They will do what they do best. They
will hate the infidel. They will destroy
the country. They will bring they will
bring Sharia law. They will bring Sharia
law. What would have happened if he
would have one of the lowest crime rates
of all of the major religions? That's
what the head of the FBI office, the
head of the office, we have to pray. We
have to acknowledge that there's one
God. We have to
>> pure monotheism.
>> Pure monotheism.
>> If if they're not compatible, just stay
in your country.
>> Yeah.
>> Don't leave it. Islam is not a religion.
It's a political movement.
>> We're fine with the Ten Commandments.
The issue we have is in America, when do
we apply the Ten Commandments? He went
over the five pillars minimum. He said,
"If he's truthful, he sticks to it. He's
going to get to paradise." Moses asked
to see God in the Bible. And God said,
"For for one person to carry the burden
of our sins is the craziest idea I've
ever heard." And again, that was all
those idol worshippers that started
worshiping. He was only gone.
>> And that man got to see Islam in action.
He got to stay three nights as a captive
in the mosque. Why would he come back
and accept Islam?
>> This is the
Assalam. Welcome to the Dean Show and my
guest. How are you, Dr. Daniel McBride?
>> Alhamdulillah. Everything's great. I
appreciate you having me back.
>> It's good to have you back. This is the
uh author of Who's Right, Who's Wrong,
and Why?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Also a doctor and you're specializing
also in the brain.
>> Also, Hall of Famer,
>> college football. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Absolutely.
>> I want to I want to get I want to dwell
right into um this video and I want to
get your reaction. And you as you
actually used to live in Fort
Lauderdale, right?
>> Yes, we did.
>> Yeah. Well, our our friend here, Patrick
Benav, I don't know if you heard of him.
>> He's actually from Fort Lauderdale.
visited him there at the uh PBD podcast
studio. sees life. He's um had some of
these guests on who are not quite fond
of uh the way of life that you be before
you were Christian, but then you
actually did your homework. You studied,
but there's people like this who are out
there pushing a lot of uh propaganda,
fake news, and um it's unfortunate that
our friend Patrick is giving them the
stage instead of people like yourself to
hear why would people accept Islam when
they hear stuff like this. And I want to
hear maybe you didn't hear this and
maybe now you've been misled, coerced,
something you've been brainwashed. But
let's get into this video and get your
reaction.
>> Please
>> always do what Muslims do. And when you
bring one Muslim in the West, they will
do what they do best. They would hate
the infidel. They would destroy the
country. They will bring they will bring
Sharia law. They will bring Sharia law.
What would have happened if he would
have the killer? I have to walk around
in fear is someone going to attack my
wife. And how do I protect them? I have
to use an umbrella apparently. You see
the way he's shooting? Who trained him
how to do this?
>> That's not regular training right there.
>> In Islam, a day out with your son looks
like going and shooting some.
>> Who is causing the havoc? Is it a
pattern? Who is not?
>> You are committing suicide and they are
using our democracy to slit that throat.
>> That's the choice the audience got to
make.
>> Y
>> they got to decide what direction they
want to go.
>> Well, your thoughts. It seems like you
see this and uh you as somebody who now
has been practicing Islam for how long?
August 24th, 1994
is the day I made my shahada.
>> Absolutely. Mid-afternoon.
>> Now, if you weren't Muslim, if you
didn't have the knowledge that you do
about Islam, what what would you as just
an American who sees this? What's going
through your mind? This is like some
kind of horror like a rated movie. It's
>> Oh, it's terrible, isn't it? this guy. I
mean, it's it's funny that that he would
attack us when
personal experience, I literally right
after 9/11, I was living in South
Florida and the FBI headquarters that's
in South Florida actually invited
several of us in to talk to us.
And you've got the misleaders and the
deceivers like this, but the FBI in
charge
actually told us, "We really appreciate
you coming in because
we are so unaware of Muslims in America
and here in South Florida because you
guys have
the lowest crime rate and one of the
highest incomes
of
the religious the religion the religious
groups I can't remember the exact phrase
he used but he said of all the religions
we have like the third highest income
and one of the lowest crime rates of all
of the major religions in the US that's
what the head of the FBI office the head
of the office and he had several of his
of other agents there and there were
about 10 of us sitting around a table um
>> right here in in North Miami it was
literally right in North Miami I know
the building well and He literally
thanked us for coming because they don't
have paperwork on hardly any of us in
terms of like experience, how to profile
us because they didn't have they don't
have any interactions with us. I mean,
when we talk about
>> when I hear about a shooting,
it's almost always
a white guy
in his 20s to 40s and he's he's the
killer. Very rarely. It's it's and it's
it's really funny because when we talk
about this guy talking about Sharia law
and and taking their sons out and
shooting. I don't own a gun. I I've I've
never owned a gun. I'm uncomfortable
around guns. Um it's one of those things
that you can't b take back a decision
with a gun. And here's this guy talking
about they're out shooting guns every
weekend. That's that's not what we do.
That's not what I do. I'm actually a
doctor that has patients across a
religious spectrum right through to
atheists and stuff. So yeah, this this
guy's talking nothing but nonsense. But
it but we're an easy target now. Like I
said before,
>> we are
particularly the the non non-white
Muslims are it increases the bang for
the buck. You've got a non-white you can
persecute and you've got another
religion you can persecute. That's
that's what's taking place now. M do you
see it as a business now? You think a
lot of people are cashing in because
>> Oh, totally cashing in.
>> Easy to get clicks and likes and
>> absolutely this the the the music they
were using the upbeat. I mean, we've
talked brain before. That's what I do.
And you use that heavy beat. You use the
aggressive sounds. They close that video
with um red and black burning type
structures. I mean, all those colors are
meant to be intimidating, meant to
make an impression. Like, I literally
chose my outfit today, black with a red
tie with black tint in it to to make an
impression.
>> Muslims do what Muslims do. What do
Muslims do? I mean, you're a Muslim. I'm
a Muslim. A Muslim is one who simply
submits his will to the will of God.
We're going to pray in a little bit. We
prayed um when we got up
>> the fudger prayer. Uh we'll pray again
in some time and then the day will go on
with us praying. We'll be conscious of
our creator. So we're trying not to, you
know, do things that are illegal. We're
not trying to do things that are legal
with God first and foremost.
>> Trying to be good citizens. I mean what
what do when he says Muslims will do
what Muslims do. Um we're trying to take
care of our family. We love our country.
We don't agree with a lot of the things
that you know absolutely
>> unjust governments do right in any
society. But what do you translate? What
does that mean? unpackage that for me.
Absolutely.
>> You're a brain doctor. You can't you
>> Absolutely. He's He's completely making
things up because
if you want to use and he says Muslims
in general, it's really cool. Then
mashallah, I know brothers and sisters
yourself better than me. Mhm.
>> But if he's saying Muslims do what
Muslims do best, one of the nicest
things, one of my children actually
said, the daughter that you met last
time we talked, she literally told a
friend of hers, "I can't imagine ever
seeing my father drink ever. You will
never ever see me drinking alcohol. You
will you'll There's no drunk. There's no
bad decisions. There's none of that. So
imagine I don't drink. There's no
adultery here. There's no fornication.
There's no unjustly taking a life
because yes, we can say um Islam allows
capital punishment, but it's it's a
legal ruling, not a personal
decisionmaking process.
>> Um we we're told we're we the five
pillars. We have to pray. We have to
acknowledge that there's one God.
>> We have to
>> pure monotheism.
>> Pure monotheism. There's it's Allah and
Allah alone. and Allah. When we talk
Arabic, it's Elah, the God. So, you've
got we've got monotheism, we've got
prayer, we've got giving charity, we've
got paying our our taxes, so to speak,
and we've got making our religious
pilgrimage, acknowledging
the call that Allah
gave through Abraham
to acknowledge the oneness of Allah by
going to Mecca.
>> This is what Muslims do. This is what
this is the five pillars. This is the
meat and potatoes. This is it. the crust
of it. Why don't they try to deconstruct
this and get into this part?
