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Alum greetings of Peace we have a lot a
lot to discuss we're going to be
reacting to a pbd our friend Patrick B
David he had a Christian Pastor on and I
have a guest who was on the PB pbd C
podcast not to some months ago with me
to go ahead and react to this video and
much of what the pastor was saying
pastor
Cliff is here with me Daniel
kikachu Alum alayum Salam K how you
doing good alhamdulillah how you been
good good doing good all right uh so
you're no stranger to uh the pbd podcast
huh no no stranger it's not the first
time you heard of it yeah we were
actually we had some history there huh
when we were uh we went down to uh bring
back some memories huh yeah good
memories from last year that was last
year yes we went down it was um we were
there as a fill in and then uh what what
what do you remember that was well I
remember that uh we were there in the
hotel yes um the night before uhhuh uh
and then for feder after we prayed feder
together in the hotel and then we
Gathering our thoughts Gathering our
notes getting our strategy down so
that's what I remember I think that um
this um the the guests that he had on
before uh I think they were they were
ones that you were classify different C
categories of of people like that they
were ones who were in this uh hate
industry um so there is no like I don't
think any pulling them out I mean
guidance can you know come at any time
for anybody Allah the Creator is control
of that so just people seem with no
integrity and I and I um I remember when
we were coming out and I just saw Robert
Spencer because he wouldn't he do you
remember he didn't want to uh he said I
pulled out and he was like it was
supposed to be me and Patrick yeah and
as Christian Muslim and then you Jake
and them two and then he was like no I'm
not if this what did he say if I'm on
he's not coming on yeah he basically was
at the airport yeah at the last minute
and he said oh if Eddie's there I'm out
yeah so I mean this is the mindset
because it makes sense that Patrick is a
Christian so if he's the host and you
have two Christians is three against two
so okay have brother Eddie he's going to
be the co-host you know the Muslim
co-host to the Christian co-host but I
guess a fair fight was going to be too
much for them yeah but I remember I I
remember when um we were leaving uh
before we start I I had just seen him he
was in that room you know the guest room
where we were waiting and I saw him and
he tried to say something to me and I
kind of just for a minute I was like I
looked at him I said man I I said
because we've been through all the pmics
back and forth and I just sincerely told
myself man you need to turn to God you
just need to turn I said turn to your
creator before it's too late man just
turn to God right ask him for guidance
that's it that's all I left him with so
yeah M you have a very good heart
brother Eddie yeah that's not those
aren't the words that come to mind if I
see if I see that person but now we have
Pastor another Pastor by the name of
Cliff he's out on the campuses and he's
debating um students sometimes Muslims
he seems like he has more Integrity he
seems like someone we can have a
rational nice discussion without the
insults and whatnot what do you think
yeah hopefully inshallah the thing with
um
the people you mentioned with the pbd
podcast they made their whole careers
off of yes attacking Islam lying about
Islam like they literally uh made
potentially millions of dollars off of
defaming Islam with the worst kinds of
Lies um but you see certain pastors like
perhaps this um Mr Cliff who is going to
be more honest and willing to engage
like I don't know ultimately if he will
accept like certain points that we put
to him
but uh if he ends up watching this but
at least you know there can be honesty
and that's something that is missing
from some of these uh pists absolutely
100% so the invitation to him is open
you can come on and we can discuss some
of these things that he can go ahead and
um try to give answers to we're going to
refute some of the things that he's
saying bring help Patrick Ben David have
a better understanding because it seems
like he's very confused on some things
uh I don't know and that's why he keeps
he keeps he has an interest in his he
keeps asking questions about Islam but
he's asking the wrong people right yeah
all right let's get go before sorry I
interrupt to you but it does kind of
speak volumes that it's living in his
head so within Islam go to Islam you
know rentree you could say like he's
thinking about Islam and he has these
questions and it's almost like he's
bringing on people like like Islam seems
really solid like how can we not believe
in this explain to me or convince me why
Islam is not the truth that that's the
sense that I get with some of these
guests when he brings up Islam so I
think he has like this positive view of
Islam and he's just trying to get
pastors or Christians to reaffirm his
own Christian faith so that's a good
sign I think that's a good sign and
inshallah you know with your efforts we
can do good daah inshallah God willing
let's get right into it okay let's go
let's go back to basic fundamentals mhm
say I'm undecided okay and I'm in a
market I'm watching Andrew Tate goes
from being a Christian to being a muslim
okay and believe it or not he's got a
lot of influence with young men so hey
man I love what this guy has to say I
agree with them why would a guy as great
of a communicator as him and as many
followers as he has why would he become
Muslim I'm curious
I'm willing to bet he influenced a lot
of other young men to also become
Muslims cool let's put that there
Christianity okay Catholic we can put
these together right Judaism you're
seeing what's going on here how do you
differ if you were to in a very basic
way as a professor as a pastor what is
the difference between being a Christian
between being a Jew between being a
muslim okay there's twofold question
here he's asking him why would Tate
Andrew Tate become Muslim right what is
it about Islam and then the other one I
think this is a great question is what's
the difference between being a Christian
Jew and Muslim so people want to see his
answer he can give it but I think this
is great he would asked us so let's
start with that what what is it I mean
why would Andrew Tate become a
Muslim well the why he should become
Muslim and he did become Muslim he had
his own internal reasons but it had to
do with uh Muslims stand up for the
truth they don't bend um their beliefs
because of political pressure
um they don't distort things um if you
insult their religion they get angry and
they will react in a you know principled
way those are the things that he
mentioned uh leading up to his
conversion like that was what attracted
him to Islam is that he Islam doesn't
Bend like Christianity does so I mean is
that the primary reason others would
accept Islam perhaps um but what really
distinguishes Islam from Christianity or
Judaism or any any other system of life
is that Islam is from the Creator is
from God Almighty and it is based on the
worship of God alone without any
partners and this is not something that
you will find in other Faith systems
like the kind of um focus we call ited
on Allah on God the Creator is unmatched
and you can see the evidence of this
when you look at Muslim societies versus
Christian societies versus even Jewish
societies like in Israel they do surveys
on this like well what is they they take
a survey of the general population like
what is your strength in belief in God
Muslim societies are number one what is
your strength in belief in Revelation
Muslim societies are number one you look
at love of God fear of God belief in God
um for all of these different societies
Muslim societies are number one why
because Islam ingrained this really
strong sense of belief and Devotion to
God that other Faith systems just don't
do so that's like empirical evidence at
how Islam is unique compared to other
religions I think there's um when he
talk what's the difference between
Christian Jew and Muslim so Christians
go ahead and they stop at Jesus they
accept all the prophets before that came
right and they'll believe they're
prophets and they call people to worship
God so then comes Jesus but then they
take him to a Divine they just totally
now take him out of the zone that God
put him in as a prophet right and then
from there um the Jews they take Jesus
also now to a whole different level
right they're waiting for a messiah but
then they say this is not the Messiah
and then they say all sorts of I mean I
mean you know what they say about Jesus
right we they say very despicable things
um Judaism is the only religion that
actively part of their theology is
hating Jesus Christ um because they view
him as like
before you go on are you part of the an
anti-semitic uh club or something we w
we don't have none of that here no of
course not we don't want to be
anti-semitic we just want to talk about
what you know this particular religion
teaches okay and what their books teach
so you open the open the talmud which is
um arguably the most important source of
religion and law in Judaism um it's the
Torah and the talmud the Torah is the
written law the talmud is the oral law
but it's both both of them were
according to Judaism revealed to Moses
the oral law was passed down orally as
opposed to the um five books uh of the
Hebrew Bible the pentat but the um
talmud has many derogatory statements
against Jesus claiming that uh his
mother uh committed
adultery and that basically Jesus IL
legitimate child um Jesus was a kind of
sorcerer he practiced Magic he was
trying to lead people into idolatry he
was an
idolator and then ultimately Jesus is uh
boiling in Hell in a vat of feces MH and
uh a great book academic that you can
read on this is written by a Jewish uh
academic named Peter schaer uh it was
published by Princeton University press
it's called Jesus and the talmud and it
goes and gives like the full story of
what J Judaism at least in the talmud
thinks about Jesus Christ because a lot
of U Jewish apologists will claim no no
no there's no Jesus is not even
mentioned in the talmud Judaism doesn't
even care about Jesus this is false this
is completely false and academic Jewish
Scholars like Peter Schaefer have debunk
this so it's a good book to pick up if
for those who are interested but the
kind of uh the way you framed it is
amazing actually M you said that well
Christianity puts Jesus on this you know
the highest pedestal possible saying
that he's God and then Jews put him on
the lowest pedestal and say that he's in
hell and it's actually Muslims and Islam
that has the correct understanding of
Jesus that he is a prophet and a long
seccession of prophets and he's the
Messiah so he is special um Messiah
messah means anointed uh in Arabic um
and he will return We believe he's the
Messiah he is the Messiah yes the unique
singular Messiah uh but he's also a man
and is not you know Divine or son of God
or anything like that doesn't the bible
say that um yes I mean the Bible says
many things yeah but doesn't it say he's
is the Messiah the anointed one says
he's a prophet I'll go over later we
have a ton of like verses from the Bible
calling him a prophet how are we the
enemy and their allies I don't
understand and and and just one more
Point caveat here is like um Jesus e by
ethnicity was he Jewish by ethnicity was
he a Jew he has descended from you know
Isaac okay and Abraham so depending on
your definition not by religion so
ethnic uh what ethnicity was Moses Jesus
what how part of Ben Israel Ben isra
children of Israel children of Israel
right okay so do we say that he was a
Jewish ethnicity can we say it would say
that he's a Jew but e like Beni Israel
like Ben isra children of Israel that is
biological so you come down a certain
line so the prophet Muhammad peace be
upon Him is from ishmail yes and then
