if you notice right here it's talking
about in the Old Testament you see this
where it has this reference to a
begotten son but it's not even talking
about Jesus to start with here's another
reference to some sons of God in the
plural we're looking at that when we put
this together with this and then we
start loing it hold on hold on one
second sh let let's get the audience and
the viewers in on what we're talking
about oh are we on we're on yes we are
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show where we try to bring you a new
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special guest and today we're sitting
with Sheikh yusf Estus former Christian
Christian minister preacher and we're
talking about can God have a son what do
the scriptures say about God having a
son well Eddie this is an excellent
topic and it's not one that you're going
to just jump on real quick and run away
from because you're going to stir up a
lot of hornets on this one and the
reason for that is because people have
been told for many many many centuries
not just years centuries that there is a
Son of God this is a popular notion
amongst the Christians but it's also a
notion among some other religions as
well some of them talk about God having
sons and daughters and gods that are
Sons and Daughters of other gods of
course that's Greek and Roman mythology
you have a god called mithas which
actually is in a lot of ways influencing
the teachings of the early Catholic
Church you have another God that comes
to us from the early Egyptians who also
has uh this mother father son God
triangle or Trinity relationship but
what we want to talk about specifically
now does
Scripture does Scripture really offer
this notion the actual scriptures and
and it's going to be my contention
that's not it's not true first of all
and this is very important to know that
the scriptures were not revealed in the
English language so it's very unfair to
have a dialogue talking about
translations of something that you know
good and well there's no way that was
ever in the English language so you must
immediately now go back to something
that you translated from if you go back
to the Latin and you want to talk about
the Latin translations or the
translations to English from Latin
you're going to immediately find serious
problems even if you go all the way back
to the time of Jerome when he did the
Latin Vulgate because this as as an
historical document it's a fabulous
thing but as far as being 100% accurate
the the Catholic Church themselves have
said we would never use this as the
actual reference point for the Bible but
it is a historical document and a great
document it is there's no doubt about it
what we want to say here now is that the
Bible as it came in the original form
doesn't exist today now that should not
be evidence for somebody to give up
their faith and walk away I don't want
that I I've seen it happen to some of
the scholars in fact most of the
scholars when they get to that point
they just give up and say okay I'll be a
Bible scholar but I'm not going to be a
Christian anymore now one of the case
and points that we've talked about in
some of your other programs for those
who didn't know it Bart uh eron as his
name was a real born again I guess
Christian believing in the Bible as the
absolute and positive word of God and
studied at the Moody Bible Institute
here in Chicago but then when he goes
off to Princeton and learns from the
archaeological finds the real
manuscripts with a Hands-On application
he says none of this is the real deal
anymore we've been lied to and this is
not just a man filling in the blanks
this is a man who went really deep into
the originals and the copies of the
copies of the copies he's highly
respected even today in his field now
what he says in his books and you can
purchase these at Barnes & Noble Borders
Books of Music
amazon.com uh is it called amazon.com
where they have yeah you can go there
and get these books read them for
yourself and he's talking about lost
christianities he's talking about
misquoting Jesus these are the titles of
his books you can see for yourself and
he's saying we don't have a copy of a
copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of
anything that came from an original
Source but the bad news the really bad
news is he became an atheist totally
gave up on God and this is what we don't
want we're Muslims but we don't want
Christians to give up we're Muslims but
we don't want the Jews to give up we
don't want anybody to give upon faith we
totally believe in God but what we're
offering here is not an apologetic view
we're not apologists what we are saying
is we can show you some very important
information from script scriptures that
are still authentic today the scripture
what I'm talking about now is the
recitation of God's words recitation to
the angel Gabriel that same Angel who
brought recitation to the prophets
before brought that same type of re uh
recitation to Jesus peace be upon him
and then finally to Muhammad peace be
upon him and it's called the recitation
Al Quran means the recitation it doesn't
mean a book that you write down and you
know fold up and stick in your pocket
although you can write down the Arabic
of the Quran the real Quran is what's
recited memorized and taught from
generation to generation MH okay and
what's being recited today memorized
today is exactly the same as it was
1,400 years ago and was revealed so I'm
giving first and foremost some credit
here to scripture saying that the Quran
is still exent and you can go to it and
you can rely on it because we have 10
million human beings plus who have
totally memorized it and they're all
ages from 6 to 96 and they have totally
memorized it around the world different
languages still they all memorized the
exact same way it's not there's not two
different qurans out there okay the next
thing is in the Quran
itself it says that it is a revelation
from God it says it is the recitation of
God and it says that the previous
Revelations were also in the past tense
it says that this one though is going to
be preserved preserved and we know that
God's preserving it and we know also
from Islam that he will preserve this
until the sun rises
from its point of setting meaning that
the sun will rise up in the west instead
