
knows how it works so it's but but yet
believing in Trinity is linked to your
salvation so I asked him why would God
reveal something that you can't
understand and then link it to your
salvation that's like me telling you hey
Eddie you know I've got some funding for
you to so you can do you know your show
and everything is $20,000 but you need
to levitate in the air for half an hour
doesn't make like you can't do it so why
would I give you the reward or linked
your reward to something you can't do
why would God link your salvation to a
concept that nobody understands nobody
understands it and this is a pastor
telling me no one understands it really
no one can truly explain it but now if
they come with these explanations about
the egg and the yolk the water and all
these other things that people might
come up there they're all analogies that
once we like we'll look at the egg
basically saying that the egg is
composed of three ingredients but it's
one egg but the problem is that when you
physically separate the ingredient it's
not an egg anymore you know if you see
the white on the floor you're not gonna
think that's that's you won't know what
it is actually so it's not called an egg
so the same thing that the triune gods
were physically separate so you can't
call them one they're not even in one
location you know what about the water
with the water ice yeah that it's solid
liquid gas or ice liquid and yeah and
get and vapor and but the problem is
again this is an example of one and
three not three and one as we had agreed
that
three and one so you can't give an
example of one in three water which is
one thing in three different states to
explain one in three in one it doesn't
it doesn't work out yeah
so what you might ask well there are
many things we don't know about God I
mean we don't know everything about God
so why can't we not know about the
Trinity no because 20 is linked to your
salvation take an example now in Islam
in Islam you'll find the things that are
essential to your going to paradise are
very easy to understand right for
example one of the things that I find it
like quite complicated in Islam is
Islamic finance okay I don't know if you
ever looked into it quite a very tricky
very complicated very intricate imagine
to get to paradise in Islamia to
understand Islamic finance that would be
a nightmare yeah paradise would be empty
but to get to paradise you have to
understand a very easy simple concept
like you said an endured introduction a
two-year-old can understand it there is
one God that's it that's it hey do we
need night-night classes for that that's
it there's one god that's the end of the
story we don't need to explain anything
any other number you need to explain how
their - how their three how their seven
you need an explanation
but one God you don't need an
explanation for them so it can't be that
well we don't understand many things
about God therefore Trinity is one of
those things no Trinity is linked to
your salvation it has to be easy to
comprehend the simple man in the street
has to be able to understand the message
that is linked to his or her salvation
so so then he he did kind of start to go
down the route were saying you know well
it's actually a mystery you know it's
very mysterious and God works in
mysterious ways
and as you coded earlier you know it
says in the Bible that God is not the
author of confusion so where would this
mystery come from if God didn't author
the confusion and so just by asking
these questions now the man was
beginning to see to step outside of the
box you know and see that this can't be
the case and I actually asked him a
question and I'm again I'm trying to I'm
going to try to quote exactly what I
said to him and what he said to me I
talked him I'm not asking you which one
you prefer which one you like more which
one you love I'm asking you which makes
more sense to you the concept of God in
Islam that there's only one God that's
where they worship he has
partner no children no relatives nobody
gives birth to him and he doesn't give
birth to anyone or the concept of God in
Christianity the triune God specifically
who is three and physical different
physical locations but is still one one
of them dies instead of becoming -
there's still one which is easier to
comprehend and I quote the man the
pastor of the leader of his church he
said the one that is more intellectually
satisfying is the Islamic version now
that he continued on that path of
worshipping God as three parts but one
in the Trinity or did he come around to
accepting no he continued he's the body
why why do people just continue to do
this is more based off emotion and just
habit now
yeah it's a lot of things like sometimes
and I've actually met people who said
yeah I like what you're saying and it
makes more sense to me and I'm more
comfortable with it but this is who I am
or this is what my parents were and I
can't and I'm comfortable this way you
know many people don't want to leave the
comfort zone
many times people know that it's better
for them to stop doing something and
they continue let's take the easiest
example of smokers yeah they know they
should stop but they keep going yeah so
it applies and it can be this is a
really good example I had actually a
situation where the gentleman before I
can finish the sentence he's basically
finished it for me that he knows that it
killed so many people he knows he
actually said that he went to the class
and he saw the the lungs at their worst
point where it's black and even the
professor who was teaching the class
went outside with him did you have a
smoke Wow after all that so so sometimes
there are many different things that
pull on the individual to not make the
change even if they feel this is the
right change you know and like I said
there are thousand one different reasons
so that's you think that's one of the
main one is just now it's Who I am this
is what I do it's just I never do it for
some people also you cannot offset 50
years of belief with ten minutes of
explanation albeit even if it's
excellent explanation you can offset 50
years of what I used to be so and and in
the end you know out of it the ultimate
the guidance is in the hands of Allah of
course continue on giving us some
more examples we'll be right back I just
want to say very simple message one of
the beautiful things about our religion
