and said, "Here's what's going to
happen. People call you racist. People
call you Islamophobic." Money. Oh, no.
This is a mafia as well. The Islamic
community is a mafia. Now, if Andrew
Tate now decided he didn't believe in
Islam. What do you believe in? Are you a
Christian or are you a Jew? Cowardice.
Because Islam has failed. Okay. Sneo. I
watch Sneo convert to Islam. Yeah. I
don't know why he's converted to Islam.
He's gay. Assalam alaikum. Let's not
waste any time. The last time my guest
Muhammad Hijab was on the show, this is
Muhammad Hajib, it was during a wave of
attacks on Islam led by Patrick bin
David and crew. I was almost under
Sharia law relative. That's our guy
Mohamad. Go ahead. Uh, was he a virgin?
If you're a Muslim, you can say yes,
we're winning. We're taking over. Well,
they're back at it again, doubling down
with the same old tired claims. Today
we're going to break it all down. We'll
watch some of the clips, respond with
facts, context, and clarity, and then
you can be the judge. Let's get right
into it.
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we are one
of Allah
and his final messengers. Muhamad peace
be upon him. This is our religion Islam.
This is the show. I love you.
When I was ready to talk about it, I
would only talk to you. I was explaining
how much respect I have for the faith of
Islam.
Welcome to the show. The show
years ago or 40 years ago and said
here's what's going to happen. People
call you racist. People call you
Islamophobic. Where is the passion
coming for you to want to go up and do
something about this? They're getting
our young girls hooked on heroin and
then they're prostituting them in in
pedophile gangs. The government know,
the police know, religious leaders know.
There's a conspiracy. How is that
possible? They control the drugs, the
violence in every town and city is
controlled by the Muslim community in
the UK now. They are the mafia. And this
is what Americans really need to get
ready for.
We've been called many things, but I
didn't know that we're the mafia now.
Yeah. It's what it is is that when
you've got someone who just says
anything without any backing, do you
know what I mean? like he's he's making
a sociological point without giving
sociological evidence. Then you can make
whatever point you want to make, you
know. Um the Muslims are about 6% of the
population in Britain. Um for them for
him to make an argument that we're
controlling Britain and the major cities
and stuff like that, it's a it's a very
very difficult argument to make
especially here like in the UK we don't
have guns, right? So if you consider the
fact that like we cannot have militias,
we cannot have what what there is there
in for example the United States of
America where there can actually be
effective control. Um then it's it's a
very preposterous claim to make to be
honest. It's almost unworthy of a
response.
I mean he's connecting you saying that
he's going to we're the Muslim
communities, the mafia going to get you
hooked on uh heroin, prostitution,
drugs. I mean this is all these all all
these things is what Islam calls you
away from. So how how does he jump and
make this this connection? And then you
have you have studies independent
studies that have been done that Muslims
are the least likely to drink group
religious group to drink alcohol, take
drugs, commit violent crimes compared to
the general population. And if anybody
does any research, this is what they're
going to come up with. But how does he
how does he excludes every other group,
every other religion, but he's got a
microscope somehow and he starts
connecting everything that we stay away
from. He's connecting uh to Islam. How?
And then the the ironic Patrick the
ironic thing is Patrick is a very
intelligent man and he's inviting
someone like this on to go ahead and
spew this uh this nonsense.
We'll get to the intelligence of Patrick
or lack thereof because I think that
he's good in his field. Patrick Bet
David is is a businessman. He's good in
his field. He knows how to make money
with the Ponzi scheme that he ran for
many years, whatever it is that got him
to where he's at. But whenever he speaks
about any of the issues that are topical
or pertinent, he always makes such
significant blunders that to be honest,
I wouldn't give him any praise
whatsoever. like um we'll get to some of
the things that he's been saying
recently, but on this point I think
you're absolutely right like you know I
mean the the funny thing is Tommy
Robinson himself
upon multiple testimonials, multiple
different reports and people they all
say that he's a junkie himself. He's the
one who takes cocaine and people say
that he takes um you know maybe heroin
as well and he's he's into prostitution.
So all the things he's essentially
projecting onto the Muslim community.
All the thing he does himself, he's
projecting it all onto the Muslim
community. Muslim community in Britain,
you know, don't forget like, you know,
half of it is men, half of it is women.
Uh 50/50 about, you know,
proportionately uh then you've got like
a a massive number of children in that
community as well. So if you remove the
women and children, then you're left
with I don't know like a 2 million maybe
even less than that men. Okay? And
Britain's got a population of 77 million
people. Like he's exaggerating the
effect of the Muslim community to try
and scare his already failed uh
demographic. They're failed in every
sociological metric. People that follow
Tommy Robinson are not, you know,
bankers in the city. They're not people
who are making lots of money and who are
educated at the highest levels. There
are usually people who are the lowest
echelons of socio so society and they
have very limited education. They have
very limited knowledge and they'll be
fooled and duped by these kinds of
things. And so he's able to, you know,
pedal these kinds of things. They're
going to convert your youth and when
they convert your youth through the
prison system or on the streets, they're
going to turn them so quickly and so
fast against America. the UK. Your
response here. He's saying that they're
going to convert your your youth and
they're going to turn them against the
country. They're going to turn them
against America.
Yeah. I mean, once again, if you look at
the numbers of com like people who've
converted or people that convert to
Islam on a yearly basis, according to uh
British attitude surveys, because
there's different demographic metrics.
Uh there's a scholar called Linda
Woodhead. She looks at some of those
numbers herself. There's obviously the
census data and then there's something
called British attitude surveys. When
you put all three of those things
together like uh demographers and what
they say, British attitude surveys and
the census, you'll realize that there's
probably around 6 to 10,000 people
converting to Islam on a yearly basis in
Great in Great Britain in the UK. Now
that's hardly enough you know to change
the demographic in any significant way.
The reason why Muslims are really
increasing not just in the United
Kingdom but at the rapid rate that
they've increased because according to
Pew a recent study that was published
recently Pew Research they said from the
year 2010 to 2020
that there was an increase of about 350
million Muslims in the world. And the
majority of the reason why that's the
case is because of birth rates because
uh women Muslim women are having more
children poundforpound
than their Christian and atheist uh
counterparts. So the demographic shift
is not necessarily due to missionary
work as much as someone like myself
would love to say that it is. The truth
is it's mostly to do with birth rates
and the fact that the nuclear family for
the dominant white population in Britain
and other countries um actually more so
in other countries like Germany and
Italy which has a marketkedly aging
population in in in in Europe is nuclear
family is not seen as a favorable option
anymore and you know people are not
having families as much. That's not
necessarily our fault. the fact that the
majority population are not necessarily
having the kids that they used to have
and they're not no longer competitive
with their Muslim counterparts, that's
just a shift in attitudes and cultures
of the dominant populations. So the way
it's been formulated is this kind of
manipulative encroachment by the Muslim
community. Well, the truth is there's
not much responsibility being taken for
some of the things that are are being
mentioned by Robinson. For example, that
the birth rates of uh the dominant
populations is less uh than the Muslims.
The fact that the nuclear family is not
respected, that parents are not
respected, that the culture doesn't
respect parents, the western culture
doesn't even respect parents that much.
These are things Islam come to uphold.
And at the end of the day, we we don't
have any um apology to make about that.
And there's no point to be made about
that either. What we're seeing here in
America, we're seeing tens of thousands
of people accepting Islam. I mean, these
are educated people, people now who are
looking for purpose and they're they're
finding it in Islam. You have more women
who are actually accepting Islam than
men. And there the um let give you an
example because many of these things
he's mentioning are happening in the
prisons here. The fact is that people
are coming in these are the these are
the say worst of society coming into
prisons and they're losing their
humanity. They've lost their humanity as
many claim but then they're finding
their humanity in Islam. So the Muslim
population in America is about 1%. But
the prison population, I don't know how
it is there, but in America it's 10 to
15%.
And in some states 20%. And these people
now are not the independent studies,
criminologists, and others are because
the Islam hate industry is saying that
Islam in the prisons is radicalizing
people. But the studies show this is not
happening. It's actually closing the
revolving door because most people they
go into prison, they get educated on how
to become better criminals and they come
out do more crime and they go back in.
But here's the point. Check this out.
Muhammad hijab is that if Islam is
radical, it's it's the most extreme
religion. It's making people um as
they're saying become extremist. These
are people who are the most evil of
society. they and now they're coming
into the prisons and you're giving them
an extreme religion. That would formed a
disaster. you what what would that
they'd be coming out and you'd have
studies and you'd see like um what what
would be happening to society but you
actually see people implementing Islam
and now they're actually becoming better
assets to society
and they're they're they're being
confined to the four walls in the prison
and the majority of people in the
prisons come from a Christian background
and other religions but now all the
religions are put on the table like
they're actually getting a chance to be
away from all the distractions and
they're looking into Islam and making an
intelligent decision and they're
choosing Islam and they're finding their
humanity as you mentioned like prisons
are very powerful place to actually
deeply reflect you know there's less
distractions and stuff and if people are
becoming Muslims in places where there's
less distraction then that's actually a
testament to the power of the message of
Islam when it's not tainted by outside
forces or people or institutions or
media
That's one thing. The other thing I
would say is I think you're absolutely
right and you hit the nail on the head
when you mention that okay you know
these people are coming into prison as
non-Muslims a lot of them converting in
the UK in the US and other places
but then when they come out the question
is is is there more um belligerance and
transgression of the law for example
being or is it less now there is no data
that indicates that they they become
more criminal in their behavior. In
fact, uh if someone wants to make that
case, they'd have to make a sociological
study. They they have to get people that
come out of prison that have switched
religions and show that there has been
not just um you know reoccurrence of the
same criminal behavior, but an
exacerbation of the same criminal
behavior. I hypothesize however although
I know that there's no formal study that
has been done in the west on this just
yet that the opposite is true that
people who embrace a religion as uh
Islam which encourages religious
discipline more so arguably than any
other religion in the world are less
likely by virtue of that very fact to
commit crimes and things which are
considered reprehensible in the religion
of Islam like you mentioned in the
beginning of the show, addiction,
prostitution, fornication, adultery, and
all these other things. And they are
more likely to um leave those things off
and to have a disciplined religious
existence. But once again, it's just
claims and assertions that are made
without any evidence whatsoever. And
there's this is why you can't really
debate with people that are ignorant at
that level because what I find more
disturbing quite frankly Eddie is that
there's they these people have an
audience. It's very disturbing that we
are living in the west in the age of
information in the age of education
where it's so easy to get a degree now.
