I'm almost ashamed to tell you that
>> the more they make me fight, the worse
it's going to be for them.
>> Greetings of peace. Recently, Joe Rogan
had this guest on his show
>> that that was actually located in her
handbag and caused serious concern.
>> Well, now imagine if they never found
her, they never caught her and she
completed that.
>> I mean, it's really terrifying.
>> It wipes out most of the country
>> and also just in the most horrific way.
I mean, you know, like having to like
look at your pet and be like, is my pet
rabbit? It's just
>> she's sending dead catcher, too. Another
project.
>> She was really talking about some scary
out of this world frightening stuff.
She's been doing her rounds. She was
also featured on the Danny show, Annie
the Storyteller.
>> Aa Sadiki. Aia Sadiki.
Um,
she was captured in Afghanistan. She was
the first woman on the most wanted
terrorist list for the FBI. This is
during the height of the war on terror.
>> Now, telling stories is one thing, but
being a complete liar to sell your books
is another thing. My next guest has been
representing Dr. Afia pro bono. That
means for free. He's not getting paid.
Clar Stanford Smith had this to say
directly to Joe Rogan after seeing this
storytelling liar on his program, the
Joe Rogan Show. He said, "Dear Joe
Rogan, I'm afraid you have been fed a
pack of nonsense by this lady. She is
wrong on every single one of her facts.
I have been to Afghanistan five times
and have the evidence. Should you like
to discuss Joe Rogan?" So, when I saw
this, I was like, "Wow." You know, I
like Joe Rogan, and I think he'll
appreciate us bringing him the facts
regarding this case and exposing what
his guests not just got wrong, but
fabricated. And we're not stopping
there. We'll also hear what former US
Attorney General Ramsay Clark had to say
about this case after dedicating a good
portion of of his life on this. These
are people who knew the facts. Ramsey
Clark and former US presidential
candidate and he's a two-term US senator
Michael Gravel and former Congresswoman
Cynthia McKini. These people, let's
hear, we'll hear what they had to say.
So, let's get the facts out and let's
get this message to Joe Rogan. I'm
almost ashamed to tell you that when she
was arrested in 2008,
I went on ABC News here in the United
States and I crowed that this is one of
the most significant counterterrorism
captures since the 9/11 attacks. Um, in
retrospect, I realized that I was wrong.
Uh, but also in retrospect,
I'm starting to see some of the crimes
that were committed against Afia Sadiki.
[singing]
>> These are the numbers of a treasured
soul.
>> Paradise is under the feet of a woman, a
mother. And that's not all. She has been
given rights and protection in every
sphere of life. She has all the basic
human rights.
650. [music]
A sister or mother with no child to
console.
This is the
>> greetings in peace. Welcome to the Dean
Show. My next guest, Clyde Stanford is a
dual UK US national, the founder and
director of the Justice League in 2023.
He took on the case of Afia Sadiki Pro
Bono
who she was abducted with her children
and he recently served a 371page
petition in New York setting out the
truth for what happened to her. He's
also professor of law. He has received
too many rewards to to list here in
recognition of his work, including one
by Elizabeth the Queen Elizabeth II, the
OB award for services to humanity in
2000 and the Gandhi Peace Award in 2005
and various honorary doctorates from a
range of universities.
He has been a member of the United
States Supreme Court and Louisiana State
Bar for over 40 years.
So, let's go ahead and play this clip.
He recently called out Joe Rogan to have
a conversation with him because it seems
like Joe Rogan is had a guest on talking
about his client Afia Sadiki. So, let's
go ahead and check out this clip and
then bring out my next guest. One of
which involves an al-Qaeda terrorist
that was captured. She's actually now in
Texas in a mental institution for the
rest of her life. Her name's Aia Sadiki.
She's an MIT trained biologist
related by marriage to Khaled Shake
Muhammad. Okay. And she was leading the
biological weapons program. This is
according to the CIA officers.
>> She was trained at MIT.
>> She was trained at MIT and then she went
back to Pakistan. She was the first
woman on the FBI's most wanted terrorist
list.
>> How come they have her in a mental
institute?
>> Cuz they caught her and then this part
is reported. They caught her and
somehow, again, the air quote, somehow
she got a hold of a Marine's rifle and
fire and was firing at the FBI agents
interviewing her.
>> Cly, how are you?
>> I am doing very well, thank you. How are
you?
>> I'm good, thank God. Thank you for
accepting invitation. So, I showed a
clip here and I I saw your your message
to Joe Rogan. We'll put it up. Dear Joe
Rogan, I'm afraid you have been fed a
pack of nonsense by this lady. She is
wrong on every single one of her facts.
I have been in Afghanistan five times
and have the evidence. Should you like
to discuss it? Then you mentioned at
Afia movement.
So, uh, you are the attorney for Afia
Sadiki right now at this moment.
