Islam to the West. Why is the West kind
of floating over to it? What What is the
appeal?
>> Are Muslims allowed to lie for the sake
of spreading Islam? They're coming here
and they're saying, "Yeah, we we we love
you guys. We we back you guys." But the
moment they are the majority, they will
turn and Sharia law will take over. And
if Sharia law takes over, women will be
beaten. If Sharia law takes over,
homosexuals will be chucked off
buildings. If Sharia law takes over,
pastors will be killed, women will be
raped, children will be turned into
Muslims, and churches will be bought and
turned into mosques, which is what's
happening in London. So, I think what
they're doing now in America is they're
practicing taka where they're lying to
your face until you let them in. And
once you let them in, they'll take over.
>> Does Islam promote lying to non-Muslims?
Do we have a green light to just lie to
propagate
>> is not a concept upheld? There is no
such thing as lying to
>> what we've been saying right. So is
somebody paying off chat GBT for us to
this day are holding the key to the
holiest place in Jerusalem to
Christians.
>> There is no compulsion
>> Mhm.
>> in bringing people into the faith.
>> Now therefore un alive every male among
the little ones and non-combatants are
not to be touched. The Chetnik they came
and they just massacred genocided the
what he's saying is actually again a
projection a confession what people end
up doing these extremists parents
siblings children all the people in your
life your earnings your spendings you
cannot understand a religion based on
mass media you just can't
>> we are here with Mui Rashid how are you
the author of Obeying the messenger.
This is your book.
>> Uh I simply translated.
>> Translated. Beautiful. Uh so tell me
your thoughts. We've heard a lot of
accusations
and that's why we brought on a qualified
teacher, somebody who's dedicated their
life to learning Islam. Uh but it seems
like these they're platforming people
like this and asking them questions. And
when you hear this, what goes through
your mind?
The first thing is that if you want an
understanding of any any topic, any
subject in any meaningful way, you
should go to the source that possesses
the knowledge and the information.
There doesn't appear to be any benefit
in asking someone of a completely
different background questions about
another another background. It's like
asking questions
um about medicine to a chef. Uh what
would they know besides maybe what
they've heard on the news?
>> Mhm.
>> And um that that is my first thought
that why not just go and talk to
Muslims, educated Muslims to see what
they have to say about
>> these types of matters.
>> Let's go through these one by one. some
of the some of the things that this
individual said. He said they'll love
you.
They'll love you guys
and then they'll lie to you guys and
then they'll take over. So Muslims will
lie love say they love you. They'll lie
to you and then they then they'll take
over.
>> Are Muslims allowed to lie? They're
coming here and they're saying, "Yeah,
we we we love you guys." They will turn
and Sharia law will take over. So are
Muslims, do we have a green light to
just lie to propagate Islam?
>> We absolutely don't. There is no room
for us to lie. Period. And when it comes
to presenting a sacred message,
part of preserving its sanctity is that
you be truthful to the message. You
don't give false impressions about it.
So if someone believes that Muslims
can lie or will lie for the sake of
propagating their faith, that is a
falsehood. Number two, people aren't so
naive or ignorant that they're not going
to go and follow up on their own and
look into the details for themselves. If
somebody were to lie to them today, that
would be revealed tomorrow and then they
would be called out for lying. So there
is no
sanction in Islam for and there's no
endorsement in Islam for for lying for
the sake of propagating the faith. You
know people who propagate the faith do
so because of their conviction that it
is the truth. So why would you need to
lie to spread the truth?
>> It doesn't add up.
>> But they got this term that they always
throw out there. Tea. How would you
address that? Tea
>> is not a concept upheld in mainstream
Islam.
This has come from some sects that
um that endorse it that that use it.
I don't think they they use it for the
sake of propagating Islam at all. They
use it for personal interests
where uh their people have given them
allowances to to give misleading
information about who they truly are
usually for the sake of protecting their
worldly interests.
That is the concept of
but mainstream Islam like if we were to
say in Sunni Islam there is no such
thing as lying
uh to propagate Islam number one there
is no um allowance for lying generally
and there is no allowance for misleading
people into thinking that you're someone
that they're not. The only
exclusion that the Quran gives is that
if somebody is
at the tip of a sword,
forced to recant their faith or take
back their faith or denounce their faith
at the threat of death.
