Morocco and Sagal and I that was
disgusting.
Okay? Because there's one book that
these people are following that calls
for freaking you know they've been
compromised.
>> That's for sure. What you see isn't what
you get. I mean by the way Byron
Donald's
>> you are fighting against Sharia.
>> Radical Sharia. Radical Sharia is the
thing that will destroy America.
>> You're lying, Congressman. You're lying.
>> Sharia and the Constitution are
incompatible.
>> Islam has changed William in the most
amazing ways. Most amazing ways.
>> We're here to educate humanity. And you
see, brothers and sisters, what we're up
against, but alhamdulillah, we're going
to continue striving to get the Da
Center, the educational center open so
we can go ahead and educate humanity on
the most misunderstood way of life. We
need your support right now.
>> Assalamu alaykum Shay. How are you
>> I'm good. I'm good. Alhamdulillah.
>> Good to have you back here on the
program.
>> This time we're back in Tampa, man,
where the sun is out. It's not windy and
cold like Chicago. Alhamdulillah.
They're both beautiful. Alhamdulillah.
>> And we just finished up a good event you
were speaking at yesterday.
>> Oh, mashallah, man. Yeah, it was
beautiful. You want to know the West
African? Because the West African,
you have to see the indentation and the
ascension.
Yeah. I was in the hospital one time and
subhan Allah, this man was staring at,
you know, usually West African,
I'm trying to keep my composure.
I'm like, sir, may I help you? How you
doing? How you doing? How you doing? Can
I help you? He said, no, no, no, no.
Your head, your head, your head. I said,
"What?" I said, he said, "You are
African, aren't you?" I said, "Yes, my
brother. I'm African. Alhamdulillah."
But really, you see that, you know,
he's a a brother, a brother, and a
brother.
B O R Dal.
A That's the brother. That's what we
say. The brothers. Alhamdulillah. But it
was beautiful because you see two
brothers like yourself and you know Mtah
they're just coming together and working
with for da'ah. It was beautiful. I
didn't even realize that we were doing
it here
>> when we got here. I said mashallah this
is I didn't even realize. Yeah.
Mashallah. So it's beautiful just seeing
the progress and the evolution of the
work. Alhamdulillah.
>> Yeah that's what I was going to ask you
cuz you've been supporting the project.
Now you get to see it come to fruition.
>> Exactly.
>> What are your thoughts?
>> Oh man. It's beyond words man. It's
possible. Allah is a fat. He's the one
that open door opens doors, man. And I
think it's a really good message for
other brothers and sisters that are
hesitant on doing something. They got to
put in the work. I mean, you've been
doing over 10 years, man.
I mean, it's it's it's it's uh don't
ever give up. We Muslim, you know, we
trust in Allah. He's a fat. We make dua
to him.
>> And just keep pushing. Don't let
rejection hold you back. It's actually a
way to push you forward.
>> Yeah. Almost 20.
>> Subhan Allah.
He made the correction.
>> Yeah.
>> Like rightfully so, man. I would have
too. I said, "No, it was 20." Sh 10. N
you just had another had another 10 on
there, man.
>> Alhamdulillah.
>> What's one word that you would would
that you would I mean that you would
tell people, man, like when you first
started to where you are now?
>> 2006. So 2006 when we start uh
>> 20 years.
>> 20 years. Two 2000 is when I started to
really change my life around. Come
towards the dean. Yeah. Around 2000.
>> What were you going to ask me?
What's one word that you would just tell
people out there, the young Muslim
brothers and sisters that are hesitant
on being Muslim, hesitant on, you know,
starting a legacy project for Islam, but
they're running into roadblocks and it's
like, man, is this really for me? Is it
>> Those are the challenges. That's where
Allah tests you, right?
>> You think like it's just going to be
smooth,
>> right? But then then the challenges
start hitting one after the other after
the other.
>> So, are you really sincere? Are you
really doing it
>> for what? What's the purpose behind it?
Right. Allah test your sincerity. You
got to just
>> push forward.
>> Sincerity.
>> Yeah. Sincerity. Yeah. May Allah keep us
sincere and accept from us.
>> I mean I mean
>> and and going into now. So uh you didn't
know you were coming to the dean center
until what you you figured. You're like
okay.
>> Yeah.
