Building 7 was never hit by a plane. Why
did it fall down? There was never a
steel building that ever clashed. And
all the wackos would be like, "Building
seven, building seven." I'd be like,
"Shut up, wackos." And Donald Trump,
which I'll give you a copy. I've seen
it. In his own words, says, "I happen to
think that they had not only a plane,
but they had bombs that exploded almost
simultaneously cuz I just can't imagine
the evidence in the Twin Towers and the
third uh skyscraper. It was a
brainwashing operation." That's the
question. 60%
agreed with me about the questions I'm
raising about 911. 60% of the
respondents the Dean show.
Today we'll be talking about the biggest
event in US history that reshaped how
Americans viewed Islam and Muslims. But
alhamdulillah we are seeing the tide is
shifting. Conversations on this topic
are happening not just on the fringes
but in the mainstream. We're seeing it
on the news. Senators, members of
Congress are asking questions. Even some
of the biggest voices in media are
starting to ask these questions also
that were once considered offlimits. The
event that launched us into war after
war that reshaped how the American
public looked at Muslims and Islam, it's
being re-examined. For over two decades,
the shadow of that day reshaped our
foreign policy, our media, and the
subconscious of every American.
But now, something is changing. And to
talk about that shift, I'm joined
by someone who's been ahead of this
curve for years, probably the most
qualified people that I know to talk
about this topic. Dr. Kevin Barrett is a
PhD scholar, a former professor at the
University of Wisconsin. He was let go
not for misconduct, but for doing what
this country was once proud of,
encouraging students to think
critically, to question narratives,
freedom of speech, to explore
uncomfortable truths. His
outspokenenness brought him to Fox News.
Back in the book segment tonight,
there's a fringe gentleman out there
that believes the US government
orchestrated 9/11. That is President
Bush and the American military, killed
3,000 people. One of those pushing this
theory is Kevin Barrett, who actually
taught at the University of Wisconsin
this fall. He joins us now from Madison.
You know, there's no sense in debating
this issue. I had one of your compadres
on a couple of months ago. Well, you
know, uh, Bill, it's actually been one
of the best things that ever happened to
me. And in fact, we're not a fringe
element. The latest polls show that 84%
of the American people do not accept the
911 Commission report. Only 16% of the
American people believe the government
is telling the truth about poll. That's
a new That's a New York Times poll that
came out just several months ago. Stencb
BBC News uh printed. Why they're not
taking you back? Because you're
irresponsible. You can't back up what
you say. You're a propagandist. You
know, Bill, you've been calling you've
been saying I'm crazy uh every time
you've had the subject on on your show.
But you know something, maybe I am crazy
to go on the show with you, but you
know, I get email from a lot of people.
Most of it supportive, but some of those
people say I'm crazy. And whenever I get
one of those emails, I write back and I
say, you know, anybody who would email a
crazy person to tell them they're crazy
is crazy. And any show host who would
invite a crazy person on their show to
tell them they're crazy is even crazier.
So, I guess that makes two of us, Bill,
where he was famously debating Sean
Hannity. Most people think more. We just
uh had a poll here in Madison and we
found that 90% of the respondents of
channel 3000 poll uh said that I should
be allowed to teach. Only 10% said I
should%
agreed with me about the questions I'm
raising about 911. 60% of the
respondents I think you're in the
minority to speak. I don't think this is
the proper forum though for people that
hold extremist views like yourself.
Reasonable you guys are extremist. Fox
News is the biggest bunch of extremists
on the planet. But reasonable people see
you as an extremist and I don't think
you're the most appropriate guy to teach
that class. My my guess I don't think
you're the most appropriate guy to be on
the airwaves spewing your venom
throughout this country. I think you
guys should be taken off the airways
because you guys silence. At that time
his words, his views were controversial.
But today, the biggest name Fox News has
ever produced, Tucker Carlson, that's
right, is asking those very same
questions Dr. Barrett raised years ago.
Dr. Barrett, welcome to the show. Hey,
thank you, Eddie. Asalamu alaikum. Great
to be back with you. Walaykum. Salam.
Greetings of peace. How have you been?
I'm doing well. Alhamdulillah. We I
moved to Morocco about two years ago and
it was a little bit of an adjustment,
but it's gone great overall. I'm very
happy to be here hearing the aan five
times a day living with people who see
things closer to the way I do. So,
alhamdulillah, it's a great place. Give
us a little bit of recap of that history
that I opened up with professor at the
Wisconsin University and then you were
let go. Was it for misconduct?
Uh, no. Actually, they did a very
thorough investigation just to see if
there maybe had been some kind of m
misconduct somewhere and they came up
empty. Uh, and basically, this was after
I was ambushed by uh Fox News uh start
actually it started with a right-wing
radio host in Milwaukee named Jessica
McBride.
uh and it was an orchestrated campaign
to try to produce some mainstream media
publicity against the 9/11 truth
movement in general and the professors
who were jumping on board with scholars
for 911 truth in particular. So this was
in June of 2006
and um that uh pretty much killed my
academic career because I I didn't want
to roll over and go away like my uh
administration suggested I should. So
they they did investigate me and they
found that I had high ratings as a
teacher and I'd never done anything
wrong. So they said, "Well, we're really
sorry. We can't fire this guy." And then
the Republicans in the Wisconsin
legislature voted uh almost unanimously
I think it was among the Republicans to
have the university uh fire me but the
university refused. So this fight went
on for about six months. I got six
months worth of 15 minutes of fame but
by the end of it I was pretty much
unemployable in any American university.