of Islam is the emphasis on direct
ritual and prayer that God directly
there is no intermediary the lights will
go on after the party and the party will
end it's very simple and very clear
there are no superstitious rituals no
strange incantations the time was
running out
we might not make it till tomorrow and
this is something that we need to think
about have you spoken to other people
this was a minister or a deacon or this
person that you were talking yeah yeah
he was like he was the pastor of his
church yeah
there was another time and and again I'm
going to try to only quote actual things
that happened to me personally so that
no one thinks now that we're making
things up or trying to be insulting
anything one time and this this
discussion happened over there the radio
is a live on on this show and and I
called into this show and a minister
called into the show and basically my
argument was that you know Jesus
actually was not divine was not a God he
never said he was alright he never said
he was and and this is what we tell
people look go by the red letter Bible
you're familiar with us it's a regular
Bible but everything spoken by Jesus is
in red ink
okay go by it it's not very expensive
just go by the red letter Bible come
home read the letters in red only you're
saying this on the radio soil yes I saw
this on the radio show and I'm saying it
right now to the viewers go and read the
red letters only what Jesus said and
just close the book don't look what
anybody else said did do you walk away
with Jesus telling you I'm God you need
to worship me
I'm divine you don't you only get that
message from other people hinting
towards it or explicit or explicitly
saying it but when you look at the
message of Jesus the Jews sent priests
and Levites to him or when they asked
him you know what is the first
commandment he repeated word-for-word
what Moses said before him here o Israel
the Lord our God is one Lord does he
ever once say people you need to bow
down kneel and
shipme he said and worship the father
who is in heaven the woman called him
good teacher he says why do you call me
good it is only the father who was good
so he's and in his many times he'll say
my father who has sent me go to Bible
comm and look for those words sent my
father sent me and see how many times he
says I was sent just like all the
prophets that were sent with a message
he gave many lectures speeches he
preached the sermon of the mount many of
these famous like speeches and he taught
in people's homes along the roadsides
how come not once does he clearly say
listen people clearly and explicitly I
am God
you need to worship me I'm the third
Godhead what do I have today Eddy we
have hints to the triune God we have
things that say well this is an
indication that Jesus was God but look
that's not acceptable let's be realistic
now what about the word Trinity is it in
the Bible no the word Trinity is not in
the Bible
but I'm willing to let that argument
slide okay they might say well the word
Trinity is not in the Bible but they're
hints to the Trinity look hint a hint is
not acceptable suppose now I give you a
book all right that says you know learn
French in 30 days you read the whole
book there's nothing about French does
that make sense to you the cover says
French yeah you read the whole thing
there's nothing about French if Jesus
was the son of God sent to die for
people's sins and he should be
worshipped he would have made that
message very very clear there's no way
that you would sit with him and listen
to his lectures and not walk away with
that message very clearly yeah you think
you would hint to that it doesn't make
sense you're dying now and you need
someone to save you you're not gonna
hint that you need help you're gonna
scream out he'll definitely and the guy
who is there the the lifeguard of the
coastguard he's not gonna hint the his
some fisherman he's gonna say look we're
here and this is our job to help you so
he wouldn't hint or with all these
sermons he's just hinting to Trinity
that's not except this is salvation this
is our the more important most important
thing the most important message can't
be a hint can't be vague and it can't be
a mystery and so that's what we were
saying that it cannot be that you look
throughout the whole Bible not once and
underlined the words clearly and
explicitly does Jesus say look I need
be worshipped I'm the third Godhead so
what do we have
hint towards something of the divinity
of Jesus but like I said hints are not
acceptable so you have things like I am
the word or I and the father are one
or in the beginning or the there were
three there are three that bear record
in heaven like this is in the beginning
of the Gospel of John which the footnote
tells you was added in the sixteenth
century so this is so this is a lot of
times people use well there were three
that bear record in heaven but this was
added you look at the footnote it's not
a secret it was added later on I mean
quite recently actually so it can't be
that the most important message is never
clearly spoken about it's just
impossible use not there's not a
textbook on earth that says on the cover
this is what I'm about and you read the
whole thing you can't find it clearly it
has to be clear how do you how do you
type we won't go into specifics because
we don't have that much time but for the
people who will come adamantly and
passionately and full of emotion and
zeal and they'll quote a dozen
half-a-dozen verses and they'll try to
justify the Trinity it's so interesting
really that as as much whatever is
quoted you can quote something similar
as a similar like passage or description
about someone besides Jesus but here
they won't take it literally for example
John 3:16 right the the God or Jesus
being God's only begotten son very
popular verse so the word begotten here
is what sets him apart from anyone else
being because you know the believers are
children of God right according to the
Gospel of John but here the begotten son
is what makes him separate and apart
from everyone else yeah but we haven't
in psalms chapter 2 verse 6 God speaks
directly directly to David and he says
you are my son this day I have begotten
thee now people don't take this literal
we have the word begotten here spoken
directly from God to David and yet
people don't see him as one of the sons