I thought it was another center and I
looked on the said the dean center. I
said why is this lady spot? Mah. And I
remember mashallah. They were reaching
out to me to see if I could do an
interview with you. I was like, I don't
know if I'll be able to. Now I just it
just hit me because I was telling her
like, well, we got to find out where
we're doing the event and see how far
away that is from where I'm going to be
interviewing him, where I'm going to be
interviewed. But I didn't realize it's
the same place.
>> So that's when it hit me. I came here,
the brother was driving. I said, "Oh,
wow. Okay, this is Subhan Allah."
>> Very convenient now, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Just a staircase away. Just a flight
away.
>> Subdillah. Well, let's get into this
video here. I want to show this video
because it goes back into
you are f you find your purpose in life.
You're living the dean. But then you got
people like this. You know, I don't know
if you've I'm sure you have. You've
noticed the the turnup now of the
volume, the heat. There's these bud
buzzwords that are being thrown around
and now they're identifying us as
Muslims as something we're not.
>> So you're a teacher, you're an educator,
you're an imam, you're an academic,
you're somebody who's been studying the
religion. You actually came from
Christianity, right? You're a former
Christian. this guy who's speaking, he's
also Christian. And let's uh evaluate
this, break it down and package it and
get your reaction.
>> You are fighting against Sharia.
>> Do you think that the United States has
a problem of Islamization?
>> I think we do. I think we have to be
very strong against Sharia. Sharia has
does not work in our uh structure of
government. Sharia and the constitution
are incompatible.
They do not work together. And so we
have to do everything we can to stand
against Sharia law coming to the United
States. We have to be vigilant about
this radical Islam.
>> THAT'S A LIE. TAKE ALL YOU WANT.
>> YOU'RE LYING, CONGRESSMAN. You're lying.
>> How do you process that?
>> I think there's multi there's multiple
levels of ignorance. I think that's
compound ignorance. They call it's where
you think you know something and then
you speak as you know something, but in
reality you don't know that you don't
know. Um firstly understanding Sharia as
his term you know Sharia um it's really
comes from the replenishment of the
soul. So God has given us a system in
order to do that. So firstly
understanding what that is and uh
understanding that radicalization and
sharia are not synonymous. I I just saw
how he just did that there.
>> Say that again. It's very important.
>> Radical radical Islam and Sharia are not
synonymous. They're not synonyms. Have
you in in your studies this term is
there such a thing as radical Islam? Can
Islam be radical? Islam is submission to
the will of God.
>> Right? Islam inherently when practiced
correctly of course not. It's supposed
to be as prophet was
he was a mercy to mankind. So how can
you be merciful when there is are levels
of and that's the word that is used in
Arabic they call it they're going far
beyond the bounds or excessive in the
religion. They may take elements of the
religion and then with their
interpretation or practice and dare I
even say frustrations, personal
frustrations use Islam to legitimize
what they're doing. That's when they
have divorced themselves from the Sharia
in their practice. And that's where it
can become a problem. That's where some
people that are non-Muslim may see this
Muslim doing this and they may associate
what they're doing saying that that's
Islam, but that person what they're
doing has no legitimacy in Islam. like
the KKK for Christianity like the KKK.
>> Finish your point what you were saying.
>> So, so you know, you may find find
someone that is frustrated because of
what they are going through personally
or what they're going through as a
community or what they're going through
as a nationality and some people may use
the word Islam to legitimize what
legitimize what they're doing. But in
actuality, when you look at it from the
basis of the religion of Islam, it
doesn't call to that. I mean if that's
the case why would so many Muslims
people be becoming Muslim turning to
Islam and looking for to Islam for
answers. So when we talk about the
Sharia is inherently
inherently radical that's where it's a
problem. We separate the dean from the
do the the doctrine from the doer. This
is very very important. The person that
practices it you know depending on who
it is that's who we take our religion
from and that's who we use as an
example. But the average person that
doesn't practice Islam to the best of
their ability and then they may do
something that is disobedience in Islam
inherently and a sense of frustration
and pushing the people away. That's
where we say no. Islam is free from that
and free from that person and what
they're doing. Now this guy was talking
about constitutional law. If he was
adding 1 plus 1 is seven. He was messing
up with mathematics. These guys are
politicians. These guys are are
community leaders, you know, that are
running for certain uh positions that
are going to have an effect on the
community, their constituents. Uh they
have a responsibility. So now, if they
were talking about con, like I said,
constitutional law and making great
blunders
>> or legal law and great blunders, that'd
be a problem. But here, it seems like
anybody can just freely, you're a
qualified person to talk about Islam.