>> Yeah, I know.
>> This is it.
>> And these guy and and these this is
especially when we talk about
recent present history and we've got
leadership in America that we've got
convicted sex offenders. We've got
people that had to make million-dollar
payouts to keep accusations from going
to court. We've got all of these people.
One of our leaders in charge of security
actually bragged about shooting her
puppy because she couldn't house train
it and it pottied in her house. So this
is what they do
>> here. We are on the other hand getting
up like you mentioned for fajger. If you
want to you can get up even early and
make tahaj right. You can we pray five
times a day. We acknowledge monotheism
and we don't commit this pornography.
And these guys actually elected people.
Now, that's like we talked about before.
I need to know, as you and I agreed,
we're fine with the Ten Commandments.
The issue we have is in America, when do
we apply the Ten Commandments? Well, sh
when are you being monotheistic? When
are you being monogamous? When are you
not coveting your neighbor's wife and
his cattle and his stuff?
>> Christian nation.
>> Exactly. That's what we're supposed and
we're ordered by the prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasallam to actually honor the
laws of the country we live in as long
as it doesn't order us to commit
something against the rule of god.
>> So when a man came to prophet Muhammad a
bedawin and he said what do I got to do
to get to paradise
>> and those five pillars that you
mentioned he went over the five pillars
minimum he said if he's truthful he
sticks to it he's going to get to
paradise
>> all done. So this is what Muslims do.
>> Yes.
>> Now they're taking us off on some like
like some horror movie and
>> Exactly.
>> And I can imagine like we see this and
I'm really kind of a you know a little
disappointed in my friend Patrick here
because he doesn't bring on people who
are qualified to talk about Islam. He
gets people who are in the business of
bashing Islam. It's a business. So
you're naturally you're going to go
ahead and twist and manipulate and
distort the truth and and you're doing a
very
>> um good in fueling this because now what
happens people who are out there they um
they're ignorant they don't know and
then you fear the unknown
>> and then that can end up leading to
violence.
>> Exactly. So what good good service are
you doing, you know, for humanity if now
you're making Muslims or the other,
you're dehumanizing them and you're
portraying their religion as if they
want to take out, you know, the infidel.
Let's talk about the infidel now. So
what I understand here is um
>> you've had some translations maybe
translate um kafir as infidel, but what
I understand and you come, you're an
expert here with the Bible, with
Christian history. This is a crusader
term. This was something that was coined
for non-believers who weren't Christian.
They called them infidel infidel. Then
you go to the root and you look at the
Latin whatever we can get into that.
This is not also a Muslim concept. You
had people the book you also have kafir
one who covers the truth.
>> Exactly. Covers.
>> Let's talk about that because they make
this like this is something Muslim. They
call us infidel. Hold on. This is hypo.
This is hypocritical. You call us
infidels.
>> Totally.
>> Let's talk about that.
>> Yeah. There's um the the what's really
cool when you if we personalize this my
my personal story of accepting Islam,
one of the things that impressed me so
much about the Quran was the fact that
for me I'm looking for similarities.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm I'm not The differences usually jump
right out at you. The similar
similarities are more subtle. You you
you look for them. And the names in the
Quran, in the Bible over overlapped
amazingly. Moses, for example, I
remember thinking, "Wow, he's mentioned
in here a lot. Aaron is mentioned." Um,
there's a whole chapter on the mother of
Jesus. We we've talked about this
before. This Surah Del Mariam, Sir Miam,
and then you have Mary's family. There's
a chapter named after her dad, the the
genetically tied in grandfather through
Mary and Mary's mother. You've got a
whole chapter named Imran that talk
about the family of of Mary. Zachchariah
is mentioned in there. John is mentioned
in the book. Um, so for me, these guys
throw out this crazy nonsense, but our
overlap is so strong that they are being
hypocritical. They're they're attacking
us for being monotheists. They're
attacking us for not being alcoholics
when they should be looking for the
similarities rather than he didn't even
give us any facts
about our religion. He didn't give us
any examples. Um they showed that quick
picture of the Muslim that saved all
those Australia. Um it's a shame he he
he wasn't able to get there sooner and
save more. Um it's horrible when people
get killed like that. But again, they
show that picture, but they didn't
explain
that it was the Muslim stopping the
violence, you know? So, they throw it in
with somebody else who's a train shooter
from a rooftop. That looked like a movie
scene. I mean, it had no historical uh
reference at all.
>> I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Some Some
are arguing that it was it was a false
flag. Anyway, that's a different
discussion because it goes against
Islam. Either way, but let's go into
another one because it's a long
discussion. We don't have time to
dissect everything, but I want to show
one one more one more clip here
>> from this PBD podcast where he's
bringing on someone who is um doing a
great disservice for humanity, maligning
uh a way of life of two billion people
with lies, distortions, and mistruth.
Let's take a look here at what else she
has to say.
>> If if they're not compatible, just stay
in your country.
>> Yeah.
>> Don't leave it.
>> Yeah. And and and this is what what what
the west need to understand about Islam.
Islam is not a religion. It's a
political movement. They are here to
establish Sharia law. In fact, in the
first 100 years after Muhammad's death,
they had conquered 50 to 60% of the
Christian world. Islam is not a relig.
>> Okay. What what do you think? Islam is
not. So, so what they're trying to do is
they're trying to
>> take away this religious status that is
Islam is not a religion. So now we can
attack it as a political
>> political entity.
>> Yeah. What do you think about this?
>> When even in business,
>> yeah,
>> when one business goes after another
business, you know, that business
they're going after is doing the right
thing.
>> Think about it. I mean, if if I want to
buy them out, that product is right. I
mean, it's really doing well.
>> That's the way to look at it.
>> Yes. So, think about when they come
after us from a religious perspective.
There's either a lot of good in it.
That's why so many Americans like myself
accepted Islam. And and again,
>> they expected to see, you know, an Arab
right now, Pakistani, but you're just
like a typical in the office. I don't
know how many times a patient will um
invite me to the church. We just came
off of Christmas. all the pastors or not
every one of them, but we have several
pastors in the office I'm I was working
in during the Christmas season and one
gentleman and I have bonded joking and
clowning around and um they always
reference you know good Christians like
you and I got to tell them because you
know I I want to be clear and I don't
want them to think I'm being deceptive.
I remember the look on one and I was
invited to the church for the Christmas
Eve services and I really appreciated it
but I explained I couldn't come.
>> Yeah.
>> And there's nothing haram about it but
then I I don't want to dampen the mood
or or everybody finds out I'm a Muslim
and they're like, "Oh my god." I didn't
want to create any hesitation in my
community for
>> Muslims can't participate in religious
ceremonies that are
>> I wouldn't honor certain religious
ceremonies because even though both
Christians and Muslims acknowledge the
virgin birth, we acknowledge the
importance of Jesus. We acknowledge the
importance of Mary.
>> We acknowledge the fact that Jesus is
going to come back and lead us against
the big bad guys. We've got so many
similarities, but we can't go with the
idea that Jesus is a is part of God on
earth,
>> that he's God, that he's little son of
God,
>> a little son or anything. Because you've
got you've got to remember the book of
Mos not the book of Moses but there's a
story in Moses that actually says God
Moses asked to see God in the Bible
>> and God said no one can see my face and
live.
This is in I believe it's Exodus. Uh
people certainly search it up about
seeing God's face and living with Moses.
And the Bible, the Old Testament says,
"No one can see my face and live.
Everyone saw Jesus's face that was
living at that time." And the whole
population didn't die. And then we can
argue or we'll deal with the argument,
oh, well, it's part of God. It's not
truly God, but it's it's that you can't
share God's divinity, keep it in human
form, and agree with the Old Testament
saying, "No one can see this face. No
one can see part of this face. No one
can see any part of this face cuz the
Old Testament tells us they will die.
And there's no way that with the amount
of Muslims in America,
what we're like less than 10% I believe.
Um but that's a lot of people in America
out of 300 million or 300 million plus
people.
