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you
Salam alaikum brother TV welcome to the
bee show thank you for coming on to
detail hum to the law all praises to
Allah God I thank you for coming out how
you doing it's my pleasure it's good
everything's fine I'm travelling around
and stopped up in Chicago and found you
on the little lock so we brought you on
the D show today we want to ask you a
few questions we heard that you weren't
always milonga have you how long ago did
you accept this would be Campbell some
15 years ago at the age of 20 at the age
of 20 yeah and before this you were I
was a Christian were you a practicing
Christian not really but I was raised in
that environment I was somewhat of a
practicing Christian as a Christian what
you believed I believed in the Trinity
and you know what this was yeah you know
definitely Moses you know if you ever
hear in the Bible yeah my grandfather
was a preacher he founded a Christian
college so okay
as far as knowledge I had a lot of
knowledge of Christianity so you
believed in the Trinity yeah the whole
nine yards original sin
okay somebody accent yeah the Lamb of
God the whole nine yards okay
so somebody would say like men so from a
point of view of literacy I was very
literate yeah this is my issue is I
didn't believe it so I didn't practice
so could somebody say look this brother
didn't know his Bible this brother
didn't know his Christian you say that I
want to I want to church three times a
week three times a week yeah yeah okay
so and what point in your life did you
make a turn I would say early on as a
youngster when I first started learning
about the concept of the Trinity and
just not being able to to digest that
God could be three or one of three that
there was a lamb who had to be sin to
die for my sins who's this lamb you're
talking about Jesus Jesus when I had
studied even in the church basically the
old testament that god almighty is the
one who forgive sins and he's the
all-powerful magnificent awesome God so
I was like their two gods there's a god
of the Old Testament and there's a new
Pauline type God which appears in the in
passages in the New Testament so this
started to not make sense to you
yeah immediately it didn't make system
yet as soon as I heard it it did make
sense did you go up to your higher-ups
some of the priests I went to my mother
and I asked her you know we believe that
Jesus the Son of God he died for our
sins he's a sacrificial lamb she said
yes and I said and that's the key for so
that's the key to salvation baptism is
the key to salvation and she said yes
then I said well what about the prophets
who preceded him who didn't believe in
him they didn't you know they didn't let
you know Abraham prayed to one God Moses
prayed to one God Jesus himself didn't
didn't ever Ignasi he was God he prayed
to God himself so what's the deal and
she couldn't explain it to me okay now
from here what role did you start to
lead did you leave Christianity did you
go and start to investigate all that I
mean most definitely we can say all
religions have a lot of beneficial
things about them yeah especially in the
area of character and so on so anyone
who turns his back from any tradition
religious tradition is it gonna is gonna
collapse ethically for the most part so
I went into kind of a gang lifestyle
hip-hop lifestyle drugs
I heard you in jail you were DJ yeah
yeah DJing and so on and so forth and
became really immersed into that that
subculture at that time hip-hop was
definitely a subculture wasn't you know
like you see it now everywhere so tell
me this okay so we got away from the
concept of of God being a Trinity okay
this didn't make sense and the whole
thing was it difficult because you had a
one-way ticket a ticket now as
Christians believe if I take Jesus as my
Lord and Savior
it's finished I got a free ride how is
some for some people it's hard to
disappear lotto ticket no no no doubt
that it was a tough decision to make
theologically because I was raised that
way for so long so I actually took three
years to become US I didn't become
Muslim in
like you know and a fly-by-night thing I
sit down and read the Koran read a few
books about it how'd you get ahold of
the Quran I went to the library and
checked it out but was there something
because was there a stigma at at that
time like there is today about Islam
that again because of hip-hop I was
pretty culture illiterate
I knew what the Quran was by listening
to hip-hop so I knew that it was double
kind of Muslims and I just wanted to go
reading so it's something just you were
searched and there was always a feeling
in the streets that the Muslims were
right there was a feeling unfortunately
that's changed now because many Muslims
are engaged in bad things yeah in all
areas especially in the bad
neighborhoods where they're selling pork
and beer and poison to people that image
has been kind of hurt but in those days
we because of Malcolm X specifically in
his conversion we saw Muslims is like
