peace be with you welcome to the dean
show my next guest going to be talking
about Isis and he's going to be talking
about these armed
individuals one in particular who is
stalking and terrorizing innocent Muslim
women in front of a MOS that he goes to
to worship God alone that's it and we're
going to be talking about a terrorist
attack many of them that are just going
under the radar they're not even really
being even reported as much as Isis is
and how the mainstream media is actually
recruiting for Isis all this and more
here on the dean show with my next guest
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peace be with you asalam
Alum how are you how are you
alhamdulillah thank God good good good
uh how long's it been since well we've
seen each other here and there but when
we had that uh program at the IR mused
yeah it was the last time you were in
Dallas a couple years ago probably now
you go there to worship like people you
know they go to a house of worship to
worship but some many people they don't
uh come there to find a surprise at
their churches synagogues with people
AK-47s I mean is that where you're
finding now when you go to Irvine mosque
well Irvine was uh um protested by some
uh uh anti-muslim uh I don't know
extremist I I would say that uh decided
they'd have an arm protest outside of
the Irving musjid but uh nothing
happened and the police were there so it
was pretty uh much a non-event even
though that people had to think about it
and prepare for it there's a picture
right now people are seeing that went
viral you got the guy who's uh holding
the what is it M16 and he's right he's
like he's stalking this uh Muslim woman
who's actually representing the mother
of Jesus Mary wearing the hijab have you
seen this picture no I haven't yeah so
people are seeing it right now he's like
actually right behind her and he's got a
mask on with the M16 that's really scary
man what no people are all worked up
there's a lot of fear there's a lot of
ignorance there's a lot of anxiety and
it's Ed at the Muslim Community so um uh
this is something that uh we have to be
aware of and try to U work through Paris
attacks yeah I mean I think uh the
people who at the end suffer the most I
mean when we hear this I mean we pray
that it's not a Muslim you know it's
it's sad anytime well thank God it
wasn't a Muslim who did the Paris
attacks it was Isis and Isis is as unlam
as I mean they're they're hostile to
Islam everything about them is UN
Islamic there is not one thing that I've
heard or seen or read or understood
about this organization that has an
ounce of Islam in it so alhamdulillah it
was not a Muslim who did anything in
Paris but my heart goes out to those who
are the victims of this Injustice and of
this atrocity and for anyone who suffers
at the hands of uh either ignorant
people or Zealot people or whoever's um
acting uh uh putting a label on
something and pretending to do something
in the name of something that they have
nothing to do with I usually make this
example you know when I talk to our
brothers in humanity and it's it's sad
that most people they they end up
believing everything that they're fed
from the mainstream media but it would
be as though like KKK uh was shown to
him all day and night and as if that
repres we were smart enough to know that
that doesn't represent
Christianity and same this be the same
thing as if Hitler said I'm a Christian
and you know over he invited you over
for a bake sale you know I mean this is
absurdity and I know that it's confusing
because people only know what they hear
or only what they see and you have an
organization that is making a lot of
claims in the name of religion and doing
atrocious acts of beheading and violence
and just absurd uh
hostile um
events and and and just and and
pretending to be in the name of Islam
but I can assure you there's not one
Muslim that I'm aware of and my entire
life has spent in the mosque traveling
the US every single day visiting another
community and all I've seen is 2,000
mosque condemn the organization 2,000
Imam say they have nothing to do with
the religion of Islam every major
organization every out of seven eight
million Muslims in America I haven't
heard one person support anything about
Isis so this phenomenon that we're all
up in arms about and that is a real
tragedy uh I can't explain it but it has
nothing to do with my religion not in my
name is this happening not in your name
is this happening not in any muslim's
name that I know of in this country is
this happening so but the people that
don't know the faith are not exposed to
their uh Muslim neighbors people that
aren't frequent in a mosque or they
don't know what's happening in the
Muslim Community would have no idea so
they would have to judge by what they
see and if what they're seeing is
someone or some organization making all
these uh
heinous uh claims and and acts it just
uh it's beyond apologetics it's it's as
simple as there there is nothing that
this organization has to do with the
religion other than claiming they're
doing it AR in the name of Islam
uh I I've also it's a fact that they're
actually killing more Muslims there yeah
everywhere you go Isis is killing more
Muslims than anybody even the the
um well that's we'll just leave it that
way that this organization is hostile to
Islam and every aspect of the Muslim
Community and to our faith and to our
our teachings and to our representation
there is nothing in this religion
that would ever encourage uh beheadings
or suicides or um um mass destruction of
of people or buildings or populations or
innocence nothing to do with my religion