>> 300 million Americans. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So if we're pretend it's as much
as 10, that'd be 30 million Americans.
30 million Muslim Americans. if it's 10
um if it's half it's it's 15 million. So
that's a lot of Muslims that they are
trying to scare us with and you'd think
there'd be more crimes more more stuff
related to us and there aren't. The
numbers don't support the fables that he
is teaching. what happened with the
people who come uh your clients uh
patients and then they ask you uh they
come to the church
>> which is interesting before you finish
the story that I mean obviously a Muslim
can walk in a church right you don't
participate in certain actions but a
>> a Jew person and this is not to put down
the spirit genuine religion just making
a contrast
>> person cannot go and um is not supposed
to
>> even worship or do anything you know in
in a church right and Muslims cannot
actually pray. How does it go that uh
you can pray in a in a mosque but he
cannot pray in a church, right? Muslim
can pray in a church,
>> right?
>> Yeah. We can pray anywhere.
>> Yeah, we can pray. We can pray anywhere.
As long as there's no statues, idols or
anything. But back to what you were
saying, give this. So, he finds out
you're you're a submitter to God. That's
what a Muslim is. What happens?
>> Oh, it's one of the funniest things.
Another patient said to me, um, and
again, I it's it's a phrase. They
they'll say, "Good Christians like us."
Oh, I I had to buy a new computer. My
laptop crashed the other day. Same thing
happened. These two exactly the same
reactions.
>> And he does youth stuff at his church,
the salesperson.
>> And I told him I I I write religious
stuff and articles and I speak and etc.
And he said, and then both my patient
and the salesperson said, "Yeah, good
Christians like us." And at that point,
I I I I had to separate a little bit. I
said, "I appreciate it.
But I'm not a Christian. I am actually a
Muslim. The look on both their faces is
not insulting. It's just the blatant
surprise that this elderly I'm 65. This
elderly white guy with a beard and we're
agreeing on religion. We're talking.
Everything sounds real close. Um and
then I said and they're like, "Oh, what
what religion?" And I've I've had other
people say, "Oh, are you?" Yeah.
>> And then I have to say, "No, I'm a
Muslim."
>> Like the eyes, the everything. My
patient, his conversation, in the middle
of it, he literally stopped talking and
he started to stutter and then No, I'm
just like on TV. He literally didn't
know what to say next. Great guy. Um
I've known him for years now. And he
literally started stuttering because he
said, "Yes, good Christians like us."
And I was like, "That's cool that he
thinks so highly of his religion. He
includes me in it." which is a
compliment. I didn't take it as an
insult, but
>> he just knew based on our couple of
years of interaction that I'm a great
guy. So, when this guy speaks these
fallacies about us, that's not the image
most of us present.
>> You can argue that when someone says
good Christian to you, because Muslims,
I would argue, are are better Christians
than Christians. We're more Christlike.
>> I totally agree.
>> We follow Jesus more.
>> Yes. The way of definitely the way of
life, the way he worshiped, fell on his
face and prayed to God. Matthew 26:39,
greeted Shalam, salamkum, peace be with
you, fasting.
>> Exactly.
>> He worshiped called people to worship
God, not himself.
>> So he was a Muslim. He submitted to the
will of God.
>> He even There's even the verse
>> in the Lord's prayer you talked about in
your break. Oh our father and hallelu
will be done.
>> Thy will be done. This is a
>> everything and especially if I say
our show today. Yeah,
>> I'm I'm equating you and I.
>> Everything else is separate. He
literally starts that verse with pray uh
this is how you should pray. He
literally says pray this way.
>> Okay, I want Christians to really tune
in. This is Jesus peace be upon who we
love and rever in the New Testament.
>> He's saying pray like this. He's
teaching you how to pray
>> like this. Our father. Every verse,
every comment, every period
separates a separation of Jesus from
God. Our father, our show, your show is
different than our show. Right? I mean,
it's clear. So now I'm saying our
father. I'm talking to my brothers. Our
father, well, that means I'm talking
about you and I. Our father is separate.
Mhm.
>> Um, and as Muslims, we don't like the
the familial reference, but but we'll go
with it. Um, we've got our father. So,
it's Jesus, the biblical Jesus, equating
himself to his audience who art in
heaven.
>> So, he's again separating himself from
God because he's equating himself with
the audience. And where is this father
of all of us? Our father who are out in
heaven. He's not even there. Give us
this day. da da da da d d d d d d d d d
d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d
d d d d d d d d d d d forgive us our
sins and he's constantly equating and if
you read the exact verses you can see
what I'm saying um he's separating
himself from God and equating himself
with the audience and he even asks for
our daily bread our sustenance every day
>> so he's he's definitely separating
himself from the provider from the
sustainer from the creator and equating
himself with his audience
>> what do you think is driving such hate
because when I talk about and you also
we talk about Christianity. We're not
trying to insult anyone, disrespect.
>> We point out some things, give a
different perspective,
>> try to bring people back to the original
way of Jesus, his companions
>> and and early Christians and we talk
about things academically, right, with
knowledge. We don't sit here trying to
purposely insult. But you see on the
other side like this whole like
interview the guy and his wife
girlfriend whatever it is
>> uh probably his wife let's say is his
wife partner they're insulting Islam the
whole time the whole time the whole show
is about insulting Islam and Patrick the
host he's sitting here just taking it
in. His audience is taking this in
>> and they're pushing this anti-Islam as
if you know all our problems are going
to go away if we just keep bashing
Islam. You're not going to get rid of
Islam. No,
>> it's not going to go anywhere. Muslims
are not going anywhere. Christians are
not going anywhere. You're not going to
get rid of Christianity. Right? So, we
need to learn to get along with each
other.
>> But you're not. What good are you doing
at the end of the day? It's going to
backfire. It's not going to work.
>> It can't.
>> It can't. It absolutely can't.
>> So, what what is what what is their
>> what's their motive at the end of the
day? What are they looking to
accomplish? What is Patrick and David?
What do you think? And I've offered
myself. I've spoken to him, visited him,
been in his house, met his children.
Very nice man when you talk to him.
you know, I'm really disappointed. I
mean, I've offered him uh my services. I
have connections to to top uh Muslim
leaders in the world. You know, I can
come on, let's talk. Just sit and talk.
We don't have to go at and debate like,
you know, go to war. It's like you want
to have these wars the same way you talk
to these people. Let's talk. You're an
intellectual person. Let's ask simple
basic questions. It's not like a gotcha
moment. Let's just talk. Be civil with
each other with each other.
>> Exactly. But it's like you offer and
they don't accept and they just want to
bring out people like this who are just
um spewing this hate. What's the motive
behind this? What what do you think said
earlier? It sells
>> there's people buy research.
>> Yeah.
>> When they do what motivates people to
make decisions, the sales stuff, sales
research is amazing because that's that
that is what keeps businesses in
business is research and how to increase
sales. They've got color schemes.
They've got word choices. They've got
background music. They've got word
selection. All that stuff.
He these guys literally they don't
present facts because he says, "You
bring a Muslim to America. Does that
separate me because I was born here?"
You know what I'm saying? And then what
do they usually do? They almost always
bring on when they really want to go
after us, they almost always bring on a
person of color. Mhm.
>> They they almost always bring on a
person of color. Like every person of
color is familiar with Islam.
>> You you can't be familiar with Islam
because you could spew facts then. You
could you literally and the minute I
became familiar with Islam, I accepted
it literally. I I got halfway through
the Quran and I made my shahada. Did you
have much baggage as far as like all of
this propaganda that was what did you
think about Islam before you accepted
it? Was there a lot of hurdles? Were
there a lot of things put because Islam
is a treasure.
>> So people will put so much garbage over
it. Was there a lot of garbage at that
time in your mind from people
misconception? What?
>> No, it was. I literally was raised, as
you know, I was raised as a Catholic and
I had this devout
belief in monotheism. And of course,
Catholic church has crosses and and
Jesus and Mary, they we have that stuff
everywhere, all over churches, stained
glass, famous for stained glass, right?