our last anchor for like salvation and
to get ourselves correct we always said
look man if you want to get yourself
correct go with the Muslims over there
yeah just straight you out uh-huh so
this what happened you wanted to get
straightened out or you were looking to
get straightened out or I mean that life
was kind of a master I had success as
far as material success but internally I
was very empty so I was you know asking
myself why do you feel depressed why do
you feel sad if you have you know girls
the money the DJ in the clubs the Bloods
the gang I belong to everything is going
well but why internally do you feel this
emptiness and then I realize that the
only way to quench that spiritual thirst
was to race and discover who the Creator
was can God be a man is that possible
for God to be a man no not at all why is
that because God is unlike his creation
if you make God like its creation will
start to work as what worship his
creation but the one who has the right
to be worshipped has to be unique
different than everything else it can be
like his creation because Allah says no
Quran well let me a cool level poof or
not there's nothing like God you cannot
make God's image that's why in the Old
Testament it says do not make my image
don't try to make the image of that so
if we make him creation the first color
is question is excuse me the first
question is what color is he what does
he look like so you go to church for
example you see Ricky Martin is God you
go to another church it's it's you know
very white you go to another church in
its Axl Rose who's God so when we make
God a man we immediately create
injustice in society by making one man
better than another minute
and tell me now you said that God can't
be a man that's quite simple and in
Islam it clearly differentiates God from
his creation he's just like okay how
about God having a son can God have a
son no we cannot because the same
argument applies if he has the son then
that makes him like his creation then
what color was the son what did he look
like what was his shape what language
did he speak okay so immediately when we
throw that into the mix we allow other
human beings to be ingest to other human
beings that's the whole doctrine of sham
that you see in the Old Testament where
people say that the black man is cursed
or the white man is cursed because they
were the sons of Noah and then Jesus
came and this led basically to some you
know some very sick ideologies and
philosophies a few more points and then
we'll come to a close tell us what is
Islam but before that real quick you
mentioned the word Allah what is this
for someone who's never heard this term
along what does this get me Allah is the
Arabic word for God and it's a little
bit different than the English word
because it cannot be given a feminine
tense or plural tense you just say Allah
you can say Allah like a woman or laws
with an S or an es and also it means the
absolute
YOUnique possessor of attributes and
qualities which nothing is even remotely
like unique awesome and his in his power
extremely merciful
this is Allah the one who has the right
to be worshipped the name itself means
the one was the right to be worshipped
it is right because we see people
worshiping things all the time brother
worship and drugs worshiping cars watch
different girls worship and fame washing
their bodies when we work out you see
all them guys looking in the mirror and
just lifted weights you know you didn't
change man there's not that much blood
being pumped into your muscles right now
but the idea of worship is innate to the
human being we've been created to
worship so if we don't worship the
Creator will worship something else and
that leads to destruction so allah the
name is the one one has the right to be
worshipped alone subhana wa ta'ala makes
perfect sense tell us what is Islam say
about this crucifixion and this someone
dying for your self number one we
respect other religions and when we talk
about them we shouldn't be rude or
aggressively now Allah says what is so
good Lizzy near the Ottoman duty left
here so polynomial said it in the Quran
it says you are forbidden to insult
other peoples got absolutely so when
we're talking about this is this for the
sake of information but of course as you
know the Quran clearly states war market
I know who AM L saw there who who what I
can sugar them that they did not crucify
Jesus they did not they did not fulfill
their dream of crucifying but it was
only an image or a likeness of Jesus so
we do not believe that he was crucified
he was raised to the heavens peace be
upon him and he will be sent back not as
a prophet or the Son of God but as a
human being and as a member of the
Muslim community through the end of time
what about this original saint or
someone dying for your sins we believe
in original goodness brother we don't
believe in original sin we're not gonna
give a murderer an excuse for killing
somebody we're not gonna give a madman
who goes out or harms people or molest