nothing uh so you have all the main uh
stream organizations have condemned this
uh you have Muslims worldwide who have
condemned this uh why do you think the
media just continues to give them the
the voice and the platform and kind of
makes it like they represent I don't
know but to me it seems like the media
is recruiting for Isis and I turn on the
TV and as much as I hate Isis all I hear
is how effective and how smart and how
big and how strong and how powerful this
organization is and we need to be afraid
and we need to be afraid and I'm
thinking of what I mean you've
got8 billion Muslims or one I don't know
how many Muslims in the world today but
uh one and a half two billion Muslims uh
in the world today who other than the
the few that call themselves this
organization are condemning at right and
left telling them it has nothing to do
with my faith it's doesn't have anything
to do with the history of Islam so we're
we're at our wits end as to how to um
move forward yet in my opinion the media
uh either through ignorance or through
um sensationalism or or for whatever
motivation they have have actually you
know hyped it to a point where where
it's beyond relevant it
is absolutely consuming the the thoughts
and the hearts and minds of of people
all over the world and I'm not here to
ever um condone what Isis is doing but
the media is making it worse by giving
them a platform a stage a presence
credibility in every Way by telling us
to be afraid telling us that it could
happen to anybody and all Muslims are
suspect and every MOS is a threat and
every human you know everybody that
professes to be uh a Muslim uh is a
Potential Threat because of their belief
is just
inciting people
to act upon the fear uh uh without
justification uh we're going to go ahead
and and take a break and we'll be right
back with more we want to talk about
kind of the double standard because we
had some uh many recent domestic
terrorists attacks have happened we'll
talk about those and registering Muslims
Donald Trump's whole new you know agenda
all that and more here on the dean show
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has nothing to do with my Prophet please
just stop it it doesn't make any sense
that's not the message he sent that's
not what he meant that's not why he came
so you can claim as much as you want to
but I assure you the man I follow was
not the same see I know a man who
forbade the cutting down of a plant who
even spoke against those who had burnt
an ant so why is it that I simply can't
understand how we claim to follow the
same
man I mean I know a man who forbade us
from harming the innocent saying he who
does so would not only be prohibited
from Paradise but he would not even
smell it scent so please tell me how
what you're doing has anything to do
with the message that he sent this is
the man who forbade us from even scaring
cattle with a knife saying you have no
right to let the animal die twice and
when he was asked for advice he'd reply
don't get angry don't get angry don't
get angry repeating it Thrice please
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show so where we left out we're talking
about Isis Isis Isis is just um D there
there a new this is actually the proper
name have you heard this yeah I mean the
proper name is satanic satanic demonic
satanic and Prophet Muhammad peace be
upon I often tell people he actually
prophesies of this kind of group like
this actually coming M uh you know about
this this he said there would be people
that come you know every religion has
talked about wolves and sheep's clothing
well this is our wolf and sheep's
clothing or without the sheep's clothing
yeah so it's just pretty blatant what it
is but someone says look look but
they're screaming uh Allah you know
before they kill people um you know this
is Islam what do you say you know
because they're screaming this this this
uh this CH yeah yeah they pretend all
they want that they can say Arabic words
they can say Arabic phrases they can say
Muslim uh words and even quote parts of
the Quran but nothing that this
organization has done has said or I'm
aware of has anything to do with my
religion and I consider myself a
fundamentalist Muslim and every sense of
the word and I would never hurt another
human being for any reason for any
unjust cause I wouldn't ever do any of
the acts that that this group has
perpetrated uh in the name of religion
and uh it has it's a king with no
clothes it it can say whatever it wants
I I could I could pretend to be a
Christian a Buddhist a Hindu a Jewish an
atheist and do you know anything I
wanted and just pretend that I'm doing
it in the name of something doesn't mean
that gives any credibility to uh you
know your actions speak louder than your
words uh people sometimes get spooked
out when you say uh they've heard you
say fundamentalist but if you're a
doctor you you follow the fundamentals
of Medicine of course engineering
fundamentals of engineering Christianity
fundamentals you following the
fundamentals of Islam the ABCs I mean
you know I'm a fundamentalist Muslim in
that I believe that there's no
compulsion in religion I believe that
God has sent guidance to Mankind and
says that you know there's God there's
Heaven there's hell there's a day of
judgment live live your life accordingly
treat others the way you want to be
treated act as if uh you're in the
presence of God at all time and be fair
be just be Noble be steadfast do
everything that you can to be a better
person a better human being and be
helpful to others and this is the
essence of all religious traditions and
especially Islam now what do you think I