You spend time studying it.
>> You're an educator. But when you see
people like this just freely like where
you're from, you have also the they just
passed uh a ban or something. It was
like more of a
>> a show. But you're you're implementing
Sharia, God's law legislation
>> every day, aren't you? Praying, fasting,
>> right?
>> Uh how does this giving charity, taking
care of your responsibilities as a
father? This is all under God's law,
>> right? So, so when you see people like
this, when they're sitting there, you
know, as some kind of authority, they've
never probably sat with an educator like
yourself,
>> visited a mosque, talk about concerns.
What does this tell you?
>> It tells me that we hope, we hope, but
when seeing with revisionist history
that there may be some type of agenda
built on again compound ignorance.
>> Agenda, compound ignorance.
>> Agenda, compound ignorance and
intellectual laziness. To be honest,
it's very very lazy when you speak like
that and you just paint but a a brush
over the whole religion and all the
pract thus all the practitioners of the
religion have the potential to be
radical or they may be radical and
they're not showing it. So that's the
that's what it creates in the minds of
the people that go to work 5 days a week
9 to5 and then they're just watching you
for 5 minutes and then they're getting
all of their knowledge based on that
which is the average person. M
>> so that's where it can create a problem
but it needs to be articulated that that
is intellectual laziness and then
there's also the you know you know
generalization of a whole religion and a
whole faith and just like you mentioned
Sharia is also you know if someone is is
is rampant and they're angry and they're
taking a rifle and shooting people at a
synagogue Islam Sharia is also helping
that person helping that person and you
know maybe putting your life on the line
because of that that is the basis of
Sharia as well
>> to save uh to save life
>> to save life of course of an innocent
person right or innocent people to where
your life may be put on the line for
that where's the shar on that where's
people talking about that as the sharia
right which it is praying five times a
day as you mentioned you know being good
to your neighbor is a part of our
religion of Islam but when you say
sharia and radical Islam and put them
together that's very very problematic is
intellectually lazy and it makes Muslims
look at you like can we trust you to be
just if you have any level of influence
and authority over our well-being in our
localities.
>> Mhm. Unpackage Sharia now more because
they hear this. It's a buzz word. What
does it actually mean when you break it
down?
>> So, Sharia really means really means
linguistically it comes from that which
is beginning or to begin something or it
can also mean like uh uh uh channels of
water that come to one body of water. So
when you see that it is when you
practice that which has been given to
you or that which has been bestowed upon
you. It is a form is a form of
replenishment of the soul. So it
initially starts at a spiritual
connection with God. But then God gives
you a system on how to correct and
modify and purify that soul. So from
that is five times a day. For example,
you know the prophet sallallahu alaihi
wasallam he said
if there was a river in front of your
house and you to washing it five times a
day would it cleanse you and then they
said yes. He said this is the salawat.
It relinquishes it expedates the sins
from prayer to prayer. So that is an act
of the
helps replenish the soul. Every act in
Islam is a means of replenishment of the
soul. prayer, smiling with the right
intention that can be an expeation for a
sin that I've committed five minutes,
five hours, five years ago that is up to
the one that created and brought the
sharia. So the sharia is the systematic
approach on how to replenish the soul.
And that system and blueprint has been
given to us by the creator of the soul
who is flawless, has no mistakes.
Therefore, we trust in that before
sometimes even trusting in our own
selves and intellect.
>> Ten Commandments. Sharia.
>> Yeah, you can say commandments. Yeah.
>> Uh also in the Arabic Bible, you have
Sharia is in there also. Christians have
their own versions. Jew Jewish people
have their own version. Is that correct?
Yes. Pretty much same thing.
>> Yes. It's pretty it's pretty much the
same thing though. But when we look at
the history and we look at the evolution
of from a textual standpoint, from a
historical standpoint, we see where a
man's intervention has possibly taken
place. Therefore, compromising the
integrity of the commandments,
compromising the integrity of the
system.
>> So, you have compromised and here it's
in its pristine state that we have it
now.
>> In its pristine state that we have it
now. Exactly. Exactly. Alhamdulillah. Uh
tell me, have you have you noticed as an
imam, as an educator in your community,
have you noticed something different the
climate now towards Islam? Have you do
you use X?