You can get one online. It's so easy to
to to get a book now. You know 100 years
ago it would have been very difficult to
have even a tenth or even 1% of the
access that we have now to books. You
know in on your phone you can basically
download any book you want. You know
this is how the world has become. Before
you'd have to travel nations just to get
your hands on a manuscripts to read
books. We're living in the age of
information. We've even got chat GPT
right now. I mean, people can fact check
things using myriad methods. Yet,
notwithstanding all of those points,
people can come on a mainstream platform
with hundreds of thousands of spectators
and viewers and make claims with h which
have no evidence whatsoever, but which
focuses on a an exclusionary narrative.
Because the right wing or the far right,
it's the narrative is an exclusionary
narrative. They derive their self-worth
from their opposition towards things
that are not them. And that's not good
for us because the the number one thing
they like nowadays is Muslims. So they
derive their selfworth by defining
themselves against Islam and Muslims.
That is the project of the far right
because remember they have no selfworth.
They're the least educated in society.
They're the least, you know, in terms of
money, they have the least money in
society and so on and so forth. And so
they need to get their self worth from
some somewhere. So it can't be done
through their accolades. It cannot be
done through their what they've
achieved. So it has to be done through
exclusionary narratives. And so no one's
going to fact check anything that these
people say because they need it to
exist. They have a psychological
dependency of these narratives, these
myths that they've created about Islam
and Muslims, these fictions, these
useful fictions that they've created
about Islam and Muslims. They need it.
It's cowardice because Islam has failed.
The Sikhs haven't failed. The Jews
haven't failed. The Hindus haven't
failed. In fact, none of the no other
communities have failed to integrate and
assimilate into Great Brit. It's worked.
And and my hometown, and I can only
speak by experience, is a perfect
example of that. I like to translate the
word when you use Muslim or Islam. So
he's saying that submission um
technically because if you translate
Islam it would be like okay Islam has
failed. Submission to the will of the
creator not the creation has failed. So
all these other man-made religions
they're okay they've done humanity
right. But um can you go into this? I
mean how do you respond? I mean what it
is is it's very unusual because this is
like the fallacy of equivocation. All
right. They use the word Islam to denote
Muslims.
Okay. So when they when he's talking
about Islam has failed what he actually
because maybe he's illiterate or he
hasn't completed his English you know
qualifications when he was growing up as
a boy you know but the problem is he's
using the word Islam to denote a group
of people. Islam is a religion. It's a
it's an abstract noun, you know. So here
Islam is as you mentioned very
correctly, you know, submission to the
will of the creator. There's to say to
postulate then that oh Islam has failed.
The the proposition will become
unintelligible. In what sense has it
failed or what do you mean has it has
failed? Islam is not trying to succeed
in that sense. Islam is not uh trying to
fail or succeed. Islam is a set of
propositions about the origin of
existence and uh the purpose of life and
the escaton that's what Islam is and how
to live your life. So it's not uh
something which is susceptible to
failure or success. Muslims on the other
hand if he's saying that Muslims have
failed to integrate if that's what he
means by that and then he juxtaposes
Muslims with other faith groups for
example Jews and Sikhs well actually I
disagree with this proposition holy
because in the United Kingdom I I would
actually make an argument that Muslim
groups are much more intermixed with
mainstream societies than orthodox
Jewish ones. I mean all someone has to
do is just go to London and take a look
at Goldest Green and Stanford Hill and
these areas where there are literally
roads of just you know synagogues and uh
her Jews and so on walking around no one
with them in the most secluded manner
possible and they would you know be very
brazen about this that they have nothing
I'm not saying it's bad either they can
do what they want but I'm just saying
Even that as a sociological realization
is false. It's not the case that Muslims
have any special type of disintegration.
Visavv for example Jews. Uh you could
say the same thing about Sikhs. Actually
if you go to some areas in London you'll
find Sikhs conglomerate around certain
areas like South for example and that
they have very intermitted communities.
So it's just the nature of society that
sometimes communities gather and
sometimes it's upon religious lines and
sometimes on u ethnic and racial lines
like if you go to America if you go to
Philadelphia which is not far away from
where maybe where you are right now it's
you'll find once again you know a lot of
black people there African-Americans and
so on and Detroit lots of
African-Americans and then if you go to
some of the you know other states you'll
find hillbillies and rednecks the like
of which Patrick Bet Davids and Tommy
Robinson are trying to appeal to you
know so it's just a it's just a fact
that people are homogous in it people
like to conglomerate around their own
kind whether that is religious or
whether that's ethnic and there's
nothing extraordinary about the Muslim
experience when you consider that so
they're saying well Islam has failed
meaning it's failed to integrate or what
kind of integration or assimilation do
you uh propose for the Muslim people um
in general. So it's not we need to have
a conversation about where our limits
are, what our boundaries are and these
kinds of things. But the point is is
even this is it's like a 15year-old
scrambling around to write a halfdecent
essay because wall if this was something
that was handed in by a 14year-old if
this was an essay an argumentative piece
that was handed in by a 14year-old in a
sociology class in GCES or SATs or
whatever it is it would get a degrade.
Yet, despite it being so weak, it's
being watched by so many, which shows
you the emotional attachment people have
to these exclusionary narratives and
right-wing religion, farright religion
mythologies and useful fictions that uh
have become so popular now among
failures all over Western societies.
Yeah. Yeah, when you when I when you
these are the things that come to my
head because they're trying to u push
out everything evil in society and
program people that Islam is connected
to this. When I think about the goals of
Islam, the main goal obviously is to
take people away from creation worship
to worship the creator alone. a family
purpose of life, spirituality,
absolutely gratitude, thankfulness, no
lying, stealing, drugs, alcohol, porn,
no sex outside of marriage. Uh, and then
the five wisdoms, maybe you can
elaborate on this of the God's law, you
know, the safeguarding your intellect,
your religion, if you want to expound on
that because all these things,
absolutely right. Yeah. It's Islam's
purpose of life is for you to worship
one God without any association. The
main difference between Islam and
Christianity is that Christianity
suggests that you have a man who is 100%
man and 100% God at the same time which
fulfills all of the conditions of a
contradiction. We say that instead of
this we believe in the creator of the
heavens and the earth, God Almighty, the
most powerful, the most merciful, the
most gracious, the mo the all
knowledgeable.
He's endowed human beings with purpose
to submit to his will and to follow the
prophets Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ
and Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
This is Islam, you know, and it's not
something foreign. If someone is
familiar with the Bible, then a lot of
the protagonists of the Bible like
Abraham, Moses and Jesus are the same
protagonists that we have. They talk
about Islam as if it's a foreign entity.
not realizing that they themselves have
imported a Middle Eastern religion and
made it the dominant one in the west.
Christianity is a Middle Eastern
religion
just like Islam started in the Middle
East. There's as much foreign import of
Islam as there are is of Christianity.
If people in the west are comfortable
taking one Middle Eastern religion, then
they should be open at least to thinking
about the other. That's the first point
I'll make. The the second point I wanted
to make is going back to the
sociological argument. A place in the
world where in which there is not that
many Muslims comparative to the dominant
population is Latin America. In fact,
that is a place where there are way more
Christians proportionately.
Yet, if you look at Colombia, if you
look at Mexico, if you look at all these
countries, there is no shadow of a doubt
that all of the things that Mr. Robinson
or actually Laxley Lenon, which is his
actual name, he had to change his name.
that in this individual because it's an
Irish name and he he he wants to try and
uh you know portray an English
personality
that this all the things that he
mentioned drugs, alcohol, criminality,
kidnapping and stuff there probably is
no other place in the world
more than Latin America where these
things are manifested
where there are cartels
where there are essentially you know
governments and cartels are working hand
in hand in these countries and you can't
blame Islam for these things or Muslim
communities because there is a very
small Muslim population in those places.
So stop trying to blame Islam for every
single negative thing. It's actually
preposterous. They blame Islam for the
fact that some countries are poor. They
say, "Look at the Muslim countries,
they're poor." forgetting about Latin
America, forgetting about subsahara and
Africa where you have essentially
Christian majority countries that are
essentially the poorest countries in the
world due to people capital. If
Christianity was meant to be the
solution to all of our problems and this
case was somehow to be made, then how
comes we find in majority Christian
countries the worst of the things that
you are trying to associate with Islam
with that to be honest the sociological
case against Islam fails.
It fails completely.
It's you can no longer blame Muslims. If
we now look at other places in the world
which have the same issues but different
variables, then you can no longer have a
causitive relationship that's
attributable to Islam. And that's
something that these ignoramuses have
not thought about properly. And I was
surprised even my conversation with
Jordan Peterson, it's as if he hasn't
thought about that either.
What do you think people if you made the
the argument that these cartels that
they're actually representatives of
Christianity? Because I don't know if
you've seen that video where you have
the u graveyard of the cartel members
and they have these big u monumental
like houses put up and they have crosses
and then many cartels are actually
practicing Christians. They had the
cross around their uh necks and if you
tell them I mean we're not attributing
that to Christianity but but if you
wanted to if you wanted to say look
these are your Christians right we know
better
yeah absolutely look there's no more
grooming that's happening more than that
in America let's just call a spade the
spade you're talking about grooming
gangs in Britain let's let all the
Muslim British grooming gangs pale in
comparison to what is happening in
Colombia IA in terms of prostitution or
what's happening in Poland or what's
happening in Russia, Christian majority
nations. Let's not play games. Let's not
make people laugh at us. This argument
is a failed argument. It's a weak
argument. It's a non-argument. You know,
no one is making, no one has made from
the far right or attempted to make or
realize that they could make or one
could make an argument linking
Christianity to prostitutions
in those countries. prostitution, human
trafficking, slavery, kidnapping, drugs.
I mean, to be honest, there is a
stronger argument to be made. I'm not
saying this is the argument, but if
someone could easily link that with
Christianity and say, well, Christianity
doesn't some versions of Christianity,
some interpretations of poor line
Christianity, they say you don't
actually need to follow the law, which
means you don't need to follow the to
Torah laws. You don't need to follow the
fact that, you know, you don't eat pork
and these kind of things. You don't need
to follow it because Jesus died for your
sins. And so you can easily make a it's
much much easier to make an argument
that Christianity is linked to those
social ills because there is no moral
inhibition. There is no moral um you
know restriction by Christianity that's
as strong as Islam. Compare for example
poundforound
the Middle Eastern nations with Latin
American nations on certain metrics.