there's another line like the children
the sons of Abraham so you have Isaac
and you have ishmail so the from Isaac
you have a long line of prophets Mia
yeah um that lead to like include Moses
include um Jesus include Yahya John yes
um the Baptist but from Ishmael it goes
to the prophet Beast be upon him so
that's that's the lineage like I
wouldn't necessarily use the word Jewish
yeah but my point point is that we from
that lineage are all these great
prophets so now we believe their
followers ones who submitted their will
to God they were Muslim and it it would
be um it would be antithetical to Islam
to go ahead and be anti certain people
because Islam doesn't call us to hate
the certain people because their race
because of you know their color their
skin is that correct absolutely so if we
considered um Juda or Jew to be a race
then um and I do think that it's a race
and it's a religion it's both um but you
can be a Jew and a Muslim because you
are are Jewish ethnically biologically
but you accept Islam in the same way you
can be black Muslim white Muslim Asian
Muslim um you can be Jewish Muslim
that's the point you can be Jewish
Muslim Muslim Jewish yeah so it would be
against Islam to be anti-jewish
anti-semitic absolutely yeah okay we
made that point clear okay so now let's
continue on so uh so stopping there they
stop here one rejects one accepts takes
them to the highest level lowest level
and then from here Muslims we like you
just said we accept him as the Bible
called the prophet of God one of the
five Great prophets according to Islam
and then the final messenger comes
Prophet Muhammad peace and bless be upon
him what what other um things that we
can touch upon that Patrick's asking the
difference between you know this is we
don't have so much time to just spend
all on this but what what else do you
think stands out you hit it so Bingo is
that
absolute pure monotheism you won't find
nothing like it of because you'll find
every religion in what one way or
another worshiping creation and Islam is
the only one that purely calls you to
worship the Creator alone without any
Associates with God absolutely and this
is kind of a misconception that Judaism
is a monotheistic religion um you'll
find a lot of polytheism within the um
Hebrew Bible you'll find a lot of
polytheism also in the talmud um and
this is not commonly known and I had an
entire debate on this issue with a um
Yeshiva graduated Jewish man a Jewish
scholar and we had a debate on it and he
agreed you know you're right there there
is you know this concept of sons of God
in the Hebrew Bible he did didn't he
yeah he acknowledged that he said that
you know there are verses that are
ambiguous um so the argument that I made
is not that Judaism is
polytheistic I made the argument that
you find monotheism and polytheism mixed
in like it's it's ambiguous what um the
Bible is actually saying like is there
just one God or does God have sons does
God have a wife you know these are
things that you find uh mentioned and
referred to in certain verses of the
Bible especially when you go to things
like the Dead Sea Scrolls um you go to
these manuscripts that have been found
of the Hebrew Bible like the Dead Sea
Scrolls and um certain verses are not
like what you find in other versions of
the Bible the like the mastic text which
is what most of the um what Jews follow
today mostly the Matic test but the Dead
Sea Scrolls will have verses that talk
about the sons of God or the Council of
Gods like God is presiding over a
council uh so this is l l is the head
God and then there is a council of gods
and then Yahweh is one within the
Council of gods yeah and then other
versions of the Bible will translate
that as Angels instead of gods but if
you go to the Dead Sea Scrolls for
example and other versions other
manuscripts the word is not Angels the
word is Gods um and there are Scholars
that have studied this and published on
it uh who have studied the Dead Sea
Scrolls for example like Emanuel to is
uh he's in Hebrew
University uh has published books on
this so yeah a lot of people don't know
this about like the manuscripts but then
you go into the talmud and you have the
idea of the
Metatron the Metatron and this is what
is the Metatron like sounds like the
Transformers right but Metatron is
supposed to be like a partner of God and
in certain Jewish Traditions is called
little Yahweh based basically like a
partner to God and other you know Jews
will say no this is an angel the angel
Metatron like but in a lot of the
passages of the talmud the Metatron is
described as being like a standin for
God yeah so this would violate the pure
that's why I always make
the I put pure and absolute in front of
monotheism because truly Islam is the
only way of life that's purely
absolutely mono
this cancels monotheism doesn't it all
these definitely and uh I think everyone
needs to watch this debate work can to
see I think everyone needs to watch this
is between you and a Jewish is he a
rabbi he's an academic he doesn't call
himself a rabbi but he's gone through
that training everyone needs to watch
this I think this is a very civil it's a
it's a very nice educational debate and
uh you're giving this evidence and he's
like yeah you're right Y and the
shocking thing is that according to um
and I asked them this like what if
someone goes and is doing a prayer like
a Jewish prayer but instead of thinking
about God he's thinking about Satan and
like he's going through the motions as a
Jew to worship but instead of worshiping
God in his heart he's thinking about
Satan like Satan worship is this like a
problem and the answer was not really
like it's not it doesn't make you less
of a Jew like the important thing is to
go through the rituals and go through
like the Motions but what you actually
you might might not even believe in God
you might not believe in God but you're
still a practicing Jew that's what
counts like you're going through the
motions without any belief like if you
don't have belief it's like a sin yes
but it's not like how we understand
Islam like you're out of Islam if you
don't believe in God like you can't be a
Muslim and be a and not believe in God
but you can be a atheist not believe in
God and still be a Orthodox Jew and like
there was a clip that I saw of a rabbi
saying yeah and actually the person I
debated acknowledged this that 50% of
rabbis probably don't even believe in
God 50% of rabbis not even like the
common Jewish how is that possible
that's saying like 50% of imams or she
or muties don't believe in God how was
that impossible Muslims can't understand
like what does that even mean and maybe
Christians don't even understand what
that means but in Judaism like that's
the way that their understanding of
belief works like it's not so much the
belief that counts is go is abiding by
the law and and this debate
that this is I mean you're not just
pulling this out of your back pocket no
that's you know that's what the the
Jewish man's name is duvid yeah what I
like what like what people like about
you is that uh you're academic in a
sense that you definitely you stick to
the proofs so you give the evidences you
don't just pull stuff out of your left
right ears or back pocket you get it
yeah exactly tell me um uh before we go
on to the next is it true that madis
actually cuz he was influenced by
Islamic theology that he actually
influenced what we have somewhat of
today of that's pushing them towards
monotheism somewhat is that correct you
guys were discussing abely absolutely so
this mades was living in Andalusia yeah
and uh Jews really thrived under Muslim
Spain and Muslim Spain under Muslim rule
please don't lose your place I just want
to this is very important um if Jews
thrived and Muslims like according to
today's uh maner that's put out there
that Muslims hate Jews how are they
thriving in a society now that was
Muslim powered Ryan how is that even
possible yeah I mean this is a kind of
propaganda against Islam that's not
historically based it's not based on
what the religion actually teaches so
yeah so continue on please yeah so mades
was in the 10th or 11th century in
Andalucia and he's considered to be the
greatest scholar of Jewish law and also
Theologian within Judaism so you know an
analog would be like Imam Abu hanifah in
Islam or you know Imam Ahmed so he's a
really big deal and he you know if you
see a like portraits of him uh that
you'll find in Jewish books he has like
a um like a turban and a beard he looks
like a Muslim but that's the influence
of the Muslim Spain dominant Muslim
Spain
and um he is the one that kind of really
tries to systematize Jewish theology
really um focusing on well what does it
mean to actually believe in God what are
the attributes of God so he's taking
that from Muslim theologians and he also
is very insistent on the concept of uh
monotheism as well that's something else
that he's getting from Muslims because
if you look at the talmud or you look at
even the Torah you look at some of these
previous Jewish communities they're as I
mentioned before ambiguous about well is
there just one God that you or there's
like the concept of Thou shalt not take
any other gods before me like this
statement that we find in the Bible but
what does that exactly mean does that
mean that you worship God and there is
no other God other than almighty God
almighty or does it mean there's God and
then there's other gods but you only
worship one God and if you worship other
gods that exist then God will get
jealous like that's the ambiguity in the
Bible like is it actually monotheism or
is it more like henotheism where that
the henotheism means that there's not
just one God there's many gods but you
only worship one God that's very
distinct from Islam Islam says that no
there's one God there is no other God
and you only worship that one period
period done finished yeah so the
evolution of Judaism is that they have
this kind of ambiguity henotheism bism
which is why I mentioned Metatron like
as a co-partner with God you have uh
henotheism polytheism and then as
there's more Muslim influence up to
mades in the 11th century then they get
monotheistic and express things in a
very Islamic way so the misconception
that Judaism is like the oldest religion
um or Judaism is like the big the father
and then Christianity and uh Islam are
like the little brothers or whatever
these are the kinds of things that are
said this is false like Islam is
actually the older religion because it
influenced the Theology of
Judaism so um I really feel like if
people sit through this they um in
themselves they're they you know they're
seeking for guidance Patrick M David one
of the persons who were addressing here
and the pastor if anybody's sincere
you're going to learn a lot and I think
at the end they might even take their
shahada man this is deep man if they uh
cuz this this makes sense you don't have
to do a lot of mental gymnastics worship
one and only one God be morally upright
that's the message straightforward to
the point let's get to the next one
Muslims believe that Jesus was a very
good prophet and a typical devout Muslim
has far more respect for Jesus than a
typical American because a devout Muslim
believes that Jesus was born of a virgin
lived a sinless life and because he was
such a good Prophet God would never
allow him to die on the cross so he took
him to heaven so the cross and the
resurrection are wiped out but a devout
Muslim believe that Jesus is going to
return a second time so they believe in
Jesus as a good Prophet repeatedly in
the Quran Muhammad says Jesus is not God
there's a lot here to unpackage he talks
about Muhammad says in the Quran it's
not Muhammad so uh that Muhammad is
writing in the Quran let's get this out
of the way that it's not they does he
really think Muhammad peace be upon his
rightness isn't it that Prophet Muhammad
it was known amongst his people he could
not read or write and uh is Allah saying