>> I am. I mean, I took her case on because
her really wonderful, um, sister, Dr.
Fausia Sadiki, who's a a Harvard trained
uh, neurologist
had caught me in a weak moment when I'd
just got some prisoners out of Grantono.
So, I thought I had some extra time and
I took it on. And I've been working on
it for the last three and a half years.
And I think I know more about probably
Afia's case than anybody. Certainly more
than dear Annie and what she says on
that Joe Rogan show.
>> Who is this lady?
>> Are you familiar with her?
>> Annie. Yeah, Annie Jacobson has written
a bunch of ridiculous books by and
large. I mean, one of them is about
aliens visiting uh visiting the world,
but she's also she takes all these
things that um that are shocking and
would make good dramatic albeit totally
false television programs and then
posits them as scientific fact. And it
was just fascinating to me that she
didn't when she wrote this book, she
didn't bother to give me a buzz. I would
have happily told her all about Afia. I
would have told her how to pronounce
Afia's name to begin with. I'd have told
her that Afia had nothing to do with Hal
Shake Muhammad and that indeed she she
wasn't being interrogated by the FBI
when she grabbed a rifle and shot one of
them. She was actually just shot by a
soldier in a Roman Gazny where I've been
on like Ammy. So, I would have corrected
her on all the nonsense she said on
Rogan, but uh she didn't bother to ask.
Let's continue on and kind of break this
down. Uh she goes on to mention some
other things. So the first thing is did
she say that he she was married to this
uh Khaled Muhammad?
>> Well, she did say that at one point, but
then she said she was just related to
him and it just wasn't true. Can I just
tell you a bit of the brief beef
background? that wasn't about. So she
was a very very brilliant young woman
who came to the US and did a degree at
MIT and then a PhD at Brandeise. Her PhD
at Brandeise wasn't in neuroscience
where she was meant to be making bomb.
It was in education. She did a PhD about
teaching young children how to learn.
Um, and then she went back to Pakistan
after 911 because, as you probably are
fully aware, uh, the US was not terribly
hospitable to many Muslims at the time.
And in the end, she got abducted. The
the CIA paid a $55,000
bounty to the Pakistan authorities to
help them abduct Afia and her three
children. Now, I've seen the facts. I'm
not going to do what the CIA did with
Annie. I'm not going to break the
security terance that I sworn to uphold.
I I see all this secret stuff. But I can
tell you everything they thought they
knew about Arthia was wrong. But the
shocking thing is the CIA abducted a
woman with her three children. Two of
the children, aged six and four, they
took to Afghanistan where they forced
the six-year-old boy into prisons for 5
years. They put the four-year-old girl,
Nariam, in a white Christian American
CIA family for seven years and make
apparently the six-month-old Soulean.
And this is a shocking story, but it's
not the s story that Annie tells you.
The story is really what was the CIA
doing? They're sworn to protect
Americans. What were they doing? Falsely
abducting this woman and taking two
American children to a buzza and and the
child was just heartless.
Before we get into more of the Joe
Rogan, and I hope Joe Rogan will invite
someone like you, who's her attorney,
after you go ahead and obviously prove
that the guest that he had on is
somebody, would you say he's just
blatantly lying?
>> No, she's just a fool. She She's got all
her facts wrong and she published them.
I'm not saying
>> that's very irresponsible. That's very
irresponsible. Be honest.
>> Of course. Of course it is. And what and
the reason, you know, my mom taught me
that my job as a privileged white male
was to protect people around the world
who are being trampled on by people with
power. And it's our job is not to go
around spreading lies about some poor
woman who's been tortured. She's been
she's been in FMC Carwell, a federal uh
institution for the last 18 years. And
you know, I just been looking into her
current treatment in that prison. I
don't know why we have male guards in
women's prisons, frankly, but there have
been now 14 guards
um convicted of rape in that prisons,
including a Christian minister.
>> Wow.
>> They they finally I had p I' I'd got
Omar Suleman. Do you know who I mean by
an Omar Sulean?
>> Yeah. It's a good friend of mine.
a lovely, lovely guy. One of the few
people in the world who I look up to
both metaphorically and really because
as you know he's a big tall guy, really
delightful fellow. And he offered to go
into Kazwell to minister to Afia because
they'd never let her have an imam. Um
they wouldn't let him in. We're about to
sue them again on that. But instead,
they got this other imam. I won't
mention his name because he's now been
accused of being some of the women, 11
of the women in that prison. And she's
in this awful place after being tortured
by the CIA for 5 years in Bagram Air
Force Base. And as you can imagine, she
lost her children. She lost everything.
And I can tell you, she's 100% innocent.
And she's rotting a radar. It's just a
scandal um on us as Americans.