For example, um if you want to call call
it prostitution, there there's no
comparison. Call it promiscuity. There's
no comparison. The average woman in the
United Kingdom has had sex with nine
people before she reaches the age of 30.
According to a super drug study, compare
that with the average of a woman in in
Egypt or Pakistan or some other Muslim
country. There is no comparison. Okay?
So the things that you guys and the far
right espousing traditional values are
complaining about when it comes to the
Muslim world actually when you compare
that with the non-Muslim world and the
prevalence of AIDS and HIV then there is
no comparison. But these are the metrics
and the parameters they don't want us to
think about. They want us to think about
the reason they want us to think about
you know the fact that Muslim countries
are poor. Some Muslim countries have got
less GDP than their non-Muslim
equivalent because of the colonial
legacy because they stole the money from
it anyway because they stole the money
from those. You rob me and tell me ask
me why I don't have any possessions.
It's the most embarrassing and pathetic
thing. You have a c you have European
powers going into essentially almost
every single country in the Muslim
world, robbing it of its resources and
then two generations later asking it why
you have no possessions. It's
unbelievable. And they and then they
attribute it to add insult into injury.
They attribute you being robbed by them
to your religion. It's it's actually a
preposterous set of realities. And it's
unbelievable that these redneck
hillbillies and these chabs and these
ignoramuses and these Tommy Robinson
fans and these atheists and these
individuals are actually falling for
this level of argumentation in order to
justify for themselves why they are
failures, why they are addicts to
pornography, why they are addicts to the
booze, to drug to the drugs, to to weed,
to cocaine. Like Tommy Robinson has been
reported to be an addict to cocaine to
prostitutes one place to another. Yeah,
this is Tommy Robinson. This is this is
maybe Patrick Bet David, you know, why
doesn't he speak to him about these
things? Patrick Bet David say why every
time we see a protest with you guys in
England we see these yobs we call them
yobs and chavs walking around urinating
in the street you know trying to hit I
in 2018 you can pull this up we went to
a protest me ali with them 30 people get
surrounded us and tried to punch us and
beat us and not hurt us 30 I was being
punched from the back I was being
punched from the front I was being
punched from the right I was being
punched by the left and I still stay
stayed standing. You know,
you know, it took 30 of them, but I have
to say I did have the the help of the
police, the Metropolitan Police, and if
it wasn't for the Metropolitan Police,
it would have been a problem.
Nevertheless, you're talking about
violence as if it's exclusive property
of the Muslim people. When I went, I was
attacked by 30 of these guys. They are
hooligans. They are thugs, you know. And
at the end of the day, British society,
by the way, knows this. If you ask the
average Britisher, they know that Tommy
Robinson is an extremist. He's their
version of an extremist. People know
this. You know, I people should not have
the impression of British people that
they're all racist. Is that why is that
why they're trying to export him now to
the US? because now the US hasn't c
caught on to uh his u his
what he really is about. The US doesn't
know who he is, right? He's only
relevant kind of in the UK. And if you
go and ask anybody here, like if I go in
the streets in London and I ask 10 white
people about Tommy Robinson if they have
a favorable or 10 or disfavorable view,
you'll be lucky to get one out of those
10 that have a favorable view of those
guys. But that one out of 10 that have a
favorable view of Tommy Robinson are the
ones that you hear online are the ones
that you see commenting. But they are
not representative of British society.
We took them on. They were allowed. You
know the scenes of Abu Hamza with the
hook in Finsbury Park where hundreds of
Muslims in the streets and he's calling
for war and calling for jihad. No one
was stopping them. Muhammad Hijab. No no
not Muhammad Hijab. Um Abu Hamza with
the hook. He's a terrorist with a hook.
But back when this was going on, why do
you think when uh Stephen Lexon um when
he's bringing up and he's describing
somebody with a hook, why do you think
uh uh Patrick, he he went on automatic
mode and he just brought you up out of
all people. He's got me in his mind.
He's he's got me in his mind. I think
the reputations that we do together and
that we're going to continue doing about
Patrick McDavid and they're going to get
worse for him because we've given him a
chance. We've spoken to him privately.
be very respectful to him. But he's
continually perpetuating
stereotypes,
generalizations, and misinformation
about Islam and Muslim people. Recently,
I saw a clip of his on Twitter where he
was making these absurd and humiliating
claims his with such confidence. And if
we can pull that video up, can we pull
that video up of him saying what he said
and then I'll come back and respond in
kind. I mean, it's unbelievable what he
said. Let's take a look at what he uh
said. The person was born in Iran. Yes.
I can't stand this regime. Yes. They've
caught the only thing that's been
persistent and consistent is the
following. When the sha was in Iran, did
Israel already exist? Yes. Yes or no?
Mhm. Was Israel causing chaos? Was there
war in the Middle East? Let me say this
one more time. When Iran was ran by the
sha, what year was uh uh the sha of
Iran? What years did he run Iran? The 53
through 79, I think. Okay. 53 is the oil
consortium. So 54 is the oil consortium.
41. 41 to 79. Cuz he started at 21 years
old. Young man, right? 41 to 79. When
did Israel get become a nation? 48.
Yeah. Okay. So check this out. Why is it
that between 48 to 79
while the sha was the king of Iran
running Iran, why is it for 31 years
there is no major war in the Middle
East? Why is that? So to the people that
want to say it's all Israel's fault, how
come there wasn't that in Iran for 31
years? I'm curious. Answer that question
for me. And why is it from 79 when the
MASS, the Hezbollah, the IRGC, all these
guys, the Kmenes, all of them took over,
why has there been chaos in the Middle
East in 79? Whose fault is that?
America's been consistent. Yes, I know
America wanted the oil from Iran. And
yes, I know UK wanted it and MI6 and CI
and all this stuff. And yes, I also am
aware that the Sha didn't trust Israel.
the tri didn't trust, you know, what
they were doing with media and finance
and the ambition and the level and the
control and the influence and all that
stuff. He knew what was going on there.
He wanted to compete with them. He
didn't see himself as a victim. He's
like, "We're going to be doing the same
thing." And they're like, "Wait a
minute. This guy's too ambitious and he
thinks he can go up against all of us.
Let's take this guy out. We need chaos
in the Middle East. Oh [\h__\h] Even Israel
being involved, let's just say for Iran
and the Sha fallen. There is chaos now
in the Middle East. On who though? On
who though? who did that? So, yeah, for
me the most consistent thing behind the
chaos in the Middle East has been Iran.
That's just the reality of it. Yeah. So,
I just want to say cuz he said someone
answered that question for me. I'm going
to answer that question directly. And I
think this is a humiliating and
embarrassing blunder of tremendous
proportions. The like of which Mr. bet
David should come out and apologize and
retract and rescend his comment because
he said, "What major war was there
between 1941
and 1979 in the Middle East?" not
realizing that the most major wars were
the in that exact time period the 1948
war in the among the the inceptions upon
the inception of Israel itself was a war
between Israel and countries Arab
countries surrounding it in 1956 there
was the sewish canal crisis in 19667
there was the six- day war in 1973 there
was the yom kapoor war so this guy is so
academically and historically illiterate
that he actually chose the time where
there was probably the most wars and
he's challenging us
to give him you know the reason why
there was no war no war in this period
of time you are I know you're watching
this bet David cuz you watch us you love
watching our content I'm sorry to say
you are academically illiterate you are
completely uneducated on these matters
is you should not speak about history,
you should not speak about politics, you
should not speak about religion. And
what happens is when you as an ignoramus
with all due respect bring on another
ignoramus, another ignorant person, then
what you have as a result when you have
Tommy Robinson there is compounded
ignorance.
You're saying ignorant things, he's
saying ignorant things. There's no
academic to check you. There's nobody to
check you because you always surround
yourself with ultridarians, with
obsequious individuals, with ignorant
individuals, with ignoble individuals,
with individuals with agendas, with
individuals with no formal education.
At least when Joe Rogan does his
podcasts, which your podcast will never
reach his podcast level, is he brings
specialists. He brings people that he
can ask question scientists. He brings
you know people that are actually
specialists in areas and they can give
him the cutting edge re research and he
stays there quietly whilst they give him
the information. Whereas you on your own
show come on speak about these matters
as if you are some kind of an authority
and in fact you're making such huge
blunders that it beggars belief that
there is such ignorance in your studio
that not one person from the editorial
team from the panel or from the comments
or from anybody could correct you on one
of the most glaring and obvious
painfully obvious mistakes
of a historical kind that anybody can
make about your own nation about your
own nation which is you're from Iran and
its surrounding countries you should be
ashamed of yourself you need to stop
talking and start listening you should
start reading because being having money
and I want to make this very clear
there's lots of people nowadays become
businessmen and get money from Ponzi
schemes or whatever it may be I don't
know how you made your money Patrick and
I don't care. Having money and having
knowledge are two separate things.
Having money doesn't mean that you have
intelligence and knowledge. You cannot
buy intelligence. You can buy books. You
can buy courses. But you cannot buy
intelligence. You should know your
limits. You should know that you you've
spent your time
raising money or doing this or doing
that or you know doing business. Don't
get involved in academic discussions. It
will save you the humiliation of someone
like me in London who I'm meant to be
this rafian this uncou in London that
Tommy Robinson he's describing the
Muslim community and he's he's trying to
paint this out in this way to you. I
meant to be that like that but I'm
checking you in such a way that not even
your most ardent supporters can defend
you because you are wrong. you are
making a case that Israel is not the
most, you know, damaging and destructive
and belligerent and transgressive actor
in the Middle East by trying to find a
time pre
um Iranian revolution in 79 whereby
there was not these things that you're
mentioning but there was all of those
things that you're mentioning. This is
such an embarrassment. If I were you, I
wouldn't be able to sleep from the
embarrassment. I would not be able to
sleep. I would look at myself in the
mirror and just turn away.
Wall I would. It's so embarrassing. If I
could somehow using the millions I have,
if you were if I were you, I don't have
millions myself, but if I were you, you
know, remove those videos where I'm
talking rubbish and bringing
ignoramuses, I would do it because to
spare myself the humiliation, the
intellectual and academic humiliation of
this
This is what happens when you have an
agenda and you're a sha supporter above
everything else and you're a nationalist
above everything else and so on and so
forth and you want to make a case but
you can't even make it because your
brain cells can't aid you and help you.