>> No, I don't use XM.
>> Okay. It's like a cesspool of hate on
there.
>> But have you have you noticed um the
algorithms? Have you noticed um that
there's a campaign now? It's a little
bit different. The climate towards
Islam, how's been turned up?
>> I mean, noticed is a past verb. If we
want to go past, I mean, we notice from
in the Quran, you know, there's there's
there there always was and always will
be a campaign against Islam and Muslims.
I think that's what's important to
realize. The way that the campaign may
happen will be different. Uh where it
happens will be different. The intensity
of where it may happen will be
different. The people will be different.
You you may not expect it coming from
one person and this person as well as
the opposite. You may not expect this
person to come and help and speak about
the dean of Islam. So it's always been
there. I think that's what that that's
what's important when it comes back to
our creed of Islam. Yeah. This is
nothing new. It's nothing new. And when
this is nothing new, we realize okay, we
always have to rely on the one that has
allowed this to take place in our
presence because it's spoken about it
from the time of the prophets till till
now. So understanding that inshallah can
serve as a means for us to come closer
to Allah by practicing the Sharia in the
way that it was intended. At the same
time from the Sharia is to speak about
that which is not from the Sharia like
from the dean of Islam is to to to speak
about what port what is portrayed as
Islam and is not Islam from Muslims that
may be doing it and from non-Muslims
that may be speaking about it as well.
is are individuals like this are they
victims to the hate propaganda would you
say?
>> That's a very interesting question man
>> because there's so much anti-Islam
propaganda
>> by it's deliberately pushed
and people either they are keen to it or
they're also part of the problem and
they're getting paid to push this. You
know, they've been compromised.
>> That's for right. What you see isn't
what you get. I mean, by the way, Byron
Donald's as of right now, still endorses
Randy Fine's reelection bid despite that
star.
>> And they tried to cancel you for having
a conversation with a certain someone.
He's literally endorsing a member of
Congress who told innocent children who
were literally starving on video to
starve away. That tells you everything
you need to know about my opponent,
Byron Donald's.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's where you do become
part of the problem when you when you
when you speak of something that you
know that you know when you stand in the
mirror in the in your bathroom and you
look you know that you do not know
fully. You do not have the correct or
baseline education of what you're
speaking about. You know that you're
being intellectually lazy and it will
have some ramifications when it comes to
those that are innocent. the majority of
the Muslim Ummah in this particular
case, they're innocent. They're innocent
and they are not of what you are
claiming.
>> I'd love to sit down. Would you also be
willing if this uh he's I think he's
from Tampa. He's here in the woods who
is talking. We'd love to talk with him,
invite him on the program. Would you
would you be interested? Would you talk
to someone like Dan? What would you tell
him?
>> I Man, that's that's very interesting.
I' I'd have to know what is his where
exactly is he getting this from? from
And if he's getting it from human
application, that's the first flaw. You
know, we we learn our religion from
people from humans that have knowledge
of the religion. Number one, and
knowledge of the context because when we
look at a text, there's a context behind
the text. So, if he doesn't understand
those nuances, he may not be the person
that is qualified to speak about it.
Therefore, he needs to be educated by
someone that is qualified
>> like yourself.
>> Inshallah. Yeah. I mean, someone that
Yeah. someone that where he when he
poses a certain issue or a question,
he's able to be answered accordingly in
a in a in a in a fashion that is
conducive to his level, but it has the
integrity in the academic elements of
Islam.
>> All right. There's another person I'm
going to go ahead I've been getting
people to kind of react to to to this um
because I heard it from him myself. We
spoke and I told him, look, I'm going to
go ahead and be there to go ahead and
address some of these questions. and he
obviously um shared this with his
audience. They have a huge platform and
now we have an educator, somebody who's
an imam, uh community leader, an
educator in Islam, someone qualified.
So, I want to get your your uh
perspective. I I think he this person,
this is just my guess, he's become a
victim to the hate propaganda, but I
think he's an okay guy
>> and I hope we get to meet in person, we
can um help educate him and he can stop
repeating some of this stuff because I
think he's doing a big disservice. So,
let's have a look,
>> okay? Because there's one book that
these people are following that calls
for freaking and death of non-believers.
And if I hear one more person message me
and TRY TO SAY, "WELL, IN THE OLD
TESTAMENT, SAMUEL WAS A YOU'RE BRINGING
up one war story in the Old Testament
when Jesus Christ came on the scene in
the in the New Testament. Where does he
call for murder? Where does he call for
killing the innocent? Where does he call
for stabbing people in the neck?"