When this was first brought to my
attention years ago, I interviewed uh
Mari Salakan, who's dedicated also his
life to um to this case. He's doing a
lot some great work exposing also a lot
of the um the things that you're talking
about, human rights activists. One of
the things that when I interviewed him
that really stood out were a few things.
his interaction with some high prominent
prominent uh politicians and US figures
like former US attorney general Ramsey
Clark uh who was also on top of this and
he said that she was innocent and had
been a victim victimized by the
international politics for power and I
quote he said I haven't witnessed such
bare injustice in my entire career uh
this is a quote from the daily times
quoted by this is former US attorney
general Ramsey Clark. You also have um
uh someone like him. You would think why
would he put his reputation? Why would
he put himself in such a negative
spotlight to go ahead and to defend
someone if they weren't innocent? Same
thing like someone like your you to
invest all this time pro bono. That
means you're not getting paid. Uh you
also had a former US presidential
candidate Mark Gra.
I think he was a two-time US senator. He
was also speaking out in defense
of of her. Let's have a look at this
clip. I'm here in Pakistan to plead
cause for Dr. Afia Sadiki who's in jail
in the United States unjustly and that
we need to pressure the Pakistani
government to ask for her repatriation
to Pakistan. It's a great injustice. You
know there's injustice all over the
world. But when we become acquainted
with one single person who has suffered
tremendous injustice, it it morality
begs us to stand up and use our voice to
ask for justice with respect to doctors
aflo.
>> Oh, I am. Ramsey Clark was an incredibly
uh decent and honorable person and you
know they took that position some time
ago but I got roped into the case in
2023
and and I went to Afghanistan several
times because you know that's where it
all happened. I'd been to Bagram Air
Force Base uh with some of the other
prisoners who were there with Afia when
she was being tortured where the CIA was
children in front of her who they says
were her children. It wasn't her
children. But they they were abusing
this woman in ways that are just
unspeakable. And I've got a whole series
of witnesses from there. And then I went
to Gazny a few times which is where you
know that that woman Annie Jacobson says
she was being interrogated by FBI agents
and and she she was trying to shoot
them. It's total nonsense that we have a
video from that very room that shows she
never fired a gun. They they shot her.
They didn't know she was in the room.
She wasn't being interrogated. She was
behind a curtain. These American
soldiers come in there and they they
they come into the room not knowing that
Afia is behind the curtain. They see
she's there. They say she's on the loop
and shot him in the stomach. And that's
all. She didn't shoot anyone. Uh and she
was then taken to the really 9/10en of a
mile from from ground zero where the
southern district of New York is 10,000
miles away from where all this happened.
and given 86 years in prison. She's the
only person who got shot. And Annie
Jacobson says she was charged with
terrorism. She wasn't. She was never
charged with terrorism. She was never
proven to have done any of this stuff.
She certainly never had any of the
documents that she had done about
creating weapons of mass destruction. It
was just the total fantasies.
>> Yeah, that stood out also in my
interview with Marie. He told me that if
there was any anything that they had
credible that they would have charged
her with terrorism offense, but she was
never charged with any This is very
important for the audience. She was
never charged with any terrorism
offense. Is that correct?
>> That's exactly correct. And indeed the
lawyers she had and I don't entirely
blame them because they were American
lawyers who had never been to
Afghanistan to investigate the case.
They couldn't do a lot of investigation
at the time because there's a war going
on. But they didn't know that actually
the reason she was in Gazny is that the
Pakistan ISI their intelligence had a
plot to try to well yeah
>> because she was such an arousement
because they had sold her to the CIA
under totally false pretenses. Her
children had been abused. She is Yin
Torch. Perves Masharif was then the
president of um of of Pakistan and he
would have lost his job if it had come
out that his military had done this. So
they tried to kill us here. That's what
happened in Gaznner. They were so
incompetent they failed to do it. But
she is a woman who has suffered more
than I've represented 87 prisoners and
you've won them over. I honestly thought
the CIA could not horrify me anymore.
And I was wrong because our fear is the
greatest victim of injustice ever
across.
>> Joe Rogan has a a moral responsibility.
He has a big duty on his hand after
listening to this. And let's get this
message to Joe Rogan to have her Assia's
attorney on the program to go ahead and
set the record straight like we're doing
here. Let's go into another clip before
we get more of Joe Rogan and the um the
u the guest that he had on who's spewing
this nonsense. Let's look at a
journalist from the UK. I believe it is
who was actually at one of her trials
>> of the trial. The only evidence against
her, there was no forensic. So the only
evidence against her came from the
soldiers who were present. And according
to not one but several lawyers I've
spoken to, those soldiers in the
courtroom contradicted each other, but
also contradicted the initial statements
that they'd made about who stood where
and who was there and when she did this
and where she was exactly. So, I think
it's it's a tragic
a tragic thing for American justice that
the jury found her guilty, but in the
climate of New York post 911, somebody
whose reputation had been completely
trashed deliberately by the people who
leaked stories that she was a gununner
or a money launderer for al-Qaeda, that
she was married into a big al-Qaeda
family. All these things were lies, but
they were put out into the media. And
so, not surprisingly, in America, people
who didn't know any of the details had
an image of her, and it was that false
image which allowed her to be convicted.