of the East and until that happens we
still got the Quran and and by the way
this morning here in Chicago where the
dean show is being broadcast from we
know that the sun came up from the East
aldah for that I want to look now to
what we have from the English of the
Bible and help people understand
something about what we can prove even
though it's English even translation I
said you lost original we can still
prove some things because we do have
something that's authentic which is the
Quran mhm okay if we look to Psalms 2:7
you have a clear statement now this is
in the Old Testament it's called the Zu
in the Arabic language it said the here
is David David is addressing the
congregation he's turning his face he's
blessing the congregation this is
something he did other places in the
Bible you see he did that and he's
stating something to them about an
amazing day that this is this is the day
that he and God are having this special
relationship he's
saying I will proclaim the
decree of the Lord he meaning the Lord
said to me you are my son and this day I
have begotten
you clear now who's begotten
here David this is a relationship so if
you use it for Jesus peace first of all
hold on if I want to jump forward to the
New Testament and go to John 3:16 we
have for God so loved the world that he
gave his only begotten son that
whosoever believeth in him shall not
perish but have everlasting
life there's a lot of holes in this
immediately you're saying that he sent
his only begotten son it doesn't say
Jesus and if it's only if you're saying
only then it must be David cuz clearly
in the Old Testament long before Jesus
was born it already said that the
begotten Son of God is Who
David if David's a begotten son we got a
problem here no not a problem at all
you're just saying that you're
worshiping the wrong guy now you need to
shift and start worshiping David because
it doesn't say Jesus his only begotten
son referring back then I guess to 27
huh but no hold on a second that's not
the only place and if you thought it was
this is another
mistake go back and look in Genesis 62
Genesis 62 says the sons of
God that's plural now this is way back
this is way way way back before Abraham
before all of the prophets it's saying
the sons of God saw the daughters of
men what does that mean it sounds that
you got two kind of Creations here and
found them to be fair and took them to
Wed and went in unto them
mean take them to Wed and have you know
intercourse with them and from these are
coming the Mighty Men of old etc etc and
goes on but the point we're trying to
make here is what what is this sons of
God now let's go to chapter 2 in the
Book of Job The Book of Job chapter 2
and it says here that the sons of God
were going to and fro from the earth up
to heaven back and forth now some have
said well those are
angels well why didn't it say angels
and if you said well Son of God here
means Angel then how do you apply that
to David was David an angel and how do
you apply to Jesus is Jesus an angel and
if he's an angel then he's not a
man so I'm trying to explain to you that
the document that you're holding here
and saying this is the absolute word of
God that absolute word of God you got
doesn't say Jesus is the only begotten
son it says the only begotten son but it
doesn't say Jesus and if it's only you
got got to go back to chapter 2 verse 7
now you can go on of Psalms you can go
on and on quoting uh different verses
that are referring to Sons of God Son of
God for many as it led by the spirit are
the sons of God so many places why do
people take this exclusively for Jesus
well I think it's because this is what
they're taught this is I know I well I
grew up hearing the same thing myself I
preached the same thing because that's
what I was taught but you see I never
completed Seminary school I didn't go in
to like my father is was ordained
minister and he told us from the very
early on the Bible is the inspired word
of men God has inspired men to write and
they have written that's how you
Justified it and that makes a lot of
sense but if you said the Bible is
absolute word of God and it's got
mistakes in it wow you get a problem
there are contradictions in the English
translation of the Bible that are very
clear however if you go back to the
older manuscripts you're going to find
they didn't say that to start with and
then if you go way back if we could go
way back and find the originals which
you can't you'd find that there was
probably no contradiction at all
certainly not in the very original there
wouldn't be so uh let us talk about
Jesus for a minute or two and and think
about this uh it was a matter
decided a matter that was voted on
decided and conf confirmed by the
Council of NAA in the year 325
ad this is when it was alleged that that
uh Jesus is officially going to be
called Son of God let's look at it let's
go back a little bit you know for the
person that the Layman okay not the
preacher or the person that really knows
the scriptures the person like who's
just using his common sense when you say
that God had a son now you have God and
he has a son now you have two gods don't
you now you have a problem here for if
I'm using my rationale to think and I
say how can this be now you have two
Gods because obviously the son the baby
is going to grow up to be like the
father so how does how do you deal with
this now were you contemplating thinking
about this as being a former Christian
minister would you get stuck like
thinking like I wouldn't allow my mind
to go there I would just stop stop stop
just full stop another thing is if you
really want to think about it and again
I wouldn't let my mind go there if God
can have a son a male who is
uh anatomically correct his Anatomy is
male anatomy if you follow what I'm
saying so why can't he have a daughter
why can't why can't he have more I mean
sons and and why a son why not a
daughter a daughter is you know has the
capability of having more offspring does
this mean God is female and some have
alleged that God is
female and what I'm saying is that God
is neither male nor female because this
what we know in in the word Allah itself
God is not a man and he's not a woman
that's what it actually comes down
that's a good point because if you say
he had a son also now he's a male and
you've giving him a gender possibly hey