>> Okay, Vinnie.
>> Vinnie's in the house.
>> We're sending you another one, Vinnie.
Out of the love. Let's go ahead.
>> Um,
what is your thought? How do you process
this one?
>> Again, it's Jah, man. is is it's real
ignorance number one. I think it's
intellectually lazy. Um and sitting with
someone to get a clear understanding. Uh
I don't think that's been done. I mean
when you when you mention these types of
things, it's a it's um what do you call
it? It can trigger the ignorant. You
know, someone that doesn't understand
the foundations of any religion. Like
when we determine as Muslims
particularly those that are qualified
when you determine the validity of the
foundation of the relig the validity of
religion you look at its foundation you
don't look at its practitioners so some
of the things that he was talking about
you know he's talking about you know
killing them unjustly and and what
infidels and these types of
conversations have you spoken to someone
that understands the context of those
verses and that is able to articulate it
in a way to where the fra would accept
okay I understand this so just as he
mentioned What do you mean fra?
>> FRA the natural inclination. The
motherboard of the human being. Their
GPS.
>> Motherboard of the human being. I like
that.
>> Yeah. Like their GPS. Right. So how
Allah has created you. You feel guilty
when you lie the first time. But the
thousandth time it's something normal.
That guilt is fra.
>> I want Vinnie to as much as he's going
to hear this now get to him that he
feels guilty for repeating a lie now
because he's lying,
>> right?
>> And and and maybe he he was victim the
first time, but now the truth is being
delivered to him. Now he's got to make a
conscious decision. He's going to keep
propagating a lie,
>> right? The same the same Vinnie I
remember he was arguing with uh Mr.
Sausnik uh about how many so many
thousands of kids are dying in Gaza.
That that sentiment that he had, right,
was his fra
>> That's good from his heart. Yeah, that's
good. So, we like Vinnie.
>> Yeah,
>> we want good for him. Yeah.
>> May Allah guide him. May Allah get him
and and Patrick. Yeah, those guys, man.
May Allah guide them and and you know,
make
>> Look at that. I mean, look at that. What
kind of love Muslims, we're not here
attacking you. who were saying, "May God
Almighty guide you." Look at that. May
the creator guide you. Look at that.
>> Especially those that are ignorant. I
don't even really I hold it against them
when they're in front of a camera and
stuff, but it's like, "Look, you're
ignorant." I have more sympathy for you
because you're ignorant. Someone that
has knowledge and they're using they're
using that to propagate something to
make money. Like some of the people you
had on there when Daniel was on there,
you did a great job. Mah that's where
it's like, "Okay, I have an issue with
you." You know what I'm saying? So with
him, I mean, it was more of, you know,
he doesn't he's very ignorant of the
religion and he's speaking about things
he doesn't have knowledge of. So when
when a Muslim says you're lying, he
needs to, okay, if he's really serious
about learning, he's okay, how am I
lying? Tell me. That's where we see
you're sincere and that's where you want
to learn. Sometimes Patrick David is
like that, but you know, with with
Vinnie can tell it's just something he's
been told or it's been a tweet or it's
been a real. That's where he learns
Islam and that's a problem.
>> How do you go from a default? Help us
understand because there's context to
verse. There are verses in there for
combat.
>> Help the layman who now he's pushed
these verses and he sees certain things
in the Quran and it seems like they only
pick on Islam, right? And you can you
can you can go ahead and do the same
thing with the Bible. M
>> and I think a lot lot of these uh
extreme groups elements I think they
would actually have more justification
for what they're doing taking things out
from the Bible if we want to play that
game because you have things in there
that that talk about indiscriminate
taking out unaliving of women
non-combat just annihilation AC across
the board you don't have that in Islam
Muhammad said clearly do not in combat
take out women innocent um children,
women, elders,
>> don't even chop off a tree.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. So, I mean, yeah. I mean, there's
there's there's etiquette in everything
that we do and it has an ultimate
>> purpose. These are war. These are
combat. How would you define the word
the combat verses versus the default?
Like when I talked to him, I said the
default is 6 chapter 60:8 where it says
clearly God, Allah, the creator, which
he said he has, he showed me he has
mashallah somewhere on his body.