in the Quran that this would have given
them something to talk about right but
it's a it's a proven historical fact
that he could not read or write let's
let's touch upon that yeah there's um
the claim that he could not read or
write um that we believe but you can
actually go even beyond the testimony of
Muslims um because there there's this
thing called linguistic forensics you
gave me that study before yeah yeah so
that's you know we people can go to that
episode I don't know if we talked about
on the uh show but to explain it like
you can there's this whole field where
you analyze a person's language yes and
you can get Clues to who is the actual
speaker um based on the way that they
write and this is important for like
finding kidnappers for example cuz
kidnappers will send a letter like okay
who is this kidnapper he has all his
demands uh like I want this Ransom I
want this and that if you want your
loved one back let's analyze the police
can analyze that letter letter and
compare it to the writing of well is
this like maybe a family member is this
someone in the community we compare the
writing and we use this forensic
analysis to be able to tell like who is
the author of this letter but you can
apply that to religious texts and they
have done this um in one stud at least
one study where they look at the
language of the Quran and they compare
it to the language of
Hadith and the linguistic analysis the
forensic analysis proves that these
texts were not written by the same
person they could not have been written
by the same person and what's
interesting about the forensic analysis
that if you try to fake it okay like
imagine I'm trying to fake not being
Daniel and I write you a letter like I'm
trying to intimidate Eddie and I'm
saying like do this this and that and
then you're like hm you compare what I
wrote with my writings like my book or
whatever and you see okay the forensic
analysis says that this is written by
Daniel right this is written by Daniel
and we can tell because of these clues
in the language like how he the words
that he uses the length of the sentences
his uh tone or whatever um so even if
you're trying to fake it the analysis
can uh sniff out the faker but with the
Quran and with Hadith the Hadith are the
statements of the Prophet Muhammad peace
be upon him uh they cannot be they're
not the same speaker so it could
couldn't have been the prophet Muhammad
Beast be upon him then who else would
did actually write the Quran and you
know we know that it's Allah it's God
almighty this is profound man I mean
where can people look this up again uh
the name of the study I have to look up
but if you do like uh linguistic
analysis Quran and Hadith if you Google
that it should come up I want people to
understand here so you have the verbatim
words of God Almighty the Creator Allah
this is the Quran compiled over 23 years
memorized the hearts this is what what
so profound it's not it's just not the
it's the oral tradition of it's and then
compiled into a book the Quran but
really what's fascinating is the way
that it was preserved through the oral
Traditions correct exactly so now we
have this and this is the speech of God
Almighty and now you have the Hadith
right the authentic chain of narrations
like no other is it true that if you
want to quote something from Abraham
Lincoln George Washington if you put
that scrutiny as we have the science of
Hadith the prophet Muhammad's grading of
um what he said authentic it's uh weak
and you made an example before like weak
even in Islam it's like you know it's
like you would consider football players
or something um the backup football how
did you make that example you know what
I'm talking about that that's even
comparing it to trying to figure out did
Abraham Lincoln actually say that do we
have that kind of would they fail
comparing yeah so if we like bring up
the take the standards of Hadith and
apply it to a speech by Abraham Lincoln
or George Washington they would be
considered like fabricated I'm man I
think this is profound man yeah yeah so
so now okay moving on to NE but I just
find this fascinating so this analysis
this science is telling us that this is
not problem Muhammad basically wrri in
the Quran right there this Modern Day
science this what you're saying is this
is not his speech because his speech is
over here right right amazing this is
and people can even like test it
themselves like that analysis clinches
it because it's like a computer-based
comparison like using regression model
Etc but anyone who does is not expert in
computers can go and read Hadith and be
able to tell immediately like the
language is not even the translation
it's not like like the Quran the Quran
is so unique and the Quran is not like
any literature uh you don't have to be a
master in Arabic just read like one
chapter of the Quran like s Bak for
example right at the beginning of the
second chapter and try to compare is
there any like novel like this is there
any poetry like this is there any like
short story like this is there any
non-fiction story or a non-fiction work
like this it's not comparable to any
kind of human work like this is just not
how a human being thinks and talks like
there are many there are countless works
of philosophy and thinking about human
life and the meaning of it all and none
of it is like the Quran uh and that's
just a clear fact for anyone who picks
up the Quran read it and ask yourself
like this did a man write this like is
this a the way that a man thinks or is
this like the Divine speech that is
coming to us uh in a unique way and we
need to accept that so everyone should
ask themselves who is not a Muslim um
can you identify any kind of work of
literature that is comparable to this or
philosophy or
whatever uh before we go on to the next
point I think people just in themselves
that are watching this you know
sincerity um clearing out it within
themselves asking the Creator for
guidance guide me if these two guys
these two um whatever you want to call
us if this is the truth that they're
speaking let me accept it right I mean
asking your creator in your heart the
one who created Jesus for guidance so
now let's move on in the New Testament
he says there's eyewitnesses who saw and
heard Jesus
insisting that Jesus claim to be God by
his own words and actions so he's saying
the companions the Disciples of Jesus
now because here he lists some good
things about you know our beliefs he's
said that he's a messiah he's a prophet
Etc he's going to come back and all this
is in line with Islam we believe this
but then he said but in the New
Testament it's clear that his companions
and his words and actions are stating
otherwise that he's Divine now what do
you have to say about that well I think
that there is
um this kind of evolution in Christ uh
christology within the New Testament and
the gospels like when you go from Mark
to John like there seems to be an
evolution of the understanding of who
Jesus was um was he more like a teacher
Prophet or more like the Son of God and
as because John is the later gospel um
compared to Mark which is the earlier
one so there are more
statements that can be taken as Jesus uh
declaring himself to be God in John as
opposed to Mark or Matthew and Luke um
so that's I'm not of the position that
oh the Bible is clearly monotheistic and
Jesus never claims to be God in the
Bible I think that yeah well there seems
to be statements there that are uh indic
Jesus indicating that he is God
obviously I think those are fabric
ations and Mis attributions to Jesus
lying against Jesus um but I think it's
much harder for Muslims to try to argue
about what uh Christians themselves
interpret from the Bible because they
don't really have a consistent inter
like interpretive framework to extract
meaning from the Bible in the first
place uh compared to Muslims um so
that's Point number one that I'd make
Point number two I would make is that
the idea of
um being concerned with eyewitnesses
like is this a joke because um what
about Paul Paul never met Jesus and
while Jesus was alive um Paul claims to
have had a vision so someone who claims
to have had a vision like anyone can
claim to have a vision um so how are we
supposed to take this claim to
eyewitnesses
seriously um when you also believe in
Paul and this Pauline Christianity when
Paul had disagreements with the actual
students the actual Disciples of Jesus
like Peter there was a well-known
disagreement between Peter and Paul so I
don't really take this claim that oh
he's we take eyewitness testimony as so
important if that were the case if
Christians really took eyewitness
testimony seriously they would
prioritize the disciples who actually
were living with Jesus and were with him
physically as opposed to Paul who just
had a vision and he claimed I mean he
just claimed to have a
vision uh you mentioned the the evolving
now that happened and then you took it
from the the gospel of Mark yeah Gospel
of Mark all the way to John now if you I
mean a simple just um thing for people
to do is um if you have the Red Letter
Bible they say this is like the words of
Jesus red letters right but in there
it's pretty clear there's nothing of
that's pointing to him being Divine is
there there something I miss or is there
anything that from the red letters that
can be construed that he's God I mean we
can look at certain verses that they'll
point to that the Christians will point
to as oh well this is the Trinity this
is Jesus claiming to be God there are
these verses like I don't haven't
memorized them off the top of my head um
but I don't know you think that there is
no such verse like that uh if you how
help people understand who they don't
know between explicit and implicit the
difference now when you take something
that's ambiguous nebulous and compared
to something that's now explicit like
you know like for instance uh hero
Israel the Lord thy God is one you can't
miss that right one God that's it and
that's the opportunity for now someone
to come along and ask Jesus a question
about Divinity and he's he's pointing to
just one God three in one is not
included and all these other things the
theology this is perfect timing right
matching up with Moses's uh statement
same thing hero is are the Lord I God is
one Muhammad peace be upon Him comes 600
years later worship one God one God
alone it's it all lines up you know yeah
but there are these statements that
let's say they're ambiguous at best um
we don't want the entire case for Islam
to rely on the interpretation of these
ambiguous verses I got you so um this is
something that um Jake um said um
because I asked him this question and
Jake knows a lot more about debating
Christianity than I do so you know it
doesn't really matter if every single
page of the Bible says Jesus Is God
doesn't really matter that doesn't make
it true and it doesn't make it coherent
it doesn't make it like something that
you should believe yeah like there could
be Christians in the future um because
we know that the Bible has been
distorted over time and the proof is
right there in the pudding go to like a
bookstore and see how many different
versions of the Bible you can by and
it's not like small differences here and
there like in language as some of these
pastors will claim they'll claim that oh
there's this like it's all based on the
same Greek no it's not like there are
major differences we already mentioned
like the difference between Dead Sea
Scrolls versus mastic text versus The
Samaritan pentat etc etc so there are
big differences in the version of the
Bible that means that it's been
distorted like there's been some hand at
play and in the future who's to say that
there won't be more Distortion like in a
hundred years where they put more
explicitly Jesus comes and says I am the
god and the Trinity is true and like
they could just distort the book to say
anything that they want but it's still
