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quick and come right back.
>> Who is the world champion jiu-jitsu
player? He is the lightest combatant of
everybody. I think he weighs 176. No
rules. Guys bigger than him and he's
wearing his ghee. Everyone else looks
like big old street thugs.
>> Every man was a champion on their own
style. Style against his style. The
winner moves on. The loser goes home.
>> What made you decide to fight with the
ghee on?
>> It's a trap. Human instinct. Grab on. If
I have nothing to grab, what am I going
to do? I'm gonna punch you.
>> He didn't tell me that he was like a
phenomenal. You know what I'm saying?
He's a legend.
>> For most people, our introduction to
Brazilian jiu-jitsu was you in UFC 1.
>> Grappling is a very, very interesting
art. I the
show. This is the dean show. This is the
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This is the show. This is the show. This
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[Applause]
Now for the younger generation who know
about Khabib and Hamzat.
Before them there was the original UFC
champ. It's my friend and my brother Ho
Gracie.
>> How are you sir?
>> How are you brother? How you been?
>> Life is good in my world. No complaints.
>> Very nice to see you here again with us
>> again.
>> How you been?
>> Traveling the world living life. You
just came back from the 100redy year
anniversary. Yes, that was awesome. How
was that? It was It was good. There was
about um I want to say that was about
900 students on the mat. That was the
biggest class I ever seen. 900 students.
That was at least about 50 Gracies.
>> 50 Gracies
>> teaching walking around the whole
family.
>> Not not count. Not the whole family. No,
not that's not even a quarter of the
family.
>> Who was there? Some names you mentioned.
Hulker before was there. Hul was there.
Hon
was there.
>> How's he doing? How's
>> Helson's
son?
You know, I haven't met Her
did not make it. Her could not make
could not go.
>> But there was a lot of K
Hixon. How about Hixon?
>> Hixon could not make it either.
>> How's he doing? How's his health? How's
Hixon doing?
>> Um,
he got the the
uh parkinson, right? Parkinson Muhammad
Ali.
>> Yes.
>> So
>> he's trying. He's He's He's a fighter.
He's a fighter. So he's not going to
just give up. Oh my god, I got this. No.
>> Yeah.
>> He does. Hixon doesn't give up. We don't
give up.
>> Yeah.
>> He got his problems, but he learn We
learned how to deal with it.
>> So they're not problems. They're
solution. And that's one thing that
jiujitsu teach people how to how to deal
with situation under stress.
>> Yeah. how to make a decision, how to do
you see how to to decide which way to go
under stress.
>> So you get caught in arm lock, you get
caught in a choke and you got a fraction
of a second to decide to escape and
>> Yeah.
>> So
>> Hian, was Hian there?
>> No, Hin could not make it either.
>> Okay. But you got a lot to see a lot of
lot of the family members.
>> A lot of cousins. Yes. A lot of cousins.
>> It was fun. It was fun to see. Now, now
I mentioned when I open up when I when I
opened up I mentioned many people um
they know about Khabib and now you have
Hamzat champion but before all of them
because there's new generations
uh you know before all of them we had
hoist Gracie who's sitting here with me
you know and let's talk about a little
bit uh because a lot of these young
youngsters now they need to be uh
educated some of them this was way
before uh the internet right
>> before I mean on the beginning
>> no internet We didn't have YouTube.
>> No. No. There was no studying the
opponents.
>> Come on, man. Don't Don't Don't give my
age out. Okay. Don't call me that. Are
you calling me old?
>> I remember. I I remember because look,
>> there was no internet. Really? Thanks
for reminding me.
>> I was watching you and um
>> we use smoke signal back then
>> after the UFC. I I remember the VHS
tapes. It was Han and you remember the
tapes?
>> Yeah. The self-defense
action fights in Brazil.
>> Yeah. in action. So go ahead. What were
you saying?
>> Well, in the beginning was a was a a
style against a style.
>> Yeah.
>> So people were trying always had the
question of which style is the best.
>> Yeah.
>> But nobody wants to step in and and try.
You see like karate or kung fu, they're
all good, but which one is the best?
Karate or kung fu? People did not want
to step on each other's toes. All we did
is, okay, let's put it to the test. Take
the rules, take the time limit, the
weight division, and put karate against
kung fu. See what which one's the best.
Get the best karate guy, the best kung
fu guy. And that's how the UFC got
created. Those mats you see that you um
saw here where you stayed, the mats, the
green ones, those are original mats that
I had when I just started, those mats.