>> Who?
>> He does.
>> Vinnie.
>> Vinnie. He has mashallah because he's a
he's a Syrian or um
>> you know they speak Arabic so they also
use the same terminology. Interesting.
Yeah. He has mashallah when I met him.
>> So um I told him look chapter 60:8 says
Allah God almighty does not forbid you
from dealing kindly and justly with
those who have not fought you because
your religion or driven you out of your
homes.
>> Right?
>> Is that the tell me is that the default?
And how do you contextualize the other
verses that he's
referring to that somehow, you know,
that are not there, but he's misquing
it, but there are there are there's
verses for when you're in combat.
>> Yeah. I mean, there there's there's I
mean, like you mentioned, there's
there's context to it. So, like there to
deny that there's combat that's
mentioned in the Bible is ludicrous.
>> Just combat,
>> right? Huh?
>> How would you define just combat? What
do you mean
>> just where you're defending your home,
you're defending your society, you're
fighting against oppress things like
this, not just going they're trying to
make it seem like now we're commanded to
take out unal alive Christians just like
that
>> just cuz they're Christian.
>> If we have authority just take them out.
>> No. Exactly. And that's where I mean
even when you look at you know during
the times of the companions there were
Christians that lived amongst them
>> that they were allowed you the people
that are under the protection of the
Muslims and there would be a tax that's
paid the Jiza. So we this is the same
thing here in the states. we pay taxes
because we live in a certain land with
certain certain uh rules. So when
looking at this the combat there is a
context with that to deny that there are
no there are no levels of aggression
when it comes to establishing or
maintaining a nation that's not being
that's being delusional. When we look
throughout history there's always been
war. There's always been people that
have been the oppressor and they've been
the oppressed. There's always been
people that have been stronger and want
to take out the weak and lack of in a
just in a just or non-just way actually.
So when looking at this, when we see
these verses, it's more of okay, what is
the context behind it rather than uh
just saying that it's every situation
and all of the Muslims in America are
disobedient because they have not unal
alive the Christians there yet. If
that's where you're understanding the
verse to be that way, that means all the
Muslims are disobedient. So it has to be
something that is a wrong understanding
and needs to be modified and understood.
So we talked about the baseline. It is
mercy. It is rah. It is helping your
neighbor.
>> Baseline. That's the baseline. baseline
understanding is that to be merciful, to
be loving, to want good for them as you
want for yourself, this is what is the
baseline for every single Muslim. But
when it comes to combat, if I was to go,
if I was to go, I was on a train one
time, subhan Allah, and then I saw this
this man. He looked kind of high and you
know, he had a backpack and he was
falling, leaping over. So, I'm thinking,
I don't know what's in his backpack, but
if he harasses these girls again, I have
to do something. Aggression will be have
you have to take a level of aggression.
the person that is applying aggression
to steal a woman's purse, you have to
apply more force and aggression to
defend her. So, it's the same concept
generally speaking when speaking about
this combat. So, when you just just
generalize like that, that's very very
irresponsible. It's unfair and um you
know, it it really can put other Muslims
at risk when they walk out, especially
Muslim women.
Is it Immi where he said this particular
statement from the last and final
messenger sent to mankind prophet
Muhammad he said one is not a true
believer unless he loves for his brother
what he loves for himself. This is the
global brotherhood of humanity.
>> Yeah. Would you agree with that opinion
that this is for global humanity for
everyone?
>> Yeah I would take I would take that
opinion in general. Yeah. I mean in
general particularly yes. I mean imi has
an opinion that
none of you truly loves unless he loves
with his brother he loves for himself.
you know, loving for humanity, loving
for that person to be guided.
>> So, I love this good for Vinnie.
>> I love for humanity for everybody for
and now how if we're commanded if you
you got to be you got to be really like
uh really breeded now to have a mindset
like what they're I to really if you're
going to be uh Islam is teaching you to
just take out unlive people. You just I
mean no rahma, no mercy. You're just a
ticking ticking uh time bomb ready to
explode to take them out.
>> Yeah, we all missed that part of Islam
when we heard about it. I don't know,
man. Yeah, but I mean like it everyone
needs love and everyone can feel love,
you know. I'm almost sure PBD showed
them a level of love to where they want
to stay with him and they're being
mentored by him and inspired by him, you
know. So when it becomes to a Muslim
showing that love and that's why it's so
important because Islam came to
transcend all the cultural barriers
which serves as a huge barrier for the
exemplification and showing love even
within the Muslim community you know so
when people see that you just love them
because they're human it's another level
and I think that's the part that we as
Muslims have to take it upon ourselves
and and bear that responsibility are we
really showing ing love and care for
people that don't share our faith, but
even before faith that don't share our
particular nationality.