like that's the beauty of Islam like we
have the F we have this kind of sense of
to and we can evaluate things rationally
like God has given us the rational
ability to think think like well does
this make sense can a man be a man and
simultaneously be God like how does that
make sense and how is there three in one
but they're also they're each
individually God uh but they're separate
but they're the same like so this is the
kind of rational faculty that we all
have our at our disposal that's like the
stronger case for this makes no sense
like why would Jesus claim something
that's irrational that makes no sense U
if we just make it a question of like
well does this verse really say that
Jesus is claiming that he's God it's
ambiguous and you know that we have a
much stronger case than that uh that's
that's an important Point here because I
usually with my years of of whatever you
want to call experience you know talking
to um Christians out of love sincere
genuine love wanting the best for them
and whatnot and just trying to bring
these things to light and then going
back and forth and whatnot um I got to a
point I'm like hold on if this was
brought into a court of law if you're
trying to bring evidence and you
brought uh the judge calls and says who
are your eyewitnesses and you're like
okay Matthew Mark Luke but hold on the
the books are not even these are Q you
know meaning that they're not even
they're ambiguous authors they're not
even who they're attributed to and this
is not us or you or me making this up
this is like when you go to a seminary
School uh Christian universities when
they dig deep into textual criticism
this is what you find out is that right
the average lay how probably 90% or more
of Christ 99% of Christians think
actually Matthew Mark Luke and John
actually wrote these books but they
didn't and this is no don't like hate
this way now it's just we're just
bringing this to light that Christian
Scholars like Bruce mexer and others who
are the theologians academics and areas
they bring this to light
no yeah imagine like you can put it like
a comparison with Islam yeah like
imagine if all we had from the Quran was
these texts attributed to you know
Abdullah and Bal and Kim and we don't
know who they actually are we just know
Bal we know Abdullah we just know their
names we don't know actually who they
are and their books that they have that
supposed to have like the Revelation
that are just they come onto the scene
150 years to 200 years after the prophet
s wasam after the prophet Muhammad and
we don't have like a full like mus it's
like just a fragment like a credit card
size fragment 150 years after the
prophet and by the way um there's like
all these different versions that have
major differences that are theologically
significant um because you know there's
just all this variation and by the way
the book is not in these books from Bal
and Abdullah and Kim and yah say they're
not in Arabic they're like in a language
that the prophet wasam never
spoke that's basically what Christianity
is that's basically what the Bible is
because Greek is not what Jesus spoke he
spoke Aramaic but the gospels are in
Greek you know the original is in Greek
and then you have uh the earliest
manuscripts are just credit card-sized
fragments
and they are only dating back to 100 to
150 years after
Jesus um and then you have like all
these other variations yeah so is this
pastor I I um in another video I did I
mean I called out um because he gets
into the Quran and he just Brantly lies
on a lot of things is he but he's not an
expert in the Quran and he he should be
coming to us and looking to um find the
truth through Muslim academics Scholars
but here he's somebody who knows his
Bible and he's telling Patrick Ben David
uh when it gets into versions of the
Bible uh just a clear lie as the
ignorant I think he he would know this
he's saying the only we we don't have
our versions are just from the thou thus
they translated into the Modern English
that's a version that's considered a
version that's I mean that's crazy is he
lying yeah that's a pure lie like um I
can give you an example here so in Mark
10:18 yeah um this is Jesus speaking why
do you call me good no one as good but
God Alone yes so that statement in Mark
10 it seems to indicate that Jesus is
not God right because he's saying why do
you call me good only God is good
meaning I'm not God this is one of those
uh verses that are more clear now you
can yeah more clear doesn't need much uh
uh interpretation in there it's yeah
it's very straightforward yeah so then
this gets slightly changed in Matthew
and when we read Matthew it says why do
you ask me about what is good uh one
there is who is good this is uh Matthew
19:17 so that's not as clear like
basically Matthew is taking that's the
thing about the gospels is that they
mirror each other and they sometimes are
verbatim um EX exactly the same in their
verses but this verse has been slightly
changed like jesus' statement has been
slightly changed from you know why do
you call me good no one is good but God
Alone to Matthew's version which is why
do you ask me about what is good yeah
right so it's still possible in
according to this statement that okay
Jesus Is God so maybe Matthew uh whoever
actually wrote the Gospel of Matthew was
uncomfortable with the theology in Mark
and changed the versus in order to get a
more trinitarian
Theology and we see the same thing in uh
Luke and John as well um so these
changes are major changes between the
Gospels because they're also like dated
like Mark Matthew Luke and John they're
dated that Mark is the older
gospel um so these this Evolution
happens and these are like very
significant
differences um and what we find between
the Gospels there's nothing like that in
the Quran there's nothing comparable to
that in the Quran how about um just
another example we'll move on to the
next thing is where you have the RSV
revised Standard Version talking about
what's predominant now predominantly
read the King James version having major
major defects in it you know about that
right so that's now these are two
different versions because what's in the
RSV they took out what was was in the
King James they threw these vers P these
are like chunks and chunks are thrown
out it's not in this Bible and this is
accredited to like I don't know how many
top uh Scholars of the highest
denomination and they're saying these
are Christian Scholars and they're
saying that has major defects yeah so
how do you it goes back to what I was
saying earlier you're in the court of
law the evidence has major defects in it
that's is that thrown out so no
eyewitnesses actually who um are
attributed to these books they're there
there's it's ananymous Witnesses and
then you have major errors how how does
that stand up I don't get it yeah
there's just no Christian that can
really debate a Muslim on this um and
that's what we see like Christian
apologists run away from a debate on the
preservation of the Bible because they
can't argue it they have to get to this
position where they say look the Bible
is really not supposed to be taken
literally
um the Bible is not like the Quran in
that we take our entire theology from
the Bible um we have the Holy Spirit
like Revelation is Progressive like well
we have churches that come uh these
ecclesiastical councils and the Holy
Spirit guides them to the correct
doctrines so our doctrines are not fully
found in the Bible um in like an
explicit way um because that's not like
that's just the inspired word of God um
we have a progressive theology with the
churches that come later um a like the
you know Council of NAA for example like
that's coming later and that's also
Revelation that we're getting from the
holy spirit so they don't have the same
they have to like
basically um get away from Bible like
solo scriptura basically isn't isn't
councila it's still dualism it's not
even Trinity yet one of the councils
it's still at only two Gods instead of
one but one is that Council in the then
later it came to the TR Trinity was
formulated and The Trinity comes into
play in the Council of NAA um but there
were Christian sects that early
Christian sects that disagreed yeah with
um the Council of NAA but they're
basically deemed heterodox like they're
Heretics um you have the ebionites
marianites you have you know other they
didn't believe in Trinity they believed
in one God kind of like what we believe
yeah so there's questions of what is the
nature of God there's a question about
the law like are we supposed to still
follow the letter of the law um
especially when uh Jesus says in one of
the gospels in Matthew I believe that or
Luke that I did not come to change the
law yeah uh every part of the law will
be um implemented so that that's a
debate like the Pauline Christianity
says that no like this is a new covenant
so things like don't eat pork um get
circumcised like those don't Mosaic claw
doesn't apply anymore because we have a
new covenant with Jesus that's a major
theological uh debate and uh it's the
textual uh problems like the variation
in the Bible that creates this kind of
ambiguity within Christianity and you
have all these different sects but in
Islam we don't have this kind of yeah
disagreement like you have different
schools of thought um you do have Shia
Sunni for example uh but the debate in
Shia Sunni is not like does God have a
son or are we supposed to follow the
prophet peace be upon him in the way
that we live life like those kinds of
major theological issues are are settled
like and they're am uh unambiguous
between Shia and Sunni for example or
even within the schools of thought
Within sunnism
um that level of theological dispute and
debate that Christianity has experienced
does not ex exist in Islam and it's
mainly because the Quran is so clear and
it's preserved and it's unambiguous
that's what sets Islam apart from
Christianity or even Judaism let's go on
to the next clip here with the pastor on
the Patrick B David pbd podcast the fact
that one of the five pillars of Islam is
give arms to the poor I respect that
obviously Jesus taught that I appreciate
that Muhammad had a very high view of
Jesus as a good good Prophet but here's
some of the problems with it the Miracle
of Islam is not a person it's a book the
Quran in order to know that Revelation
the clear revelation of God the Quran
best you have to learn Arabic in other
words God is revealing himself in Arabic
most clearly second difference is
Muhammad came with a sword and let's be
honest it was not pretty for North
Africa and for Europe with the Muslims
did okay again a lot to unpackage here
where do we start where do we start you
want to go from the back to the
beginning he says I have a lot of
respect he say a lot of respect for
Islam he likes zakat so the Five Pillars
for people don't know you have the
pillar number one two 3 four five
worshiping one and only one God the
testimony the shahada declaring that
there's nothing worthy of worship except
the creator of the heavens and earth
Allah and Muhammad is the messenger
peace be upon this would automatically
include all the preceding Messengers
including Jesus praying five times a day
minimum you can pray more but five
mandatory prayers the zakat is the third
pillar now he likes that and he says
that uh he likes that um Jesus taught
that Muhammad had a great view that
muhammmad had a great view of Jesus as a
prophet but uh and then he talks about
the Quran only being limited to the
miracle being an Arabic you don't get
the benefit there what yeah I don't
really understand the point like the
Bible is in either Hebrew or Greek Old
and New Testament so
why do you have a problem like with how
can the book be in like every language
that humans speak so that's um kind of a
illegitimate criticism um also like this
idea that God has sacrificed
himself um I never understand this like
Nei from Christians like what so like
we're God loves Humanity so he