mean we condemn this obviously this has
nothing to do with Islam obviously but
now when when other people they look and
and they say what about uh the rest of
humanity coming out if we condemn one
shouldn't we condemn all we have
innocent people dying children I mean
hundreds of thousands have died in Syria
in in in in Palestine and what is your
take on this well I think that we should
be screaming from rooftops about every
unjust and uh uh
uh unethical act performed by anybody so
what is happening to the Palestinians
what's happening in Syria what's
happening in Bangladesh what's happening
in Egypt what's happening in uh almost
every or many countries all over the
world today there's is just full of
Injustice full of Oppression full of
just
um um you name it uh uh atrocities and
every one of those human beings that are
being affected should have our concern
should have our heart should have our
prayers should be somebody that we try
to
help so my heart is for every one of the
syrians and every one of the
Palestinians and all of the Jewish
people are anybody that's being hurt
innocently for doing nothing and being a
victim of others aggression and
um Injustice uh tell us uh what do you
uh when you see um and it's kind of
disheartening what's your take on this
when you when just today you um have uh
this week in the news you had a gunman
he went in and killed uh a few people
wounded 11 almost a dozen and you know
it's interesting gunman suspect every
other name but what it is he committed
terroris terrorism right what is your
take on this well it's it's an obvious
uh double standard but uh again I would
uh condemn that individual as much as I
would Isis or anybody else um I think uh
today uh the media has decided that uh
only Muslims can be terrorists so if
anybody does anything equivalent to um
uh something that is being called
terrorism they'll find another word for
a non-muslim so it's kind of an
exclusive Club at the moment to be
um um a terrorist activity but uh you
could definitely call what Assad is
doing to his own people terrorism you
could say what is happening in
Bangladesh and you know new parties
taken over and ruthlessly killing
parties that uh you know want to silence
their opposition you can call um uh
every
uh uh genocide every murder every um Act
of Terror terrorism and you should if
you're going to be consistent but I
think it's more of a political term than
an accurate definition at the moment
when we come back we going to get your
take on uh some more current events here
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so what is it that we still don't
understand when we claim to follow Islam
yet we fail to follow this man I mean I
know a man who was so caring and
compassionate who said that there is a
reward in serving all things that are
animate in other words everything that
breathes whether it be the animals the
trees and every single human being I
mean if Allah called
him how dare you call him anything else
that
contravenes see this is a man who said
that the Muslim was he who is soft
simple and lenient a man who taught us
himself to be cautious from falling into
extremism see he was never given two
choices except he chose that which was
easiest not for himself but for his
people and their
convenience siano a man who advocated
for the freedom of the slaves a man who
taught us that the Muslim is the one
from whom the people are safe not only
from his hands but even from the words
that he
says see this is a man who would never
mock mimic nor ridicule nor would he
ever publicly rebuke an individual this
is the man I follow so forgive me if
this sounds
unusual but the man I know was so much
more handsome so beautiful please
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actually you accepted you came uh when
we did our first uh sit down we had a
meeting we talked about um your your
journey to Islam you actually came from
a Baptist Christian yeah I was an
aspiring Baptist Minister that converted
in 1989 so 25 years ago I became Muslim
and uh how's it been ever since
alhamdulillah I love Islam I love the
Muslim Community uh I want to do
anything or everything I can to um to
help uh the Muslims the humanity at
large so I uh I'm very happy to have 25
years of being a Muslim and that's
simply one I mean I you know from uh
doing the program that you you You' just
chosen to submit your will to the
creator of heavens and earth just like
Jesus did Moses Abraham they all
submitted to God that's it uh and and
when you hear people like Donald Trump
you know kind of they they equate it to
like what Hitler was going to do with
the with the Jews uh registration for
Muslims what is your take on this well I
think it's insane um uh you know a
national ID card for Muslims is exactly
repeating history and you know the cries
of never again seem to be uh short in
everyone's memory um if you'll look back
on uh the most
egregious um for the lack of better term
genocides it all started with
stigmatizing a group of people
dehumanizing them treating them with you
know ID cards and and everybody
separating them from the the norm and
then uh people's uh angers frustration
and aggression eventually are being
would be taken out against that uh
minority and it can lead to nothing good
so it's it's a it's a solution that has
proven itself to be horrible and should
never be repeated uh most of these when
you had also not too long ago the um the
individual who went in who committed uh
Act of Terror also against innocent
Muslims he went in and killed that was
in Texas also the three doctors was it
uh young lady and her two brothers went
and shot him point
blank are you talking about the Muslims