I had been on a a year-to-year contract
and nobody at that point was likely to
give me any more of those contracts
because they lost a lot of money. The
university lost uh half a million
dollars overnight when I appeared on
Hannity and that was just contributions
canceled to the engineering school
alone. So yeah, it was a it was an
interesting experience in uh academic
unfreedom and things aren't any better
now with people being attacked for
opposing the genocide of Gaza. Uh so
yeah, America isn't the beacon of
freedom that it used to be. And hey,
we're recording this on July 4th and you
know, maybe some patriotic Americans
will think about that and think about
trying to restore freedom to their
country.
Let me get into this video because at
that time the big this is probably the
biggest
host stars of Fox News way bigger than
Hannity T. You were debating Hannity at
that time and now the former
Fox News star Tucker Carlson is actually
in in line with what you were saying.
Let's have a look. You tried the other
day to raise science-based questions
about 9/11 and you asked, "Building 7
was never hit by a plane. Why did it
fall down in exactly the same way the
first two towers did?" 156 witnesses,
you know, first responders saying they
heard explosions before the buildings
came down. There was never a steel
building that ever clashed because of a
fire. Isn't that ironic? So, this is
Tucker Carlson and he actually has a
senator also since 2011. You have this
senator. Senator Ron Johnson asking the
same questions that you were asking at
that time and you're asking your
students the same questions. You get let
go. You lose your career over this thing
that they're actually bringing up now.
Yeah. The irony is it's it's Fox News
and the biggest star in the Wisconsin
Republican party. Uh the former Fox News
host Tucker Carlson and and then Ron
Johnson who's who's the biggest
Wisconsin Republican. Back in 2006, Fox
News and the Wisconsin Republicans were
screaming to get me thrown out of the
university for saying exactly the same
thing that Tucker and Ron Johnson are
saying today. So, it's funny how things
come, you know, what comes around goes
around, I guess. Uh, but yeah, I have a
tremendous respect for Senator Johnson's
courage, and I appreciate that Tucker
Carlson has finally started asking those
hard questions.
What do you see now? The tide. Do you
see how the tide is shifting now? You
can see like this was something taboo to
talk about, but they're actually now
discussing it. Former, you have this
senator. We're going to play another
clip with another congressman. We'll
play a clip also from the the news. What
goes to your mind when you're seeing
this? This is this is these are and you
just mentioned this that these are
people from from uh this is a senator
from Wisconsin.
That's right. Yeah. And you know, like I
said, when I was fighting for academic
freedom in 2006, it was a straightup
partyline issue where the Democrats
almost unanimously uh were in favor of
allowing me to continue to teach and ask
whatever questions I wanted to ask
because that's academic freedom. And the
Republicans were all saying I should be
fired because I was unpatriotic and I
was teaching crazy conspiracy theories.
But somewhere things flipped and I
suppose maybe Trump had something to do
with that. But today uh it's again it's
it's Tucker Carlson, the former Fox News
host and uh Ron Johnson, the biggest
Republican out of Wisconsin who are are
saying those things. So you know and
it's funny I before I left for Morocco
two years ago, I started hanging around
with some of these Wisconsin Republicans
and a whole bunch of them have come
around on 911. Uh, interestingly,
actually some of them because I, you
know, I converted a few back in 2006 and
they've been slowly spreading the word
ever since. So, it's, you know, you
can't completely bottle up the truth
forever. What do you see happening now?
But before that, let's get into another,
as a senator, let's get into a
congressman here. It's our country. It
happened to 3,000 of our fellow
Americans. We have an absolute right to
know what happened. Was not even a
question. Um, and it was almost 25 years
ago. So, like, spare me your lectures
about national security. But, can I ask
you this? So, by the way, I never
questioned anything about 9/11 and I
actively attacked people who did. Um,
I'm ashamed of that, but that's a fact.
I did it on tape more than once cuz my
feeling was, well, you know, like that's
divisive or whatever. I was a child and
an idiot. Um,
but the what began to make me wonder,
and I have no idea what happened to 911,
but it's very clear that there's a lot
of lying around it was the collapse of
building 7. And all the wackos would be
like, "Building seven, building seven."
I'd be like, "Shut up, wackos." And then
if you just sort of look at it, you're
like, "Well, that is very weird.
Actually, no plane hit that building."
And it does this happen a lot when
buildings catch fire. Right. Okay.
Besides being a firefighter, I work for
the INA, largest insurance company in
North America. I was responsible for
training their fire protection arson
people for 18 years. That doesn't
happen. You never have a 47story
building just collapse. Uh, which this
is. Even Donald Trump, I have a tape of
him speaking on 9/11. And Donald Trump,
which I'll give you a copy. I've seen it
in his own words, says there was a hole
in the steel. And this is steel that
was, you remember the the width of the
windows in the World Trade Center,
folks? I think you you know if you were
ever up there, they were quite narrow.
And in between was this heavy steel. I
said, "How could a plane, even a plane,
even a 767 or 747 or whatever it might
have been, how could it possibly go
through this steel?" I happen to think
that they had not only a plane, but they
had bombs that exploded almost
simultaneously because I just can't
imagine anything being able to go
through that wall. Most buildings are
built with the steelers on the inside
around the elevator shaft. This one was
built from the outside, which is the
strongest structure you can have, and it
was almost just like a uh like a can of
soup. That's controlled demolition.