As for getting 86 years, outrageous is
the only possible way.
>> Any comments on that before we go to uh
more of the Joe Rogan?
>> Yeah, that's Victoria Britain. I know
Victoria. She's a very decent woman and
she's right. And the the crucial thing
that that I'm not sure she knew at the
time, but we know now is that the
evidence that was offered at trial for
Afia trying to shoot um the the the
military officers in the room came from
these supposed witnesses and included
two holes in the wall that they says
were the bullet holes where the bullets
that she fired merily missed killing
American soldiers and ended up in those
holes. And indeed, one of the American
soldiers there said, "I saw the bullet
going past me." So, she's obviously
Superwoman. Um, we've now got a video
from that same room earlier that same
day that shows the two holes in the wall
already. And so, that proves that what
Afia said is true. She didn't fire the
gun. There were no bullets found that
she could have fired. There were bullets
found that were fired at her. both of
the bullets that hit her but none um
that she supposedly fired. So the whole
case against her was nonsense but uh
unfortunately she didn't get the defense
she needed to because there weren't any
witnesses available.
>> This part is reported they caught her
and somehow again the air quote somehow
she got a hold of a Marine's rifle and
fire and was firing at the FBI agents
interviewing her. This is all public and
she was shot. They take her to the
United States, gave her a trial, decided
she was insane, put her in a mental
institution.
But what had never been revealed before
my book is that in her handbag, she had
plans to create a genetically modified
pathogen that mixed rabies with
chickenpox.
Think about that. Imagine airborne
rabies. rabies like pneumonic plague is
one of the only other pathogens that has
100% death rate without counter measures
>> and rabies like when you see it in
animals. I've never actually encountered
a rabbit animal in the in the wild. This
is
>> Cly when you hear that you're like man
wow this is uh she it's good they caught
her.
>> All right, you know can I just share
something with you? I've been bitten by
a rabbit cat and and I'm still alive. I
don't know how I managed to do that
somehow, but I did have the shots and
everything after it happened. But number
one, she's just she uses air quotes and
whenever people use air quotes, they're
normally making stuff up. She wasn't
being interrogated, as I said, by the
FBI. And there were no I've got a
security clearance. I'm not going to
tell you what was in her bag because I
can't do it because that would be a
criminal offense. And whoever these CIA
agents are who are blabbing this
nonsense to Annie uh during a criminal
offense for which they can get many
years in prison. But I can do this. I
can say this. There is nothing in the
materials that they say that Afia had
that has anything to do with airborne
rabies or any WMD nonsense like that.
And indeed everything that was
supposedly on her was actually planted
on her and we can prove it. Uh, and we
can prove it because the big thing they
had on her, which I can tell you because
it came out publicly, is that Afia
Sadiki, you know, this woman who trained
primary school kid, was was going to
teach people how to shoot down
satellites. Now, I don't know if you
know how to shoot down a satellite, but
I was a scientist in my youth, and I
can't say I do either. And what they had
in her handwritings, I can now prove was
copied out from a print magazine of
Discover magazine um that was only
published in America that Afia couldn't
have got unless it was given to her by
the CIA people who were torturing her.
And it's proved positive that what she's
said all along is true that she was
forced to write certain things out that
they were using to to frame her. And so,
but there was nothing in there about
rabies. So, I don't know where Annie
gets that. Uh, she's just she's just
been told a pack of lies. And all of
this was designed to falsify a case
against this woman because the CIA
realized they'd made a terrible mistake
in taking her in the first place. And
they didn't want to look back. And I am
dying. I'm trying to get her two
senators. She lived in Boston,
Massachusetts. And I want to get the
Democratic senators to hold a hearing in
Congress about just what the CIA did to
this woman because if we publish it or
if we're if I'm allowed to publish
everything I know it's still classified.
Um you know this there's going to be
heads rolling at the CIA. It really is.
>> There was another Congresswoman Cynthia
McKini. She was also speaking out in
defense of her, wasn't she? Are you
familiar with her?
Yeah, I lived in Atlanta for years and
she's a good one.
>> Let's continue on. Throw their own
safety out the window and just go after
people and try to bite them.
>> I mean, it's like a it's like rabies is
a like now its own ra a rabid animal.
Well, you think of it of it's so
visceral.
>> It's going to come at you with its
infected saliva. I almost went with the
rabies scenario because I I always in
these scenarios tie them to actual
events that have this is science fact
not science fiction and so when I
learned about that plan for to for the
genetic modification of rabies and
chicken airborne rabies but then I
thought
>> how far did she get along with this
>> that is classified Annie you know but I
did get a second person David Realman
who's the adviser to the president on
biod defense to confirm with me that
that was actually located in her handbag
and caused serious concern.