The only allowance there is that this
person will not be punished if they say
something to save their life.
>> Even then you have examples of
companions of the prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasallam who refused they refused
to say those words that the polytheist
uh oppressors of that time were trying
to force them to say. And many uh of the
companions, many of the Muslims at that
time were coerced um at the threat of
death uh to to denounce their faith, but
they didn't.
>> So all the verse is saying that if
someone did just to save their life,
they would not be punished for doing so
so long as the belief remains intact in
their heart.
A person who has uh denounced their
faith uh inwardly. Well, then they are
not they're not no longer a person of
faith in the sight of Allah subhana wa
tala.
>> I you can easily go to um the sources of
Islam and try to find something to
disprove what we're saying. But
nowadays, I mean with all this technical
advancement, I'm just going to try a
test here. Can you tell me chat? Are you
there?
>> Listening. It's true that there were
companions who held on to their faith.
>> Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me ask
you a question. Does Islam promote lying
to non-Muslims?
>> No. Islam does not promote lying to
anyone. Honesty is a core value and
truthfulness is emphasized in
interactions with all people. There are
some nuance discussions in Islamic
juristprudence about extreme situations
like saving a life, but as a general
principle, integrity is key.
>> There you have it. I mean people can
simply chat GBT but uh they it's
amazing. What do you think? I mean uh
when you hear that uh
>> it's you know it's pretty much spot on
is what we've been saying
>> what we've been saying right. So is
somebody paying off chat GBT for us.
>> Tell me.
>> I highly highly doubt that.
>> Yeah. All right. So we got that one. We
wrapped that one up. Tell me um what
else did he say? He said if uh Muslims
took over they're going to be unaliving
pastors. Is that what he said? Did I
hear that correctly?
>> If Sharil takes over, pastors will
>> I I believe so. Yeah.
>> Yes. That that was the
>> That means religious figures in
Christianity, they're going to be just
un alive taken out. It's actually just a
a sign of the
of the lack of information or knowledge
that the pres that the person has about
the religion or the lack of
understanding or in in an even simpler
word the ignorance of the person to what
Islam is really all about. In Islam,
even in battle situations,
the people who are um
who are well respected as faith leaders,
they are not to be harmed. They're not
to be touched.
Just like their religious institutions
are not to be violated.
And that uh is
it's available over such a huge
cross-section of Islamic history that in
terms of its implementation, it's an
undeniable fact. Mhm.
>> Just as as one small example, uh what
did
when he entered into Jerusalem and they
they handed over the keys of uh alud to
him?
>> Mhm.
>> Which churches did he destroy and which
relics did he remove? In fact, he
restored
and upheld the sanctity of those
religious facilities including the
church of the holy sear. When they
requested him to come and pray there, he
said, "I'm not going to come and pray in
your church because if I do so, tomorrow
Muslims might make a claim that our
leader prayed here, therefore it's ours.
>> Please save the church." actually
>> to make sure that their
>> right to continue upholding their
religion and its beliefs and practices
was protected for generations to come.
>> Wow, that's really powerful. You think
about
>> what happened when Aubi entered into
Jerusalem
victoriously.
How he gave uh not only safe passage to
anyone who wanted to leave but how he
guaranteed protection for anyone who
wanted to stay and undertook the
responsibility of making sure that they
and their uh freedom to believe in the
religion that they wanted to could not
be tampered with.
So
this is a a gross misportrayal. What was
happening when uh the were being kicked
out of Spain, out of Andalucia? Who gave
them shelter? It was the Muslims that
gave them shelter. If there was this
type of a approach that you're you're
supposed to Muslims or you're supposed
to be even aggressive towards them, we
would not have so much historical
precedence of guarding and protecting
other people, even people who can't do
anything for us.
So that is another absolute falsehood.
>> There's a good point. You have Muslims
to this day are holding the key to the
holiest place in Jerusalem to
Christians, the holy seprea, right?
That's amazing.