Patrick but David come out and
apologize. Come out and retract. Come
out and resend. Come out and correct.
Come out and clarify. You should now say
I have a new policy on my show. My
policy is I'm only going to bring I'm
going to have at least one academic.
When we speak about sensitive issues,
when we speak about big issues, I'm
going to have at least you don't have to
have a Muslim academic when you're
talking about Islam. You can have a a a
non-Muslim academic of Islam.
Bring the standards of your little
crummy show up. Bring the standards of
your show up. Do you understand me?
Bring it up. You are you are
contributing to the proliferation of
ignorance in your country.
You are you are contributing to
ignoramises and chavs and hillbillies
and rednecks not knowing where countries
are on the map and this that and the
other and historical timelines having it
all messed up. You are contributing to
global ignorance. It's not about Islam
or ideology or narrative. It's about
academic credibility. You're missing
that. You're lacking that. I would say
based on just that clip here, you should
retire. You should say, "I'm taking some
time off a PBD podcast, this and that.
I'm just going to do business. There's
going to be a new guy that's going to be
running this show and they have you or
me doing because they need some
professionals.
They need some professionals for God's
sake.
You know, we'll take the show PBD show
to another level. We'll do something
good with it. You have this ignoramus
with him all the time called Adam. What?
What has he done? What has he done?
These guys, I'm going to put it because
people don't know. Eddie is a highlevel
black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
People don't know this. I remember going
to Chicago long time ago and he was
showing me some things. I was thinking,
my god, this this guy this guy is not
what he seen. But let me put it in BJJ
terms. These guys are not even white
belts. Forget about it. They haven't
even put on the ghee. These guys are the
most lowlevel.
Okay, you're bringing people and then
they're speaking as if they're like, you
know, Roger Gracie or Gordon Ryan.
You're nothing. You honestly have done.
You're not proven. Stop speaking about
these matters. You're nothing. Yeah.
Understand you're nothing. Humble
yourself. Humble yourself. Humble
yourself. It's time to humble yourself.
That's it. You know, and this is the
problem. Forget about narrative and this
that and the other. They need to humble
themselves. That's what it comes down
to. Because when you don't humble
yourself, we're going to catch you as we
have. We're going to catch you on your
mistakes and we're going to expose your
mistakes. And your supporters will say,
they'll tip your hat. They'll tip their
hat to us. They'll tip their hat and
they'll say, "Yes, he's right." They'll
say, "Even though we disagree with him
on ideology, he's right. You're
ignorant. You should not be representing
our interest." That's what they're going
to say. Are they good for the economy? A
Pew Research 2021 report says that 41%
of Muslims ages 16 to 64 are
economically inactive compared to 24.7%
of overall population. Inactive. They
don't work. They don't contribute to
society. They're out. 59%. So, but what
there has to be something where one says
that's why they allow them to do
whatever they want to do and they can
get away with everything. What is the
motivation? How are they winning? Well,
can I Okay, so um how would you respond
to this? Yeah, as we mentioned, economic
arguments. Okay. If they want to make
economic arguments against Islam,
somehow attributing Islam, if you're
attributing Islam to the fact that there
are people in Britain who are Muslims
who claim benefits, government benefits,
or that there are some people in America
who are economically inactive and happen
to be Muslim or that there are some
people in France who happen to be this
and that or Belgium or any other
country. This is the argument you want
to make. Then you first have to show why
there's a causal relationship between
Islam and economic inactivity as you
mentioned. That's the first. Second
thing is you then have to explain why is
it that you have so many Christian
majority countries which are among if
not the poorest countries in the world
by GDP per capita. For example,
Zimbabwe. It's a majority Christian
country. Congo is a majority mus
Christian country. These countries are
not uh rich countries. Compare Congo
with the UAE for example or Qatar per
capita. There's no comparison. You say,
"Well, that's not a fair comparison, is
it?" Oh, look at they these guys have
oil and these guys don't have oil and
these guys have this and this guy. You
always change the goalpost. Okay, no
problem. Compare it with Malaysia.
Compare it with Brunai. It's not oil
wealth there. At the end of the day, the
point you're making is not consistent.
If it were true that Islam somehow made
you more poor and somehow more weak,
then how could it be the case that 95%
of the time the Muslims have been around
1,450
years almost that for 95% of the time
they have either been the superpower or
one of the superpowers. What about the
Ottoman Empire? What about the Mali
Empire? What about the Abbasids? What
about the Umayads? What about Muslim
Spain? What about all of these different
places and all of these different times?
Well, they'll say
they'll say, "Okay, that was then and
this is now and this, this, that, and
the other." Look, as I mentioned, this
argument of economics is a redundant and
refuted and debunked argument. It's a
redundant and refuted and debunked
argument. The premise and the assumption
of the argument is false. And the
conclusions of the argument are false.
You cannot get a more false argument
than this argument. The assumption of
the argument is that the richer you are,
the righter you are. The more money you
have, the the more right you are. And
when it comes to religion and ideology
and that's a false assumption. You can
be rich and wrong. As with Patrick Bet
David, we just saw his comment where
he's making blunders and humiliation.
He's humiliating himself and he's making
blunders about this that and the other.
So you can be rich and wrong at the same
time. Okay. So that's the assumption.
The conclusions are also wrong because
they are trying to say that being Muslim
makes you more poor. Somehow forgetting
the GDP per capita, the HDI, the human
development index and or any other
economic indicator that they want to put
onto Hayiti for example or Colombia or
Mexico or subsahara in Africa. Huh? All
of these. Come on. Don't waste my time
with arguments like this. Don't waste
the Muslim people's time with arguments
like this. This is why if I was in front
of Patrick, David or Tommy or anybody
else, this is how it should be said.
Don't waste our time with false
arguments like this instead of going to
the crux of the matter. If you want to
talk about Islam and Christianity, we
talk about we talk about one God. We
talk about what makes more sense,
believing in one god or believing in
three and one and one and three.
Believing in a god that's not a man or
believing in a god that's 100% man, 100%
god. What makes more sense? The Quran or
the Bible. This is the crux. If you're
looking for the truth, you go to these
questions. You don't start making stupid
arguments that don't make any sense,
don't cohhere. Only in the minds of
foolish and ignorant people do they
cohhere. But these are incoherent
arguments. and arguments made by ignoble
and agenda driven people.
This is what I would say and this is
what must be said and this is the thing
that has to be in the minds of all the
Muslim people. The Quran even tells us
it gives us an answer to why is it the
case that you'll find that sometimes
Muslims will be victorious. Sometimes
they will have be on the upper hand and
sometimes
they will not be. It says
these are the days that we alternate
between the people so that Allah knows
who
who believes in him and so he can take
with them shada and so on and so forth.
This by the way there's wisdoms as to
why Allah makes us rich sometimes and
makes us poor sometimes makes us win
sometimes and makes us lose sometimes.
The wisdom is to test us to see if we're
going to be faithful to Islam, faithful
to Allah, faithful to the religion,
whether or not we are winning. This is
the reason why Allah does it. Sometimes
we win like bad and sometimes we look
like lose like this is the situation and
the the true Muslims as Allah says
in
that do the people think
that they'll be left
that we say we believe
and they will not be trial
we have trial those who come before you.
So Allah will know who who
are the believers, the true believers,
the ones who are true to their word,
true to the faith. And Allah will know
the liars.
This is the reason. Allah tells us the
reason. Some people, even Muslims, they
will look and say, "Oh, Palestine, you
know, in Hamas and this and that and
whatever they want to say." I'm saying,
"Look, with whatever situation you want
to bring, there's always going to be ups
and downs, ups and downs. And throughout
history, throughout history, it's been
like that." Yeah. So, it's I'm sorry to
say this is no argument that Islam is
false. There the victory, the ultimate
victory will be to the Muslims in this
and the hereafter. And it's only a
matter of time. But in the meantime, the
argument to be had is whether or not our
religion is true, your religion is true.
It's not, "Oh, you've got more money
than me. I must be true. I must be
right." This is pathetic money. This is
a mafia as well. The Islamic community
is a mafia. Total mafia. So, do have do
they have they do they have the judges
and the cops and all those guys bought?
Well, they're paying them off. What's
coming? If everyone in Britain knew
what's coming, if they knew what Islam's
going to do, if they knew the attack on
freedom, if we knew the true agenda of
those in control of us and what they
want for us, people would there'd be a
revolution tomorrow. But they don't know
because they're lied to. They're
controlled continuously, which is why
the biggest thing we have is free
speech. But that's why that's why you
don't have free speech. That's why
they're you don't have some of these
things you already answered, but same
thing. We're going to get through some
of these uh there a few more clips
there. Uh what do you want to comment
about about this? If people only knew
and when this Islam comes, if they only
knew the agenda behind Islam, there'd be
a revolution.
Yeah. I mean, these are just these are
just words and catchphrases.
Yeah. One, look, they're not good at
anything in terms of academics. I have
to tell you this. Yeah. As we've just
mentioned, they're uneducated. We fact
checked them on almost every single
point. sociologically and historically.
But one thing that Tommy Robinson is
good at, there's only one thing that
he's good at, which is he can emotively
engage his low IQ audience. He knows
what to say to them to make them angry.
That's what he can do. Yeah. So he he's
got people that are disenfranchised in
England. He's got people that are, you
know, the equivalent of hillbillies in
England. They have no money. They're
they're going to the government for, you
know, benefits and stuff. there, you
know, they're finding it really
difficult to get by. They haven't got
these kinds of this class of people,
okay? And he knows that they don't want
to they don't want to recognize the fact
that that's because of their own doing.
They didn't concentrate in school. They
didn't do all these things that they had
to do. That's why they're in the
situation they're in. So instead, he's
giving them someone to blame. And the
people, the scapegoat that we have here
is the Muslim community. is using the
Muslim community as a convenient
scapegoat to explain to workingclass
disenfranchised young English men why
they are failures. It gives them some
kind of respite. It gives them a reason.