little children recently I saw a man
killed
man your girl that's why terrorism and
Islam is for business forbidden to kill
people those people could not use as an
excuse that they were born into original
sin we say no you're born into original
goodness what you do with yourself and
there's a book now by a guy named mark
Hauser from the University of from from
Harvard called the moral minds and he
says every human being is equipped with
what with a natural moral compass which
leads them to be good people if they if
they develop them so we don't believe in
original sin you know a few old money
and I owe money hey you gotta take care
of your own your own debt I have to take
care of my own head
it's not fair to blame you for my debt
that will be injustice and God is not
unjust yes we can go on and on with all
these and we're just trying to hit some
points to give you a beautiful taste
about Islam tell us brother what is so
unique about it's not because we hear
there's so many people women are coming
to a song of you're more than men is
that so with the swamp what's so unique
about it one thing is first of all the
propaganda or the negative actions of
Muslims out there create in people's
mind the nightmare image of what Muslims
are and homeless ones are but once they
get close to our community they you know
they eat some chicken bones with this
man and hang out what else they see how
we are they see that we're you know
people from the community we're here
working for the good of America we're
not out here to harm anyone and do
anything wrong it kind of flips them out
and that causes them to say man these
people are actually really nice decent
people very loving people concerned
people because Islam is pushing us not
only to be good to our Lord but the
other important aspect of Islam is to be
good to its Gration no matter who they
are once a Jewish man his funeral press
by the Prophet as related by Imam Abu
Hadi and the Prophet stood up and the
companion said how could you stand up he
said this is a soul this is a human
being so when people see that we're not
the terrorists you know Archaea type
this on TV the madman is going to jump
on a plane and do something wrong or
harm someone you know they're shocked
and then they want to learn and they see
man they believe in Abraham they believe
in Joseph they believe in Mary they
believin in
David and Solomon I didn't know that I
thought they only believed in some Arab
guy you know and then they don't want to
kill us they you know they don't hate
the white man so they see all of the
truth things about its name the
simplicity of Islam to worship God to
pray to be good to others and they
fought for it man because they said wow
this is the truth
so these things touch my heart and I
already know these things I can imagine
someone who's really got a sincere heart
and open mind I mean this just goes down
easy does Islam have anything to do with
terrorism not at all
Islam does not have anything to do with
terrorism and we we categorically
denounce without any any reservation are
acts of indiscriminate violence all over
the world in America or in any foreign
land any any act that's committed
against innocent civilians and innocent
people is completely forbidden in this
thing tell us what the Prophet said that
a woman who killed a cat she tortured
her cat like now we have Michael Vick
right he know he's in trouble for
torture and dogs I was thinking the
Prophet told the woman who tortured the
cat like the woman who has this quality
if she doesn't repent she's gonna go to
hell if that's the case of a cat brother
what about human beings who live around
us every day
you said prophet a few times and then he
said peace be upon him so a solemn word
for someone's like prophet who they
talking about this prophet can you
explain what is Prophet Muhammad and all
of the prophets we believed had the same
message when the dismisses of truly he
died he was alive in the 7th century
after Jesus peace before this has
nothing to do with Elijah Muhammad or
anything this is Elijah Muhammad no none
of this no context Muhammad the 15th no
no no this was 1,400 years ago 1800
years ago what did this man bring and
what did he call the people to he
brought immerseus as is mentioned operon
II was sent as a mercy to humanity and
he brought justice to people he brought
equality to people he brought the
message of one God to the people and he
brought the idea that in order to be a
good worshipper of God you have to be
also good to the people
both of these are combined that's why he
said arsenicum immonen arsenical oka the
best of you in faith or the best of you
in care
so he didn't just bring the ferrous
itical understanding of religion but he
revived the message of all of the
prophets to serve God and serve the
people around you if you can fulfill
both of those you got a maintenance so
that's the main message of Islam to
worship your Lord with all your heart
one God yes and to do good to the people
and be good to the people including each