And I used to be bringing people in in
the beginning and we had the Gracie um
challenge matches in my house or in my
basement on those mats
>> do
>> and I selling jiu-jitsu but then you
know you can talk about it they said get
out of here what you said come let's try
and then I'm you know most of the
challenges that we had before the UFC
back in the garage days when we used to
teach in the garage and even when we
opened up the first Grace Academy in
Torrance
Um Hin was not trying to or or he was
not trying to and he was not telling us
beat up the opponent. It's a fight.
>> No, he would tell me, he'll tell the
students. Hard always says says man,
let's convince the guy, educate him and
convince him to become a student. So
beat him without hurting him. That's
what the guys will come in if most
likely they will become a students
because they will try the karate style,
the boxing, the wrestling, they will try
and will subdue them without hurting
them. Most of the time they they became
students. So the first you had the first
UFC,
then the second at what point it
actually got banned at one point, right?
There was no time limits. For those that
don't know, people right now, they're
seeing the modernday UFC, but back if we
take them back at your time, no time
limits. What else? No weight, no weight.
It was a g gentleman's rule not to bite.
>> Bite and I gouge. That's the only rule.
>> That was like a gentleman's like
agreement.
>> But there was no disqualification.
>> Yeah. But you
>> But there was no time limit
>> even in the groin. You
>> no weight division,
no gloves, but
>> groin shots. Yes. Okay. Go. All good. Go
ahead.
>> Now you can't. you can what happens
right now you cannot uh do any of those
things that's all the part of the rules
>> they had to unify the rules to make it
because the thing is on the beginning we
could do only do the UFC on u on the
states I if I remember correctly the
states that did not have athletic
commission or boxing commission
>> so I think was Denver Colorado did not
have a boxing or athletic commission so
we could get way we're doing it over
there. Um, injured reservations.
So, they tried to ban some places.
>> It was that senator, that congressman
that was that he was really John McCain.
>> That was him. Yeah.
>> He was against because he was part of
the boxing commission, I guess. Yeah. He
was
>> I heard that he was part of So, he was
trying to ban the UFC because the UFC
was getting momentum
>> in calling everybody.
>> It's gonna now affect boxing and his
people getting paid on. So they but then
they had to unify the rules the time
limit to make it approve to be approved
by the the athletic commission but then
it was banned for some time right or
these play it stopped kind of slowed
down for for a while you it got a bad
publicity but it had to be done that
way.
>> Yeah.
>> It's two men walk in one man walk out.
It had to have that kind of publicity. I
don't know if you remember the movie Mad
Max Thunderdome.
>> Yeah I think so. Yeah. It's like they
build a cage and two men walk in fight
to the death and it was like they had to
do that kind of publicity to shock
everybody to call the attention in the
beginning
>> when the Dana White cuz people now know
Dana White but before Dana White it was
Hy and Gracie
>> H with
Art Davey and John Millers the producer
director for Conan the Destroyer the
Dirty Harry uh the producer him Art Davy
and Semford Entertain Entertainment SCG
with Bob Myitz. They're the ones that
got together
>> and create the first UFC. There was no
Dana White at that time. No, it was uh
then after that I think it was after UFC
five or six that Hon sold the show to
>> Many people don't know about this these
early be I mean how the Gracies were the
ones okay that actually started the UFC
>> with no gloves.
>> Yeah.
>> And then then how long after what year
was the first UFC?
>> 93.
>> 93. So then when did Dana White jump in
and uh I don't remember.
>> Was it the Fente brothers? They came and
bought it. The the
>> the two brothers,
>> Fertilla Brothers.
>> They're the ones who bought it from
Horian.
>> Yes. They bought it from Auto. I think
they're the ones that they that bought
it and then D White came in with them.
>> Yeah. Does Horian like look back say,
"Man, I shouldn't have sold this."
>> No, the message was done.
>> It was done. The message was accomplish.
>> The message The mission was acco the
message was done. The message was trying
to find which style of martial art is
the best style cuz every back then was a
se every bar was learning single styles
and we prove that graitsu was the best
self-defense style out there.
>> Mhm.
>> So
>> by far
>> and then and then people now today they
don't learn one style anymore. Everybody
is learning everything. They learn
standup style from karate, taekwond do,
from boxing, kickboxing to judo to take
downs, judo, wrestling, and the
submissions from jiujitsu and control on
the ground. So, and su and everybody's
learning everything now.
>> Now, that gave birth to MMA.
>> MMA. Yes.
>> Mixed martial arts that came,
>> right?
>> Good times.
>> How do you What?
>> That was the evolution. It happened.
Yeah.
>> So, Harden feeling regret. I don't I
never he never No, he I talked to him
about it. He's like, "Nope. We did our
job."
>> How's he doing? Was he Did he show up?