of God they don't take it literally here
yeah but here they do but but that's not
fair and that's not how it works this is
a really good example I mean what do you
say to this now what is an excuse if
someone will give you why they take it
literally in for Jesus peace be upon
them but here they don't because what
they do is they try to attach it
two other things that were said by Jesus
going back to the story of the the
minister that called in on the show he
said Jesus clearly said I am God because
jesus said I am the word and so there
everyone was quiet so then he had to
explain how this means I'm God he says
when you go to Genesis so now this is
900 pages earlier in the Old Testament
so you gotta somehow link it you got a
link so you got to go all the way back
to the Old Testament to Genesis the
first book then it says in the beginning
was the word and the Word was with God
and Jesus now said I'm the word that
means that's him he was with God so they
asked him a question said listen and
again I'm telling you exactly what I
told the man I said I'm going to take
the Bible right now and go out into the
street and talk to people who are
Christian okay and maybe they're not
very knowledgeable about the Bible or
well versed but I'm gonna open it to
that page and show everyone in the
street look Jesus said I'm the word what
do you get from that what do you think
the average person industry will
understand from I am the word oh that
means Jesus was a third Godhead and he
needs to be worshipped you can't get all
that information with this until you
make the 900-page jump to the beginning
and force it into that link force it
force it and that's why when you tell
him David was a begotten Son of God they
don't link it but they forced any other
link because they because the mindset is
to believe the frame of mine is that
Jesus was the big autumn sort of God so
even if there's something hinting to
anything they will look at it that way
for example where it says I am the
father are one now what does that mean
one in purpose or one literally
obviously it's not literal because the
father's in the heavens and he was on
earth so what does it mean or when he
says I mean there's no way to the Father
except through me you know as a Muslim
that makes perfect sense to you yeah
Jesus said the only way to the father is
through me it makes perfect sense if God
sent a prophet to earth to guide you are
you gonna bypass him and find your way
to God no and bypass that prophet it's
got to be through him he was sent to
guide you that's all it means but when
when you're in the mindset of believing
Jesus was the son of God everything that
hints to it you will take it as such
tell us now we
said earlier that we sincerely we want
to deliver the truth we're not trying to
step on your toes nobody hurt nobody's
feelings now that somebody is being
sincere open-minded humble hearted and
they say you know what this man makes
sense
it looks at his wife the wife those are
the husband say hey this is making sense
what do they do now deliver but you you
know what where do they go from here
talk to us deliver the true concept of
God and some advice to him excellent
first of all I do want to say that the
the message of one God is extremely
consistent throughout the Bible all and
new Testament included in the Old
Testament so many times he will talk
about or God will warn people of taking
other others in worship besides him all
the prophets would tell people to
worship one God only and God a court in
the Old Testament says I am your Lord
besides me there is no God suddenly in
the New Testament we discover that there
are three supposedly now this actually
is a jump in a diversion from what we
have learned we've been learning all
these thousands of years of the prophets
saying there's one God only there's no
other God you're the Lord their God is
one Lord suddenly we hear three but then
Jesus himself didn't say there's three
he said worship the father he should
worship God he tells me what the worship
God he said there's only one Lord same
thing that the Jesus that Moses said
before him so what happens now is you're
starting to see the consistent message
of all the prophets sent by God this
consistent message of Jesus read the red
letters don't take my word for it and
this is the message of the Prophet that
came after Jesus as well the prophet
mohammed salah salem in arabia who also
came and called people to worship only
one God who has no partner who has no
children who has no relatives or
anything of that sort nobody gives birth
to him and he does not give birth and
also didn't change the basic message of
the ten commandments and everything
stays consistent so you're actually
following what would be the true message
of Jesus by accepting the message of his
brother and Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu
an Inside Man thank you very much
there being a fuss and helping to make
these things very
clear and very simple one God and we
cleared up the confusion about the
Trinity's nowhere in the Bible and the
messengers taught it neither did Jesus
peace be upon him who was so beloved to
our hearts he's a mighty messenger he's
not a son of God he's not God but he is
one who taught the people the same way
Moses did in Abraham and the last and
final messenger sent to mankind
they taught the same message submit to
the one God
submit your entire self to his will not
your will in simple English do what God
wants you to do on his terms we'll see
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same channel until then Salaam alaikum
peace be unto you no speech is better
than to do that would call people to
Allah and to do there were no speeches
better you know nothing is better than
that is it true that if one person I'm
the Allah giving you an ability to guide
someone for the lost permission the
greatest permission that was better than
everything in this world but in the
whole world and everything that's in it
in another narration it's better than
the best of wealth but if we really felt
that Eddy would we not be giving out
giving down and this is something that
we encourage all the MSAs all the dowel
organizations the mustards to get this
we want to trade more we give these to
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we want our brothers
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