well You' given both of them G you're
opening you're opening a door a whole
door for just confusion you want to talk
about why do some of the women liers
today my sister happens to be one of
them she says the Bible needs to be
Rewritten and everywhere it says
creation God created needs to be she
created not he because she said well
women are the ones who create not men
men are procreators the women are the
creators according to her that's why
when God Almighty says in his last and
final revelation of mankind the Quran no
God does not have sons he does not have
daughters he is nothing like his
creation this fits now for him to will
something
you L you li will you God is not the son
of anything God is not the father of
anything and and I'm using it that way
because if you go back now and look in
numbers in the Old Testament numbers
2319 2319 numbers here's what it says
God is not a man that he should sin God
is not the son of man that he should
repent makes total sense let's take a
break and we'll be right back on the
dean
show welcome back to the dean show we
left off he does not beget nor is he
begotten we're talking about God we're
talking about God and he doesn't beget
he and he is not begotten and simplify
that he is not the father anyone nor
does he have any children and for him to
will something he basically says be and
it is this is simple this simple to diag
diagest okay let's go back to the early
early early times of the Christian
church now this is is a matter of fact
that one of the early fathers Church
fathers is he had this idea that Jesus
was created and not begotten Jesus was
created and not begotten we've already
discussed the fact that the Bible didn't
say it was Jesus when it talked about
begotten anyway it clearly states David
is the begotten Son of God okay so
whatever that
means okay it's not talking about Jesus
because even in John 3:16 it doesn't say
Jesus just says begotten son only
begotten son and now we have Aras saying
saying that no God didn't be God at
least not Jesus because he says Jesus is
created well for this he was considered
a heretic and he and his followers were
horribly persecuted by the church and in
3:25 ad the church the Catholic Church
which came into being at that time
officially and totally confirmed that in
fact Jesus was begotten and not created
so they went the other way and that's on
their website you can go to their
website and see it for
yourself there's another statement we
find in the Bible too and this is coming
in John 10:38 attributed to Jesus says
but if I do it even though you do not
believe me believe the Miracles that you
may learn and understand that the father
is in me and I am in the father what
does that mean another statement in John
4:10 don't you know that I am in the
father and the father is in me the words
that I say to you are not my own rather
it is the father living in me who is
doing this work but now watch this we'll
go down to uh same exact chapter which
is chapter 14 all you got to do is go 10
more verses this is 14:20 it says on
that day you will realize that I am in
the father I am in my father and you are
in
me and I am in you well what does that
mean because if you want to use part of
the Bible but not the rest of the Bible
what are you doing you're not being
rational anymore more if you want to
have a rational discussion you have to
be willing to look at all the evidences
and it's in the same chapter in the same
gospel saying and I'll repeat it on that
day you will realize that I am in the
father in my father and you are in me
and I am in
you H so does this mean that the
disciples are somehow living inside of
Jesus and if so are they also sons of
gods or are they Gods cuz he's talking
to his disciples
and what about them the people they
preach to do they get to live in those
people too and those people are living
in them and how does that work and why
the exclusivity how come only some
people get this living in deal you know
what kind how do you rent out your body
that somebody else can live in it I
don't know it it means that obviously
you don't know because you're taking a
translation of a language which is
translated from another language and in
between you have many many copers
copyist as they're world who have in in
maybe in all good intent still made a
lot of mistakes so you cannot rely on
this and it doesn't even make sense if
you try to say it like that let's let
Let's uh start to uh give people because
we're almost Running Out of Time the
alternative now we we we want to show
people that Islam came to clear all the
confusion there's a lot of confusion
over this and Islam makes it clear you
don't have to be confused anymore can we
go into what Islam says about this whole
thing a little deeper okay the
conclusion is even in the prayer of
Jesus himself that we find even in the
Bible today he says the pray for God's
will to be done he didn't say pray for
my will he said pray for God's will he
himself is praying to God why and how
how can he be praying to God and asking
and even in the prayer itself saying
even so this is what I want but even so
I don't want the cup you know but even
so your will be done your will he's
saying that for us we know in Quran that
Jesus is saying peace be upon me the day
I am born and the day that I die and the
day that I'm raised up again he's saying
this he is talking about he was born
he's talking about he's going to die and
God is not born and God doesn't die so
there's not a God and he's not the Son
of God and he's a prophet he's a mighty
Prophet a miracle birth yes and he's
telling us worship your God and my God
your lord and my Lord that is from Quran
and go look in the Bible you find he
said the same thing no oh Israel the
Lord your God is one Lord and you have
to love him with all your might all your
strength and all your heart how am I
going to do that if I split part of that
love for Jesus and part for doesn't
work how and why didn't he say love me
and God he said no oh Israel the Lord
your God is one Lord now someone going
to say where's the reference for that
it's in Mark 12: 29 Mark 12:29 we've got
all of this this documentation is on our
websites you can go to our website you
can see it for yourself 911 911 Bible
Bible that's your website this is where
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