>> He couldn't make it to the the Brazilian
the Brazil 100 years of Greece.
>> He's been on the Dean show twice. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> Oh, is very good.
>> Yeah. I enjoy talking with him. Yeah.
>> He knows history.
>> Yeah.
>> You want to talk about the history? He
knows all the dates. And who who are who
are and and I really want people because
again for the younger generations I mean
again I mentioned Khabib Hamzad but they
there would be no UFC there would be no
Khabib or Hamzat you know being
champions if there was no UFC and there
wouldn't be UFC I mean if it wasn't for
the Gracie family hoist Gracie so going
back to those beginnings knowing this
history is very important then your
father and
>> I got to fix this if not if was there
was no Hoy Gracie people never saw me
fighting. Yeah.
>> That's why I tell people, I saw you
fighting. No, you didn't. You saw the
technique.
>> Yeah.
>> It wasn't this beautiful face. It's
like, so you saw the technique of a 180
lb person, 178, 180 lb person defend
themsel, defend himself and subduing
somebody bigger and stronger and
champion of their style without hurting
the opponent. You I'll choke the guys
out. The guy's 240, 250, 260, 300 lb.
I'll choke them out, subdue them without
hurting them. So that will shock the
world, what impressed the world.
>> Who were your toughest fights? Would you
say the top three toughest toughest
fights from those earlier UFC's?
>> Toughest fights is inside of my head, my
imagination.
>> What I think the opponent's going to do.
>> I got to wake up every morning, not back
then, today. I got to wake up today and
deal with that monster inside of my
head. If I can win, I'll get out of bed.
If on the day that I lose to that
monster inside of my head, I'll stay in
bed.
>> I went back and looking before um
preparing for this interview to go look
at some old old uh fights and I was
watching a few of them. The Keith
Hackne, he was a really tough guy. He
was a karate guy, right?
>> He the guy hard very hard hit. Yeah,
>> very hard hit. He hit the top of my
head.
>> I saw his punch coming. I duck. I was
like, "Oh, hit the top of the head
twice." that as soon as we went to the
ground, I passed my gear on to see
because I thought for sure he cut my
head open. That's how hard he hit.
>> I saw the punch coming in slow motion. I
was like, "Oh no, duck." It's like head
down. He hit the top of the head.
>> Mhm.
>> I saw for sure I thought I was going to
get stitches on my head. That's how hard
he hit.
>> But it didn't cut open.
>> Did not cut open.
>> Wow. Yeah. And then you finished.
>> I have a hard head.
>> Yeah. And then uh Yeah. You finished
with armlock.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. Had him in the guard. But he was
tough and he knew
>> he studied my style
>> and he was keeping the distance. He
didn't hold the g keep me away. Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> And then uh Dan Severn that was a long
fight.
>> Dan Severn then the B7 man. It's a
watch what he did. What's more
impressive is watching what he did to
the opponents before me.
>> Mhm.
>> How he slammed people left and right,
throwing them on their heads and
destroying them like there was nothing.
You see, it's like because if you only
see my fight with him, h it's not that
impressive. But you see what he's able
to do, what he did to the opponents
before me, he was like, "Oh my god, this
guy's unstoppable. Not there's no way
nobody can beat him." 260 plus pounds,
all American wrestler until he run into
me.
>> He run into me. That's when he had a
hard time. He didn't know how to finish
the fight. Wrestling is very good, but
they don't have submissions. So he
couldn't finish the fight.
>> I can imagine. How how was his pressure
from the top?
>> Oh, very heavy.
>> Very heavy. Right.
>> Very heavy. He knows how what you say
>> 265. 260 265.
>> 265. And what are you at? 1778.
>> So
>> again now,
>> but he know it's not just that he's
heavy. He's not just heavy. He knows how
to use his weight. He's a wrestler. All
American wrestler. He knows.
>> So that 260
>> body position.
>> Yeah. When you putting that pressure,
that's like, you know,
>> 350.
>> 350. Yeah. It's like that much weight.
The base is so good.
>> So, but you see what he did before he
run into me and that's that's what's
shocking.
>> Mhm.
>> And then he couldn't finish me. We did
wait for we went for like 16 minutes 16
and a half minutes fighting and that's
when I finish him. And back then there
was no time limit. There was no rounds.
>> Mhm.
>> So it's not like today five minutes.
>> That's like right now you have the time
limits back then. Now that's set your
175. He's 260. So that's like almost 80
80 90 lbs difference.
>> That's huge.
>> Did you feel sore after that fight?
>> Oh, even if every fight you're always
sore. It doesn't matter when you finish
the fight, you always sore.