Yeah. I mean, it you said even Donald
Trump believes it was a controlled
demolition. Do you know this uh
congressman? What are your thoughts?
Yeah, that's Congressman Curt Weldon and
he tried to open up an investigation of
uh certain aspects of 911 back in sort
of the late 2000 or 2008
7 8 9 I maybe a little before that even
and he I I was strongly supporting him
at the time. uh he wanted to investigate
why it was that he was hearing from
whistleblowers like uh Colonel Anthony
Schaefer who had worked for a terrorist
tracking division of the US military and
he had uncovered these uh many of the
alleged 19 hijackers who of course
didn't hijack anything but uh anyway he
he had been all over those guys like a
year before 9/11 and he had been ordered
by his superior appears to forget that
he had ever heard of Muhammad Ata or
these other people who would later be
blamed for 9/11. He was actually told to
put little yellow sticky pads over their
faces on his huge wall chart that he had
built featuring many of these people who
would later be blamed for 9/11. He was
told to forget about them, put yellow
sticky pads over their faces and we
don't ever want you to look into this
again. That was all I forget, you know,
a year or so before 911. So, uh, when
Weldon heard this, he was a congressman.
I think he was from Pennsylvania if I
recall. He uh Colonel Schaefer went to
Weldon and others and Weldon uh was very
interested and tried to get an
investigation going of what did the US
intelligence services know and when did
they know it about these alleged 19
hijackers. And then of course some uh
dubious characters jinned up various
kind of political push back against
Weldon and got him forced out of
Congress. Uh, you know, interestingly,
Eddie, back in, uh, 200, uh, you know,
it was earlier, it was must have been
like 2005, I think, uh, I had actually
called Wisconsin Public Radio during an
interview with Senator Barbara Boxer,
the US Senator from California, and I
said to her, I said, "Senator Boxer, are
you aware of Kurt Weldon's investigation
in the House of what what the uh,
services knew about these alleged
hijackers before 911. You know, we've
learned that they trained at secure US
military facilities. They were uh
shadowed by Mossad agents. Uh they came
over on special CIA snitch visas from
Saudi Arabia. The 15 of them who were
Saudis did uh and so on. And of course,
they were also rat not the least bit
Islamic in their uh lifestyle to say the
least. They were hard drinkers, heavy
drug users. uh the guy who was posing as
Muhammad Ada, who actually uh was a
fluent speaker of Hebrew, which
Muhammad, the real Muhammad was not, uh
was dating a pink-haired stripper named
Amanda Keller. So, anyways, I gave this
spiel like that to Barbara Boxer on live
radio and then said, "So, Senator Boxer,
given all of that, do you support
Congressman Weldon's call for a new
investigation?" And Senator Boxer, uh,
bless her heart, answered me. She said,
Well, what you just said isn't what the
9/11 commission said, but that doesn't
mean it isn't true, but my first
priority is to end the war in Iraq. So,
that's that's like a direct quote from
Senator Barbara Boxer. And uh I was kind
of floored by that. And of course, that
created a viral story in the alternative
media. Uh so, yeah, Kurt Weldon made a
good effort and I'm glad they didn't
kill him. They just got forced him out
of Congress.
Wow. Um this is um this is amazing.
We're seeing all this uh unfolding now
and there's not a American when you
mention Islam that somehow in his
subconscious I was changing a flat tire
and I had somebody come to real nice man
came to help me out and then after he we
finished changing the tire he um we
started talking and offered him a
smoothie and it was going great. the
conversation. Then I asked him, "So what
do you know about Islam?" Uh he was
like, "Uh, nothing except what I heard
from 911,
what he saw from 911." So there's this
association in the back of people's
heads with 911. Do you think we're at
the beginning steps of that shifting
with people like the likes of Tucker
Carlson, the Candace Owens, these
congressman, senators, and let me also
show you this clip. This is from a
mainstream news outlet. People to make
sure that you're not just somebody with
a a wacky idea, okay? You come with some
science to you. What is the official
reason for the collapse of the World
Trade Center towers? Well, we're told
that the planes hit the buildings and
the there was a explosion and a fire and
about an hour and a half later in the
case of the North Tower, the buildings
uh collapsed due to structural weakening
due to the fires. Mhm. The problem is is
that uh we don't have uh large gradual
deformations associated with uh
collapses and fires in highrises have
never brought down a a steel frame uh
high-rise building at all ever. And what
we have unfortunately is the evidence in
the Twin Towers and the third uh
skyscraper to collapse that day, which
most people don't know anything about
it. We have the evidence of the 10 key
features of controlled demolition. In
the case of building seven, it collapses
straight down into its own footprint at
freef fall speed in the first 100 ft.
It's it's dropping as you can see uh
symmetrically smoothly at freefall speed
in the first 100 ft. 2 and 1/2 seconds.
This is uncanny. There's 40,000 tons of
structural steel designed to resist this
collapse. So what a 47story building.