>> Well, it's under that general uh
authority of
>> Yeah. They open up uh because the the
Christians they were um they entrusted
the Muslims because within themselves
they were having schisms and fighting
and so that's it's amazing to think
about. I think people are having
difficulty
in
in accepting the reality that Islam
is something that spreads from one heart
to another.
>> Mhm.
>> And there is no compulsion
>> in bringing people into the faith.
>> We cannot and we do not compel anyone.
is actually referring to trying to
compel people to become Muslim. There is
no such concept. The Quran completely
negates it.
>> Mh.
>> What we do have, however, is da to
invite people to call people because
Islam being
the truth deserves to be known. It
deserves to be introduced. And Islam,
people came into Islam because it
touched their hearts. because it struck
so close to their own innate nature. It
was in perfect synchrony with human
nature. Nothing about it goes against
human nature.
>> Mhm.
>> In fact, it guards and protects and
boosts human nature so that it is able
to achieve its greatest extent of
potential
>> from all areas.
>> And it has so much to offer. And it does
not criticize between uh race and and
language and color of skin. It is a
universal religion and it does not have
extremes in it like we find in the other
faiths.
>> There are no extremes in the belief
system. There are no extremes in the
worship system. You don't have to give
up your basic human needs in order to be
deemed holy or pious
because those needs we believe were were
created in us by God. He created the
need to eat as an example, the need for
transport and shelter and clothing and
all our other needs. He created those
needs. So how could
isolating yourself and separating
yourself completely from those needs
be a part of the path towards God?
No. What Islam teaches us is don't get
so obsessed with the with these needs
that they start feeding your lesser
tendencies
so that they get the better of you.
Because if you become a person that is
entirely focused on your needs, then
that's going to lead to you being
entirely focused on your desires, on
your desires. Your desires will become
paramount in your eyes. So that's why
through practices and exercises such as
fasting, you see that in fasting, food
is not eliminated. It's just mitigated
to teach us discipline and to teach us
patience.
aside from countless health benefits,
but it's actually to teach us that
you're not here in this world just to
eat and drink and fill your belly. There
are other things. So, free up some of
your bandwidth for your spirit, for your
soul, and start nourishing that.
So, there are no extremes in uh in
Islam. It's a dean of perfect balance.
So, we pretty much covered most of it.
You have this whole lying lie. Uh we
even you had we checked in with Chad
GBT. This is Islam is based on
integrity, honesty. You mentioned no
compulsion and religion. This is a
direct verse from God Almighty, the
creator of Allah. So you're not going to
be taking out pastors and others who are
living Christianity. Your rights are
actually protected there, right? People
of the book, they're protected. And what
else here? He talks about the why did he
always bring this up? Beating women.
beating women and I think you also
mentioned raping women.
>> Yes.
>> And if Sharia law takes over, women will
be beaten. Women will
>> I don't even I don't think comments like
that even merit a response.
>> Mhm.
>> Um
>> I'm surprised the people across him did
not ch Nobody challenged him to like you
know you know you'll usually say what's
your reference where you come.
>> Maybe that was the type of answer that
they were trying to solicit.
>> They're trying to solicit. Yeah. But the
the key thing is that uh there is no
such concept in Islam that women will be
raped. You know, how can you say such a
vile thing? So, it's, you know, like I
said, it doesn't merit a response. A a
religion that is built on chastity and
integrity and honor and nobility
and a religion that undertakes to
safeguard the respect and the dignity of
all the people that we interact with.
To say something like that is just, you
know, it's absolutely it's nonsensical.
It's ridiculous. I want to and I and I
do this um just because when you have
people who throw stones out of a stone
out of a glass house I call it you have
he's a Christian and I never do this
deliberately to pick on any Christian
but just to show the hypocrisy. So I'm
going to read you a verse because
there's nothing that you can find in the
sources of Islam that's going to
substantiate what he's saying. But I'm
going to just take one example because
he's a Christian and I say how can this
be interpreted? All right. Okay. This is
in numbers 31. It's in the Old
Testament. And it says, "Now therefore
unal alive every male among the little
ones and every woman who has known a man
by sleeping with him. But all the young
girls who have not known a man bly
virgins uh by sleeping with them, keep
them alive for yourselves." So you can
what do you when you when you hear that
comparing it as you're a teacher of
Islam, you have clear injunctions. What
happens in war? non-combatants are not
to be touched. Um when Prophet Muhammad
went to his told his generals, you know,
all the this is even before the Geneva
Conventions. Many say that the Geneva
Conventions stems from Islam, right? So
now here this is like go into the town,
take out men, women, children, donkeys,
I mean anything, and then keep the young
ones who haven't slept with a man for
yourselves. H how can you go ahead and
if you want to cherrypick, you got a
clear verse right here to go ahead. It's
a lowhanging fruit.