>> Even if you don't take a hit, the
adrenaline
comes out, everything is sore.
>> And then who haven't seen, they got to
see that fight. It's out there now.
Chemo now. He's coming out and he's that
that he's carrying a cross
>> and that's all 250 pounds.
strong.
>> He's coming out there.
>> That was probably the strongest guy.
>> He's the strongest guy.
>> What was his His background was what?
Taekwondo.
>> What was he?
>> I think he said Taekwondo, but he's more
of a brawler fighter. He has a street
fighter.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Wild man. And he was wild.
>> You finished with Armlock.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> But that guy is like you at that fight,
it was a wrong fight. It's one of those
I did not use strategy. That's the first
thing. After the fight, my brothers came
up to me and like, "What happened? What?
How come you you did not use technique?
You went straight on head-to-head with
him?" Cuz I heard he was strong and I
decide to match strength with him.
>> Yeah.
>> 250 178.
He won on the strength.
>> Yeah.
>> Got both of us exhausted. But then on
the end I the technique
that I applied from defending myself and
applying the arm lock subdue him.
>> But it was a it was a wrong strategy
that one.
>> Yeah. But uh at the at the end then you
continued. So that was what was
>> that fight with Kim was pure just heart
man. I would say that was a no strategy.
No, it was just I left everything on the
locker room, the technique and just went
just with the heart to fight him.
>> Who was there from the fat? You had uh
you had Hoker was there, right? Helen
>> on the first UFC on the
>> when you guys used to do the train. You
used to do the train.
>> That was the first UFC we started that
was Ha Hulson
Honixon
all the brothers.
>> Yeah.
>> More to get my father to get the energy
from everybody.
>> That was amazing seeing that. Yeah,
those are the original. That was Yeah,
the Gracie train.
>> What do you think, nine? Did you see Did
you see this latest uh Hamza fight?
Hamza was here. He was at at my cousin
Idris's uh gym. He had the the training
camp
>> and it was um after he won.
>> Yeah, he didn't win. He dominated.
>> He dominated. But now, what do you say
for some people like, "Oh man, this is
like they should really pissed me off is
when they started standing them up, you
know, a couple times he stood them up.
They sep the ref separated. He's on top.
He's on the bottom. He gets him down and
then they stopped it. That's something I
think they should change. Like when you
finish a round, I think you should go
back to where you were. And not only
that, when he had him, the round wasn't
even ended. At one point he a couple
times the ref made them stand back up.
What do you think about?
>> Uh that's why I like the no time limit
because sometimes the guy's about to
finish the arm bar or choke the bell
rings. Ah, it's this famous save by the
bell. Do you see? or I'm you're mounted
on the opponent pounding him, the bell
rings. Ah, I don't like that.
>> You should let it go.
>> Unless if they're both
>> separated, let's say away from each
other or in a neutral position, let's
say, then we'll stop the round.
>> But if the guys about to win, the bell
ring, continue. Let it go. See what
happens until he escape.
>> Not be counting to the bell, you see.
>> Yeah. saving the guy's getting punched,
punched, punched, punched. The bell
ring,
let it go a little bit to see if he's
going to escape or if he's going to
quit.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
>> so what what were you saying? What would
you what would you say? Complete
domination. You see, for the untrained
eye, they're watching this. Some people,
oh, it's boring. It's just like he's
holding him down, but it was amazing.
>> But that's the difference in between if
you if you go to a fight like this in
Japan,
>> the crowd appreciate silence on the
crowd. They appreciate and the guy will
do a move or escape. The crowd claps and
and then quiet again.
>> The corners can talk to the fighters.
There's no silence on the stick because
they appreciate the technique. Sometimes
over here I mean all over the world the
people wants to see the the the blood
and stand them up. Let them not hit each
other knock them out. You see, they get
that that's what what
please the crowd.
>> Yeah.
>> But in Japan, the fight in Japan is
different. They they appreciate the
technique. You get caught in ara and you
escape, the crowd claps. My god, that
was a good escape.
>> Yeah.
>> And then quiet again.
>> Mhm.
>> Wow. I don't know. Tell me if you do you
remember how old you were here?
I don't know if I showed you this
before.
You know who that is?
Uh,
>> no. Hold on.
>> Can't recognize him. Let me see.
>> But now
>> see his face.
No. Who is that?
>> But here's the guy I'm talking about.
Now he's coming. This guy.
>> Oh, that's me.
I thought I was talking about the
fighters over there. The guys competing.
No, but this is You don't recognize this
one here? That's you. You're coaching.
But this guy,
>> I'm I'm the ref.
>> But you know who this is?