Yeah. This is called building 7 right uh
a football field away from the Twin
Towers. Okay. So what we're showing is
left what happened in fact right is a
controlled where you are using or the
people who made this happen used
demolition indeed and this is a direct
comparison and you can see that indeed
almost uh freef fall speed freef fall
acceleration through 40,000 tons of
structural steel that is uncanny. So we
have 700 architects and engineers
demanding a new investigation as a
result of this evidence and the evidence
in the World Trade Center that is very
explosive. Almost every architect and
engineer we show this information to
agrees with us that these are controlled
demolitions. Be if we can get them to
look at the information because
obviously the implications of a
controlled demolition are dark for our
country because that means somebody
besides al Qaeda was involved because
these have to be easily three of the
most highly secure buildings outside the
your thoughts.
Well, it's great to say see Richard Gage
uh getting some mainstream media
attention. Uh it's good to see this kind
of information on you know high quality
uh you know produ high production values
mainstream media platforms and it's it's
good to see people gradually waking up
and realizing how important this is. You
know it's it's important for a lot of
reasons. You know, one of them as you
mentioned is that those of us who are
Muslims who lived in through the
aftermath of this uh found this highly
uh annoying and disturbing uh to say the
least uh to have our religion smeared as
this supposed terrorist religion. It was
a brainwashing operation. they, you
know, they they clearly had thought it
through and were all ready to go with
the propaganda that, you know, Islam was
a religion of suicidal maniacs and and
killers. Uh, and so that's one one
aspect of it, but another one is is the
country. The United States has a
tradition of enlightenment values, uh,
freedom, uh, pluralism and so on. And
all of that really took a hit uh with
911. And uh and then finally there's
also the intellectual inquiry, the
scientific inquiry, the uh academic
freedom angle. You know, just not being
able to talk about something this big
and really frankly this obvious has done
terrible things to America. It's turned
America into a country of of sheep, of
of uh cowards. uh uh the brave people
who have tried to do something about
this and speak out have been vilified.
So so the ve best people have been
vilified, ostracized and marginalized
and then the worst people, the
neoconservatives who did it have
cemented their rule. And you know we're
at a very strange moment right now as
the neoonservatives who were the party
behind 911, they were the intellectual
authors of it are still very much in
command. uh but they their ideology has
been challenged and there are both from
the left and from the right. I think
that if this really comes out clearly in
a such a big way that the entire
mainstream media starts showing what we
just saw and admits that the 911 truth
movement was right all along and we get
some kind of official investigation that
genuinely seeks the truth about this. I
think it it will really uh potentially
could solve a whole lot of of the worst
problems that we're facing. Um in
including you know the the genocide in
Gaza and the world war that may be
starting in the Middle East even as we
speak. I'm convinced that the same kinds
of reckless mchavelian lunatics uh who
are perpetrating genocide in Gaza are
essentially the same group that
orchestrated 9/11. And allowing these
kinds of people to run the United States
of America and lie to us all uh at this
scale is just unacceptable. That's one
of the reasons I left two years ago is
uh I no longer find the US habitable
after this. Uh but if this if we fix
this problem, I would be very happy to
uh to come back and celebrate.
If the uh University of Wisconsin called
you, apologized, and said, "You know
what? We need you back. We made a
mistake." Would you accept?
Well, I'd have to talk to my wife. Uh
we're pretty settled here in Sadia,
Morocco. Uh but I certainly go back and
uh and spend some time there.
Do you see that happening now? What you
just said, do you see that more and more
now? This is a this is starting to this
movement is continuing this that the
truth is getting out there. More and
more people are questioning people like
congressmen, senators. You mentioned
that you also have spoken to different
congressmen that also now are
questioning. Do you just cons where do
you see this going?
Well, it's uh I think that it might
actually take a crisis to force the
issue because for every step forward
that we make, the side that wants to
cover this up finds some way of kind of
uh distracting the public. And
basically, for instance, as I said, in
2006, the Democrats were not only in
favor of academic freedom to discuss
this kind of thing, but a whole lot of
Democrats were at least vaguely aware
that there was a huge problem with the
official story of 911. And of course,
many of them blamed it on the Republican
President Bush and and Cheney.
And uh then Obama was elected in 2008
and suddenly it flipped and people were
you know the Democrats were largely put
back to sleep and now interestingly
enough with the Trump movement of uh
populists or fake populists in some
cases. Uh it's been it's become a
situation where now a lot of Republicans
are open to this information. People
like Tucker Tucker Carlson and Candace
Owens. So, uh, I think but but yeah, I
think the number of Democrats, the
percentage of of Democrats probably is
not much higher now. It might even be
lower, uh, than it was in say 2007 when
the polls showed that 36% of the
American people thought it likely or
very likely that 9/11 was a false flag
designed to launch wars. So, it's it's a
long hall and to reach critical mass,
you know, it would take something, I
think, even bigger than, you know, US
senator like Ron Johnson uh picking up
where a US representative like Kurt
Weldon left off. It take something more
than uh Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson
uh informing their audiences about it.
You know, we would really really need uh
some kind of big breakout. And what that
would be, I don't know.
possibly the right insider leak uh of uh
crucial information could help uh and
possibly if somebody in charge of a
major network really made the decision
to go for it then who knows uh so it's
it's touchandgo. I think we're probably
closer to breaking this issue now than
ever and that's been the way it's been
unfort.
Don't we see this in history happening
before this um these events like you had
discussed uh previously
you had uh if people start putting and
seeing the patterns for example this
King David hotel at that time for people
that don't know most people don't know
about these incidences but uh this has
come out and can you discuss it I'll
mention some of these that for instance
the King David hotel wasn't this
something that it was an act that was
perpetual uated by a certain group of
people and then it was blamed it was the
the intent was to blame Muslims for it.