I it didn't make sense to me if God is
all powerful, all present, all knowing.
Then everything I was taught about Jesus
had to come and die for my sins. Jesus
had to come. Some verse, some stories
are Jesus came so that God could
experience. God created every experience
out there. He didn't have to learn
anything. There's no need for a biblical
Jesus figure to teach God anything or to
allow God to forgive our sins before he
came to to for one person like I
mentioned before for one person to carry
the burden of our sins is the craziest
idea I've ever heard. So the the so the
theology the pure monothe it just did it
for you.
>> The
was everything was monotheism for me.
Everything I am so
>> but what about Muslims are terrorists.
Muslims depressed. Did was this there?
>> There's always been that we're talking
about 1994.
>> Yeah.
>> So 199 No, I'm sorry. 1995.
I said 94. I meant 95. Um August 24th,
1995.
It was um you had right behind that when
the first Iraq war, we've got the second
Iraq war, we've got Russia in Cheschna,
we've got um Bosnia, Serbia, we've got a
lot of stuff going on. And you the the
we won't mention any governments. You've
always got something going on on the
western side of the Mediterranean. Yeah.
I mean, there's always there's been
something going on there for 75 years.
What if someone says you had the wrong
form of Christianity, right? And now,
okay, you were Catholic, you weren't
Protestant, you weren't born again.
>> We fall right back to that's that comes
up a lot. Oh, well, the mine's a
different Okay, that's cool. I'm cool
with that. The idea is it's still
Christianity, isn't it?
>> So, it's still a a religion that over
relies
on Christ. Yeah.
>> On Jesus Christ. Bottom line.
>> And we're cool with the Greek term
Christos and Christ. And we're fine with
that. The idea is when I'm using any
other name other than God in English or
Allah in Arabic
then I'm polytheistic. I I just we don't
ask Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam
for anything. Everything is Allah. We
make when you hear us like when I say
sallallahu alaihi wasallam and and
others say that we are asking God to
bless Muhammad sallallahu alaihi
wasallam. We're not asking anything from
Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam. And
any Muslim that says anything different
again is moving into Christianity or the
version of their understanding would be
that we only pray to Allah. When I pray
this morning, when you prayed this
morning, everything was Allah. The
beginning of our prayer fata is praising
God then asking God to forgive us and
protect us. That's how we start our
prayers or they don't count. So
everything monotheism was it for me.
It's all about tawhi and that's it.
>> You mentioned Muhammad peace and
blessings be upon him during Moses's
time. He was slandered. He was attacked.
>> Jesus's time. Absolutely.
>> Moses was a magician.
>> They said he was a magician.
>> So all the slanders that are now today
with Prophet Muhammad
>> happened with Jesus and all the
prophets. It's nothing new.
>> Nothing new.
>> So what what now Christians get offended
when certain people attack Jesus? we
would never do such a thing.
>> But now they're doing the same thing
with Prophet Muhammad and they really
don't know him. So they're maligning
him. They're they're taking his
teachings and every which you could do
the same thing with Moses. You could do
the same thing like you know when Moses
went up how many people just in one shot
>> were like how many was like 3,000.
>> Yeah. That unbelievable number. And
again that was all those idol
worshippers that started worshiping. He
was only gone for 10 days. Isn't that
it? 10 days on the mountain. Yeah. um
whatever the exact days were, he's only
they they I love that story because the
Bible gets it right in the sense that
all the plagues that hit Egypt, you've
got the Pharaoh, you've got Moses
confronting him and saying, "You got to
believe this." They gave him every
opportunity to change and to accept one
God. His arrogance kept him from it. Who
else do we know did that in the Bible
and the Quran? The Shayan, the devil,
Satan did that. Arrogance. Then you've
got the Hebrews exiting being chased by
the world's strongest army at the time.
Moses through the power of God parts the
water. We agree.
>> The Hebrews get across. God destroys the
most powerful army in the world for some
of the weakest people at the time.
>> And then they're out in the desert.
They're getting fed every day. They're
under clouds. It's shade. They they're
getting literally all of this from God.
Moses literally leaves according to the
command of God in both the Quran and the
Bible. He leaves to go get the
commandments, go get the laws of Allah.
And while he's gone,
the Hebrews end up creating a golden
calf and worshiping that.
>> Even you watch the old Charleston H
movies that I grew up on. Charleston H
comes down off the mountain. He's got
the big thick white beard. He throws the
tablets on the ground. He does that. And
and then we have the punishment of of
the people that really went after that
stuff.
>> So now you can go after Moses and say,
"What kind of person?" You can go ahead
and liberalize it and say and then
that's what they do at Prophet Muhammad.
So let's let's go ahead and talk about
Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be
upon him who I think if they really
sincerely got to know
>> because I think there was only what like
a thousand people of all these wars that
many warlords do they try to call him a
warlord I think there was only like one
thousand people from the enemy side and
his side that actually died is that
correct I think he only is responsible
one person was coming at him with a
horse
>> and then he took he actually defend took
him
>> uh unalived him but you don't see too
many people at his hands being put to
right you don't see that combin if you
do do numbers wise right
>> and there's that story when um
>> the I think it was the first time the
non-believers attacked Medina and you've
only got like a couple hundred guys max
and the women were warriors too we've
got plenty of stories about that
>> but you have they attack they captured
this guy and He said to Muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wasallam he says you
know who I am and you know I have
daughters
>> you know I am the only providers for my
daughters please let me go without
ransom and without a death penalty thing
>> and the prophet Muhammad sallallahu
alaihi wasallam let him go under the
promise that he would never fight
Muslims again I can't let you go and
have you come back to try to kill
>> these are conditions now thatse are
let's just set the stage These are
people don't lose your place.
Absolutely. Muslims are being attacked.
They're they're they're being oppressed.
You know, all the most evil things are
being done. Their property is being
stolen.
>> And they've just moved to Medina, you
know, an hour a couple hours walk away
or whatever it is, days away. But by
car, it's boom boom.
>> So now what happens?
>> So then the prophet sallallahu alaihi
wasallam says, "Yes, absolutely. If you
agree not to attack us again, just you
you agree not to attack us again, I'll
let you go back and take care of your
wife and kids." So what kind of man at
the end of the day? This man was
obviously attacking. He was on the enemy
side and now a warlord would have took
him taken him out.
>> All done. Chop the head and move on.
>> What happens?
>> So he lets him go back. He goes back the
very next battle. Guess who gets caught
again.
>> Same guy. He's in there.
>> Same exact. He says the same exact
within reason. He says the same story.
You know, you know, you know, and please
let me go. And he said, "You have killed
Muslims. you broke your agreement with
us and killed more Muslims and got
caught a second time. I can't let you
go. And that was his demise.
>> Yeah.
>> But he was given the opportunity out of
fairness, out of forgiveness, out of we
don't
>> Why don't they listen to these story?
There's there's another man. He was the
head of another
>> tribe and he had unalived many of Pro
Muhammad's companions. He was on his way
to do Umrah. He got caught. He didn't
get taken out. He got held in the mosque
in the masid. He was Yeah. through Mama
Ibnal he was called.
>> And then he ended up being fed by
Prophet Muhammad's own food.
>> Yes.
>> They took care of him. Long story short,
at the end of the three days, you know,
he was offered accept Islam. He didn't.
He was offered, you know, back and
forth. People can look this story up.
But at the at the end, he got to observe
Muslims. He got to see what Islam was
about.
>> And then he was let go. Proph Muhammad
let him go. He let him go. He came back
and he said, "There was no one I hated
more than you. Now there's no one more I
love than you. There was no religion
that I hated more that now there's no
religion that I love more than your
religion."
>> Exactly.
>> So this is a hater. Pure hater. He
hated. He He actually took out his
companions.
>> Yes.
>> So he didn't unal alive him.
>> No.
>> And that man got to see Islam in action.
He got to stay three nights as a captive
in the mosque. Why would he come back
and accept Islam? Think about that.
That's mindblowing.
>> It is. And you know the story there.