>> Who? Who you refing?
>> Who is that?
>> That's me.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> When was this?
>> This was uh
>> in one one of the tournaments that we
did back at the Gracie Academy
tournaments.
>> No, no, this was in this was in
Michigan.
>> In Michigan. Okay.
>> In Detroit, I think it was.
>> Yeah. This is
>> Oh, man. I had hair over there. How long
ago was that?
>> Yeah. You're refing You're refing my
match.
>> Yeah.
>> Nice.
>> Wow. Yeah. So amazing. Just going back
in time, it just takes me, you know, I
remember the original days back in the
'9s,
>> late 90s going up. I used traveled to to
Torrance there. That's when Kaik was
teaching and
>> you were there and the old academy and
Torrance,
>> the Grace Academy.
>> That's where the challenge matches were,
right?
>> Yes. on downstairs on the downstairs on
the on the private on the
>> tell tell us for people that don't
understand what we're talking about you
know what were what were these you
literally had people now coming in
bringing their kung fu karate
instructors because you guys put out a
challenge message okay if you think your
style is the best come let's let's put
it to the test
>> students who come in and and sometimes
they would let us know hey my I take
karate on the side I train with you guys
and take wrestling or judo or whatever
Yeah.
>> And
my instructor over there, I told him
about you guys and he doesn't believe.
He wants to come in and test it out. So
our job was to convince the that the the
instructor to become a student too. So
he would come in very polite. It was not
out of hand. No, very polite. Thank nice
to meet you guys. Thank you for having
me. Can can I I would like to try out. I
heard you guys do this valitud or MMA
style or everything goes um karate
against different style. So we just kind
of okay let's go. You do your thing,
I'll do my thing. So he will come in if
he's a karate guy or kung fu guy or
whatever style and he'll try to use
their style and and we subdue them
without hurting them. We try just kind
of maybe a slap on the face just to show
who's the boss, do you see? And but the
idea is to make them become students.
>> Mhm.
>> It wasn't to beat them up. That was
hard. Always make sure do not drop blood
on this guys.
>> If you get lose your head cuz sometimes
in the middle of the fight you lose your
head. Open hand slap only. But do not
throw a elbow and cut the guy's face
open. Please. Hard to make sure to to
tell me and tell the students. A lot of
the students did that sometimes. I just
wasn't always me. the students would do
it too.
>> I heard you say something very um
touching. You said because he's your
older brother, he was like a second
father to you.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Horian. I live with him. I came to
America. I was 17 years old.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's when I was living with him.
>> Mhm.
>> For a long time.
>> Yeah. So, um you recently were in Bosnia
also. Tell us about that.
>> Awesome trip.
>> You enjoy Bosnia?
>> Idri is a good host.
The hotel was very nice. Uh the class
was a full class. We got a full class
over there.
>> A lot of potential.
>> Uh-huh.
>> And then we sightseeing.
>> How was the sightseeing? How was just
the country, the people where they
>> I got to tell you that before I went
when I asked me, let's go to Boston, I
was thinking, oh my god, I'm going to go
to war zone.
>> Awesome.
>> But then there's no there's no war zone.
It's like
>> Did you see some of the remnants still?
You
>> but there was no war zone. There was no
very peaceful, very mellow, very clean
>> people were nice. You see no troubles,
no
>> very everybody very well receiving the
group that that went with that went with
Idris. People called Bosnia the
Jerusalem of Europe. Did you know that?
>> No. Nice. the Jerusalem of Europe
because um this is where you see many of
the the multicultural where you see um
people from all different religions and
they come you know there they live there
peacefully it's a beautiful day
>> the food is awesome
>> chap chap
>> chap very nice
>> some uh pa
>> the pa yeah
>> the food the the place the north north
no east meets me
>> east that's the bashia That's the old
town
>> area. The old town.
>> Old town. That's beautiful, huh? Takes
you like It's no modern. And then uh
>> in the mountains.
>> In the mountains. Yeah.
>> So, we did everything. It's just fast
trip, but we did everything like in 4
days.
>> So, part two soon hopefully. Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Tell me. So, then you I everyone I mean
most people who know you know that
you're into um shooting and rifles, but
you're also now into to bow hunting.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. I I like all the weapons
>> and I did some of the shooting. The guys
taught me a very good class when I was
in Bosnia, too.
>> So, they taught me a very good class.
>> How's the transition for bow hunting?
But before they didn't have the guns,
now the with the uh
>> Okay. With the rifle,
if I see it, I can shoot it.
>> Yeah.
>> With bow, I got to be close up close.