So he knows how to emotionally engage
them and make them angry. Oh, they're
doing this to our women then this and
that. There'll be a revolution and these
kind of things and they they will fall
for it. And instead of that if they had
just taken some individual
responsibility for why they are failures
why they have not achieved anything in
their life then they can respond to
Robinson. And that's why as I mentioned
before and I'll say this again you will
not find your average banker your
average Oxbridge graduate your average
person that's working you know and you
know has got excellent job in the city
whatever it may be. You'll not find that
that's the person who follows Tommy
Robinson. you'll find that the person
who follows Tommy Robinson is some kind
of a football hooligan who urinates in
the street who hasn't got any formal
qualifications who doesn't know how to
even speak his own mother tongue and who
needs someone to blame and Tommy
Robinson is fulfilling he is fulfilling
that need for them he's providing
something he's giving the market the
demand it needs in terms of
psychological fulfillment for those
disenfranchised men with Muhammad hijab
and uh uh quite a few of his crew out
there in the streets hunting down Jews.
Yeah. So this this Don't get arrested.
They don't get arrested. So but why can
you play this clip, Rob?
This is where it's in London. Look
it was The thing is they just don't get
arrested. Why though? Because of the
two-tier policing. So people understand
what's the context here? They're saying
that you're hunting down Jews.
Yeah. I mean, I never mentioned that
myself. That was someone else. They put
some other person's voice. So, that's
not even I don't even think they're
claiming that I said that. So, when they
say he's not being arrested, what is it?
That's a criminal offense that I did.
You know, if you look at those footage,
those clips in that video that we just
done in what uh is there a criminal
offense I need to be arrested for? Oh,
they don't get arrested because there's
two tier policing Tommy Robinson. Now
you saw when he when my name was
mentioned for the second time in the
show because this is the second time
they mentioned my name. Tommy Robinson
decided to kind of smile in kind of like
discomfort. You would have noticed that
he's very uncomfortable with my name and
the reason why is because he's very
afraid of me. He's petrified. He's he's
trembling on so many different levels.
Uh in fact we have this confirmed one of
his close friends her name was Lucy. she
uh defected and she you know admitted
this to us. She said you know this guy
was always petrified of you. He's always
scared. Whenever your name would come up
he would be become very scared. And the
reason why he's very scared is not
because our So Lucy, this is a very
important point. She was part of the
EDL.
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Was Lucy
part of the EDL? She was the Christian
lady.
He was the rebel media. Rebel media.
Lucy and his right hand. one of the
right hands of Tommy man not right Ezra
right hand woman yeah she was there so
close knit with this community exactly
and she admitted that lots of things
like for example he tries to bring he
tries to bring forward this kind of like
you know um macho man personality okay
now we do the same thing but the
difference between the difference
between the two is that at least one of
us can back it up I mean these ones here
apparently they staged like false
assaults and stuff like that. Kalin was
telling us, right? There was like an
African migrant. There's a video of him
punching an African migrant. And the
African migrant, it was edited to make
it look like he was aggressive and he
wasn't aggressive. So this is what the
kind of thing they told us after they
defected that they they try and create
manufactur this image which isn't
authentic for them. You know this match
man image. Remember he doesn't have any
academic qualifications. So he needs
something to make himself to give
himself worth to prop himself up. So he
tries to bring maybe the physical aspect
maybe if he can portray himself as
somewhat rough and ready somewhat of a
macho man then some someone can you know
buy his propaganda and start following
him. The truth of the matter is that
according to their testimonies when they
uh defected from him that this man is a
very insecure man, very scared man, he
was trembling in fear every time my name
was mentioned. And the reason why is
because it's not to do with the
physicality. There's not even a question
of of that. But it's more to do with he
knows and he's been advised very very
carefully. Do not engage Muhammad hijab.
He's been advised because if you engage
him, he's going to make you look like a
bit of an idiot. He's going to fact
check every single thing you say. He's
going to, you know, cross reference
this. He's going to mention that. He's
going to don't go near this guy. In
fact, my good friend Ali Dawa, who's
next to me right now, he was even
advised not to encounter him to the
point where Ali Dawa had to try and
chase him and and he was trying to chase
him for for many many months to catch
him. Somebody who's portraying
themselves to be this bastion of free
speech and dialogue and debate was
running away from engagement for months
and had to be caught.
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Yeah. Yeah.
There was a terrorist attack.
Yeah. Yeah. So he So some things here
that need to be verified before
obviously I've got a court case with
this guy. People don't know that I've
got a court case with Tommy Robinson.
Yeah. I'm taking Tommy Robinson to
court. He's been served the legal
papers. And guess one of the clips.
Yeah. That he's going to mention that in
one of the clips. And I I've I've taken
him to court. And guess who's who's
funding him?
Who? Elon Musk.
Wait, what? Elon Musk came out publicly
and said, "I am funding Tommy Robinson
against uh uh for his court cases." and
his court cases are against me. Elon
Musk is funding. Yeah. He didn't mention
my name, Elon Musk. But nevertheless,
he's funding Tommy Robinson directly,
you know, in the court cases. Now, I
don't collect money from the public for
my court cases. You know, I've had to
pay thousands and thousands of pounds,
my personal funds in these court cases.
Thousands and th tens of thousands of
sterling pounds. But I consider that to
be my own ja for the for for for the
sake of Allah. And alhamdulillah is
doing very well. I'm taking all of these
people to court because I'm trying to
engage these individuals
in all the legal ways possible. And this
is why they now they start to realize
that we're a credible legal threat to
them. That they can't just bully us.
They can't just throw us on this and
that. They cannot do these things. They
can no longer besmer us. They can no
longer try and attack us. That there
will be a response. There will be a
legal response. There will be an
intellectual response. There will be a
media response. And that's what we're
seeing. And that's why these people are
very scared and very, you know, uh,
hesitant to mention our names and so on
and so forth. Tell me this before we go
to the next clips. Does your clip does
your religion teach you to hate Jews? Do
you hate the Jewish people?
Absolutely not. I mean, this is one of
That's what that clip is trying to make.
That's what they're trying to sing.
Yeah. I mean, yeah. Look, I mean this
is, you know, they were talking about
Islamophobia and they said like, you
know, as if there should not be such a
thing as Islamophobia and it's blocking
and inhibiting free speech and so on,
but they weren't saying the same thing
about anti-semitism, right? So for them,
discrimination against Muslims is okay,
but discrimination against Jews is not
okay. And that's because they're card
carrying Zionists. And nowadays, people
have had enough and they can see with
what is Zionism. They can see the agenda
of Zionism. Okay? Okay. So when they
talk about Jews uh and that Muslims hate
Jews, the prophet wasallam himself
married a Jew
was an ethnic Jew. So if it was the case
that we were meant to hate Jews, then
why is it that the prophetam is marrying
a Jew? And not just that, when she was
complaining that some of the other
companion, female companions were saying
some things relating to her lineage and
the fact that she was her Jewishness,
her ethnic Jewishness. He gave her
something to respond to them which is to
glorify
that lineage by connecting it to Aaron
and Moses or Aaron in particular in
fact. So the point is is if there was
something that we found inherently
problematic about being a Jew then it
would make no sense for a the prophet to
marry an ethnic Jew and then b for him
to arm her with the intellectual
arguments that will be required to
defend her lineage her Jewish lineage.
So this is something which look the
Quran itself has favorable things to say
about Jewish Jewish people. It has
unfavorable things to say about the
clergy like for example
and so on and so forth these verses
about the Jewish clergy that have
knowledge but they don't use it. It's
like the donkey having books on his
back. So the Quran has favorable things
to say about Jewish people in general
speaking. And then the Jewish clergy for
example there are some criticisms of it
but there is no verse in the Quran which
indicates that we should hate Jews and
there is no verse in the Quran in the
hadith there's no hadith that indicates
we should show hostility to Jews because
they are Jews quite to the contrary in
fact is it is it the contrast that you
can make the same people that Jesus
peace be upon him those who took him out
where he's talking about you evil and
adulterous generations you wicked and uh
all these other things that he calls
these people, these certain people, this
the same people that the the Quran, God
Almighty is attacking.
Absolutely. These are the kinds of
people. Exactly. Right. So, you know, I
mean, if you want to talk about racism,
we can talk about racism in the Bible
when Jesus is meant to have said, you
know, that the Gentiles are dogs or so
on and so forth. And these verses are
there. There's no equivalent verse in
the Quran. See, the thing is when you
point a finger, you have four fingers
pointed back at you. If you want to talk
about a religion which can be
interpreted in a uh in a racist way,
then we have to speak about some
interpretations of Judaism which talk
about the chosen people and then the
Gentiles and the [\h__\h] and all these kinds
of things. But these people, these
cowards will never mention these things
because they know that they'll be maybe
losing support that they so desperately
need either for their Ponzi schemes or
for something else. But they know when
to shut their mouths and I think they
just realize it's not in their interest
to speak about Zionists and that's why
they're not speaking about Zionist but
they speak about Muslims instead. One
more thing before we go to the next
clip. You're also a teacher of history.
Is that correct? Uh isn't it
historically true that Muslims actually
and Jews academics will admit this that
Islam actually saved the Jewish people?
Absolutely. Many have actually admitted
this candidly. Many Jewish historians
have admitted this candidly and
especially we're talking about, you
know, the Ottoman Empire after the the
Spanish Inquisition in 1492.
Spanish Inquisition in 1492
and onwards whereby the Jewish people
and the Muslim people were being
persecuted in Spain
and the recia happened and afterwards
you know these Jewish people migrated to
the Ottoman Empire at that time in order
to try and find safe haven. And so this
is the kind of thing which
I even read an article funny enough from
the Jewish chronicle which is an outlet
here which mentions something to this
effect and this is something which is
not disputed. Okay, it's not disputed
the fact that the Ottoman Empire, you
have Jewish people going from Christian
Spain at the time because it was after
reconquest
going from Christian Spain to the
Ottoman Empire and seeking safe haven
there, which they did get. And this
shows you and if it wasn't for that,
maybe the state of Jewish people all
over the world today would be completely
different. Maybe there wouldn't be as
many Jews as there are in the world at
all today. UK, I was the only Have you
and Hijab ever done a podcast together?
I'll tell you what Hijab done just like
12 months ago. Hijab sent letters to my
children's home.
This is how they operate. Yeah. So he
sent legal letters. So what I said is I
said Muhammad Hijab is a caveman cuz he
is. Yeah. His ideologies belong 1400
years ago with his prophet. Now what he
believes is that it's okay and he says
this. Yeah. sexual relationship once a
child starts puberty because that's what
Muhammad did. Now, it's hard to have
these conversations anyway. No one wants
to hear them. Yeah. So, I made a video
saying about his deranged backward views
to try and intimidate me, which is what
it was cuz that's what they do. He sent
letters to my children's home just to
let me know he knows where my kids are.