>> Absolutely. Like you said that three
days in the masid, he was fed. He was
cleaned. He was allowed to all the human
nature stuff.
>> And he made his own decision. There is
no conversion in Islam by the sword. It
is so against our rules. Yeah. None. I
mean, Indonesia
>> when we talk about this guy in the the
video you were showing, we don't come
and train our kids how to shoot and
kill. If our kids learn how to use guns,
well, that's an American. That's what is
that? The first amendment? That's like
the right to bear arms is one of our
amendments. I don't even know what it is
because I I don't have I don't have a
gun. The idea is that no one look up
history. Indonesia is the largest Muslim
country in the world.
And they never went to war with us as
Muslims. And Muslims never went to war
with them. We did not conquer that
country. The religion overcame any hard
hearts. It it it the mer the
businessmen, the merchants going back
and forth in trading were so honest. You
have stories of people
making their shahada at the hands of
merchants because they were so honest
and upright.
>> And think about why were Jews back in
>> Medina
>> Jerusalem, excuse me. Yeah. Medina.
because they they knew their prophecies.
But why were they back in Jerusalem
after the crusades? One of the first
ones
>> when we captured when we retook
Jerusalem.
>> Um when Umar Alahuan
went in and got the keys from the
Christian religious leader at the time.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
>> He literally said, "Where's the Jewish
quarter? The Christians live here. The
Muslims are going to and where where are
all the Jews?" and where's the temple
because we know about it.
>> So where's the temple of David, Solomon,
that whole lineage stuff that we agree
with?
>> And they said, "Oh, it's over there and
there are no we killed them all or told
them they had to leave. If they stayed,
we killed them." Umar literally told his
general Khaled bin Wali to send soldiers
out and ask Jews if they want to come
back. We've got to get at least 80
families for whatever reason there is.
and brought back to Jerusalem because we
don't conquer, rape, pillage, and
destroy.
>> Mhm.
>> All we want to do is spread da. There's
there's no order in Islam that we have
to people and convert people. That
that's not in our book. This is like
projecting what you know what uh
>> it's a projection.
>> It's a projection. you know, when you
compare this mercy, you know, from
Prophet Muhammad with the two examples
you just gave, when you look at because
some people will like to um say that
this is a Christian nation, right?
>> And so if it's a Christian nation, so
now you should be exhibiting the
biatitude. What is it? The Jesus,
>> the biatitudes, blessed are the
peacemakers, you know, the the the meek,
the humble, and whatnot. So, so let's
say you you want to win Muslims over,
you want to go ahead and espouse this. I
mean, why? Because this person, Tamal,
he was a terror to the state. Yes. He
took he took he took out, he'd been the
worst. He would be in Gautanam Bay. He
would be Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Uh Abu Harrer, what's that prisons that
they have?
>> So, but this is what they actually did.
Where's the Christianity here? Where's
the softness, the love, you know?
Exactly. And then you have innocent
innocent people who've been in there not
charged for for for years to this to
this day. Right. So where's the love?
Where's the mercy?
>> That's the thing. It's it's not there.
>> Yeah. World War I, World War II, you say
these are these are, you know,
separation of church and state, but you
claim this is a Christian nation. Just
if you you can just go down and play
these games left, you know, from one to
to the other, but they'll go ahead and
out of context, you know, take snippets
of Prophet Muhammad's life. They don't
sit with a credible scholar. I have
someone on PBD, this person who's, you
know, his whole career is about bashing
Islam.
>> Yes.
>> And and and then what what naturally
you're going to get? You get distortion.
You're going to get lies to you. And
instead of coming to Muslims, talking to
people who are credible,
>> people who have knowledge about the
religion,
>> uh you're you're really doing a very big
disservice for I don't I say humanity
because your show has such a huge
>> audience
>> and people from all over international
and everywhere watching this, you're
doing a disservice.
>> Totally. And that's like what we have
with um
when we have liars
that is for a Muslim clearly and and the
uh Old Testament the story of Adam and
Eve.
>> You clearly have in the Old Testament
God warned Adam and Eve
>> and in the Quran God warned Adam and
Eve. And
who convinced them
>> to eat from the tree? That was
>> the devil. Yeah,
>> the devil. Soon. Yeah.
>> When you have people flagrantly lying
like this young man
>> and people propagating that,
>> who are they aligned with? Are they
aligned with the biatitudes, Jesus, and
God, who is the owner of all truth, or
are they aligned with the great
deceiver, Shayan, Satan?
>> Bingo. Yeah, they're deceiving people.
>> They are all locked in on lies. And
again,
>> a lot of times there's a cute saying,
you know, um about truth. The idea is
truth is is a straight line. It's
constant. And it's in most cases it can
be really really boring.
>> It's it's just when we talk about most
of the converts in Islam just accepted
Islam. How exciting is my story? I mean,
it's not. It really I read the Quran.
Holy cow. He read quietly, no
excitement. Um, he was raised as a
Catholic. No real trauma, none of the
the crazy stuff. I wasn't on my
deathbed. I'm not an ex- alcoholic. I'm
not an ex drug addict. I'm not reformed
from anything except polytheism. And I
got halfway through the Quran. And I was
introduced
to the concept that you asked the
question earlier. Now that I I think
about it, one of the big hardships I had
about Islam when I first first heard
about it, I don't know when and why, but
it was involving the Nation of Islam.
>> So, I thought Islam was a black
religion.
>> I that's all I knew about Islam when I
was growing up, right? Upstate New York,
>> you know, just a little boring
upbringing. Real nice, but boring. The
only thing I ever knew was Nation of
Islam Blacks. So, I never even
considered that. I looked into black
Baptist churches. I looked into bapt,
you know, that was really exciting.
There's a lot of emotion. I considered
them. But then they talk the same stuff
as Catholics for the most part.
Christianity is Christianity.
>> Um, and then I read the autobiography of
Malcolm X and his story coming off of
Hajj and realizing it's not a racial
issue. It's a monotheistic issue. It's a
religious issue. It's and it's a
religious misunderstanding.
that separates us. So these liars, these
these friends of the devil, these people
that are aligned with the shan
live
in lies. They can't live in the truth.
When we talk about when the Quran for us
talks about um truth and lies, truth is
darn near I think if I remember my
teachings exactly is always referenced
in the singular Arabic term. and lies or
paths to the hellfire is always
multiple.
>> And that's hugely important because
there's it's such a singularity for me
and my my conversion that it was all
about monotheism. And it's such a truth
as compared to what these guys these
guys that are aligned with the devil.
It's all about lies. It's all about
drama. It's all about getting you
emotionally charged to buy the product.
You see these these commercials for
colog and cars and they're not talking
about the details of the engine and how
big the the thing is. I don't even know
the right terms to use. Um my kids could
tell you, my boys. Um I can't talk that
stuff, but they that's not what they're
selling. They're not selling you the
width of the tire, but they're showing
you big tires on big trucks. Um it's an
emotional sale. Um truth is boring.
Truth doesn't sell real well. It's the
emotions behind everything and that's
what they're trying to generate. They
didn't lay down any facts.
>> No.
>> Let's get into a couple chapters of your
book
>> where you talk. See, Islam is very easy.
The the main thing of Islam that really
captured you and so many people. It's
very easy to understand. Worship the
creator, not his creation.
>> All done.
>> There's nothing worthy of worship except
God the creator. I mean if you ask
anybody you know who believes and most
people believe right you say should we
not worship ex no one except the one who
created us they'll say yes so then why
are you worshiping Jesus so why are you
worshiping the sun why are you
worshiping
>> uh all other things in creation except
the creator it's very simple so now
there's other the next part is if you
are and I always like to explain this so
people can see how
>> Islam has always been there since the
beginning soil if you're dur living
during time of Jesus's time is meaning
Jesus is the messenger. Yes.
>> If you're living during the time of
Moses, it's same religion. Same thing.
Nothing worthy of worship except the
creator and Moses is the messenger.
>> Abraham is the messenger at his time.