sacrifices himself for everybody but the
idea of a
sacrifice is you have to lose lose
something right if you if I sacrifice my
life for you know someone then I'm
giving up my life for someone else um
and that is like a very permanent type
of thing like that's what makes the
sacrifice so um meaningful and powerful
and such an huge expression of love I'm
giving up my own life for someone else
but God is God all powerful and all
knowing
and you know has no beginning and end
and so God can God
sacrifice it doesn't really make sense
how God is sacrificing anything uh when
he's not dead right God is ever living
so this is some like the idea of
sacrifice doesn't make doesn't translate
to a all powerful being uh who can
control everything and doesn't die um so
that's Point number one um also he said
that like well Islam focuses on the book
um which is not exactly correct like
Islam focuses on Allah the Creator and
the book The Quran is his Revelation and
we we follow the book because we love
God and we want to worship him alone and
how do we worship Him how do we live
well we follow the prophet Muhammad
peace be upon him we follow his Sunnah
his way of life and that's you know more
of a correct understanding of what Islam
is um as opposed to the way he put it
like we just focus on the book um not
which is not to say that the Quran isn't
you know so Central and so important and
then should we get into what he's saying
about the prophet uh Muhammad being
bringing the sword yes uh again I don't
understand how Christians can have this
kind of uh critique of the Prophet
Muhammad s alai wasallam why because you
have many there's many reasons one is um
first of all Jesus does say that he's
come with the sword uh that's one of the
verses in the Bible actually um and then
not that I came to bring peace but a
sword exactly so this is maybe you can
put on the screen uh for the viewers so
that's in the Bible also even without
that verse uh in the Bible you have uh
Jesus coming down in the Book of
Revelations with the sword like he's
going to when he returns it's not going
to be very peaceful it's going to be uh
with the sword that's Point number two
number three you have many prophets in
the bible who car carried a sword and uh
went to battle and committed genocide
actually uh you have figures like Moses
obviously we don't we don't claim that
the prophets committed genocide but
that's what the Bible is attributing to
them so you have uh Moses you have
Joshua you have David you have uh
Solomon for example so they are still
considered to be
prophets going to battle going to war
does not disqualify them from being
considered Prophet so why does the
prophet Muhammad gets dis disqualified
by Christians because he carried a sword
that doesn't really add up um also when
you talk about carrying a
sword um Jesus also implicitly endorses
carrying a sword why because he says
render under unto Caesar what is
Caesar's MH so if you Render unto Caesar
what is Caesar's guess what Caesar was
carrying a sword Caesar uh and the
Romans they were going to war they were
going to battle and Jesus says Render
unto Caesar what is Caesar's where does
Jesus say that war is bad where does
Jesus say that no one should ever engage
in any kind of war no one should engage
in any kind of battle that's not
anywhere in the teachings of Jesus um
this is something that has just been
added by later Christians uh because of
the influence of the Enlightenment uh in
the uh 18th and 19th century um
Christianity was never a pacifist
religion so but implicitly when Jesus
says Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's
according to the Bible Well Caesar also
committed Wars and also uh sent troops
to battle Etc so why should we think
that Jesus would have had a problem with
Muhammad peace be upon him uh engaging
in battle so that's Point number four or
five at this point but I have I have
even more that I've listed here tell me
uh before you go on how many people in
one shot when Moses peace be upon him
who we love and rever is again another
Mighty messenger and Prophet when he
came down when they found um them
worshiping the Cal I mean in the Bible
how many in one shot I think it was like
3,000 were executed is that correct yep
the I'm not sure about the exact number
but yeah he was um not only executing
Israelites he was also
leading them to battle um he was uh also
ordering them to not leave anything
living that breathes to wipe out you
know that's all there in numbers in
Deuteronomy I mean go ahead continue on
with your other yeah so the other point
that I want to make is that if the
standard is being peaceful if that's
like the you know the best people or the
most peaceful people well guess what you
have figures that are even more peaceful
than Jesus um in history because you
have for example the founder of jism
which is a a religion out of India and
um the founder is mahavira and this is
someone who said that has this principle
of Aima which means do not harm anything
do not harm an animal do not harm an
insect do not harm a fly and he's um so
extreme in this kind of no harm arm
principle that Janes are supposed to put
a covering over their mouth like a mask
wherever they go to prevent a fly from
accidentally going into your mouth
because then you'll harm a fly you're
supposed to carry a broom in front of
you to like sweep when you're walking so
you don't you don't accidentally step on
an insect um that's like the level of
avoiding harm that they have so that's
much more peaceful than anything that
Jesus taught so would Christians say
that MAV is better than Jesus because
mahavir is more peaceful like that kind
of standard that whoever is the most
peaceful is the best like if you take
that standard then Jesus wouldn't even
be the best person uh in history so
that's and then one other final point is
that you need a sword to establish
justice like we can't fail to appreciate
that like you have to have a sword to
establish justice like you have to have
Law and Order order how do you establish
Law and Order for your Society for the
world like people have to uh there's a
lot of bad people in the world there's a
lot of unjust people there are a lot of
tyrants how do you combat The Tyranny
how do you combat the Injustice it
requires force it requires sometimes
going to war it sometimes requires
having a sword and that's what the
prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was
doing that's what other prophets did
before him so if Jesus message allegedly
is that oh you should not ever pick up a
sword you should just turn the other
cheek in all cases then you're going to
leave the entire world to the tyrants
and those who are unjust those who do
resort to
violence and I don't think that that's
what Jesus intended or meant um I think
that the and that's not how Christians
historically interpreted Jesus as a
pacifist this is like a modern
Distortion of Christianity that this
pastor is uh regurgitating because it's
impossible to not have a sword you have
to establish justice and that sometimes
unfortunately requires Force MH uh I
want to touch upon this uh point he kept
mentioning some good things and he talks
about how Prophet muhammmad had a great
view of Jesus being a prophet now with
Christians we're in line with so many
things um and you have people who are
living in the same house and Democrat
Republican and they're like totally
opposite spectrums you know one is more
liberal the other conservative and it's
a mess in the house but we actually we
can agree on so many things Family
Values you point this out and you did
when you were on the Patrick B David
show didn't you you talked about these
similarities that we have and we need to
work towards these and one of these
things that specifically I want to focus
on is this term profit and I'm just
going to give some references from the
Bible itself because if you want to win
us over also to your side to worship
Jesus then you're not going to win us
over by attacking us with all sorts of
you see the kind of attacks that come
towards Muslims in Islam right uh but
we're just substantiating what's
actually in the Bible but it's
unfortunate many don't even read the
Bible but when you open up from here
Jesus is called a prophet in the Bible
many times both by other people and
Jesus himself in the Bible Jesus Christ
is referred to as a Prophet by others
and also alluded to himself in multiple
places for example Mark 6:4 a prophet is
not without honor except in his hometown
and among his relatives and his
household in John 6:14 it says when the
people saw the sign that he had done
they said so now Jesus I mean he did
some signs a miracle right they say oh
that's God no they're saying this is
indeed a prophet who is to come into the
world uh next one Matthew 2111 the crowd
calls Jesus the prophet Jesus from
Nazareth Galilee in John 4:19 a woman
Samaria tells Jesus sir I see you as a
prophet Luke 24:19 the things about
Jesus The Man from Nazareth they replied
he was a mighty prophet of God who
performed Miracles and wonders his words
were more powerful and he had a great
favor with God and the people we can go
on and on there's so many of these so
we're we're agreeing with this would you
I mean I don't want to speak for you you
but do you agree with that this the
Bible is saying he's a prophet we're
saying he's a prophet there's also
verses in essence of time that actually
call him a servant of God say he's a
servant like Prophet Muhammad was a
servant God he's a prophet of God why
are we the
enemy a question but I I don't get it
we're confirming we got all these
commonalities family morality all a lot
of the things they've lost we're we're
actually have it here then come get it
but then here we're saying what the
Bible saying he's a prophet and these
other verses now that are somehow
ambiguous nebulous it's not proof it's
doesn't it doesn't hold weight and then
the the fitra what we talk about I know
when they talk about God Jesus being God
and divine I know that that innate
nature rejects this what do you think
yeah I think that a lot of the animosity
has to be created like it's just man
manufactured animosity against Islam um
because it just doesn't flow organically
based on on you know what Muslims
actually believe in what Islam actually
teaches like is Islam is the most Pro
Christ religion Pro Christ religion
Islam go ahead uh clip this one guys
Islam is the most Pro Christ Christ
Islam is the most Pro pro- Christ
religion exactly so um I mean CH we can
debate Christians and they'll claim to
be the most Pro Christ but fine like
maybe if they even if we can see SE
you're first place and we're second
place imagine we're still far ahead of
any other religion in our love for Jesus
Christ so how can we be like the most
bitter enemy uh for Christians to have
it just doesn't make sense I had a
Christian on and this another topic I
just want to touch upon this uh she's
from if americon new.org and she said
when I asked her this I said hey do you
have a problem when we say Jesus peace
be upon him she said no she start
laughing um and then she said actually
the per people that do and the ones who
did create this friction between Muslims
and Christians was this hate industry
and she she actually lists you know many
of these people that I won't even
mention her name who actually came after
you not too long ago yeah yeah it's
these
organizations yeah Zionist organizations
especially yeah yeah hate Inc and um you
have they manufactured this hate and
fear and misunderstanding deliberately
to separate Muslims and Christians is
that right yeah exactly there's a lot
lot of propaganda that has been
generated by fund with millions of
dollars of funding over the past two
decades uh but even before like uh the
past 20 years there's been a lot of um
this propaganda directed against Muslims
because it's
politically um oriented or as
politically motivated rather um you want
wars in the Middle East you want the US