Uh you have the uh RS is it the um the
Liberty ship? What is it called? The um
RSS Liberty. USS Liberty. USS Liberty.
You have the USS Liberty. Also another
another event that was false flag and
then the intention was to blame Muslim.
The Leavon affair. Uh you also had the
weapons of mass destruction lie. Iraq
also that um then took us into a million
lives being lost. It was by this also by
particular
group of people now the Zionists who
also now Netanyahu got America involved.
You're an expert in this area. You know
these events quite well. And then uh you
had this event. you had some what was it
some kind of dancing people um who were
dancing when this whole event happened.
Um also so uh it's not far-fetched that
these events are perpetuated and then
they try to go ahead and blame uh the
Muslims which Muslims had no involvement
or Islam is not this has been used as a
scapegoat. Can can you touch upon these
uh historical events and how they're
actually now they're not conspiracy
theories, they're actually uh been
uncovered to been uh false flags.
Uh yeah, and indeed uh Candace Owens did
a really good segment on the USS Liberty
event in in 1967 at a Israeli attack on
a US spy ship working for the National
Security Agency. Most people don't know
much about that, but it was in the
middle of the 1967 war. Uh the US had
sent that spy ship towards uh the war
zone and uh the Israelis deliberately
tried to sink it uh and they they killed
34 people, wounded about 170 others and
nearly sent the ship to the bottom which
was the intent. They were hoping that
after sinking the ship they would be
able to blame it on Egypt and bring the
US into that war uh Israel's war against
Egypt. And and so that was in 1967. You
mentioned the Leavon affair of 1954 when
Israel bombed American targets in Egypt
and tried to blame Egyptians. Uh and
then you know we also have the issue of
assassinations.
Uh the Israelis and before them the
Zionists before there was a state of
Israel were uh very uh strong on
assassinating people. They they sent uh
letter bombs to Truman and uh to to
Churchill. They uh tried to assassinate
George HW Bush uh during his presidency
uh in Madrid. That's an interesting one
that people can look up. Uh most people
never heard of that. And they most
likely killed John F. Kennedy and then
presumably later his brother Robert. Uh
and that there's a lot of work on that.
Michael Collins Piper wrote the seminal
book which is uh uh has been followed up
on by Laurent Guino a French historian
his name is guo t u and just for people
who aren't aware of this just stop and
ask yourself uh we know that Robert
Kennedy uh was shot uh after he won the
California primary in 1968. He would
have almost certainly become president
had he not been killed. And they he was
shot from point blank range from behind
with a a pistol held against his skull.
It made powder burns on his skull. Sir
Han Sirhan, the man who was blamed and
convicted of that murder, was never
closer than uh probably about 15 feet
and he was in front of of Senator
Kennedy at the time. So somebody uh shot
Kennedy point blank from behind and it
was part of a an orchestrated murder uh
aimed to blame Sirhan Sirhan. Now Sirhan
Sirhan was a Palestinian and he had been
apparently hypnotized. Uh he he was
found to be an extremely hypnotizable
individual and so he was hypnotized to
randomly fire a few shots to distract
everybody and allow the killer to kill
Senator Kennedy. Now the question is who
would choose a Palestinian pathy? what
group would do that? Uh, and
when we ask that about what happened to
Bobby Kennedy in 1968, then we go back
to 1963
and we notice that after the murder of
John F. Kennedy, the uh, Paty Lee Harvey
Oswald uh, who was set up to take the
blame and denied it, said I'm a Patsy,
was killed before he could tell his
story by a Jewish mafiosi. uh Jack
Rubenstein, otherwise known as Jack
Ruby. Uh Jack Ruby was a hitman and a
bagman who worked for Mickey Cohen, who
is the chief of Jewish organized crime
on the West Coast, and also the man who
had raised the most money for the state
of Israel in all of American history.
Mickey Cohen went up and down this West
Coast uh shaking down everybody uh and
he raised I don't know how many tens or
hundreds of millions of dollars for
Israel. So that was the guy whose whose
personal hitman uh murdered Lee Harvey
Oswald. And so you just put those two
things together, the Palestinian paths
in one case and then the uh the Jewish
mafiosi uh with connections to Israel
killing Leah Harvey Oswald and you're a
step towards seeing who's behind these
kinds of crimes. Uh in the case of of
John F. Kennedy. He was likely killed
primarily because he was dedicated to
shutting down Israel's nuclear program.
And uh President Johnson, who took over
after Kennedy thanks to Kennedy's
murder, was a huge supporter of Israel,
who allowed Israel to steal American
nuclear weapons. And then Johnson
conspired with Israel in the 1967 war
and was complicit in this attack on the
US's liberty. Uh Johnson was quoted as
as saying when he was first informed
that the Liberty was in trouble. He
said, 'I want that bleep bleep ship uh
to go to the bottom. And he was actually
in bed with an Israeli Mossad uh spy at
the time that he was interrupted uh
about the USS Liberty. So the same
essentially the same group of people has
been so reckless in their terrorism and
their assassinations uh since long even
before Israel was founded. There's a
book called state of terror by Thomas
Suarez that goes into how the subtitle
is how Israel uh created modern
terrorism. And of course it actually
happened before Israel was even founded.