Today, Patrick bin David's messenger and
you can deny him. That guy, Trump,
everybody, the last messenger sent for
mankind is Prophet Muhammad peace and
blessings be upon him. And he said
clearly, if you deny me, you know,
that's it. It's like you you're going to
end up you can end up in the hellfire,
right? unless you change your way. So
it's very clear it's it's something you
don't want to risk your eternity for.
>> Exactly.
>> And he's even mentioned in the Bible and
this is where you want to talk about. So
we want to talk about Muhammad peace be
upon him even mentioned in the Bible in
some places Muhammad in his name is
there but you you go into Isaiah you go
into the comforter. Let's touch upon
this
>> Muhammad in the Bible. when we talk
about I really
having been raised the way I was I know
Isaiah was a big book with all the books
the chapters of Isaiah and particularly
if you want to reference what I'm going
to talk about I'm paraphrasing but when
we talk about Isaiah I talk about
chapter 21 I talk about chapter 42 and
we talk about chapter 60 we've got
references to and you can and I
recommend everyone search up what I
today.
>> Yeah.
>> Literally search it up. Go into the King
James version and search up. You have a
reference to, for example, we talked
about earlier the three chariots that
the watcher on the wall is supposed to
look for. And you can use those words
and they're supposed to look for three
chariots. When you look at the King
James version and the old references to
that, you literally have a reference to
the chariots with a couple of riders.
You have a reference and these are
referencing prophetic messages or
prophetic messengers, however you want
to you whatever term you want to use,
however you want to see that. The
chariot with a couple of riders or
occupants is Moses and Aaron. That's
that's the prophetic message being
brought to us by Moses. Like you said,
we should be looking for these people.
They're prophesied. Then you have and
the next sentence says look for the
rider or the chariot drawn by donkeys.
You've got a biblical reference or an
Old Testament reference to uh look for
Jesus
because you have no other biblical
figure associated with depending on what
version you read. You've got the word
asses, you've got a donkey in the colt,
you've got donkeys. Um, so whichever
phrase you want to use, I'm fine with
that. Um, that is specifically
referencing the biblical story of Jesus
entering Jerusalem on I believe it's the
donkey and its colt. He ordered them to
go get him so that he could go in and he
goes into Jerusalem on a donkey and a
colt, I believe the terms are. And then
the third reference of the chariots
being drawn by camels.
In world history, whether it's religious
history or not, in world history, you
have no one, no other gigantic
historical figure that a lot of people,
most of us are familiar with. No other
historical figure associated with camels
other than
>> from Muhammad.
>> Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
Exactly. You literally have the lineage,
the religious lineage from Moses and
Aaron into Jesus
into Muhammad. May Allah be pleased with
all of them. So even the book of Isaiah
has that. Then you have um the reference
of excuse me you have a reference of
going the the burden of the desert or
the burden of Arabia
and you have the reference of Duma teor
uh and there's a third
detane or there's a third reference in
there and these when you search that up
you'll see that these are actually
references to a
oasis that's there. One of those is the
Oasis. The other two are children of
Ishmael and and his lineage, which is
really funny because one of Paul's
versions of his conversion. Remember,
there's five conversions for Paul.
>> Five.
>> Five. Five. And one of them says, Paul
says, I didn't associate with anyone
after I fell off the horse and saw the
light or I I saw the light, fell off the
horse, or I heard a voice, saw a light,
and fell off the horse. He's got five
versions. Three of them are his versions
in first person. He says, "I went to
Arabia." Mhm.
>> The only thing in Arabia related to us
religiously is where Abraham left his
wife Hagar and his son Ishmael. So why
is Paul referencing Arabia and then
coming back to the disciples? That's one
of his versions. So you've got all these
Arabic references, especially the
references to the biblical children of
Ishmael and the burden of Arabia. And in
Old Testament prophetic words or
prophetic tradition, burden means the
prophecy or bringing the prophecy. So in
Isaiah by himself, we've got all these
references of of Muhammad sallallahu
alaihi wasallam. And then you brought it
up earlier which is really cool when we
talk about the Holy Spirit and uh the
comforter, the word comforter.
>> There's there's when you if you ask a
Christian who's the comforter and
they'll say it could be Jesus coming
back, but that doesn't make any sense
because
>> Jesus wouldn't self-reference using a
different name. But the idea is that the
comforter in most Christian explanations
is going to be the Holy Spirit. Well, if
that quote, the comforter cannot come
until I leave or I depart, it cannot be
the Holy Spirit because we have a New
Testament reference to the Holy Spirit
who was here and people saw him
the saw Jesus. The Holy Spirit descends
upon Jesus on the mountain and then you
have Psalms David references the Holy
Spirit guiding with him. So the
comforter when you go through all the
English from Greek and Latin and all
these translations
we lose the actual words that we know
are there and that is that's those would
be references that I would make to
Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam and
many many scholars do
>> when when you see many people they jump
from the the New Testament Old Testament
back and forth they try to make things
fit and very ambiguous and what
ambiguous Why why don't they give some
some um leeway open their minds to
potentially this being we know I mean
you could see it clearly when many you
know when when um the comforter verse I
have many things to say unto you but you
cannot be now but when he the spirit of
you he will guide you to all things he
will tell you things that are to come
this cannot be the holy spirit it can't
be the holy spirit
>> this is Gabriel actually absolutely
Gabriel but why and then deutronomy 8
was it 18:18 when you when is described
when um he's it's broken down, they try
to link this back to Jesus, but Jesus
wasn't um a state leader. He didn't
fulfill many of
>> he didn't fulfill any of those
requirements.
>> Yeah. But proph Muhammad did. So why why
people seem very resist? That's why the
were in Medina.
>> Yeah.
>> They knew
>> why are they there? Exactly. Of all
places that Medina isn't known for
anything other than dates
back in the day. Um
>> somebody's coming. They're coming.
>> Yes. And then the New Testament
references Paul going to Arabia. Yeah.
And all of this is before Muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wasallam. The are in
Medina. Um Paul goes to Arabia in one of
his three versions that he says. Like I
said, there are two others attributed to
his followers. Um so you've got Paul
going to Arabia. You've got the in
Arabia um in Medina in specific. And one
of the interactions which is really cool
is the religious scholar and the
historical scholar at the time
in the community in Medina actually go
to see and question Muhammad sallallahu
alaihi wasallam to see if he's the
prophet they expected. And the political
leader's daughter actually marries
Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam
Sopia.
>> Yeah. She marries Muhammad sallallahu
alaihi wasallam and she asks yeah
>> because she and they want to question
her because the tried to kill Muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wasallam so many times
and they broke all the treaties that's
why they were told to leave and they
were allowed to take their stuff. They
weren't forced out at sword point and
stolen from. They were they took their
stuff to the point where they even took
doors off their houses and loaded them
up on their animals and took the doors.
>> This was this tribe. This one?
>> Yeah. This tribe. So then you've got
Sophia asking to stay and asking to be
married to the prophet sallallahu alaihi
wasallam. They say why is this a trick?
Are they going to try to kill him again?
And she they ask her and she says no.
She says I heard my father and my uncle
talking. That was the political leader
and the religious leader. They're
brothers. She heard her, she said, "I
heard my father and my uncle talking and
my father asked my uncle, is he the
one?" I was
>> about to mention that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And the uncle says, "Yes, he is
what are we going to do?" And the father
says, "We're going to fight him because
he's not from us."
>> That's that supremacy now.
>> Totally.
>> That's the That's the supre supremacy
now. This is that because you would
think, why? This is the This is the one
we moved over here for. We're here in
Medina waiting because he's not of us.
our tribe. We're gonna be against him.
Totally. Arrogance. Now,
>> it's that that shayan that aligning. God
gave them the chance. He brought the
final prophet to them in their lifetimes
and they sided with the Shayan saying
no, we can't. And again, when we talk
about that's that there's a real big
problem that we have right now in that
this this this idea of otherliness and
this idea of lack of humanity and when
the Christians when we talk about
accountability that's a huge problem
that that Western society is lacking
right now because
>> as Muslims
we don't have anyone that died for our
sins. We're held to our sins. We we're
firmly in belief of Adam and Eve were
forgiven because they repented and were
accounted accountable for their sins.