>> Well, now imagine if they never found
her, they never caught her and she
completed that.
>> I mean, it's really terrifying.
>> It wipes out most of the country.
>> And also just in the most horrific way.
I mean, you know, like having to like
look at your pet and be like, is my pet
rabbit? It's just
>> your thoughts. Now she's connecting to
some higher official who's giving her
confirmation. What do you say about
that?
>> Yeah. Well, I've got one of my
colleagues here just got the guy's email
because I want to talk to him because I
know it's nonsense because I've seen all
the evidence. I know he didn't say that
because he seems like a decent professor
at Stanford and I can't believe for one
second he did it. I will say this that
Annie Jacobson has written all sorts of
TV programs including, you know, the
Jack Ryan series. Um, and all of the
stuff she's doing would be great.
Television and some nonsensical
fictional thing where we terrify America
with rabies killing us all. It's just
nonsense. And you can't scientifically
you can't have rabies through the air
across America killing everyone. It's
just physically impossible. Um, so it's
all very good for for one of her TV
series as long as it's fiction and not
to treat once with that.
>> She's really got Joe Rogan going. She's
really into He's like, "Wow, man." You
know, thank God they caught her. Thank I
mean, imagine what would have happened.
Let's continue on.
>> That's not like this is the only time
they thought of that. This is the only
person that they tried to recruit to do
this kind of stuff. There's probably
someone out there right now. Mhm.
>> Hence your book.
>> I mean, I interviewed this guy, very
famous, legendary CIA officer named
Ralph Moat Larson, and he led the
the counterw team, biological weapons
maker for al-Qaeda. And like, you know,
it's just chilling. It's basically you
get the feeling like that Rol said I got
them to agree to stop temporarily
temporarily.
>> Temporary.
>> What do you think? I mean, someone who's
like yourself, you got people like the
former attorney general, going back to
the presidential candidates, you know,
especially Ramsey Clark who know who
knew the law, who really knew the the
the the case, someone like you now who's
invested time flying to Afghanistan,
taking the time, but then how do you
look at someone like this, Amy? You're
you're you're being very polite. you're
very uh c you know cordial and I can see
you're a very nice person to talk to
even though you know she's uh when you
look at her she's telling a story and
she's very persuasive.
How much of this is this is she
consciously she knows or is she also
misled herself or but then when you look
at the books that she's written before
fiction books is she just been sold out
to she wants to sell her product that's
it at all cost she just doesn't really
care.
I mean, you can find people who believe
anything. Yeah. King Charles in England
right now is one of the 5% of people who
think they've actually met the space
alien. And you know, I'm not convinced
that is right. I'm not convinced that
any of these people have met space
aliens. I'm not convinced that Annie's
met space aliens. Um, and and for me,
that's not because they're bad people.
King Charles is a nice chap, you know. I
they're just delusional that they were
taking LSD or something at the time. I'm
not sure what they were doing. I don't
think Annie just thinks she's making
stuff up. I think she thinks she's a
genuine journalist. But that makes her
very dangerous because what she's
hearing is utter utter nonsense. And you
know, it's my job to defend people who
are on the receiving end of this stuff.
And I I have not a lot of sympathy for
Annie. She makes lots of money off all
these things. I have an enormous amount
of sympathy for Afia Sadiki who is
currently rotting being abused in a
horrible horrible prison and she's been
locked up for 23 years without seeing
her children. I have a lot of sympathy
for her because she's innocent.
>> Yeah. And uh like you said, very
dangerous. Joe Rogan just had a very
dangerous guest on his program and we
really
really want him to uh do the right
thing, you know, do the right thing.
>> I you know I think people Joe Rogan gets
a bad rap from some people. I don't
think he's a bad guy talk.
>> No, I don't think so either. No.
>> Yeah. I think he gets people on his
program from all walks of life and we
just do need to sort that we read from
the chat and you know he can have Annie
on all he likes as long as we agree that
it's just fiction but it's when she
starts terrifying Americans with things
that are just nonsense uh and that that
terrif terrifying of people leads to you
know this prejudice and abuse of some
totally defenseless woman that that
really kind bugs me I'm afraid and
that's where we got to step in and put a
stop there.
>> Do you think there could be now some
hope here because through his program
it's actually getting people talking
about it again. So people go down that
rabbit hole and they're going to be like
hold on like like they listen to this
and now uh they look at the facts you
know and they see like hold on this this
lady's lying and then this is going to
create more momentum. Is that possibly
good that growth on this?
>> Let me tell you this. I mean, first I'm
very grateful to you for for having this
show and talking about it in a sensible
way. Uh and and I do think there are
people who are willing to approach this
with an open mind. I think it's very
very hard to counteract the prejudice of
something like Annie's silly book. Um
because you know what are we going to
do? So I I am working with Alazer at the
moment on a program that will expose
everything that's possible. There are
several things I can't say because
they're classified and they're
classified by the same people who
classify that CIA nonsense. But Alazer,
I've helped them interview all the
witnesses I've talked to and what they
say to Al Jazer is not classified
because I want the American people to
hear the truth. Um, and I want them to
do the right thing.