Legal letters. Yeah. Your response?
Yeah. I mean, my solicitor sent Tommy
Robinson legal letters for defamation
case. is I mean if why is he referring
to it as his children's home? I don't
think the children own the property. I
mean I've got children in my house but
if I do something which is defamatory or
lielist to some other entity or person
in the United Kingdom or elsewhere and
then letters are thereby sent to my
house I'm not going to say oh my
children can look at that. This is the
most pathetic victim playing that you
can imagine. And the reason why he's
mentioning this is to try and garner
sympathy from the audience. Oh, look,
you know, this man's trying to
intimidate me and this and that. And
these are legal letters. There's nothing
of a, you know, criminal basis there or
anything like that. That's the first
thing. The second thing is he made
claims about me which are defamatory and
lielist. And we will see in a court of
law whether he can defend himself in
front of a British judge. We're not
asking go go to a Sharia council. I
haven't told him to go to is going to
preside over this one. and then the
winner is going or the the person who
wins this particular case is going to
get this and the loser you you get
killed for example this is not going to
be the case this is a British court so
at the end of the day if you don't want
legal letters sent to your home don't do
illegal things this is a very simple
thing um moreover look I mean this thing
about intimidation I the reason why he
keeps mentioning that I'm intimidating
him is probably because he feels
intimidated by me as we have already
mentioned and he And Patrick David made
a really excellent point. He said, "Why
have you never debated hijab?" The
reason why he has never debated me is
because it's like a man fighting a
child. He knows and I both we both know
it will be completely unfair. It will be
an unfair thing. Somebody who hasn't
even got GCES to his name goes
head-to-head with a man who has six
advanced degrees. Six. One of them from
an Azhar University, one of them from
Oxford University, four of them, okay,
from universities in the United Kingdom.
One of them is not complete. I should
say five. The sixth one's coming soon,
the PhD. The point I'm making, this guy,
how could he go head-to-head with a man
that spent 15 years compiling
academic qualifications in all the
things that he has not done? All the
things. Politics, I've got a degree in
politics. History, I've got a degree in
history.
Religion, Islam, I've got a degree
there. Philosophy, yes, I'm doing my PhD
in that. So, every single thing that
these things these people get wrong.
I've gone to a British institution. I
have sat down. I have done hundreds of
examinations. I have been tested at
least 500 times in my life. essay,
dissertation, thesis, test, and then you
bring me a person who's the lowest of
the low, a scum, a chav, a man that's
not fit to be a student of mine to come
and debate me. And Patrick Bet Davis
wants me to take this guy seriously or
him seriously.
Patrick Bet David should bring me the
biggest academic they can find to speak
to me about these topics. Tommy Robinson
can accompany him as somebody who brings
the coffee and shines the shoes and if
if the guy needs anything, he can get it
for him. Little butler boy that he's got
wearing the Burberry. The Burberry
little clothes that he's wearing, a chav
wearing a Burberry. This is this is
unbelievable that this is even being
it's unfair. If you got a white man
who's a liberal, who's got all of those
qualifications,
they will never suggest a failure to be
his debate opponent. But because I'm a
brown man, I spent 15 years in
universities collecting all these
degrees. And you're going to bring me
the lowest of the low scum bag to
formally debate me.
This is not what you would expect for
yourself. This is not what you would
expect for yourself. So what I'm saying
to you is no problem. I'll debate him.
Not withstanding notwithstanding all
these things. Tommy Robinson has
rejected every single thing. He's he's
rejected a debate challenge. He has
rejected a fight physical. I'm not
saying with me. I'm a heavyweight. I'm
not going to fight this man, okay?
Because I'm too big for him. It would be
unfair and undignified.
It would be unethical. But we've got
people that are his size. He's walking
around like he's a he's a lightweight.
Fine. Go and fight a lightweight. We
have a boxing match. No, you can't
fight. You can't debate. You can't
think. You can't talk. What are you even
doing online? Why are you showing
yourself publicly? Who are you? Who are
you anyway? You are better in prison. He
came out of prison looking like a bit of
an old man because of the cocaine
potentially that he had stopped taking.
And that's what happens when according
to the reports that we've seen someone
stops taking uh cocaine like that woman
in Canada who said that you know he was
taking cocaine and using the
prostitutes. When you stop taking drugs
maybe he should start following Islam. I
think Islam will be perfect for a man
like Tommy Robbins. It will put him
right in place. It discipline him. It
will give him the right guidance. Maybe
Allah will guide him and maybe Allah
will guide Patrick Bet David. But this
kind of behavior, this kind of
hooliganism, this kind of cowardice,
this kind of debauchery, this is
unacceptable and they must start
humbling themselves before the the
humiliation becomes more severe. Are you
what do you believe in? Are you a
Christian or are you a Jew? What would
you say? Do you believe in God? Uh yeah,
I'm a Christian. You're a Christian. I'm
a Christian. Yeah. I've been pushed
more. So I used to say that I didn't
believe my mom was a Catholic brought
up. But then as I've seen the attacks on
Christianity and I've also seen the
decay in British society and the the
fall of Britain has come from the fall
of belief. We have since we've stopped
believing and what built Great Britain
Christianity. What built everything
about us. Everything about our nation
that everyone wants to come to it and
make it a success was built on
Christianity. Since that's descended,
since it's been coming under attack,
since people have left it, it's left a
void. And that void's being filled. And
if we want to understand and remember
who we are, you know, as part of our
identity as say to some people, even if
you don't believe in Christianity, you
don't have to believe in Jesus. That's
what built us as a nation. That that
must be protected. That's part of our
identity. Did I hear him correctly that
you can be a Christian and not believe
in Jesus? Say to some people, even if
you don't believe in Christianity, you
don't have to believe in Jesus. Did he
say that? I didn't I didn't hear. Say to
some people, even if you don't believe
in Christianity, you don't have to
believe in Jesus. Did he say that? Oh,
yeah. if he what if he said if he said
that I mean the thing is he was just
talking about homosexuality and he was
saying that Islam is a foreign thing
because of our views towards
homosexuality but then if he's a
Christian I wonder I wonder what his
views on homosexuality are now when
you've got verses in the Bible that say
man shall not lie with other men but
maybe that's something that he needs to
maybe yeah maybe it's one of the rulings
that he will decide to forgo for
personal reasons and other such reasons.
But the point I'm making is at the end
of the day, I think this is a publicity
stunt. You know, this whole thing about
Christianity that he's he's come out
with a big beard. He's he talks about
Muslims in prison, but he's trying to
copy them. You know, he came out with a
big beard, coming out of prison, this
that and the other. He's trying to copy
the Muslims at the end of the day, you
know, coming out with a big beard and
saying that he's a Christian with, you
know, and then saying, you know, I also
believe in homosexuality and this that
and the other or the Islamic position of
homosexuality is false. I mean, really,
we don't know what his position is, nor
do we care, to be honest, because he's
not a person of significance. You know,
I think the best thing for him, the best
bet for him, the best bet for a man like
that is to meet me, to meet Muhammad
Hijab in person. and he has to get, you
know, his shoe shine uh kit ready. And
then I'll get black shoes, nice black
shoes. And I'll put my foot like that,
like that, like this. And then I'll say,
"Clean them." And then he makes them sp
and span sparkling so I can see myself.
I can see the chump there on my shoe.
And he can I'll I'll tilt the shoe like
that so he can see a little scumbag on
the corner. This is what this guy
amounts to. He's nothing. He he's
actually I think he would become
incompetent. He would be incompetent to
clean my shoe. This is his level. This
is a person shoe shiner level. He's got
absolutely no reason to be speaking
academically or this and that.
You know, you've got this and you got
that.
You know, these Muslims, shut up. Shut
up, Tommy. You've got nothing to offer.
You had more to offer in the cell than
you did outside of it. Okay, Sneo. I
watched Sneo convert to Islam. Yeah. I
don't know why he's converted to Islam.
He's gay. So he's But he's converted to
Islam. Sne's gay. Well, I've watched a
video from him saying, "Well, I wasn't
sure if I was gay or not." Yeah. If
you're not sure if you're gay or not,
Sneay. Yeah. It's pretty simple. Okay.
That's what his words, not mine. So, I'm
I'm going by his words. Yeah. But I
watch Sneo and then he converts to Islam
because it become trendy. Remember
people like us telling the truth about
Islam. We were attacked and silenced.
And then Islam comes in with all this
money and it becomes very trendy. Yeah.
and it becomes trendy because all the
money's coming and funding it. Now Sneo
converts and then he goes and makes some
video in Saudi Arabia. Very well
produced video. He's drawing the
American youth. You need to wake up in
America. Yeah. The same with Andrew
Tate. Okay. These people in my view, so
many of the people I see these Tik
Tokers now. I don't know why he's gay.
This guy this guy has no argument to
make. This guy and I think he's
projecting. Maybe he feels that way. But
at the end of the day, look, he's trying
to attack Sneo. The reason why he's
trying, you've met Sneo as well. He's
doing a very good job in terms of
spreading Islam, trying to stay on the
dean despite all of the temptations
around him. And this is actually he's
actually seen the fruits of Islam that
removes uh the degeneracy, cleans up
one's lifestyle. Whenever Robinson who
currently lives that lifestyle, a
degenerate lifestyle because he is
himself a junkie and a degenerate you
say when he sees someone like Sneo
living the pure life and obviously it's
natural to feel very jealous about this
that would I would just like you say I
know Sneo and uh Sneo he's looking to uh
get married to we got inshallah he gets
married soon finds himself a good wife
but uh yes I don't know I mean these
asine statements like an advertisement
for him right now. If if if any good
sister comes forward then she can send
something to the Dean show. What's the
email maybe then? But it just it just
shows the absurdity. I mean just to go
ahead and um to call you know this is
this is one of the the the lowest attack
to call somebody this name when
somebody's Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
Now if Andrew Tate now decided he didn't
believe in Islam. Didn't believe a word
of it. He can't even come out and say
it. They'll kill him. He can't become
the most famous apostate in the world.
He'll be dead. They want more than one
million. You think they'll kill him?
100%
target. If you come out now and said
Islam's loading nonsense, how come they
haven't done anything to you? You were
in jail and you you were you were having
80 calls a day, 4 hours on the phone.
You're doing all the stuff that you're
doing while you're at jail, but there
was a guy that was a lifer that was
trying to put a hit on you to take you
out and you were there, you know, seven
months. How come that didn't happen?