It's like ah 30, 40 yards, you see? So
to get that close to an animal, man,
it's a whole new challenge. They smell
well, they see well. So you got to be
able to hide movement. Uh you got to
smell they can the animal can see it. So
it's just the challenge of getting this
close to the animal. It's like it's
unbelievable.
>> Mhm.
>> It's not even the just it's not to kill
the animal. I'm not doing to kill the
animal. It's more of the challenge of
getting close
>> to the animal. Do you see? It's like a
wild beast and and you get that close,
it's like
>> feeling.
>> You showed me that uh the deer. Was that
that was with uh was that with the
>> That was a rifle.
>> Did you ever do Did Were you able
hunting with the bow? Did you I hunt elk
before with the bow? Yes.
>> Did you catch any?
>> Just make it clear.
>> Yeah.
>> Whatever I kill, I eat.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. The heads at my house, the hides at
my house, the the meats at my house.
Everything comes home with me. the
leftovers they are the animals who eat.
>> Yeah.
>> So there's no wasting. There's no
killing for the fun of it. Just make
sure for the viewers to know that. I got
to make clear on that.
>> Yeah.
>> So, but yes, I hunt before with a elk
with a bow.
>> Mhm.
>> 30 yards shot. I hunt deer.
>> But I mean, we live in modern day age,
but when you go back, I mean, how else
hunter gather? This is how you got to go
out and get the food. How you have
>> If you don't hunt, you don't eat.
>> Exactly. So you got to learn, you got to
know how to take the the hide that way
that use the hide to become blankets and
and use the the meat and everything.
Nothing gets to goes to waste.
>> Yeah.
>> Here with Hoy Gracie. We're going to
take a break and we'll be right back.
>> Do you know anything about Islam?
>> No.
>> Do you know anything about Islam?
>> No, sadly.
>> Do you know anything about Islam?
>> Uh, not really.
>> Do you know anything about Islam?
No, I'm sorry.
>> You know what Islam means?
>> Islam?
>> Uh, no.
>> We've been told that uh they're out
there. Well, that's what they say on TV.
>> Anything. I know it's in the Middle
East, isn't it?
>> Well, that you're going to have four
wives.
>> Brothers and sisters, as you can see,
there are so many Americans who don't
know about Islam. We need your help to
change that.
back here with the legend Hois Gracie
and giving you guys for those who have
kind of um not studied the history. We
we start off with that uh really
important history lesson. I mean going
back into the the start of the the UFC
and now how's how's life going now? How
is it? You're doing a lot of seminars.
>> But before even the UFC,
>> please tell me we have to go back in
Brazil. It didn't start on the year.
>> Yeah.
>> It start back in Brazil when my family
first uh uh learn and start to teach.
That's when they became a quest for them
to find out which style of martial arts
the best.
>> So they started that back in Brazil long
time ago. They could not just teach
the m the art and but they had to put it
to the test.
What if I fight somebody bigger,
stronger? So, this whole quest start
back in Brazil.
>> Okay, we're going to go deeper now. My
uncle, my uncles, my father, my cousins,
my brothers back in Brazil. And then
when Hon came to America and that's when
you what happens in Brazil, people don't
know. So even today, people don't hear
about it. You see, and we do have all
this technology, but what happens in
Brazil stays in Brazil. So they when
Horum came to America, nobody knew about
Graceu, who Lu Grace and K Gracie was.
So that's when Hor okay, I got to start
teaching. I got to start to uh build up
the name over here. So he brought the
same concept from Brazil to America.
>> So now we're going even deeper. We go
back to the two brothers. So then you
have Carlos and Helio.
>> It was actually five of them.
>> Five of them.
>> George,
>> George, Ovald, Gaston, Elu, and Carlos.
Yes.
>> And then how did they for the people
that don't know they hooked up with a a
Japanese was it businessman?
>> My as far as I remember my grandfather
who was doing business with a Japanese
gentleman in Brazil.
>> Yeah. And in exchange of good faith, he
taught um my uncle Carlos a class
and then but he was teaching Brazil some
other people and I guess my uncle got
hook up with the other people that
learned from the Japanese and learned
from them.
>> My uncles learned from them and then my
father could not do it. He was too
small.
>> So he learned by watching my uncles
teach class.
>> Mhm. So one day my uncle Carlos was late
for a class. My father jump in and told
the student, "Hey, I'll review the moves
with you. I can let's let's until my
brother gets here. I'll pass the
self-defense program on you and taught
the student a class." And he didn't
invent the juujitsu. He did the the new
juujitsu. He let's say he adapted for
himself cuz he was weak. Modified
modified a little bit
>> for himself. He had leverage into the
moves.