And so I think we will get the story out
there in the end. It is a fabulous
story. If Annie wants to write a
thrilling television story, you should
tell the truth. The one reason I I write
books, right? I like writing books. I
only write non-fiction books is honestly
I don't need to have the imagination to
make stuff up like Annie. the things
that people do to each other in our
world are so shocking in the first place
that we just don't report the truth and
and that's fine.
>> Yeah. And like you said, I do I like uh
Joe Rogan and I think now it forced me
it compelled me to go ahead when I saw
that clip. I said there I reported on
this before. We spoke about this before.
No, this is not right. This this is uh
he's been hoodwinkedked. This is uh and
then uh I saw your your tweet there.
You're actually the attorney and I said,
"Okay, let's let's get the facts for
somebody who's representing her case pro
bono." Uh let's go ahead and uh it
wasn't just Joe Rogan's program. It
seems like she's being featured now on
different podcasts. Let's have a look at
this one.
>> The FBI. This is during the height of
the war on terror. She was an MIT
trained microbiologist who was linked to
Khaled Shake Muhammad and this FBI was
after her after the 9/11 terrorist
attacks. FBI was after her. They heard
she was developing boweapons. They
couldn't find her. They finally found
her. This part is all reported. They
finally found her, you know, acting
strange outside a police station in
Afghanistan. Uh there was a big sort of
kurfuffle. She grabbed a gun. Someone
was shot. I mean, it's all very millions
of conspiracies have been developed
around this. She's now in a state
facility in Texas for 80 years in in a
penitentiary, in a mental institution.
This is the unreported fact that Lawler
told me and was confirmed by a second
person, which is shocking to your point
about making something airborne.
in her bag, in her handbag, she had
plans
to create a chimera weapon that mixed
rabies.
>> Okay, she's repeating the same thing
that she said on Joe Rogan's program.
But do you think that's interesting now?
Now she's I I was surprised that Okay.
She was on Joe Rogan's and now she's
being Did you see uh did you know about
this interview?
>> Oh, yeah. That's Danny Jones. And it was
actually totally inconsistent with what
she said on Rogan in many ways. She in
Rogan she says he was out that Alfia was
outside the governor's house. Here she
says that she was outside the police
station. Neither of those is true. She
was outside the bin mosques and that's
she was there because she' been told by
the CIA that she could have her daughter
back if she waited there. She waited
there for seven hours and no one brought
her daughter there. No one could talk to
her because she didn't speak fast until
finally this guy who I found in Gadney,
Muhammad Ashal Muhammadi um came up and
talked to her and he was the one who
saved her life because they dressed her
son up in what looked like a suicide
bomber jacket. It was the middle of
summer in Afghanistan and very hot and
he had a winter coat on with four
pockets. And uh in those pockets were
big bits of fruit to make him look like
a suicide bomber. And the plan was that
she was to be shot. The only reason she
wasn't shocked was because this chat
Muhammad stood in front of her and said
to to the 40 police officers am with
their AK-47s that she wasn't a suicide
bomb. So that's what really happened.
But there's a funny part to all of this
because now she says she's not talking
about Ralph Moat Lassen anymore. She's
talking about this chap James Doler, a
CIA guy who she said this all came from
about the rabies. Well, you know, one of
the amusing things about that is Mr.
Lawler's nickname is Mad Dog. Mad Dog
Lola. And he's called Mad Dog Lawler
because once he was bitten by what was a
rabid dog and so that's what they called
it. Now, you know, here we are with this
whole fantasy about rabies. I don't know
whether Mr. Zora made it up because he'd
been bitten by a rabid dog and he's not
dead. So, he survived thankfully. I
don't know where that comes from, but
it's all just a fabulous fictional story
that they made up, but the truth is
pretty fabulous as well.
Now, this uh I mean it doesn't stop
there. It's really spreading. I mean,
this is another uh major channel
that's on X. Uh are you familiar with
this? Mario Nefell?
>> I know this is a new one on me. I'd like
to I'll talk to Mario.
>> You know Mario?
>> No, I don't. I never heard him.
>> Okay. So, he's one of the bigger um
platforms there on Elon Musk X. And you
can see here um he's also reporting on
this. So this is gaining traction now.
More people are discussing this and
they're running with uh the
misinformation and the lies that we're
getting. Um
>> you know and another thing that's
mentioned here is on the most wanted
list and that the FBI was searching for
Afia for five years from 2003 to 2008.
There's a reason they couldn't find her.