other we're gonna cut out just a couple
more questions tell us now for the
person that okay he's born Christian
he's born in this faith or whatever like
I said we're trying to educate the
people because there's a lot of
distortion out there about Islam but
tell us for the persons as you know what
I'm going to take a little bit from the
Christianity I'm going to take a little
bit from what I think you know is the
best way to get to God is this
acceptable because you see that a lot of
what you called if you per se if you
prescribed recognize really I don't want
to be a for any organizer if you
prescribed ecumenical if you prescribed
your own religion for yourself that you
became that you become a guy for your
God because you're the one dictating
what's right and what's wrong but you
have to submit you have to admit look
there are certain things that I just
don't understand and don't know and I
need to rely on a higher power to teach
me how to serve you but if I go to the
restaurant right if I go to the
restaurant I make up my own menu I'm not
gonna get served I might say I want to
look hey I want some catfish deep fried
with some broccoli and some rice and
they don't serve it so I'll be sitting
there all night long with the empty
plate so although I might have
visualized in my mind something is now
reality reality is you have to submit to
what's on the menu
and what's on the menu here is what God
Almighty has prescribed because he knows
better he knows better than we do we
have to forfeit that Allah yeah that
woman is a locker wahoo a lot different
up here in the Quran it says there's God
not know more than you about you but
your situation he knows what's better
for you so we have to forfeit the
desires brother and the arrogance and
submit ourselves to our Creator and
that's not easy check this out another
thing that's not easy all these
religious claiming this is the way how
do you get someone away from all this
and how do you get someone to to
acknowledge that this is actually a
religion a way of life I like to call it
from decree I have no problem with
someone compare
go ahead and compare that's fine go go
in and read but for us we say very
clearly the number one the message of
Islam is clear and easy for anyone to
understand number two the message of
Islam with regards to other people is
very clear and easy to understand number
three if someone researches the Quran
researches the statements of the Prophet
they will not find one in accuracy in
the per and or one in accuracy in the
statements of the Prophet peace be upon
him and that right there is enough to
lead you you don't have enough from the
Gospel according to this person and the
Gospel according to this person this is
the Book of Allah benefits before we
cook we want to know people want to know
what's up if I'm gonna submit I'm gonna
give up all the women and all the good
times you know I'm young I'm strong and
I'm ready to go but now you're talking
about submitting and you know leaving
all these good times what's in it for me
in this life in here are those really
good times that's the first question we
used to come home drinking wine thought
we had some good times got in right at
5:00 a.m. you know the club closed it -
yeah you felt like a wreck yes okay and
then later on in your life you start
getting sick because of how you lived
your life so number one of those really
good times or those just perceive good
times there's a woman who goes to the
club and gets used by a different guy
every week is this really a good time a
woman who walks around with no clothes
on and people are salivating over her
but she's a piece of hamburger meat in
the window is this really a good time
look at Britney Spears look at Lindsay
Lohan look at the finest women so so
so-called finest women in America
Beyonce look at their lifes they're
cracking in front of our very eyes going
to drug we have having problems with the
children we pray to God that God will
help them to be good mothers but we're
seeing in front of our eyes those people
who had the best of signs are those
really the best of times the worst of
times so let's ask ourselves are these
really the best in terms of we make our
desires and our passions of God who's
not
the times so by overcoming your desires
and gaining some self-discipline you
gain a feeling that you never had before
of serving your freedom for the person
now that is penetrated his heart and
he's like what do I do now how does
someone become a muscle how easy it is
to get in contact with someone but
before they said all you have to do is
say I bear witness that there's no god
but God Muhammad is the messenger in the
air but suppose he comments for
obviously I just want to encourage
people to get to know their Muslim
neighbors to spend some time with us and
you'll see insha'Allah God willing a
good good community's a very very
beneficial community for the people here
in America and may God bless every
brother I like to thank you so much
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