>> Yeah. And I think there are there are uh
many verses like that.
>> Many. Yeah.
>> U
>> and I said again disclaimer. I don't
usually just throw out stuff like this
randomly to attack anybody's religion,
but this person's a Christian and now
just pointing out the obvious.
>> Right. So I think as you uh as you
pointed out there is a clear
self-contradiction or an ignorance of
their own religious texts.
>> We're not responsible for that.
>> Yeah.
>> What we do is we answer tough questions
about our religion and we don't shy away
from that.
>> Yeah. I I would like to talk on touch on
another uh point that was raised about
the church be the churches if the
Muslims gain sufficient numbers then the
churches will be bought
>> Mhm.
>> and converted uh into mosques. It was
very interesting because from one
perspective it almost sounds like
they're talking about an invasion,
right? If you were to invade a place I
don't think you would need to buy stuff
from them. you would just invade it and
take everything.
So first of all the Islamic directive
very very clearly is as I mentioned
before churches and places of worship
are not to be violated period.
Maybe
that individual or others like them are
wondering why churches are converted to
mosques.
And that's actually a question for
those
religious groups to answer that why are
they selling them? They're the ones
putting them up for sale. Someone's
going to buy them.
>> Yeah.
>> Muslims need the mosque five times a
day. It's not something of a ceremony or
a ritual
for us to go, you know, once a week or
once a month to our religious place to
attend a ceremony. A Muslim's
relationship with the mosque is very
intimate. It's very close. You're going
there every single day and you are
worshiping your creator and
strengthening your bond with him. And
it's a place of of calm and quiet and
reflection and prayer and remembrance.
So for a Muslim, the mosque has a great
deal of maybe even more so than other
faiths. It has a great deal of
significance and practical
role in their lives.
>> We don't go for ceremonies. We don't go
for you know just a particular event.
It's a part of our daily lives
and uh it's a place where Muslims
congregate. It's a place where we pray
together and all kinds of wonderful
things emerge. It's a it's like the
nexus of a Muslim community.
>> I give a live example. you know after
what happened in Bosnia you had these um
extremists who are actually Christian
not blaming Christianity but the Chutnik
they came and they just massacred
genocided the the Muslims there which is
called the Jerusalem of Europe Bosnia
it's known as the Jerusalem of Europe
you have Christians you have Orthodox
Christians you have there who actually
came and sought refuge along in Bania
Bosnia and you will see that when
Muslims had the upper hand now after the
war when things turned around there was
some 600 plus moss masids they were just
destroyed this actually this was before
things turned around when they started
to take out all the Muslims there every
single 600 people can look this up over
600 places of worship moss were
destroyed demolished
>> so what he's what he's saying is
actually again a projection a confession
what people end up doing these these
extremists and then but on the flip side
you had maybe just like a few that were
you know from shrapnel or something
churches that were destroyed because our
our religion Islam teaches us the
opposite what he's saying.
>> Yeah. So uh the analogy of uh glass
houses um the I think there is a lack of
maturity in religious discourse from the
perspective of we hear little sound
bites of information. We don't verify
them for their veracity,
for how well rooted and grounded they
are in fact and it it's all just
propaganda from that point onwards.
>> It's about um getting more views. It
serves as clickbait and it it doesn't
have any real value to the discourse and
the discussions uh between the faiths.
The faiths have had many
wonderful meaningful discussions. They
have lived and coexisted harmoniously
for centuries.
There haven't been any issues.
It's this this type of commentary
>> which is its own form of extremism
because you are targeting
a massive population of the world and
you know you're going to evoke a
response and you know you're going to
become
famous because of the controversial
things you've said.