I mean, you see what's going on. I saw
what was happening with this world, the
um Morocco and Sagal and I think that
was disgusting. Like to be the majority
of them were Muslim.
>> Fill us in what people who don't know
what you're talking about.
>> So, what happened with the the soccer
game between Sagal and Morocco and the
way that you know I mean let's just it
was it's on television.
the way that we saw people that were on
the Moroccan team acting, taking the
towel away from the goalie uh the
president of FIFA not wanting to give
the trophy to the Seneagalles that won
and the way that there was potential
violence after the game. You know, this
is this is unacceptable in the name of
sports.
>> Where was this?
>> This was in Morocco.
>> In Morocco and what was the opposing
team? It was
>> Sagal.
>> And Sagal won.
>> Okay.
>> And because they won, there was a lot of
bad sportsmanship.
>> Uhhuh. from the Moroccan team and from
those that I'm not going to say
Moroccans because I'm not going to put a
paintbrush, but we saw the the sentiment
that was from the people that were in
charge from the president of FIFA, one
of them, and then also from some of the
people on the Moroccan team. There was
no level of accountability. There was
nothing that was speaking about some of
the blatant racism that took place. And
you know, Subhan Allah, this is
unacceptable in Islam.
>> Yes.
>> Unacceptable. Are these are these uh
players you classify as Muslim?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So, we'd condemn that. I don't
know anything about how we condemn this
is we don't have a problem like
condemning this.
>> No, we don't have a problem condemning
it because it's something that does not
express it's a racism expresses the lack
of love of them being human to where you
classify them then further discriminate
them because you stereotype them because
of certain things that they may do as a
genius of people. That's where it's a
problem.
>> So, you have to look at people
individually and have that love for them
as humans. So someone like Vinnie,
someone that you know it's very
important as a person that is a Muslim
to approach them and to what did Allah
tell tell Moses,
he told Moses and Aaron, go tell Pharaoh
a gentle statement.
Perhaps he'll be someone that will be
reminded and will have fear and and and
and awe of Allah subhanahu wa tala. So
this is the same case. You just have to
know that they are very very ignorant
and then speak to them with love wanting
to wanting for them to be guided. What
would you say for the people who um and
and just to go back a little bit
sometimes this is um something when we
discuss these things as ridiculous as
they are because when we hear this it's
just it's it sometimes feels like these
are just um really asinine arguments
that bring up but here we are discussing
it but you're an educator you know you
know this de it's like you told me was
this the part of Islam we missed it's
like it's like they're they're they're
teaching us um Isl Islam. Where did they
get this from? It's just really
ridiculous when they bring this up. But
you you have battles that were fought by
Prophet Muhammad. How was he supposed to
when he's protecting his people? He's
the head of state. How is he supposed to
go ahead and defend his community,
defend people who are being tortured,
persecuted?
What is he supposed to um what was he
supposed to do?
>> Right. Exactly. He has to defend defend
himself, defend his family. Yeah. Right.
as any as any honorable man would do.
>> But they call him a warlord now,
>> right? I mean, again, that's it's it's
the wording. It's it's certain context
and then which leads you to believe that
it's a certain agenda.
>> It's a certain agenda. It's a certain
marketing scheme. It's a certain way
that they want to opiate the masses.
Right. So,
>> all right. So let's close and tell me uh
what advice would you have for people
like Vinnie himself uh and people his
followers and others who've kind of
fallen victim to this uh hate
propaganda.
>> I would say take it upon yourself to
learn from people that are educated in
Islam. You can bring your frustrations,
ask the questions, but ask from a place
of wanting to know and not ask from a
place of direct insinuations. It's
really it's something that's felt when
you come and ask a question. you're
making an assumption about who he is as
a person and holds dearly. So, it's
really speaking with a level of respect
and honor of him as a human being and
love for him as a human being and
wanting him to come to what you may
believe is the right way. That's the way
to approach it.
>> Imam Abdullah,
>> thank you again for um being with us
here.
>> May Allah bless you. I I mean you too