And the reason is that she was in CIA
custody the whole time being tortured by
the CIA. Now, I can prove that because I
got a whole series of witnesses. I
somehow doubt you're going to get the
CIA to come on your program and admit
it. But, and you all of this stuff
again, it would just be funny if it
wasn't true that they're all going
around saying that Afia is the evil
person, Rose, in fact, the things they
did to her were just inhuman.
As we're talking uh in my last program
that I did on this years ago, there was
a individual. He's someone who's a
college student and he made a comic
book. How accurate is that? Have you
seen that comic book that sketches out
uh step by step what happened? How
accurate is that? Maybe we can go ahead
and show it.
>> Yeah, show it. It is pretty accurate. I
know more now than they knew then, but
it is pretty accurate. Yeah.
>> So, before we conclude, what else can
you tell us? What would you tell Joe
Rogan? What would you tell people like
Mario, um, Amy? I mean, people who
really want to know, uh, sincere people
who want to know the facts.
>> Well, the first thing I'd say is when
you have great power, it's really
important that you use it carefully. And
I say that to Joe just as I would say it
to the CIA who had immense power. And
I'm afraid in this case, people haven't
used it carefully. And and and they are
just flat wrong. And I would be very
very happy to share all the true facts
with anyone who wants to know it. And
there are still I'm trying to get
declassified some of the material that I
know that further prove just what
nonsense on the CIA thought they knew. I
can say I can tell you this. I I I've
taken a statement from one of the secret
agents who was familiar with this back
in 2002. And I can't tell you the
details now because it's classified, but
I can tell you this. The agent lists
everything they thought they knew about
Afia Sadiki and every single thing they
stated as fact was wrong. So this was
just an example of intelligence being
deeply deeply flawed. And and what I
advise uh to all these people is before
you go defaming
a totally defenseless truly traumatized
woman who's lost her whole life, her
children and everything. Please, please
be responsible. Just just call me up.
I'll I'll share with you the truth to
the once I can do it, which is pretty
long, 370 pages. Um and and you can make
up your own rhinestones. What I thought
was interesting here in this uh comic
series one part where it talks about why
was she captured and he says that in the
four years between 2001 2005 it is
estimated that uh Perez Bashar the
previous president I believe it was of
was it Pakistan that he handed over 400
to 800 prisoners to the US who were
mainly innocent but the capture made was
uh to justify the war on terror and I
believe if I'm not mistaken for each
person that they handed over money was
exchanged for I don't know was it like
$50,000 or something so it's like it
gives you uh the motive kind of there
it's business
>> well and we're not making that up
because General Masher wrote a book
called In the Line of Fire and if you
look at page 234
is rather terrible book. Uh it boasts
right there that you know more than half
of the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay were
sold for bounties to to the CIA. Now I'd
been to Guantanamo Bay 42 times. I like
to say it is my Caribbean resort of
choice. I've represented 87 prisoners.
Every single one so far we've proven
innocent. Not to my satisfaction. not to
my satisfaction, but in order to get
someone out of there, you have to get
all six of the top uh US intelligence
agencies to say, "This guy's no threat
to anyone." And in every case, that's
been the case. So, they've been wrong
100% of the time with my clients. Now, I
would never have believed that. Back in
2002 when I brought first case against
Granton, I never ever would have
believed that the CIA could get it that
wrong. But the reason they did get it
wrong was they were paying bounties and
$55,000
in Pakistan is the equivalent of a
million dollars in America. So look to
the person on your right and te ask
yourself for a million dollars would I
lie about that person and make up a
story saying they were a terrorist? And
if the answer for one second is yes,
then you know why everyone ended up in
Guantanamo Bay. There's one thing
further for Afia. She was sold that also
the other thing they did was they had a
little picture book and [clears throat]
they tortured people to tell a story
about people in the picture book. the
people they were torturing
uh looked at the pictures and they were
mostly men and there was one woman and a
lot of these guys were were conservative
Muslim people from around the world and
you'll forgive me for saying a terrible
griminalization but teeny bit chauvinist
sometimes and the men identified Afia
because they thought no one would
believe them. They thought no one would
be stupid enough to believe that a
leader of al-Qaeda was a woman because
there weren't any women. And so people
did that and and actually there's this
woman who calls herself the queen of
torture who took Afia's picture to Hal
Shake Muhammad the guy who Annie
Jacobson mentioned who was this guy
behind 911 and he was being waterboarded
at the time and he initially said no I
have no idea who this woman is. They
waterboarded a bit more and he said, "Oh
yeah, she's a leader of al-Qaeda." And
if you look at this is all in the Senate
report on torture. If you look at
footnote 1898 of the Senate's report, it
lists nine people who were tortured um
in that incident with Halik Muhammad by
the Queen of torture who was a CIA
agent. And all nine of those people they
thought were terrorists. I've
represented. It's real. We've exonerated
seven of them. The eighth one was
murdered by this by the ISIS, the
Pakistan intelligence when they were
abusing him. And the ninth person left
in prison is Afia Sadiki. What is the
probability that Afia is the only guilty
persons out of the nine people
identified on water boarding? You know,
it's just I've spent a lot of time
working on this case. I can tell you
everything about it. Uh, and it's it's
just so sad to see these people with
power abusing their power in such a
terrible way.