We'll get through these quick. We got a
few more and we'll we'll wrap it up. Uh
your response.
Yeah. Uh Patrick actually asked for once
a good question. He said, "Well, if if
they would kill him, why didn't they
kill?" He gave him some good pu push
back a little bit. Finally, he pushed
back. It doesn't make any sense. I mean,
if if this was a thing, why didn't it
kill you? You know, that's that's an
excellent question. Or and you're a
crusader of this message that you're
doing. The biggest thing when people
say, you know, you're Islamophobic or
you're racist or any of that stuff, it's
not about them. My interpretation of how
I receive you is look, if you come to my
city and I have neighbors and if I go
into a city and it's run by
Scientologist and the city gets better,
I don't care what your religion is. If
you come into a city and you're Jehovah
and the economy does better, you create
jobs safer, you guys take care of your
kids, you guys are I'm good with that.
But the whole point is if you're coming
into a city and you're bringing ruckus,
chaos, crime, and you want us to adjust
to you, you came to us. I didn't come to
America trying to change America to my
leanings. I came to America because
America offered me what life I wanted.
Okay, this is uh this is very important
here because again, he's he's coming at
it like very logically saying, "Oh,
look, it doesn't matter if you're a
Scientologist, if you're whatever
religion. If you come in to the
neighborhood, to the city, you're making
it better. it's all good. But then he
contrasts that and he said he's making
people now again suspicious of Islam,
you know, putting doubts out there, you
know, spreading this fear that if Islam
comes, Islam is wrecking havoc.
What people need to understand is the
historical context of Muslims coming to
Great Britain. Okay? And the historical
context is that the majority of Muslims
in Great Britain come from former
colonies and they were invited to come
uh by Great Britain for the reasons of
reconstructing the country after World
War II. Now, Great Britain did not have
at the time a rigorous selection
criterion where they're trying to bring
in, you know, engineers and doctors.
They wanted low-skilled workers. Now
what that comes with is when you bring
people of a working-class background
from ex colonies and and now you had
after that wartorrn countries the like
for example Afghanistan and Somalia
these are two major demographics in the
UK of Muslims there were they came after
the wars two particular wars which were
perpetuated by the way and started in
one way or another by the colonial
powers by the European powers if it
wasn't for the colonial powers for
example Afghanistan would not have
happened. So you get all these new
immigrants who come from war torn
countries, wars that you started and
then you've got these other immigrants
that come because of World War II and
the wars that you also engaged in. Okay?
And then you wanted someone to build
your country. It's just not going to be
the case that you're going to tell these
people to come and once they've done the
job of reconstructing your country using
the resources from their country that
you your country has stolen after all of
that has happened. It's not going to be
the case that you're going to use them
and then discard them like a prostitute.
That's not going to happen. And so it
was due to the historical conditions
that you have people in Great Britain
from Muslim backgrounds who also happen
to be from workingclass backgrounds. And
I've made this point before and I'll
make this point again. Crime is
significantly higher when people are of
a workingclass background regardless of
race or religion.
If you look at the places in America
where crime is the highest, it's also
where the money is the lowest, where
people have the lowest uh money. You
know, for example, in Detroit, for
example, in some areas in even Chicago,
you know, you have some very high crime
and it's in ghettos where people don't
have they're disenfranchised. They don't
have the same money as some guy in
California in Santa Clara. That's just a
fact. And it just so happens to be the
case that Muslims in the United States
of America who have been who had come in
for example because of a rigorous
selection criterion and who for example
have professional backgrounds like
engineers or doctors or whatever it may
be they don't engage in the crimes that
you're talking about. So it's just the
case that when you have poor people,
poor people find it rational to take
higher risks including criminal risks
which for example uh food drug use, drug
selling etc because they feel like the
risk is worth taking. They have less to
lose. That's just how it works. And so
if you're making an argument about
Muslims coming into a country, I think
this is a weak argument because as I
mentioned, there is more data,
sociological data to suggest that people
of a poor background, for example, look
look at the data regarding Latin
Americans. And in fact, the right-wing
do mention this Latin Americans from
Mexico, etc., okay? They when they come
in because they are poorer they have
less to live live for if you like who
are willing to commit more crimes. A lot
of them, this is a generalization of
some Latin American and some Muslims
from Muslim countries and some people
whoever it may be poor, poor people are
more likely to commit crimes. And so if
the criteria, if you want less crime in
your country, then don't bring in poor
people, whatever backgrounds they are,
because if you want less crime by
bringing in poor people, then you're
going to have more crime. But if you
have a selection criterion, an
immigration criterion where you say,
"Okay, well, they have to have this
amount in their accounts or they have to
have this professional background,
whatever it is, you can't commit the
mistake, okay, and then blame us for
it." At the end of the day, this is not
going this is your mistake. If you if
you didn't think you didn't have the
foresight, your politicians in the 50s
and 60s didn't have the foresight to
think this would happen. That's not our
issue. That's your issue. I'm this. I'm
this. I'm this. was the solution. The
one thing a lot of people don't want to
talk about. Charter Crow tweeted
something uh 3 days ago and his tweet
was uh Muslim Islam I is not compatible
with Western ideology or something like
that. What does he say? Islam is not
compatible with Western civilization. He
posted it 66 million views. Well, the
the human the European Court of Human
Rights disc said in 2007 I think that
Sharia is incompatible with Western
civilization. Now look what look what
your friend Dan says on the bottom. I
completely disagree. Yeah, of course.
Cuz the cut he's getting paid by Iran.
Of course he's going to see here's the
thing. He sees you saw this tweet by uh
Charlie, right? You actually called him
out to have a discussion with you and uh
is that tweet Islam is not compatible
with Western civilization. What do you
want to say?
Well, I mean first of all, what made
Western civilization the arbiter of
correct morality? Because if you think
about the phrasing of that sentence,
Islam is not compatible with Western
civilization. It already presupposes the
superiority of Western civilization,
right? It's as if you have a ruler and
that ruler is called Western
civilization and you're measuring all
other civilizations with it as if it all
has to align with that ruler. We're
saying that we reject that in the first
place and that if you want to have a
proper conversation about correct
morality, you have to start from an
equal footing. Okay? You have to start
from an equal footing. So the fact that
you'll say okay well Islam is not you
know compatible with western
civilization.
Western civilization itself is not
compatible with itself. Right-wing
people are not compatible with leftwing
people. People that believe in
transgender rights are not compatible
with people who don't believe in those
rights. People who believe in abortion
are not compatible people who don't
believe in abortion. People who believe
in affirmative action are not compatible
with people who don't believe in
affirmative action. people who believe
in MAGA are not compatible with people
who don't believe in MAGA and so on and
so forth. This statement commits
multiple fallacies and makes so much
sweeping generalizations that it beggars
belief that people would take this and
run with it in the way that they have
because the truth of the matter is it
assumes western civilization is one
thing. Western civilization is many
things at the same time. Western
civilization there is no western
civilization. Western civilization is
actually western civilizations.
British culture is different to American
culture. French culture is different to
German culture. Where does the west
start? Where does the west even end? Is
Spain part of western civilization?
Okay. What about Poland? Does that is
that the limits of Western civilization
or is that more Orthodox civilization?
So there's so many questions to be made
about this. But the point is
you know I think at the end of the day
um people are trying to create divides
and I understand that but if you want to
make an argument then make it if I say
okay well Islam is western civilization
for example is incompatible with Islam
I've made Islam an standard and I've
made western civilization that which
compares to it. You wouldn't care too
much about that statement. You probably
agree with it. So why do you think I
care so much about you think it offends
me that we're not in your image? I mean,
do you really think it offends me that
Islam doesn't line up with transgender
rights or uh for example homosexual uh
you know acceptability or nativity? I
don't care about that. In fact, I think
that's what makes Islam sure in many
ways.
Yeah, there's no argument there. It's
just a a set of or there is a
proposition of a generalized sort which
doesn't aim to achieve anything except
for you know energize the base the MAGA
base. Can you do the same thing and
replace Islam with Christianity or
Judaism or other religions and say the
same thing? Yeah, it's a good point.
Judaism to what extent is Judaism uh
compatible with Western civilization? So
put it this way, right? If what is
Western civilization? If you're saying
okay well liberalism okay classical
liberalism or whatever it may be okay
fine to what extent is orthodox Judaism
compatible with classical liberalism
social liberalism the harm principle JS
Mil to what extent is Christianity or
Catholicism even compatible with those
things yes you could so the point is is
western civilization
you you must appreciate Christianity is
not we've made this point before is not
part of western civilization
Christianity is important into western
civilization. Christianity is a Middle
Eastern religion. Okay. According to
them, they say that it started in
Bethlehem. Okay. So why is Christianity
synonymous with the west when it started
in the Middle East?
Why why do you assume Christianity
already originates in the west? It
doesn't I don't think Jesus was born in
Dallas according to you. So at the end
of the day, you know, Western
civilization, you need to reassess the
definitions here. Because these are
little catchphrases that make
disenfranchised
ignoramuses rednecks and hillbillies and
chavs makes them feel good about
themselves and give them a semblance of
selfworth. But the truth is they don't
have a sliver of it because what they do
have is an inferiority complex and they
are they know if there is such a thing
as western civilization it's on the
descendancy. It's going to be one of the
shortest lived empires in the world.
They need to think about China. Stop
thinking about Iran, okay? Because they
keep talking about Iran. They really
need to start thinking about China,
okay? China is developing at a rapid
rate and is posing an economic and
military threat to the United States of
America, the like of which the United
States have never seen before. So, if
there's anything that you need to focus
on is China, because China's already
outstripping you. And in the next 10 to
20 years economically it will be a
superpower which would would have
outstripped America in every single way
except maybe culturally. Okay. Because
there is a cultural power that you know
western civilization does have. You need
to focus on that instead of focusing on
Muslim minorities and uh cities in
Bradford and Birmingham or whatever.
That's not your enemy. Believe me,
that's the least of your worries. We got
two more clips and we'll come to a
close.
I I love hearing different perspectives.
I'm a freedom of uh speech absolutist.
And if somebody watches this, they say,
"Well, he's a racist. He's a
Islamophobe. He's this. He's that."
Great. Listen to it and do your own due
diligence and then do your own research.
If you say he is, great. If you say,
"No, I didn't know the side of him,"
then do research as well. But for me, in
order to really find out who the person
is, until you sit down kneecap to
kneecap, talk to them, you're not going
to really find out find out about it.