Yeah. The
>> if you live with the idea that we are
the chosen people, no matter what you
do, you're in.
>> If you live under the idea, the
misconception that someone died for your
sins, you don't have to do anything
either because you're in. As long as you
believe someone died for your sins,
there's no you don't have any personal
accountability anymore. In in the bare
bones, the bottom floor. If you believe
you're still one of these special chosen
people, you don't have any
accountability either because you're
already chosen. We're done. Muslims are
the only ones that say it is personal
accountability and Allah will either
choose to forgive, so I want to do as
much good as I can. That's what m that's
what Muslims uh when he said this is uh
Muslims are going to do what Muslims are
going to do. This is what we what we
>> This is what we
>> Let's get through these. Uh oh, yes,
please.
>> Let's get through these. Uh yes, I like
these questions.
>> There's some questions here I want to I
want to ask you directly. Uh before we
conclude, did Jesus ever explicitly
claim to be God in the earliest sources?
You got to say no. And the argument then
I believe it's in Matthew, the I am
verse. I I love that verse. Yeah.
Because again, you can search it up or
you can read the text, read books. Um,
but if you just want to search it up,
search under two ways.
>> Search up the reference to I am in the
Old Testament.
>> And however you want to phrase it, you
can say something like, "What is the Old
Testament understanding of the English
term I am?" And what is the Hebrew
translation is what I did. And it's also
referenced in books. Um, but if you
search it up that way, you'll see that
the I am phrase talks about monotheism.
It talks about God giving himself a
name. It talks about I think I spelled
it before. I think the words are the one
Hebrew word in English letters is ehweh.
And then that leads us into um also uh
an extension into Yahweh. The the way
you spell YWHW
or however they spell it. So you've got
this monotheistic understanding. And
then when you jump over into Matthew,
you've got Christians will say, "Well,
Jesus said he was before they he was
there before Abraham." That's not the
reference. I am. When he says it in that
sentence, it's even out of context. It's
not proper. It doesn't fit the sentence
structure. The words don't match. Jesus
or Christian understanding, God on earth
is not going to mess up his sentence at
the end of it. He said before Abraham
was the Hebrew term meaning God in his
singularity like the Old Testament
reference says that it's a clear
definition. There is no specific
reference that Jesus says worship me as
God because we talked about it earlier.
He said this is how we should pray to
God. This is how we should pray. Mhm.
>> And then he gives us that and he says
when you read the chapter in who's
right, who's wrong, and why? You have a
whole chapter about Jesus as the prophet
of Islam. Um is Jesus God? There's
there's a couple chapters explaining
that with even more explanation.
>> Did uh any of Jesus's closest followers,
his disciples, those who were the
nearest dearest to him, who were there
with him, did any of them believe he was
God during their lifetime? During his
lifetime? They they never said that
Jesus was God. You got to understand
that in Matthew, Mark, and Luke,
John is considered separate. When we
talk about Old Testament or excuse me,
New Testament writings, Matthew, Mark,
and Luke, Matthew, Mark, and Luke are
specifically they're referenced as the
synoptic gospels, meaning they see it
through one vision. And we've got
historical references about a Q
document. You've got the three of them.
They cross reference each other. and
this Q document and they add a little
bit of their own. Then you have John is
a separate book. You've got references
where the even the people say um they're
like, "Oh, here hurry." They and I'm
paraphrasing because I'm I'm referencing
multiple references in the New Testament
where the people even reference him as
the prophet. The prophet is coming.
Jesus in one of the chapters in the book
we talk about um Jesus references
himself as a prophet and he references
believers as gods meaning they should be
leading non-believers and it's a small
there's a big difference between a big G
god in biblical writings and a little G
god because even the the Bible itself
references believers as gods to
non-believers because they're going to
lead them to the right path. If that
makes sense. So that's when we talk
about gods, there's a big difference
between big G, little G. And Jesus
doesn't reference himself as being God
or or that part of God that was sent to
earth to to do something.
>> So So we have Jesus never explicitly
ever saying that he is the creator, I am
God, worship me in any kind of uh clear
words like that or anything of the sort
at all. The closest we've got is ask in
my name.
>> Yeah.
>> But again, that could be ask like I
taught you or ask in, you know, Jesus
taught us this, so this is the way I'm
gonna ask until the next prophet comes.
>> Yeah. But then you have clear verses
that he's differentiating him send from
God. My God, your John 2017, John, what
is it? 17:3 um I ascend unto my father,
your father, my God, your God.
>> Yes. All that stuff. Absolutely. You're
absolutely right. And then u Mark 13:32
where he's saying no one knows the hour
not myself not Jesus not the angels
nobody except yes
>> God right so he's differentiating
himself all the time so this is clear so
you have these are clear but why people
take the ambiguous you know you know if
you're trying to uh
>> change a tire and you look into a book
how to change it's going to be clear how
to how to change a tire it's not going
to say I am like you know it's not going
to throw something out like that
>> that doesn't even fit
>> it doesn't fit. So,
>> and if you are referencing with that
verse that you that's there specifically
to reference the Old Testament.
>> Yeah.
>> But the understanding is completely
different. Now we are no longer
monotheistic because you're praying to
someone who walked on earth. And the Old
Testament tells us you can never see
God's face and live. And oh, Job, the
book of Job, there are two different
references. One, and you can look up
clean and unclean. Nothing can be born
of nothing can come from the unclean and
be clean.
>> Meaning no one can be born of woman and
be clean. Right.
>> Yeah.
>> So Jesus was definitely Muslims and
Christians agree Jesus was a virgin
birth. So he was born of a woman. Job
the Old Testament tells us nothing can
be considered clean coming from the
unclean. Yeah.
>> Referencing the body parts.
>> So God can't be considered the all
powerful, the all clean, the all
knowing, the shiny. There's a reference
to shining stars and all that stuff. He
can't be born of a woman. Number two,
Job, another verse in Job talks about
man is
a worm. I'm paraphrasing. Man is a worm.
Meaning we die and we're worm food again
and we become part of a worm. There's no
way Jesus and the Christians will say he
died.
>> You cannot
>> be a man
and and we're all going to be
resurrected. So that's not it either
because we we're going to be judged. We
all die. The biblical version is we all
die and we're raised to heaven um with
the belief in in God. And the Quran is
clear. Everyone dies. We are judged.
Some are going to heaven. Some are going
to hell. So you can't literally be worm
food and be God.
>> Yeah.
>> You you cannot do it.
>> You don't have to be an academic, you
know, someone who's got a PhD to
understand a lot of these things. I was
watching the video. This is just really
simple stuff to understand. God is God.
The creator is the creator. We're his
creation. So the guy he's talking to to
one of these um people out there who's
again he's like Islam hater. And he's
asking them he says okay so you believe
that uh the sun is all knowing right? He
said yeah so God is all knowing the sun
is all going. So you got two gods. So
and then he just drops it on him. This
is very very interesting. Then he says
so what do they talk about? What's the
conversation between them look like?
Right? So this just an average guy
asking him and you think about that. So
you got one all- knowing creator, you
have his son, all knowing. What kind how
does that conversation go? He goes, "So
they talk to he goes he asked him, "So
they didn't talk to each other." He's
like, "Yeah, what do they talk about?"
>> If you think about it,
>> you know, so you know, this is uh very
um straightforward. It's very
straightforward. And let me ask you
this. Why why do the what you mentioned
the um synoptic gospels Matthew, Mark,
Luke
>> lack clear divine claims like you have
somewhat you know someone could use like
you have from John.
>> Mhm.
>> You
>> because you would think now that now
clearly you would also have the repeated
stories in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, but
you don't have them there.