the Zionists uh slaughtered uh not just
Palestinians but also the British. Uh
they slaughtered their fellow Jews who
were not radical enough in pushing for
for a Jewish state there. And that kind
of mayhem has only accelerated since the
creation of the state of Israel with
this long list of false flag terrorism
uh and so on. So, you know, I I kind of
downplayed this when I first started
talking about 911. I wanted just to show
that the official story couldn't
possibly be true. Uh, and I didn't want
to point too hard at the perpetrators,
especially Israel, because, you know, if
you you point it finger at Israel, you
get all kinds of push back and it's
harder to get any kind of media
attention, but except for the wrong
kind. But at some point, it became so
obvious to me that uh it's it's just
unavoidable. You know the it's clear
every every foreign policy expert will
agree that the only real geostrategic
beneficiary of 9/11 was the state of
Israel because it tricked the American
military into coming in and basically
removing all uh of the the problematic
regimes in the region that Israel didn't
like with one exception Iran and look
what's happening now. Uh so yeah,
basically the state of Israel like a
it's been compared to the toxopplasmosis
parasite that takes over the brains of
cats and mice and makes them act in
self-destructive ways. And that's kind
of what the uh state of Israel has done
to the United States. It's it's taken
over the command and control system in
the same way toxopplasmosis takes over
the brain of uh of its victims. And it's
really marching the US into disaster.
you know, one disaster after another,
the loss of freedom, uh, wasting eight
trillion dollars on wars for Israel that
are against US strategic interests and
now today risking World War II in this
crazy war on Iran. I think that if we
solve 911, if we expose 911 and show
that it was probably you what we'll find
is that it was primarily orchestrated by
the state of Israel and its American
assets, I think we'll be in a position
to cleanly sever this connection with
this psychotic settler colonial genocide
project that's squatting in occupied
Palestine. You think this history now
that many people do not know and is very
important because it dispels the myth
that somehow you know because when you
bring up Israel when you bring up Jews
the people out there will start to the
politicians and whatnot they'll try to
make it like oh Muslims hate Jews and
whatnot but when you study the history u
when Muslims were the superpower and
Spain when you look at many academics uh
I've had on many um Jewish rabbis who
have come on and who has testified to
this that uh they thank Muslims who
actually took them in from Christian
persecution
and David Warrenstein he writes in the
Jewish Chronicles that Islam saved the
jury. So how can you be taking Jews in
saving them if you just if your religion
calls you to hate them? So how do you
like to answer this? And uh yeah it's a
really it's a very interesting issue.
It's it's it's very complicated. Uh the
short version is that the Muslims got
along better with Jews throughout most
of history than Christians did. That's
unquestionable.
And why that is uh it's a long debate,
but probably the biggest single factor
is that in Islam we do have the number
of injunctions to protect minority
religious communities and to act with
impartial justice. And so Muslims have
who haven't you know Muslim rulers
haven't been perfect obviously but the
general thrust of of Islamic dogma and
teaching and so on is that we are
supposed to respect and protect minority
religions starting with Christianity and
Judaism. So for that reason, Muslim
rulers tended to allow Christian and
Jewish minority communities to run their
own affairs and they often thrived under
Muslim rule and notably in Islamic Spain
for quite some time, many centuries in
fact uh the Christian and Jewish
communities were doing very very well.
Uh so it isn't obviously isn't that
Islam has some problem with Jews. It's
it or Christians for that matter. I
mean, but the the real issue is that a
certain uh extremist version of Jewish
messianic millinarianism
has uh mutated into Zionism which is
basically you know a lot of people would
argue many Jews the Nuri Carta Jews and
others would argue that Zionism is
actually satanic. It's not properly
Jewish because the traditional Jewish
belief was that returning to the Holy
Land would only happen when God made it
happen and that Jews themselves should
not even lift a little finger to make it
happen. But bit by bit uh this radical
extremist fringe within Judaism uh
pushed that away and started preaching
that Jews should go back to the Holy
Land and found their own state by hook
or by crook. Uh and ultimately that
became, you know, by very unethical
means. And so here we are today with
much of the Jewish community actually
convinced that this is a good idea to
have Jews unite and invade the Holy Land
and create a Jewish state there even at
the expense of the Palestinians who've
been living there forever. Uh and so
it's a very tragic situation and and
because the Zionists have captured much
of the Jewish community that's led to
friction between Jews and Muslims
because Muslims are taught uh to respect
justice and what's happening in
Palestine is such a grave injustice.
It's so extreme that you know the Holy
Land is being uh per genocide is being
perpetrated in the Holy Land. Uh that's
just not acceptable to Muslims. And so
that's led to this uh tension between
the Muslims and Jews and it doesn't need
to be there. And once Zionism is
finished, I don't think we'll see
anything like that tension again. Are
you are you familiar with the Scoffield
Bible and John Nelson Derby and the um
Christian Zionism that stems from this
and how Christians now believe this is a
part of their faith to support what
you're talking about this modern-day um
holocaust that's happening against
innocent men, women, children. Now, uh
babies are being um just decimated
there. And now Christians who are
supposed to um they promote love, Jesus
the prince of peace, but they're
supporting this because they feel it's a
part of their creed and it all stems
back and now this is also something
that's being talked about that this is
false. This was never part of the
Christian teachings for over 1800 years.