to continually fight these wars on
behalf of Israel in order order to
weaken the Muslim world uh keep the
Muslim World divided so you have to
generate hate for Muslims to justify
going there and bombing them uh going
there and invading and occupying how do
you how do you get the public to support
these NeverEnding wars in the Middle
East well you have to get the people to
hate Muslims and view them as inhuman
barbaric demons and you have media that
can do that job for you um you have some
of these mega church pastors who also
will go and preach to their thousands
and thousands of followers that Islam is
a religion of evil it's a satanic
religion blah blah blah and they just
lie and they distort and so many
Christians Unfortunately they don't hear
the truth about what Muslims actually
believe and that's the amazing work that
you've been doing over the years many
years mashallah so um but yeah it's big
money is behind this money follow the
money yeah um so tell me uh before we go
to the next clips here the pbd podcast
uh it's interesting to see people you
also spoke about this uh it's actually
nice to see Carl tuckerson am I saying
his name right Tucker Carlson Tucker
Carlson sorry Tucker uh he actually had
a Christian on and they were talking
about because this is one of the root
causes for this is this and it's again
interesting to see Tucker talking about
this the scoffield Bible and
dispensationalism going to this uh John
Nelson Derby funded by I think it's the
rosch it gets deep man and then what
happens from there this con artist
scoffield spend time in jail gets out he
gets his DD conveniently right and he's
preaching these end time prophecies and
all this stuff he gets funded by this
group and they push out UK press they
take him over there fancy clubs and
whatnot and he's got he's making the
money now and they start pushing into
these churches univers for free the
scoffield reference Bible and in there
at the bottom in the footnotes is
connecting these verses
passages uh to this modern State that's
committing what's happening today so
this is and to see see him talking about
it shows that more more Christians are
seeing the this deception that's
programming that's happened how they've
been lied to yeah a lot of Christians
are waking up
because um their Doctrine has just been
changed yeah like not like Scofield
bible maybe that's more relevant to
Protestants but even the Catholic church
has changed its Doctrine um um from
Vatican 2 basically a council that
occurred in the 1960s where they
accepted Jews as being um you don't have
to accept Jesus to be saved like prior
to that you know Jews were characterized
in very negative ways in the New
Testament you know um the New Testament
is considered
anti-semitic um but there was this huge
push uh to combat that um by wealthy
Jews in the 20th century and so they had
the Scofield bible they had Vatican 2 to
change Catholic Doctrine to say that
well even Jews can be saved while
rejecting Jesus Christ like that was a
huge change dispensationalism instead of
supersessionism um which means that
Jesus doesn't cancel out the old um
Covenant like Jews are still the chosen
ones the chosen people of God whereas
the Catholic theology has always been
their doctrine that no the Christians
are the chosen of God chosen people of
God not the Jews because Jews rejected
Christ but that was overturned uh in
Vatican 2 so what's behind this a lot of
big money a lot of lobbying a lot of
distortion and
lies um and it's connected to Islam
because the same kind of lies that they
have made about their own tradition
their own Bible they've also directed
against Islam Muslims Quran and the
prophet Muhammad peace be let's go to
the next clip here Joseph Smith nice guy
in many ways but boy oh boy did he ever
twist some of the teachings of Christ
not the least of which is
polygamy I mean you can't read the Bible
and walk away saying polygamy is good
you're a specialist here in this area
also
please I'm the specialist okay
you've covered this a lot all right you
you've you've been thrown this uh your
way a lot is that right they try to use
this attack but it's interesting here
he's talking about the Mormons but uh we
I think we should call him out because
this is something that how can he he
what he says I mean is this a factual
statement that um you cannot you can't
read the Bible and walk away saying that
it's okay uh to supporting polygyny
actually not po polygyny yeah he says
that the Bible is not saying that
polygyny is good but the Bible doesn't
say it's bad either um it's not really
um condemned in in the Old Testament as
some kind of moral evil um so where
where are you getting this kind of
sentiment from it's coming from like
later changes later additions and the
church but um yeah I think that polygyny
is something that is practiced if you
look at societ IES throughout history
93% of societies practice polygyny like
one man multiple wives um this is also
something that is part of human nature
um the people it doesn't mean that when
you have a polygynous society like
Muslim societies are polygynous or even
Mormons um it doesn't mean that every
single man has multiple wives um some
men just don't prefer to have multiple
wives for example um or they don't have
the means for multiple mple wives but
what polygyny means is that the the men
who are more capable they are higher
status maybe they're more wealthy they
have the means um and they can support
multiple wives and multiple families
then they uh will practice that and the
thing about American society or many of
these Christian societies they're not
really monogamous in the sense that
every man is a faithful committed
husband you have what is um acceptable
cheating it is is it it is expected and
accepted that the highest status men
like the movie stars or the athletes
they will have what are called side
chicks they'll have side pieces what do
the Italians call them Italians uh I
don't know yeah I forgot that they have
a word where the wife will let the
husband you know they they all have a
Gula or something on the side oh I don't
know
but yeah so that it's like MAF the mafia
when they Mafia films you know they they
all had their side chick you know it was
known it was just part of the known yeah
it's part of the culture so that in
wider American culture like that's
accepted like if you are a millionaire a
multi-millionaire whatever or a
celebrity yeah of course he has his side
piece even the even the most Cher
cherished uh American figures like
Michael Jordan is known like he had his
uh side pieces not just one or every
city that he went to he had his uh
people like we're in Chicago right so we
have to talk about Michael Jordan but uh
yeah this is something that or the
groupes that go to these concerts that
go to and they're just waiting for the
rock star or the rapper or whoever to
get with him like this is something that
is just part of the culture it's
expected but Islam says no like this is
not right like you can't just be with a
woman use her and then discard her like
it has to be through marriage like you
know what if she gets pregnant what if
their children those children need a
father they need to know who their
father is it has to be everything has to
be through marriage and that's the
beauty of Islam that it acknowledges
that okay this is human nature and it
regulates it in the proper and most
beautiful way if you take out that if
you take out that ability to get married
to a second or third wife then you get
this adultery you get these this
cheating the side pieces this degenerate
culture that unfortunately many in the
west suffer from so the West needs
polygyny they need I mean they're
actually practicing unlawful polygyny if
you look at it generate form of it yeah
degenerate form of it they're actually
like I've hear hear this a lot I mean
just just uh not too long I'm talking to
someone and he's telling me he has a
friend this is non-muslim and he has a
friend
by the way he's actually a Jewish guy
and then he actually um he's married but
he got some other lady pregnant he's
happy he's got the child but it's I mean
the door is not open there so he's doing
it unlawfully meaning like it's not
pleasing to God right where Islam gives
you the the opening if you're having
high value man like let's say people who
are out there whatever you want to
classify as a high value man got a lot
of money car status whatnot I don't
think I mean we can play this game and
pretend like he's dedicated to his wife
but he's proba got a Handler here maybe
he's got someone like um I don't know
I'm just guess Adam like the guy from
the co-host right I'm not talking about
Patrick but let's say you got Adam Adam
was a
nightclub I mean if you got someone like
that he's feeding you these women right
you're doing stuff or maybe you got a
understanding with your wife who you
took on say look don't ask questions
this is how I am I'm going to calm down
and she's like just don't bring it to me
they make up this understanding this is
the reality it's how it happens yeah
it's um disturbing and it's so common
like why do we see the major
institutions or even centers of
prostitution in the west like in these
Christian
societies um prostitution becomes
something necessary because a lot of
these guys need an outlet and they can't
find a lawful like Godly way to go about
it they have to resort to you know this
oldest profession quote unquote yeah and
then I mean this is a topic in and of
itself but just I think the on this one
uh the more Mormons you know are right
he's wrong but Islam actually gives you
the practical way how to do it properly
and this is the way of all all the
prophets of God right and now they lie
and say this is something bad when
Abraham and you mentioned Solomon David
the best these are the best of mankind
we we we didn't even get into taking
strong exception the lies and slander
against lisam Lot in the Bible the
incest that's in there against him David
you know what he did you know to hook up
with uh the the lady of um one of his
General these are all lies Slanders and
these were the greatest men to ever walk
the earth Islam sets it straight gives
the context who they were frees them of
all the slander but this is their way of
life was Islam submission to the Creator
not the creation and they had multiple
families is that right exactly yeah so
his argument is doesn't even work
because the even if they cuz what the
Christian will say is that well we don't
consider them to be great you know we
don't consider Solomon to be a role
model or David to be a role model we or
lot we think that they sinned or they
committed these bad Deeds like it's only
in Islam where you consider the prophets
to be sinless the response to that is to
say fine even if we take your definition
of what is a prophet a prophet can
commit even terrible Deeds but the
terrible deed according to you of having
multiple wives that doesn't mean they're
no longer a prophet you still consider
them to be a prophet yes right so how
are you
disqualifying um the founder of
Mormonism Smith and how are you
disqualifying the prophet Muhammad be be
upon him as prophets based on this
standard that of they are advocating
polygyny because according to your own
book there are prophets who are
practicing polygyny and they're not
disqualified from prophethood because of
that what about what he said that he
gives example of Adam and Eve so Adam
didn't have multiple and they were
joined together and you heard what he
said how do you like to respond to that
he wasn't penous Adam yeah I don't see
how that's relevant like that's that
doesn't mean that um that's not our
nature like there are many things that
Adam didn't do that human beings do
um so uh what else on this one so yeah I
think what you said this is brilliant
that this this for all those look
everyone doesn't have to it's not a part
like I think Mormons you have it's a
part of the religion you you have to