>> No, you don't. What's really cool is
John stands alone. He really there's
several
>> Let me before you go on they're all
anonymous books aren't they
>> totally anonymous authors are well the
thing is they can't be
the when we talk about the oldest oldest
texts we have clear history simple
argument they can't be
number one I'd like to know even in
today's society how many Aramaic or
Arabs or even are named Matthew, Mark,
Luke, and John
>> because Jesus came to the
>> So how many Matthew, Mark, Luke, and
John's have you ever met in your life
>> from Palestine? Jesus Palestine, right?
Interesting. So, let's be clear on that.
We don't know any I don't know any
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
>> I I don't you know, even even Christians
are named Ahmed or even Christians are
named, right? Yeah.
>> So, you've got all these names. There's
no Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I
don't even know any old Greek scholars
who aren't Heraclus and and Cle Cleotus
and you know you got these weird names
out there.
>> So not even the Greeks use those names.
Let's be clear on this.
>> So then we translate it over and let's
go to the New Testament and talk about
the fact that Jesus disciples were what?
Illiterate fishermen.
>> Yeah. None of them are writing in high
Greek, which is the earliest
translations we have. None of them.
>> These are obviously written by like
people who are very sophisticated,
>> super educated
and they're and the oldest texts we have
are in Greek.
>> Yeah.
>> Even
>> I was in a discussion one time with a
with a a born again Christian, I guess
you could call him. He's he doesn't
really practice, but he really came to
it for a little while. And I I asked him
and he mentioned the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And I said, 'You know what's really cool
about the Dead Sea Scrolls? I said, 'I
love the Dead Sea Scrolls. Oh my god,
how could you love them? They really
support Christianity. They're older than
most of the Bible. And I said, Dead Sea
Scrolls, that's really cool. I said,
because you've got all these verses of
the Bible, and none of those pieces of
scroll agree with each other.
And we know there are so many different
old versions that were included in the
Bible that were not included in recent
history. That Egyptian council of Nya,
they got they threw books out. They only
kept the new they only kept what's in
the Bible now. Um so you've got to
understand there are so many versions
that we're not aware of. And how many
times has someone come to you and said,
"Well, the Quran references the Ineal.
So why don't you believe in the gospel?"
>> Well, I got to tell you, we don't have
an Injeal. We don't even have an
original Old Testament, New Testament
from Jesus time. We don't have that
stuff. So, we certainly don't have that
original. And if we did, it would be
called the Ineal and we would see the
agreement. We would see the prophecies
in their fulfillment because I can
believe Isaiah 21:42 and 60 when they
reference the Arabian Peninsula, when
they reference the three chariots
coming. I can believe in all those those
prophets, right? They they they don't
have it. We do. Some of the truth may
still be in there and I I reference it
all the time, but you've got these
discrepancies. If we go to the biggest
prostitizer,
>> yeah,
>> Paul,
>> he's got three different conversion
stories in his own words and there are
five different versions.
>> Yeah. You mentioned the Dead Sea
Scrolls. This is interesting fact that,
you know, when it was discovered in
1947,
>> there was restricted access to it for 35
years. And the only people, get this, I
mean the only people who had access to
it was the government and the Catholic
scholars, the the Vatican.
>> Yeah. They have to tie that stuff up.
>> 35. Can you imagine? 35 years.
>> Exactly.
>> Before independent scholars can come in
and look at it. So imagine now with all
of the other books, you know,
>> we can't even get the Epstein files. And
that was in our lifetime.
>> That's a really good Imagine that. We
can't think about that. We can't get
these files. Epstein. But imagine that
time when the church controlled
everything 35 years and 35 years dead.
What about all these other books that
they deliberately now they got they pick
what's going to be in here and then you
got other gospels. Gospel of Thomas, you
know,
>> all these things. Well, isn't there a
Barnabas? There's
>> you have all these others that didn't
make it. They don't conveniently they
didn't make it because you can say they
don't talk about crucifixion. They don't
talk about divinity. earlier Christians
and many other Christians, the Nazarines
and others.
>> They've got you've got the Catholic
version of the Bible. Yeah. And the
non-atholic
>> the Duray version. Yeah. Yeah.
>> You've got two different versions for
today's society because the Catholics
say yes, this should be in there and
non-atholics say no. And then like you
said, 35 years of no access and we've
got the Epstein file and those crooks
are still here.
>> But why? Yeah. except the uh is and the
Catholic Church. What are they doing for
35 years?
>> I can't imagine.
>> Think about that. Look that up. Okay, a
couple more questions before we
conclude. Absolutely.
>> Why would you say, look, why does the
Old Testament, this is very important,
explicitly, explicitly say God is not a
man. In Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9 says,
"For God is not a man." It's very clear.
>> So, did God like make a mistake now? Was
he not clear? And later now, he's a man.
>> Exactly. Well, picture if we remove
an inaccuracy from God,
>> that's why we would say
the Old Testament, New Testament, they
cannot be accurate. Mhm.
>> Because
we rely Christians today, I I say we
meaning people. We rely on the
prophecies of the old or the believers.
I'll say the believers in the Bible. The
believers in the New Testament part of
the Bible rely on Old Testament
prophecies
to explain Jesus. But then they skip
over prophecies that say he can't be a
man. You can't see his face. Um you he
can't be born of a woman. He's man is
less than a worm. You cannot use any of
those descriptions for the all powerful.
You can't do it. So that's our proof
within the text that text itself that
it's inaccurate.
>> It it cannot be accurate. And they can't
validate anything they say based on
that. Literally, if you compare the two
books, the the Bible, Old Testament, New
Testament, and the Quran,
>> look for the similarities and let's
figure that stuff out. Yeah. Uh, last
question I want to ask you about Paul.
Was Paul a direct
>> disciple of Jesus?
>> No.
>> No, he wasn't.
>> Well, you But when I say he wasn't, and
we're talking to Christians. Oh, yes, he
was. It was the spirit of Jesus that
descended and the voice and the all that
stuff.
>> That's a nice story.
>> Real great story. But then you have
another version of Paul and you can look
this. Well, you already know it. Um, you
have another story from Paul saying that
when he was raised up and he had that
experience, he says he didn't know who
the voices were from, but he knows the
devil. We say I always say the sh I say
the shayan all the time was there as a
thorn in his side. Yeah.
>> So he hears all these voices.
>> He's admitting
>> never met Jesus, but he's admitting that
the devil was there. Now I got to tell
you, the devil's a liar. The Bible says
it, Old Testament, um, with Adam and
Eve, lied to them, deceiver. We
acknowledge it. So, let's be clear. Paul
is saying he knows the devil was there,
but he doesn't know where all these
other voices came from. All done.
>> Wow. All right. And you can find this uh
here in Who's Right, Who's Wrong, and
Why Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.
And I'm here with the author, Dr. Daniel
McBride. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you for going over this
and uh also helping us to respond to the
Patrick Ben David. What what what would
you say um to a person like Patrick Ben
David? What would you say? Um
>> what advice would you give them? People
like him.
>> Yeah, I' I'd absolutely
you have to investigate your
motivations.
>> It's it's truly
>> if you're going after fact then use more
facts. If you're going after drama, stay
on the path because that's all you're
living on. There's there's no truth
there at all. Um, and it's not so much
the leader,
it's the people that choose to follow
that person. The audience should clearly
know that he is not speaking truths and
he really should invite us to a dialogue
and he can even come up with all the
questions. He can he ask us whatever he
wants to and it's it's that's what I
would ask him to do. Let's pursue the
truth, not the drama. There's enough
reality TV out there. We don't need any
more shows.
>> Yeah. Absolutely. Enough Jerry
Springers. And this is even this is even
worse now. Right. Because you're putting
people American lives, Muslim American
lives.
>> Yes. At risk.
>> At risk. Yeah. With all of this uh lies,
distortions. And um I've offered we
offered to come talk, sit, let's have a
civil conversation. doesn't have to be a
debate war because usually we don't get
nowhere with that. But let's have civil
conversations and learn what Islam is by
those who practice it, who live it.
>> Yeah. Learn from each other. Thank you
very much again.
>> Thank you.
>> And I want to invite you guys to uh read
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