>> Mhm.
But at the end of the day, everyone will
know that all of this was just like a
parlor trick for you to gain more
popularity.
>> The Muslims are here. We're everywhere.
And we are here not just for the
Muslims. We are here for anyone who
wants to who is genuinely interested and
intrigued about any aspect of our faith.
We're happy to share it and we can talk
about the the difficult or the difficult
sounding topics. We can talk about them.
We can explain them. Everything is
immaculately preserved in our texts like
we started the discussion with. Even if
somebody were to speak an untruth about
their religion, it's very easy for
people to go and say, "Wait a minute,
that's not true. That's not a a correct
representation." But what we're not
interested in is mudslinging. What we're
not interested is in insulting other
people's faiths and insulting other
people's intelligence. We're not
interested in that.
>> We are our job is to convey the message
of Islam in in a clear in a simple way
in a way that makes sense to people in a
way that they can understand it for what
it is. Our job is not to sugarcoat
anything.
It's not to misinterpret or offer our
own interpretations. We will call it for
what it is. That's our only role here.
And you know the question of what's the
draw
>> towards Islam? Why?
>> That was the last question I was going
to ask you.
>> What is what is the attraction? What's
the draw? And when you have he talks
about beating women, but there's
actually this dismantles the whole
argument because intelligent women are
coming. There's more women coming to
Islam than men. Intelligent women who
investigate, look at the truth. They're
sick of being
used and abused, right, for their
bodies, for, you know, they want to be
respected. They start wearing hijab,
modest dress, and they've done their
homework, right? They've done the
research.
>> They know that Islam is going to protect
them.
>> Yeah.
So,
you know, the truth has its own allure.
>> The truth has its own allure. Yeah. And
it will always draw the hearts and the
minds of people.
Number two, the beauty of the religion
at so many levels.
For example, how comprehensive its
teachings are, how they touch every area
of human life. No other religion has
that complete set of teachings that
Islam does.
It is literally the complete package of
life
from your your personal life,
your hygiene, your family life, your
your parents, siblings, children, all
the people in your life, your earnings,
your spendings, your social conduct,
your etiquette, your demeanor, your
inner attitudes.
and approaches to life and life
situations your application of those
tendencies that you have inside. It
covers every dimension of human
existence
including the issue of safety and
security. Islam discusses it very very
openly.
So when you have and this is uh in the
words of one Christian priest
uh these are his words
>> he says that every time you share
something about your your faith I go
back to my religious text I go back to
my faith and I see a little bit of a gap
there that we don't have that kind of
clarity or we don't have actual
teachings about that area of life and I
had a very lengthy discussion with him
maybe on some occasion I'll share it
with you. But he says, "Every time I've
asked you a question and you've raised a
point, I keep going back to my tradition
and looking for that the teachings don't
seem as crystal clear as they are in
yours or the teachings simply are not
there. So you have a complete set of
teachings. I have a more vague set of
teachings. it seems like you're getting
the better deal out of it
>> to the point where he says I don't know
if I can stay content with uh with a
system that leaves so many things
unexplained.
>> Mhm.
>> The point is that there are many many
things that attract the uh the hearts
and the minds of people. The personality
of our prophet sallallahu alaihi
wasallam that is pulling people. The
words of of God, the Quran, it is
drawing people. I mean, you're in this
field. Uh you probably can't count how
many people have come to you and
accepted Islam just because they've
started reading the Quran.
>> Yes.
>> That's a fact.
>> Read the book. Yeah.
>> And no one is telling them. No one's
breathing down their neck, standing over
their shoulder, telling them to do
anything. They're doing it. And it's
funny because every time something goes
sideways in the Muslim world or some
damage or oppression happens to Muslims,
all of a sudden you have this flood of
people entering into the fold of Islam
because they want to investigate.
They're like, "Okay, there's all this
talk about this faith. What's the deal
with these people?" And in in many
cases, it brings them right to the
doorstep of Islam. Mhm. You said
something earlier and I thought that was
really powerful when not yet Muslims,
non-Muslims, they also learn about the
unraveling of Islam connecting it to
what they can connect the love of Jesus,
the love of his blessed mother Mary, the
prophets. Can you go into that making
that connection? Absolutely. Islam has
been there from the beginning from the
first man. And of the most beautiful
aspects of Islam is how it reveres and
respects all of this this entire galaxy
of prophets.