kind of uh not all Mormons but the the
Church of lday saints was it or that I'm
not sure they out louded it also they
out louded it but um in Islam you want
to do it you don't do actually Muslims
are more monogamous than than Mo most
people running around doing illegal uh
polygyny would you agree yeah Muslims
are more faithful um they and you can
see that from a number of empirical
studies yeah um you can see that that in
the rate of STDs that are transmitted
like there is a famous map of AIDS in
Africa MH like the and the map shows a u
Africa and like a heat map like where
are the areas where AIDS is the most
rampant MH like HIV AIDS and then you
have a separate map side by side of
where the areas that are mostly Muslim
versus Christian and the areas that are
mostly Muslim have the lowest rates of
STDs and AIDS but the areas that are
Christian have the highest rates of
these sexually transmitted diseases so
empirical data like that shows that
Muslims don't are faithful they don't
practice this kind of degenerate
behavior and you would have uh this is a
really important point when you have um
these people who have been used to now
just uh the Dan bazian you've heard of
Dan bazan and the Hugh Hefner and you
know the the whole world of for them of
the candy shop opens up and they're just
switching women like socks right um
which Islam condemns but now they want
to turn to God and now you're going to
limit this man who this is this nature
and then he's just used to doing what he
what whatever he wants with whom he
wants uh I had a man come up to me once
uh this is a Jutsu guy he came up and
and out of nowhere he was like man I
gave this a lot of thought I was
thinking how Islam allows you to have up
to four families wise and then he said
that just makes sense and and and and if
you're being real it does make sense
right it gives that option to those
indiv or just if a man in general his
testosterone is at another level and he
can handle it right financially whatever
what's the problem and it's right with
God why you reject to it do you think it
has anything to do with following the
Roman society at one time when they
allowed it and then they allowed
concubines yeah so that so much of
Christianity was influenced by Roman law
yeah so yeah but you it's interesting
that people can be guided to Islam
through this idea of polygyny it just
makes sense and unfortunately you have
some Muslims who they reject polygyny
and they say that like even some women
some wives who say I actually prefer for
my husband to cheat on me as opposed to
him getting a second wife MH so this is
like a very ignorant type of type of
mind no sister would say that come on
man are you kidding me yeah there are
there are sisters who have said this I
prefer my husband cheat on me behind my
back with another woman but that's
better I prefer that than for him to
have a second wife cuz the second wife
means he's going to have to pay for
children and be responsible and take
care she doesn't the second wife or the
first wife doesn't want to share she
just wants to okay he has a side piece I
don't know about it but it's off the
books so I get to keep all of his money
all of his like stuff officially mhm so
it's selfishness it's ignorance it's
let's go on to the next clip here why do
you think it's only 20,000 Americans
that have converted into a religion of
Islam to become Muslims I don't know but
I can promise you Patrick I have no
understanding why a secular woman would
ever convert to Islam in light of the
Muslim view of women that's
beyond
whoa but what is he talking about
because he didn't
clarify what is the Islam's view of
women like in his mind he left that to
your imagination yeah he left it to the
imagination yeah so so what do you say
now to um he he would not uh what he's
leaving to the imagination that Islam
disrespects women that Islam treats
women as second class citizens and all
the other things that uh the the
stereotypes you know what they are what
would you say to uh Patrick B David
who's who's asking him the question and
he's he's responding in that way just in
short like what do you I mean there are
more women entering ISL than men is that
statistically true I mean they're not
stupid I mean they're doing their
research and the society you know and
the industries and whatnot are having
them undress and get naked and running
wild and whatnot Islam is actually uh
having her being respected and she's uh
valuing that that connect direct
connection with her Creator the modesty
like Jesus's mother Mary can you
elaborate on that what do you what do
you have to say I think that Muslim men
are seen as more masculine y um than
Christian men or just average secular
men so Muslims are Muslim is more
masculine um there's the value of
modesty as you mentioned there's the
value of patriarchy um that is just uh
naturally attractive to women and
there's been one interesting study where
they ask women do you prefer like a more
masculine Macho type of man or like a
less Macho show and they do it like
through images and a series of questions
and even the most feminist the most
secular that's the what he's talking
about right like why would secular women
even the secular women they choose a
more masculine a more patriarchal Macho
type of man why that's their nature like
that's what they naturally want not this
kind of feminist liberal secular
equality of the Sexes and we're partners
and stuff like that so
Islam uh has maintained its patriarchal
nature its patriarchal teachings and
that's like very attractive to people at
a deep uh natural level in terms of
their nature and people get it people
get like why would I become Muslim is
because that appeals to me that Islam
aligns with my natural my nature U
modesty was another big thing that you
mentioned like we don't treat women like
pieces of meat like put on
display and some women actually might
not want to become Muslim for that
reason because they want to show
themselves they want to be a piece of
meat and um Islam instead says you
should uh only show your beauty to your
husband your husband is the one who can
appreciate that and you don't want to
just be a public property for everyone
to enjoy your body basically and so
sensible women understand that that is a
better way of life than this
NeverEnding disappointment of just
displaying your body publicly and
relying on your beauty for attention cuz
guess where that ends up you end up
being 35 years old the beauty goes away
you know the wrinkles start creeping in
um you get to 40 you get to 45 you need
plastic surgery you need Botox your
beauty is not going to last so
you uh built your entire identity and
sense of self-worth on showing yourself
your beauty to other men and now that's
gone so what do you have left this is
why depression is at all-time highs
amongst women in their Middle Ages
depression drug use
alcoholism
anti-depressants um I think the
statistic is 50% of women are't
anti-depressants wow um when especially
when you get past age
45 that's the you know secular world of
giving women as many rights and freedoms
as possible letting them to show as much
skin as possible that's created the
worst dystopia for women women now are
more depressed and more downtrodden than
ever before at any point in history so
if he he as as a Christian wants to play
this game of like oh Christians are
Christianity is better than Islam
because we give women more freedoms and
more rights and more empowerment where
has that actually LED that has led to a
modern dystopia in which we're living
and some women are smart enough to
realize that and choose the intelligent
Choice which is Islam all right let's go
to the final clip here pbd podcast
helping our friend Patrick with David
understand um the questions better that
he's asking to the wrong people I would
ask you to um I would ask you to pray
with me heavenly father that's it I
think we we end with this let's discuss
this he said he didn't say uh Jesus he
said heavenly father is this another
thing that we have in common we don't
call because they consider Heavenly
Father this is Allah is that right
heavenly father they would say now
because when you open the Arabic Bible
it's
Allah um so they're calling upon we
don't call god father but they mean by
what how would they describe father like
someone who's uh who cares nurtures you
know the qualities of of God but then it
has these connotations now that we would
disagree with right but uh if we're
going to pray to the one God right the
only God you're saying Heavenly Father
we say the the r of the world the lord
of the universe in Arabic in arama make
we say Allah you don't to say Allah
let's say uh let's Call On Jesus uh god
let's call on God that Jesus called on
in Aramaic allaha that makes he let's
speak the original he's called allaha
let's call allaha let's do it right so
we have an we have another thing in
common here he didn't say Jesus so
what's the problem yeah I think Patrick
and other Christians should really
reflect on you know this concept of the
Son of God like is this something that
actually makes sense or is it something
that you just accept on the basis of
that's your identity you're you're a
Christian you think that this is what is
required and then therefore you can't
deny that Jesus is the son of God but
does it actually make sense like that's
the question and I think that the F the
nature your reason will come through
like no like what does it mean for God
to have a son and when I'm thinking
about God am I really thinking of like a
man uh like a created being um
how does this make any sense it doesn't
make sense it it it the innate nature of
the human being rejects this because God
has certain
qualities he's without beginning Without
End he's all knowing all knowledgeable
doesn't rest doesn't sleep but then you
apply it to anyone in creation and if
you in to uh apply to Muhammad peace be
upon him to Jesus peace be upon them
they had a beginning they had an they
end slept ate gained knowledge
that's not in line with the attributes
of God it's easy one plus one yep yeah
and the thing that he's talking about in
this clip is they want he's talking
about a pastor running for president I
believe so he Patrick has this general
idea that religion is needed for the
saving of America like America is going
in a very bad Direction and it needs God
to get on the right track and we would
just say to Patrick like okay well we
agree up to that point but which
religion like what religion is actually
going to provide guidance um what
religion is actually going to connect us
with God and God's guidance and you have
to have a religion that's been preserved
over time uh Christianity hasn't been
preserved it's gone through this
Evolution it's gone through these
changes the Bible you have so many
variations of it so how can Christianity
lead you
to uh being saved as a nation America
has been a very religious Christian
country and it's devolved why why has it
devolved like why were the previous
generations who are much more devout
Christians than you are Patrick and you
know people who are alive today how did
they allow America to slide into these
problems that you complain about all the
time in your podcast like so think about
it maybe Christianity is not the
solution like maybe Christianity yes you
need religion but maybe Christianity is
not the option uh look at Islam like how
is Islam different and that's a kind of
conversation that I think we should
direct him to or open his mind towards
and you're more than qualified to have a
discussion with him about that he
actually had um he he was mentioning you
and you reacted to a video and there was
some UFC fighter and he mentioned Daniel
hu and Sharia and whatnot and um I was
thinking I was like wow I mean do people
understand that it's just like saying
you know the 10
commandments uh Jewish Sharia I've
spoken to rabbis also they have their
Jewish
Sharia um
so there's this fear of the unknown but