>> You think this was deliberately set up
now at a time where it might have been
getting some more traction and now
conveniently you have someone like this
uh Amy the Liar comes out with this
story at just this time to kind of smear
and to put out false information. Now,
as you're as you're gaining some uh
momentum with this case,
>> well, I do think the the CIA does that
sort of thing. I mean, they're never
going to admit that they tortured an
innocent woman, that they pretended to
torture her children in front of her,
that they actually did abuse two young
American children uh in the way they did
and probably murdered the third. They're
never going to admit that right now. And
I'm not asking them to I'm not even
asking them to say the simple words, I'm
sorry. I'm just asking them to let this
poor woman go to a hospital where she be
properly treated outside the US where we
can try to get her sanity back and where
we can let her see her children. But I
knew they were going to do this and
that's why long before I went public
with it, I got statements from from the
Secret Service Agency in America. I've
got statements from ISI intelligence
agents from Pakistan. I've secretly
recorded the people who actually
kidnapped her in the first place. So,
I've got the goods on them and they can
do what they want. I don't care because
we got the goods on them. And the more
they make me fight, the worse it's going
to be for them. Uh, and you know, I say
that in a vaguely threatening way
because I mean it because I'm here to
protect Afia who has no other
protection. And these people should just
put their hands up, say sorry, and we'll
move on.
>> Where do you see this going?
>> Well, and we're going to win in the end.
We always win because justice is on our
side. I have no question that we're
going to get this woman justice. It's a
matter of how much time it takes. I'm a
pathetic person who keeps my time sheets
right. So, I can tell you I got 4,000
hours of work, proono work in this case,
and I'm going to carry on doing it until
I get her out. I don't care how long it
takes because if I don't do that, my
dear mother, who is the dearly departed
in heaven, she'd strike me dead. So, I
don't have a choice. Uh, so we're going
to get her out. There's no question. And
the more they make me work, the more
we're going to to expose what they did.
And I keep telling these people that. uh
and either they listen or they don't.
But I I kind of enjoy it, so I don't
care what they do.
>> Uh let's go ahead and close up. Any
closing comments? Uh for the average
person who's who sees the injustice
that's happening, who has a has a heart,
their conscious is on, anything they can
do, anything the average person can do.
They don't want to be affiliated with
anything uh of of a terrorist nature,
anything. But they've gotten past the
fog and they see like, hold on, this is
a grave injustice that's happening. And
they they want to speak up. what what
what uh what could the average person do
to to help you to help this uh this
case?
>> Well, the first thing you have to
remember that in every great religion be
it Islam, Christianity, Jew, Judaism or
whatever um to save one life is to save
all of humanity. And and that's the
truth. And you can't stand aside when
injustice is going on because injustice
to anyone is injustice to every
everyone. Um so we have to we have to
solve this. We can't just say oh it's
not my problem. Uh so there are many
things you can do. The most simple is
you can write letters to Afia. She is
deeply traumatized, but I gather up
their letters and there's an email
address called letters4gmail.com.
That's lts
and then the number four and then afia a
a fia agmail.com.
Those will come to me. I will assemble
those and get them into afia and it
gives her great moral strength even
though she's suffering so much. But then
beyond that, there are people of all
sorts. If you just happen to be a
microbiologist, you can offer your
support to debunk the nonsense about
this airborne rabies stuff where there
are other things like whether you can
shoot down satellites. Some of if you're
an engineer, you can help me on that.
I'm a scientist, I could do it, but I'm
a lawyer so I can't. Um, so then you can
do other things. Uh, we need to get her
um moral support in prison. So we need
people to support us in getting Imma
Imam Omar Sulean in to see her so she
can get that moral support till we get
her out of there. We need doctors to
support us in terms of getting her
treatment. They won't let me get an
independent doctor into that prison
which is just disgusting. Why won't they
do that? Hard to believe. Um and then
you can do other things. You can you can
we can always look I do all this for
nothing but I run a charity and you're
welcome to donate to my nonprofit. Um
but but I'm not making people do that.
I'm going to do this regardless. Um and
you could you can just do whatever you
can for your neighbors as well. You
don't have to only focus I'm up here.
Just want to focus on other people who
need your help. And always remember
this. Those of you listening into your
the program, you're privileged. You're
you're mainly in America. We're all
privileged. Um and there are always
people who are less fortunate than us.
And that means that our duty, according
to my mother and according to your holy
books, is to help the people who need
your help. So just get out there and do
it.
>> God bless you. Thank you very much,
Kyle. Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you.