>> Mhm. And that's when my uncle showed up
on towards the end of the class showed
up apologizing. I'll replace the class.
The student look at my uncle like no no
no from now on if you don't mind I like
take class from
>> al
>> and that's when my father my uncles were
like hold on what did you show him? You
never done this you never you just watch
and how did you what did you do to
convince the student they could become
your student.
>> Mhm. So and that's when my father took
over the the juujitsu scene
>> and then from there then we got we fast
forward. So this is the beginnings now
you got some time how much how many
years now you got how many until the
actual UFC. Oh, that was many many years
>> because that was then became starting
once my father took then they start to
challenging people to put it to the test
to see if what they know was worth was
good enough to defend themselves in a
real fight. So they start fighting
people in Brazil and and then my cousins
came in and my brothers came in and
we're fighting people to prove to test
to see if Grace is just really working a
real fight and that's happening those
challenge matches Gracie and action are
happening in Brazil long before they
were happening here
>> before. Yes. In America and
>> and is this is where Hixon had most of
his fights
>> coming up growing up now?
>> He had a few fights. Yes. He had a lot
of fights, but some of them back in
Brazil. Yes.
>> Uh-huh. And the other family, Henzo,
everybody's
>> Everybody was fighting in Brazil. But
then until
But people in the world never heard
about it until Horton came to America.
Hordon taught for many years in America.
And then he decided, okay, by
the best way to advertisement, it would
be put on TV. So, let's create the UFC.
And that's when he came up with the
idea. Mhm.
>> Let's put a fight live fight going on on
TV.
A lot of people was against. A lot of
people was like, "Man, there's no way.
It's illegal to fight on the streets.
How you going to put two guys to fight
on live TV?" And that's when
pay-per-view came in play.
>> Mhm.
>> You see, Hard figure out the loopholes
and got together the pay-per-view people
and create the first UFC. And once
America found out, it spread to the
whole world.
>> There was people all over the world
looking at it. It's like because they
sent they brought Japanese gentleman to
fight. They brought hala Dutch guy to f
to fight.
>> So
that's when everybody was like, wait a
minute, what's is going on over there in
America?
>> And then on the second UFC came along,
it was 16. First one was eightman
tournament. Three fights in one night.
So it's not like today one fight it was
you had to fight three fights in the on
the same night. So you fight you win go
back the locker room the bracket keep
moving. If the next fight those fights
they had like between 10 to 15 minutes
resting between one fight and the other.
>> Mhm.
>> Finish fight 15 minutes later I'm back
in the cage fighting again.
>> So and then there was a
>> that that's another very important point
like right now how things are set up.
You got one fight one match that's it.
But back then you you had multiple
fights in one
>> no time limit. You go back to the locker
room, fight is over. Go back to the
locker room if you won. You just got to
breathe for a few minutes until the next
fight cuz it's a bracket. The bracket
doesn't stop.
>> Yeah.
>> So, wow.
>> This guy's fight, they win, they win.
But then the next one, this guy wins.
So, as soon as this guy fight win, he
got to go back to fight again.
>> Mhm.
>> So, cuz you got process of elimination
now brackets and then this one wins,
fights this one.
>> There's no commercial break.
You go back to the locker room and like,
"Okay, time is up. Got to go. Let's go.
Next fight coming up already. Can't stop
the show."
>> Wow.
>> So, the UFC 2 was four fights in one
night.
>> Mhm.
>> 16-man tournament. So, that's when
really shock everybody.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh, amazing. Wow. So, what lessons now
you you've come up and I heard you talk
about uh confidence, you know, training
into the martial arts. you have a lot of
um youth kids coming up nowadays they're
really you know experts that maybe
playing the Xbox and and sitting down
you know not being active but you know
just in general you know getting them
how important it is to be somebody who
trains martial arts to be somebody who's
active and what advice do you give
um sports in general teach kids
discipline you show up to a football
game without the right equipment. Sorry,
the coach is not going to play. He's not
going to let you play.
>> Mhm.
>> So, you have to have discipline. You
have to get up a certain hour. You have
to eat something before the match,
before the game. So, sports in general
give discipline.
>> Martial art jiujitsu gives confidence.
That's the DFS.
>> Mhm. You mentioned also the discipline.
Uh when I was listening to you talk
about many of the Dagistani fighters,
what separates them is this actual
discipline. Can you talk about that?
They're not, you know, worrying about
going to the nightclubs. They're worried
about there's no partying, there's no
alcohol, there's no smoking, drinking,
there's no day off, there's no um
that's one thing that my father, my
brother always talk to the family goes,
okay, horse is fighting. Don't bother
him. Don't ask him to watch the kids.