This dispensationalism, can you go into
that a little bit? Are you familiar with
the con artist con man who now got the
funding from Zionists and then they
ended up pushing over a million uh
copies for free into the universities
churches and and slowly this is being
uncovered that this is a scam. This is
not part of um Christian teachings and
then you often hear this verse
constantly. You just had Tucker Carlson
with u the Senator Ted Cruz did you see
that interview? And then he's misquing
the Bible and he's saying whoever
blesses Israel is blessed in Genesis. Uh
whoever curses is uh the is cursed. This
is like the go-to. And then in the
footnotes in the Scoffield Bible, this
is where they get this idea that you
have to support this uh state, but in
actuality is talking about Abraham. It's
not connected to the modern state. Can
you uh can you go into this a little
bit?
Yeah, it's uh in the 19th century Cyrus
P. Sculpfield uh was a pretty dubious
character uh not even all that literate
supposedly bit of a snake oil salesman
kind of guy and somehow he ended up with
his name on this very very popular Bible
which as you said has been printed all
over the world uh I think was it Oxford
I think that that took it somehow. Yeah.
Yeah. So he obviously had help. Uh
Scoffield obviously did unlike Oswald
Scoffield did not act alone. Uh so yeah
there was a orchestrated effort I think
to get Christians on board with Zionism
and so there's been a lot of money and
power and propaganda behind this.
Obviously some of the world's very
wealthiest most powerful people have
been hardcore Zionist ideologues uh
since the days of you know the
Rothschilds and Israeli in the 19th
century at the time when Scoffield was
doing his thing. But in terms of
Christian ideology, it's really quite
astounding that Christians who are
taught that uh Jesus uh peace upon him
was was the prince of peace who turned
the other cheek and so on, although he
was pretty hard on those money changers
in the temple. But if you know that the
Bible's account or the New Testament's
account of the career of Jesus is
obviously completely contradictory to
supporting genocide and these horrors
that we're seeing in Palestine. So
there's been a a real uh major
propaganda operation to try to convince
Christians to support this uh genocidal
Zionist project. And I think part of the
reason that it's worked is that within
Christianity there is this belief that
there you know the Bible is divided into
the Old Testament which is the Torah and
the New Testament which is the Inil or
the Gospels. And the Old Testament or
the Torah is it reads a lot like a sort
of a a tribal uh a myth of of tribal
conquests and you know a tribes
conflicts with its neighbors. And it
records a history of the Jewish people
in which it seems that throughout much
of that, the early history, their
version of God is not the universal God
that we know of today, but rather a
tribal god who is viewed by his
followers as just one among many gods,
but he's the god of of their tribe. and
he tells them to go out and smash the
idols, meaning the gods of the other
tribes, and steal their loot and give it
to the give it to Yahweh or give it to
the high priests of Yahweh. So, there's
there's a lot of the Old Testament that
is really pretty problematic from the
standpoint of people who whose holy
books are either the Quran or or the New
Testament. Uh, and I think that by
steering Christians towards a really a
unsophisticated and really morally
indefensible reading of the Old
Testament, the Zionists have kind have
succeeded in in brainwashing them and
turning them into something very very
different from real Christians. You
know, real Christians uh uh Christianity
is a religion of love and that's great.
uh you know is I think it was it uh I
think Shuon said that Christianity is a
religion of love. Islam is a religion of
knowledge. But of course they both have
you know Islam has plenty of love and
and Christianity has plenty of knowledge
as well. But the reality of of
Christianity and of universal monotheism
has been distorted I think by this bad
interpretation of these problematic
elements of the Old Testament. So that's
that's where I I think the problem lies
that is that Christians were vulnerable
to this because they accept the Old
Testament as inherent gospel in which
every single word comes straight from
God. And we Muslims of course uh know
about that is the earlier revelations
were to some extent distorted by the
transmitters. And so we don't have to
accept every bizarre or immoral thing
that we might come across in the Old
Testament uh as as gospel because we
have a wellpreserved book the Quran. And
so I think the Christians who haven't
figured out how to deal with the Old
Testament properly. Uh and this would be
more Protestants actually than the
Catholics or Orthodox Christians have
been vulnerable to this brainwashing by
the Zionists.
Just a couple more questions. Um,
we originally we dispelling this myth
when we met before of Islam and Muslims
having anything to do with this evil
event that happened. And now with more
and more people, the senators being on
the news, the congressman, the greatest
host of Fox News actually talking about
this, raising questions, and more and
more people are starting to um to not
believe the official narrative. And do
you think people are going to finally
wake up if this continues to to come out
and realize that Islam truly has nothing
to do with such evil actions? Muslims,
you mentioned some of the actions of
people who are somehow connected. Um,
nothing to do with it. Islam being is
used as a scapegoat that uh those people
will start to have more an affinity now
to the shift with all the negativity. Do
you think this can shift them into now
as they were raising questions about the
event and the official narrative now
being programmed for so long to think
negatively about Islam that the counter
can happen that they can start also
looking into Islam to see really truly
what the teachings of Islam is and and
hopefully leading them to the beauty of
this way of life that's actually from
the creator submission to the will of
God not the creation. What do you think?