uh that's why these important these
conversations are so so important and
then you can you comment on um this
Christian who had some positive things
to say but I but he was Muslims are
deceived by Prophet Muhammad I think
he's he's been deceived about Islam and
I think someone like him we invite him
to to talk with you to talk with us you
know and I think um a lot of that
programming that's been happening over
the years I mean if we just sit have
conversations like this you're inviting
Patrick that you're inviting all these
people who are not qualified to talk
about Islam invite some Muslims who are
qualified to talk let's sit and have a
conversation agree to disagree but
there's so many things we have in common
he's talking to them Democrats talking
liberals talking about why isn't he
talking to Muslims we had that great
conversation and it was really amazing
right he did good with that you know but
now it just kind of got shut down yeah
maybe he'll be more open to it and we
just have to keep pushing the discussion
like in a very relevant way like the
problems that Society is dealing with in
America like the even the polit on the
political level Islam is very relevant
to these issues and these problems like
uh there's this whole uh red pill
movement and you know we don't agree
with all of that but Islam is very
relevant to the discussion of like what
does it mean to be a man what does it
mean to be a woman like what is
masculinity like what are um the what's
the right way to be a man um so we have
to just continue to bring in Islamic
topics within this larger discussion
that's happening across the world on
social media and I think that's the best
like it's a very organic way to do daa
and people will want to have
conversations with Muslims and the thing
about us especially is that we're very
honest and open like there's no question
that's off limits there's no
controversial thing that we don't want
to that we're afraid to discuss we'll be
very open and transparent and we're
principled like you can tell when you
talk to us that we're not just saying
what you want to hear you were going to
say things that you're going to disagree
with maybe because you're coming from a
different Paradigm a different world
world view and that's fine like we can
still communicate we can agree disagree
as you mentioned and um I think we'll
benefit no matter what when you said
that what um what instinctively came to
my mind I can imagine to some of the
Christians who've been they've been
programmed by the hate industry and this
term that's thrown out there teia you he
this but uh you know I don't know um
what you'd have to say I remember
talking to actually uh won shik zadan um
ibraim sadan once and we were we this
years ago and I asked him I didn't know
much I said what is this tea I know we
have the concept like if your wife cooks
you a bad meal you can tell her it's
great but it's actually not that good if
you're hiding like the Muslims did Jews
in the basement from Hitler and stuff I
mean and you don't want them to get
killed how we save Jews that's you know
a form of uh lying but it's to save life
but this tea to further Advance Islam
there's not in the Islamic sources crown
Sunnah there is no tea this is a shi a
sect of a shi group that use this
concept is this correct or yeah so what
do you say have you been have you been
uh accused of tea yeah so I think that
because one more thing because how can
you have a conversation like what you're
saying if in the back of Patrick's head
or the other head they're thinking this
guy's lying he's doing teia well it was
not difficult for Patrick to realize
that we weren't lying because we just
admitted to some of these uh accusations
against
Islam sorry cut it to the other
clip go ahead so there uh the
accusations against Islam like Islam
endorses
War well that's true and I can I can
kind of appreciate the accusation that
they've made maybe of against certain
speakers or certain figures because
there are figures who will whitewash
Islam and try to make Islam appear more
secular and more liberal um and that's
wrong right um so for them to be accused
of being dishonest I think that's a fair
accusation they have been dishonest
they've presented Islam in a way that is
not accurate right so we disagree with
that um but no one will accuse me of
practicing t or you as practicing T
because we're open about certain things
like polygyny we just had a discussion
we didn't come here and say that no no
no Islam says that monogamy is the best
and Islam says that you know you have to
be monogamous and that's something that
was just for the past like polygamy is
just for polygyny is just for the past
we don't practice we didn't use these
kinds of cheap apologetics and that
would be dishonest if we did that just
to appease or appeal to uh different
perspective we didn't do that we were
just very transparent and open and we
gave like our reasoning and our
explanation the wisdom behind this
practice and a critique of societies
that reject polygyny like that's a type
of very honest discourse that no one can
accuse us of practicing T because it's
we're trans transparent and certain
things that if you accuse Muslims of
that's not part of Islam we'll deny and
we can give you the proof like some of
these um ISL like anti-islam speakers
will say that Islam endorses honor
killing honor killing where like this is
not a part of Islam this is something
completely rejected like no man or
father has the right or husband has the
right to kill uh his wife no matter what
his wife has done that's bad um like
cheat on him that does not justify
killing like you have to go through a
due process and um that's that's what
Islam calls for like
no hon but it's if you want to play this
game there's actually you can you can do
that with the Bible you can say because
there are verses in the Bible if the
world if the woman you know she plays
around and you know and does what
dishonors the family uh yeah so there's
a verse of the Bible that um it's hard
to understand U but basically it says
that if um a man comes to fight with a
husband and then the wife like reaches
out that's another verse yeah to stop it
or her hand is to be chopped off not
like with a like a court conviction or
anything like that it's just right there
cut Lop off her hand yeah and I and I'm
I'm just making the contrast here uh if
the priest's daughter goes and you know
around or does what she you know
plays the heart whatever but she's it
talks about putting her to death this is
in the Bible so if we want to play this
game anyway so uh anything else you want
to you want to close off with uh I think
people like I said earlier they need to
watch this debate you had with this
Jewish academic where can they watch
that yeah on my channel on Muslim
skeptic uh Channel and there's a
playlist dedicated to all the debates
I've done yeah and you can see the name
is duvid that's the U manai debated so
it's a what's the title people can find
it um Islam versus Judaism okay yeah
very important I think everybody should
watch that yeah on a different topic I
don't know if you're open to talk about
this but um on the co stuff
um I'm very interested to
know basically we're finding out more
and more these days that so many people
were so wrong uh we don't need to get
into specifics but many people many
institutions the experts they were so
wrong about every aspect of this you
know so-called
pandemic and you were in the especially
in the Muslim Community especially in
the west you were one of the very very
few voices who pointed out that it
doesn't add up there's a lot of question
marks this seems to be the exact
opposite of what we should be doing
these experts seem to be having another
agenda misleading us and I think it's
very beneficial for uh you to explain to
your listeners and to the Muslim
Community and the umah actually as a
whole like what led you to understand
that what they were saying is wrong what
clued you in what gave what was that
Vision obviously guidance is from Allah
but what specifically like what was your
mindset because you're unique right very
few people publicly came out and
expressed skepticism in the way that you
did using your platform and it was very
risky too to use your platform and your
channel because they're banning people
and they were accusing people of
misinformation if you went against the
government narrative but you m out of
your bravery you you stood up and you
said that well this doesn't add up I
don't believe in this I don't believe in
that um but how can you help
us understand like that mindset that you
had what made you think that there's
something wrong here and I'm not just
going to go with the narrative wow when
you mention that word it's kind of
tricky I don't know if they we with if
we can even still use we can say the
word uh cuz the debates I even we put
together um they got already taken down
anything that has to do with this topic
that we did they're gone it's been taken
down yeah it's gone oh wow it's gone so
a lot of CR you know obviously duah to
Allah but a lot of um critical thinking
I mean it's interesting us as a
community when it comes to um the media
as far as Phil Palestine if it comes to
certain areas we know these are Li we
know the media lies politicians lie
but then when we come to another area
with another industry and just being
care with words that you use because um
algorithms and whatnot and get flagged
uh because the other videos got flagged
uh this whole industry this industry you
think that these are people with Tua you
know of Allah and they want they're
there for your best interest and I've
had many conversations with Muslim
doctors also and they're just you know
and other areas their minds open when it
comes to this they're just shut they're
just like zombies just following blindly
so we have the critical thinking Shayan
doesn't take a rest it's not like you
have a group of people with tuin they
have your best interests invite many of
these these agencies have been captured
you know and um we just have to still
not be naive and do critical thinking
and um not look at anybody who questions
things as somebody who is you know
because they're going that's one thing a
wise men said when you see the whole
herd going in this direction maybe you
want need to go in the opposite
direction right yeah to the slaughter
house so we have to be careful we can't
be naive and um that's a good point you
brought up and um yeah well may Allah
bless you and you too um you know we
know that from Hadith that Allah gives
FASA to the Believers like that kind of
penetrating vision and insight that um
is you know other people don't have it
so that's something for the believer so
may Allah bless you and increase you and
compensate you for anything that you
harmed uh because there are so many
Muslims as well aslim who are so
aggressive like anyone who goes off of
The Narrative you're just a
misinformation agent you're a traitor
like you are you're literally killing
people like those kinds of accusations
so may Allah bless you and reward you
for that um we need more of that
leadership because guess what the next
uh scop the next thing that they have
planned is going to be worse and worse
and worse so the fact that unfortunately
there were a lot of Muslims who just
went with the flow um that's very
dangerous and it's not a good sign for
the future we have to turn turn The Tide
yeah and we need uh leaders who who are
are not just like blind sheep yeah yep
good good have you a great discussion
man we had a great uh great reaction
here hopefully this could be of benefit
uh let's get this to our friend Patrick
M David and get these answers to him and
hopefully the door can open where we can
have other Christians and others to see
that we are not the enemy we want good
for society good for our country is that
right absolutely and it's all built on
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