Don't ask him to babysit, to go to the
supermarket, to buy milk, to buy food
for the No, leave him alone.
>> You see, he's only got to think that's
discipline.
>> So, you can't have, oh, no, it's okay. I
can work. I can I can be home and with
the wife and kids and and then go train
for a fight. No, no, no. You got to
cancel all that. There's no birthdays.
There's no holidays. It's you have to be
disciplined to that point.
>> Mhm. And that's the difference. People
ask me all the time, what's the
difference of Distance? They're
disciplined. That's it.
>> Mhm.
>> There's no birthdays. There's no
holiday. There's no Sundays. Oh, it's
Sunday. I can drink.
>> No,
>> it's Sunday. I can I can eat junk food.
Nope.
>> You got to have discipline. That's the
main thing. I I saw the um you have a
whole I mean you've been traveling all
over the world. You got a whole list of
countries that you visited.
>> 63.
>> 63. Is Dagistan one of them?
>> I haven't been to Dagistan yet.
>> Okay.
>> One day.
>> And Saudi Arabia is probably next. I
haven't been there yet. We're working on
that.
>> We're working on that. Go to Mecca.
Yeah. So, um we're working on that. But
Dagistan, we'll see. We talked to um I
don't know why you haven't been to
Dagistan. You know, uh you know Rswan.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to talk to Razwan
and see what's going on. They have
>> I love to travel.
>> Yeah, let's get we got to get the hoist
down to Destan.
>> When I was in Bosnia,
>> that's manager. Hhabib's manager. Yeah.
>> When I was in Bosnia with Idris, he
asked me was like, how many countries
have you been?
>> And I was like, you know what? I never
stopped to to count.
>> Yeah.
>> So, right there in in in Bosnia, I start
to make the list.
>> It was 62. But then I went to Colombia
this year. So that's 63 now.
>> Mhm.
>> 62 was Bosnia.
>> Yeah.
>> 63 Colombia.
>> Wow.
>> And then um and in America I was I
stopped by might as well if I'm going to
count I'm going to count with all of
them. In America I have not been to
Maine and Rhode Island. That's the only
two states that I'm missing.
>> Men and Rhode Island. But now you're
also
>> I got to go just to to complete the
whole United States. I'm going to have
to come visit you there when you open
your school cuz you're not far from me.
We're almost like our neighbors from
where we're at in um
>> in Temple in Sarasota.
>> Yeah. In Sarasota, not too far.
>> Yeah. So, your school
>> it's on the work. It's going to take
about another year, year and a half.
>> We're building from ground up. So,
>> that's going to be exciting. Yeah.
>> Let you know when the grand open come.
>> Yeah. Did did we did we um did we miss
anything else that you like to um let
people know when you're talking about
the history that you know we so we
talked about now even went deeper into
the um the startings with the the
brothers and then the challenge matches
there and then we come here and I mean
and now it's what it's what it's evolved
to. Is there is there anything that you
like to point out
>> that that graciitu is a self-defense art
is not for martial art in general I
don't believe was for made for sports
for point season for tournaments I know
a lot of people don't like to hear they
they they like to compete but I believe
that martial art in general was made for
you to defend yourself in a street fight
situation
>> so all of them not Karate was not made
to score a point like a not last
Olympics in France but the one before
that I think was karate the guy knocked
the other one out. He got disqualified
for excessive force hit too hard. What a
shame. Karate was made to knock people
out. You see
>> so
I don't believe in point system. So I
tell people all the time, graceu is a
self-defense art for defend yourself in
a street fight situation. Not even to
beat up the opponent, but to defend
yourself.
>> That's exactly the system. I continue on
with that same protocol teaching. It's
the same thing. And I think that's been
kind of forgotten. And I think that's
very important that this is what it's
mainly started with self-defense.
A lot of people wants to go to
tournaments and
>> yeah,
it's not
>> from all the basic things that can
happen on the street from the being
because you'll see somebody who might
have a be a purple belt or whatnot but
cannot get out of like the basic
headlock
>> headlock or defend a punch.
>> Yeah.
>> You see, so you got to defend know how
to defend yourself in a street fight
situation
>> and and this is the essence of uh
Gracie.
>> Yeah. And we're here with Ho. Thank you,
Ho. It's always a pleasure to connect
with you
>> and uh hopefully next time we'll meet uh
in
>> let's go together to Bosnia.
>> Bosnia. We got Bosnia and then we got
Mecca coming up.
>> Saudi Arabia.
>> Yes. Thank you, brother. Always a
pleasure. God bless you. Zakalaamikum.
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