Yeah, inshallah that can happen. We've
seen some of it already. Interestingly
enough, even during the periods of the
strongest demonization of Islam, some
folks who didn't know anything at all
about it looked into it and found the
beauty of it and came to Islam. And that
process has been going on. uh but it's
been kind of swimming against the
current and today uh if you know if we
actually do get a complete reconsider
reconsideration of 911 and the war on
terror and also I think a reconsider
reconsideration of Zionism uh which will
tie in you know they're all tied in
together I think that that shift very
likely could open up even more minds
like in much greater numbers than we've
seen in the past uh because I I think
the West uh really needs a lot of the
values that Islam carries. Uh an
insistence on justice that's so
important. You know, I it's just a lot
more clear in Islamic teaching that
we're supposed to aim at at full
impartial justice and and that Allah
subhana wa ta'ala is just uh that that
teaching is is really important in a
world where injustice is so far out of
control. And and I think also you know
there are all sorts of other areas too
where uh kinds of traditional values and
family values have fallen by the wayside
and Islam has not uh succumb to that as
much as some of the other traditions
have and I think uh western people could
benefit from that. And then finally
there's the mysticism. I that's what
first attracted me to Islam. that is the
way that we can actually experience a
taste of getting closer to the divine.
And that that's ultimately in a sense I
think that's the real test of religion
in the modern period because we've got
so much information around us. We can
hear this is what the Buddhists think.
This is what the Muslims, the Jews, the
Christians, the atheists, the
materialists, the people of
existentialists, all these different
schools of thought. We can see, you
know, they're all talking and arguing.
It's all right there with a you click a
click of your phone and you can hear it.
Uh and in that situation like where we
can hear the dogmas and that you know
the the ideas the disembodied sort of
ideas of every everybody well that's all
great you know the idea of justice as I
said is great but what we really need is
is to be able to get a little taste of
the reality of it to know to know it
like people who've actually had an
experience where they have been
overwhelmed by the feel a kind of a
closeness to God and actually a change
of consciousness to some extent. Those
people uh are really going they're not
going to ever they're not going to
change after that. They've they they
know that it's real. And I think that
Islam has an incredibly rich heritage of
this sort of thing. And that if you're
going to you know taste the reality of
the absolute transcendent that you know
starting out with the Islamic teaching
is more likely to kind of get you there
on the straight path
than you know if you start out with
ideology around people or you know
around the Jewish tribe and its figures
or around you know the person of uh of
Jesus and so on and and dogmas about uh
the you know trinity and and uh you know
crucifixions and this and that and ideas
that you have to believe that every it's
all about just belief and and you know
if you believe this you'll be saved and
all of these things that have crept into
other religions I think can be a little
distracting and I think Islam really
offers a a very straight clean version
of the essential truth of monotheism and
it's not only good for uh the the ideas
uh the abstract ideas but also for
tasting the reality which we can do you
know little we get a little bit of a
taste of that reality each time we pray
uh and we can cultivate it to uh
whatever extent we're capable of so yeah
I think the west uh really uh could use
a hard look at the positive side of
Islam yeah absolutely I think even the
hardliners those who uh who can love and
support the people who say the most
nastiest, vilest things about Jesus,
that he's in the hellfire burning in
feces. His mother laid down with a Roman
soldier. And on the other side, you have
us who love and rever Jesus as the Bible
calls him, a prophet, the Messiah. That
there's a whole chapter that is in the
verbatim word of God Almighty, the
Quran, named after his blessed mother.
Most of them don't they don't know these
facts. They haven't sat. I find it
ironic that, you know, I'll try to reach
out and talk to some Christians, come
together, hardliners who'll be on X, and
they'll be just spewing all this hate. I
say, "Hey, have you ever sat broke bread
with a Muslim? Let's let's go ahead and
talk. You can go ahead and form a
relationship with someone who's cursing
your God and savior. But here, if you
say one negative thing we believe about
Jesus, if you deny Jesus, that you can
end up in hellfire." Is that correct?
Yeah. And I think that's especially
important uh today because you know we
we have this sense of the end times
right whether it's because of you know
nuclear war is just one button push away
or artificial intelligence could get out
of control and create the singularity
and that would be the end for us and so
on. you know, technology has made our
situation both more comfortable and more
precarious. And there is this sense that
we're sort of at at the end. Uh, and so,
uh, I think that
we need to look at what these religions,
you know, say about about sort of the
the end of things. And essentially, the
last word for both Islam and
Christianity is that Jesus is the
Messiah. And uham when he comes back uh
thing you know me whatever that means
right maybe it means his spiritual
values return to the world that things
will be radically better and the other
side the Jewish uh teaching has
traditionally been very hostile to Jesus
for the most part as you said and so if
we are in this end time stage of the
Christ versus the antichrist
let's face it the Muslims and the
Christians are both on the side of Jesus
Salam and maybe some some Jews are but
the bulk of the Jewish tradition is not
the Jews are basically
means that you're part of the group that
rejected Jesus. That's the definition.
The Jews who accepted Jesus now call
themselves Christians. So if we're in
the end times and the figure of Jesus,
the one and only true Messiah is is
crucial to everybody's notion of the end
times
which you know, hey Christians, who do
you want to be with? the people who who
love Jesus and are praying for his
return or the people who are boiling him
in excrement. I mean, I would think that
would be a no-brainer.
Thank you, Dr. Barrett. Thank you very
much for sharing uh these um some time
with us, going over these reactions. God
bless you. It was good having you on the
program again. Thanks, Eddie. It's great
conversation. Appreciate it. Keep up the
great work. Thank you.