>> Mhm.
>> How much reverence it gives to every
single one of them. In fact, there are
miracles of Jesus is Alisam mentioned in
the Quran that that are not mentioned in
the Bible. That is a fact. how it how it
teaches us to respect them that you
don't get to criticize if you read a
biblical narrative about a prophet let's
say Joseph and read the Quranic
narrative about the same prophet it's
the same story that you will find in
Genesis you will find it in surah yuf
entire chapter devoted to him look at
the the tone and the respect that is
given to this family
how much reverence There is so Islam
shows appreciation for all the previous
religious texts. You cannot be a Muslim
if you don't believe that what Moses
received was the truth and what Jesus
received was the truth and what David
received was the truth. You can't be a
Muslim if you don't believe that that
was the truth.
It's so the respect is that deeply uh
rooted in the faith and and sometimes
that's what's pulling the hearts of
people.
>> Mhm. Let's close it up. Um go ahead and
for the um person who's sincere, who's
obviously
figured out that this person is just
just a a compulsive liar. He's all all
everything that they've state is based
just based on lies, you know, and
they're gravitating to what you're
talking about explaining Islam. And for
the truth seeker, what advice? What
advice? There's so much a billion dollar
industry that people like him are paid,
you know, to push out fake news, it's
propaganda, lies, but they've tuned in.
What What advice do you have for the
truth seeker?
>> Go and talk to Muslims. Talk to educated
Muslims. If the questions are more
technical or more um text related, go
and talk to scholars. I mean, you have
well-educated Muslims and scholars in
virtually every community, every city in
the states. They're there. Go to the
source. Um let them come to you and you
can reach out to scholars to help answer
their questions. But there is so much
work going on, beneficial work that
Muslims are doing in every community
that they become a part of. Go and see
that work for your own eyes. Decide for
yourself. No one's going to tell you to
uh to accept Islam whether you like it
or not. You will you can only accept it
if you fall in love with it. But the
point here is not even that. The point
is that don't go to third parties or
people who have no understanding
whatsoever. They have uh no authority,
no background. Don't go to those people.
Don't go to the chef to ask about
medicine. Go to the doctors and take
your medical inquiries there. The chef
can't diagnose you. They can't. They
don't know a lick about any of this
stuff. Just go to the source.
And look, when it comes to um
mass media,
I've spent a significant amount of time
uh working with various um media outlets
and uh in the capacity of explaining and
giving answers to their questions about
Islam. So, one thing that they have told
me is that news is always about the
storyline. It's not so much about what's
happening. It's about making it
exciting, making it intriguing, uh,
captivating. It's about the spin on the
story more than the events. You cannot
understand a religion based on mass
media. You just can't. Just like you
can't learn about a country or a
civilization by watching the news. You
need to go and take a course, take a
class, go to a teacher, go to someone
who has studied it and has some extent
of authority uh in that in that subject
area. That's where you're going to get
the answers.
>> Mi Rashid, thank you. Thank you for uh
helping us to uh
>> My privilege. It was uh it was just uh
Subhan Allah. We didn't plan this.
>> Yeah,
>> it just happened.
>> Yeah, you're here showing up. What do
you think about the Dean Center?
>> Wonderful. I am so happy to see the
facility and I am very excited to see
the the work that comes out of here. May
Allah subhanaa tala protect you, protect
uh all of the work that you've done thus
far and make this place, this facility a
a beneficial place for all people where
they can come, they can find peace, they
can find answers, they can find
solutions, they can find the truth. And
this is a massive work that you are
doing and um
>> you got to see it firsthand now.
>> Amazing.
>> I can't wait to see it once it's fully
up and running and populated with
people. Um you know the halls and the
rooms being filled with uh with
educational programs. Uh I'm very
excited to see that. May Allah subhana
wa ta'ala pave the path for you and uh
and protect you every step of the way.
>> You too mean. Thank you.
The dump.