One thing uh important about this clip
where Patrick was saying that you got to
sit kneecap to kneecap. I want to get
the perspective. I want to understand
why doesn't he do that with Muslims? Why
doesn't he come and invite Muslims? He
had that one thing that we were a part
of and from there it just got derailed
and he has yeah I mean he to be fair he
has invited me. The thing is I couldn't
go to America because the visa is hard
to get for us now. And that's because
MAGA Donald Trump is making it difficult
for almost all Muslim conservatives, not
just myself and many other people in the
industry. But even fighters like Hamza
Chumayv and Khabib's father and stuff
like that are finding it hard to get
into America. So if Patrick David wants
to have a conversation with us, he's
going to have to come to London or he's
going to have to go to another country.
If he wants a physical conversation, he
can come to us. We'll host him. We'll
show him respect. We'll show them. You
can bring your cameras like Jordan
Peterson did or whatever it is. That's
the only way we're going to do it. But
you know, I mean, whether it's a debate
with Robinson, which you know, if you if
he makes that happen, that's fine. But
if you can get me someone
bit higher in terms of educational
ability, then that's even better. Or
whether it's just a conversation with
him. We're always open to speak about
Islam
and just I think he really just needs
the basics. I I really just think that
Patrick Bet David needs to go to the
basics of what Islam is and just the
pure basics or whether he wants to have
a discussion about society, whatever.
We're always open and we're always
ready. Would you travel? You can go to
Jamaica, right? That's where he had this
interview with uh Oh, is it? Yeah, I
could. You can go to Jamaica. Yeah. Why
has he got a little house in Jamaica or
something? No, this is where because
Tommy couldn't come to America. So Oh,
really? Yes.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure.
Maybe we can ask him. I can ask him and
see uh if that's a possibility. But
you're willing to come if he doesn't to
come down to Jamaica? Of course. Of
course. I'll come to Jamaica. Yeah. Let
me uh let's finish it off with this last
clip. Islam's that's if you recognize it
as a religion. It's an ideology. It's
not just a religion. China said it's a
mental illness. You know, I don't know
if you saw that or not. There were
stories about uh some countries that
talk about Islam is is a religion. The
last thing is it's a complete way of
life. It's a complete way of life and
it's a danger to the west. I think it's
a beautiful way to close because they're
asking the question, what is Islam? So,
let's give it to him.
I think he was right on that point. It
is a complete way of life. Complete way
of life. Yeah, it's absolutely right.
Complete way of life. That's I think
that's a good I mean Dean as you as this
is the Dean show, right? It does mean a
way of life. I mean, that's what it
means. And it's it's a way of life which
explains to you where you came from,
what you're doing here, and where you're
going. It's a way of life which explains
to you your purpose. It's a way of life
which explains to you that your purpose
is to submit and worship one God. Submit
and worship one God in the same way as
everything else in creation is
submitting its will to the nature, to
the laws of nature, to the laws of God.
We are to do what everything else is
doing around us. Just like everything in
the universe is submitting itself to the
laws of nature, the laws of physics, we
too voluntarily and valitionally should
also volunteer to submit ourselves and
worship one God. This is the same God
that Abraham believed in. That's
mentioned in the Bible. It's the same
God that Moses believed in. That's
mentioned in the Bible. is the same God
that Jesus believed in which is
mentioned in the Bible in the book of
Acts where it says a man amongst men
sent with wonders and miracles and signs
which God did through him. We believe
that Jesus Christ was a man, a messenger
that were sent to people that God sent
and who did wonders and miracles and
signs which God did through him. We
believe in that wholeheartedly. We
believe in his mother Mary was sudika.
She was chased. She was pure. She is the
highest woman in Islam. There are so
many similarities between the religion
of Islam and the religion of
Christianity. The major difference of
course is in the nature of God where we
do not believe that God is a man or that
he is a triune God. That the father is
God, the son is God or the holy spirit
is God. That we believe there's only one
God. And that one God is the creator of
the universe, the creator of all that
exists. That Allah had sent messengers
with two things. With a message which is
a message of submission, but also with
an evidence. And for those who are
interested in knowing what the evidences
of Islam are. There are so many
evidences of Islam which you can find on
my website muhammad hijab.com where it
talks about evidences for the proof of
Islam.
Evidences relating to prophecies,
evidences related to the linguistic
miracle of the Quran, evidences related
to the structure of the Quran, evidence
related to the naturalistic phenomena
that is mentioned in the Quran that
perfectly encapsulates some of the
scientific realities that we have
understood today, but which would have
been understandable at the time of the
prophet and in all the times between
and evidences which relate
to historical accuracies that could not
have been known by Muhammad sallallahu
alaihi wasallam at the time. Things
relating to dead languages that could
not have been retrieved. We have the
evidence. We have the truth. We have
Islam. And we are not trying to force or
sell this religion to anybody. In fact,
we just invite people to Islam and
that's all we can do. And they can
accept Islam. They can become Muslims no
matter what your crimes are or what you
have done or what sins you have amassed
or what things you have done. Whether
you are Tommy Robinson or even Benjamin
Netanyahu, whoever you are, you can be
forgiven. Allah his mercy is greater
than anybody's sins. And anybody who
embraces Islam will have all of their
sins forgiven and in fact even
transformed into good deeds. and will
start a new beginning as a clean slate
purified like the way his mother gave
birth to him new born. And this is an
invitation to the entire world.
Whoever wants to can believe and whoever
wants to can disbelieve.
You will have your religion and we will
have ours. Patrick, when David has um
his co-host
and if he was to ask him or some of his
other friends what they actually believe
about Jesus and if they're being honest,
they believe that he's a rebel. He's
burning in the hellfire and they say
some disgusting things about his mother.
What would you say as a Muslim about
Jesus? Do you believe that Jesus uh did
Islam? Was he a Muslim? Um what do you
have to say about Jesus? The only other
major world religion which believes in
Jesus in a capacity
uh that is holy is Islam. We believe
that he was a messenger just like
Christians believe that he was a
messenger. We believe that he was the
Messiah just like Christians believe
that he was the Messiah. We believe that
he did miracles that he cured the dead.
He wrote he who rose the dead with God's
permission. He cured the blind with
God's permission. He cured the leper
with God's permission. He even did
miracles that are mentioned in some of
the apocrypha and some of the other
texts uh but are also mentioned in the
Quran relating to creating from a clay
pigeon, a real pigeon. We believe in so
many miracles that Jesus Christ has
done. We believe that he came from the
Virgin Mary, the chasteed, the virgin
Mary. And we believe that he is one of
the greatest prophets and men that have
ever existed and that he was a good man
and that we must follow him. That if
being Christian means following Christ
that all Muslims are Christians in the
sense that we must all follow Christ and
that he is our role model just like
Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam is
our role model and just like Abraham is
our role model and just like Moses is
our role model. This is the Islamic
belief. And if you don't believe me,
because many people now are listening to
this will not believe that this is the
Islamic belief. They have been sold a
lie. They thought we believed in a moon
god. They believed they think we
believed in a a sun god. I I even saw
something from Takson or I don't know
who it was saying that the sunnis, you
know, worship the sun or something like
because of Sunni or something to that
effect. It might not have been Takson
somebody. This is rank ignorance and
it's if you don't want to become Muslim
that's fine but I wouldn't want to live
with myself not knowing the belief of
one quarter of the world's population
25% according to pu of the world's
population is Muslim
two billion people that are living on
this earth are Muslim why would you want
to live with yourself being that
ignorant of something which occupies
such a great extent over a core
population of the world. So even if you
don't want to become Muslim, enhance
your cultural capital, increase your
knowledge, become more cultured and
learn about Islam, learn about the
basics of Islam. That's what I advise
everybody to do. Last question. Is Islam
a new religion brought by Muhammad? Was
it something that he made up or is this
something that was from the beginning?
It was something that was from the
beginning. And that's why we believe
that Abraham and Moses and all of these
were Muslims. Now someone will say this
is ahistorical and very ridiculous. How
can you believe that Abraham and Moses
much less Jesus because this when we say
this say Jesus was Muslim they say this
is embarrassing. This is how can you say
this? Well because they've understood
Islam to mean following Muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wasallam. They don't
understand what Islam means. Islam means
submission. Islam means submission to
one God, to the will of one God. And as
such, all of the people who existed at
the time of Abraham would have had to
follow him. Everybody who existed at the
time of Moses would have had to follow
him. And everyone who existed at the
time of Jesus would have had to follow
him. And all of them said the same
thing, which was that you have to
believe and worship in one God. Which is
why the Quran mentions
that Abraham was not a Jew nor was he a
Christian but he was upright and
submissive and he was not of the
polytheists because how could he be a
Jew and Judaism is named after Judah who
is one of the grandsons of Abraham. How
could he be a follower of his own
grandson?
Likewise, how could he be a Christian, a
follower of Christ when Christ did not
exist at the time? What he was in fact
was somebody who was sent by God. He was
a prophet, a messenger and he worshiped
in one God and submitted to one God. And
that is what we call a Muslim. And Islam
is not something that started with
Muhammad. It was something which was
continued by him. And that's why in the
Quran in chapter 46
Allah mentions
that say I was not an innovation among
the messengers and I don't know what's
going to happen to me or what's going to
happen to you. So Allah is telling the
prophet say to the people I'm not
something new. I'm not an innovation.
I'm the same thing as was there before.
I'm the same thing as came to Moses. I'm
the same thing as came to Abraham and
I'm the same thing as came all the way
back to the first human being Adam who
was a prophet as well. So Islam was
always there but it had different
messengers for different times and
different peoples.
This is a longer episode. We had a lot
to cover and alhamdulillah I did a great
job. I want to thank you. Thank you.
Inshallah this will be a benefit and
hopefully people can benefit from this
and um anything else closing remarks. We
need to meet up. You know it's been too
long Eddie. We have to meet up you know.
Yes we're going to have to meet up soon.
I think Ho Gracie is coming to the UK by
the way. Yeah. Yeah. He he's Muslim,
isn't he? Yes. He took Hoes Gracie took
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family in Bosnia. Actually, he visited
Bosnia for the first time and a man came
up to him and he confirmed this. He
said, "Hey, are you?" Cuz he heard he
said, "Are you Muslim?" And he said,
"Yes, I'm Muslim." So, he's uh and he
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