that got shot yes it was in North
Carolina North Carolina Chapel Hill
North Car Chapel Hill that's what it was
when he was asked uh have you ever met a
Muslim or anything no he had no idea so
uh can we be I mean this when people
experience that human connection with
Muslims you know some people in these
rural areas never met a Muslim but uh
how important it is for us now to really
get out there you know to help educate
to edify the people well here's
something that um I think every Muslim
should do and that is let people know
know you're Muslim and then practice
Islam to the best of your ability and
let people see your your manners your
etiquette and your your religion coming
through you and your actions and not
your words and there have been studies
on this though this is something that
there's empirical data that are not uh
research that has been done where
hundreds if not thousands of people been
interviewed about their uh thoughts on
Islam and Muslims and this was after 911
people were ask okay so what do you
think about Islam what do you think
about Muslims and they ask them many
different questions and at the end of
the survey they asked each uh
participant uh the same question and
that is rate yourself on your own
knowledge of Islam and Muslims so you
could pick I know nothing I know a
little bit I know somewhat or I know a
lot and you rate
yourself and you get the results of
those surveys back and the overwhelming
majority of all the answers are negative
so the survey tells you that there is a
nonfavorable impression of Islam and
Muslims but if you take all of the
surveys and you sort them by Okay who in
this pile said that they they rate
themselves as knowing nothing how many
of you said you know somewhat how many
you know I mean a little somewhat or a
lot and you have four piles and you look
at the ones who say they know nothing
you see the most hostile venomous hatred
towards Islam and Muslims but if you go
to the ones that say I know a little bit
about Islam Muslims their their answers
were more favorable if they know
somewhat about Islam and Muslim this
their own definition of themselves more
favorable and the ones who claimed to
know a lot about Islam and Muslims had
the most favorable impression of Islam
and Muslims so what that survey tells us
is the more information people have
about Real Islam and Muslims the more
favorable their impression becomes so
that means all of us as Muslims are put
in a circle of influence in our life our
daily life lives whatever we do and
however we do it we come in contact with
people and the people are looking at us
as representatives of that faith and we
need to be the best examples of what we
believe in our circle of influence and
we can change the world we can change
that impression uh before we we cut out
uh for this program uh this week's
program tell us a little bit about the
work that you do um you know for people
who want to get involved help and uh
maybe call you out to well yeah
um alhamdulillah I'm one of the
co-founders and the current executive
director of a charity called the Muslim
legal fund of America the Muslim legal
fund was founded in 2001 and it is what
its name proclaims it's a charity that
collects money so all I do is go all
over the US and I collect money from the
Muslim Community and with the money that
we collect we spend the money on lawyers
we hire attorneys to defend Muslim
rights in in court so we have uh taken
cases like the Holy Land Foundation Dr
AIA sadiki Dr Samuel Arion uh the Irvine
11 the six imams hundreds of cases
involving our imams leaders activists
organizations or anyone who we feel is
being dealt with unfairly by the legal
system and uh as a charity we continue
to grow and uh today we've uh opened a
nonprofit Law Firm where we've now after
14 years of working with some of the
best attorneys in the nation uh we've
actually uh uh asked a few of them to
close their law firms and to work
full-time uh at a nonprofit law firm
called the Constitutional Law Center for
Muslims in America this Law Firm is
going to be solely funded by the Muslim
legal fund it's grant funding to the law
firm uh these lawyers will work uh
full-time uh for the Muslim Community on
immigration civil or Criminal
uh issues Nationwide and for free so U
if you like what you hear you can donate
if you need our service give us a call
and uh this is a charity that uh really
believes that uh that uh everyone is
entitled to uh fair and equal treatment
under the law and if we don't see it
happening uh we think that uh the
community should uh support each other
in that process what's the website that
people can contact uh you can visit the
website at w ww.
mfa.org
Muslim legal fund of americ mfa.org it's
always a pleasure thank you so much for
being with us look forward to having you
thank you peace be with
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until then peace be with you a man who
taught kindness to the neighbors who
taught us to serve others without
expecting back any favors to spread
peace to those we know and even to the
strangers to walk with humility and to
Simply ignore the haters but
nevertheless I know a man who still
taught us to stand up for the oppressed
from the men women and children who call
out to us in
distress and a man who taught us to
fight for these people but by no means
does this mean we have the right to
transgress for those who oppress have
nothing to do with his name so you can
say what you wish to say and continue a
famous name but at the end of the day I
assure you the man I follow was not the
same Muhammed
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