Those who bless Israel will be blessed
and those who curse Israel will be
cursed. Doesn't exist. Not a real verse
in the Bible. You'll never find a verse
in the Bible that says that if you bless
Israel, you'll be blessed. If you curse
Israel, you'll be cursed. This is
typical dispensational rhetoric that is
banking on the ignorance of the
listener, not knowing what the Bible
actually says. That's an obsession.
You're not talking about Chinese. You're
not I don't know how deep you want to
go, but you have the King David Hotel.
That way, he can stay in office forever
and ever. He's been there most of the
last 20 years. Greetings of peace.
Millions have tuned in to watch the
recent interview Tucker Carlson
conducted with a US senator. An
interview that is raising eyebrows and
stirring major conversations across the
country. We're going to get into key
segments of that interview Tucker
Carlson had. Then I'll be joined by
someone with deep insight into the
issues it touches upon and who isn't
afraid to break it down honestly. Let's
get into the video and then I'll bring
out my next guest. Growing up in Sunday
school, I was taught from the Bible,
those who bless Israel will be blessed
and those who curse Israel will be
cursed. And from my perspective, I want
to be on the blessing side of things. of
the those who bless the government of
Israel. Those who bless Israel is what
it says. It doesn't say the government
of it. Says the nation of Israel. So
that's in the Bible. As a Christian, I
believe that. Where is that? I I can
find it to you. I I don't have the the
scripture off the tip of mine. You pull
out the phone and use the It's in
Genesis. But so you're quoting a a Bible
phrase. You don't have context for you
don't know where in the Bible it is. But
that's like your theology. I'm confused.
What does that even mean, Tucker? I'm a
Christian. And I want to know what
you're talking about. Okay. Where does
where does my support for Israel come
from? Number one, because biblically we
are commanded to support Israel. But
number two, hold on. No, not hold on.
You're a senator and now you're throwing
out theology and I am a Christian. I am
allowed to weigh in on this. We are
commanded as Christians to support the
government of Israel. We are commanded
to support Israel and we're told those
who bless Israel will be blessed. But
what? Hold on. This is my next guest,
Allison Weir, an American peace
activist, journalist, writer, and widely
regarded as a Middle East expert. She's
also the founder of the highly
informative and influential website, If
Americans Only Knew. Allison, how are
you?
I'm good, thank you. I'm glad to be on
your show. Thank you. Thank you for
having uh thank you for being back with
us. Are you familiar with this this
verse in Genesis
in um the Bible that uh Senator
brought up? And is there a consensus
among religious uh scholars, Christian
scholars, academics
that this refers to the modern state of
Israel? Doesn't exist. Not a real verse
in the Bible. You'll never find a verse
in the Bible that says that if you bless
Israel, you'll be blessed. If you curse
Israel, you'll be cursed. This is
typical dispensational rhetoric that is
banking on the ignorance of the
listener, not knowing what the Bible
actually says. Now, what he's
referencing is Genesis 12, where God is
addressing Abraham, not Israel, and
telling him that those who bless him
will be blessed. Those who curse him
will be cursed, and in thee shall all
families of the earth be blessed. Of
course, referring to the fact that Jesus
Christ would come from Abraham, Jesus
Christ being the person in whom all
families of the earth have been blessed.
No mention of Israel whatsoever. And in
fact, Israel didn't even exist until
long after Abraham bore Isaac. Isaac
bore Jacob. Jacob became Israel. Israel
had 12 sons. Those 12 sons became 12
tribes. Those 12 tribes became known as
the nation of Israel. Not the modern
state of Israel that was created in 19.
I'm familiar with it now, but growing up
as a as a Christian, as a Protestant
Christian, I actually had never heard
it. It was never taught in any of the
churches I went to. Um, I grew up in a
military family. And so my family moved
around quite a bit. Um, sometimes I
attended services on military bases in
chapels that were non-denominational
and yet I never heard that this referred
to. So it's very interesting that it's
become so significant to a number of
people. But no, there's there's actually
very little consensus on it. Um, I would
suspect that the majority of Christian
Americans and Christians in general
don't believe that that refers to the
modern state of Israel. Um, you know,
this is this is from Genesis
very long time ago. It doesn't actually
say bless Israel even in the Bible. It
just says bless you and it means the
progeny
um of Abraham who are both um Jews and
and Palest and Arabs etc. So it's not a
it's not a consensus at all. It was
promoted really
surprising. I've looked into this a bit
and found that this whole so-called
Christian Zionism has been promoted
since the early 1900s on behalf of
Israel.
Um I can go into that at some point.
Yes. Uh this is uh very I think very
important because we want to get to the
root of the the matter and it seems like
this is um if you agree this would be
the root of it and and more importantly
isn't it deeply concerning that a US
senator appears to be making who's
making and responsible for making
foreign policy decisions
um is based on on this which all started
is it correct by someone who was a con
man if you want to be straightforward
about it. Cyber Scoffield. This was
funded by the earliest Zionist movement.
Uh so yeah, if you can get into the
history of the Scoffield Bible and why
knowing about this is so so important.
And I wonder if this senator knows about
what you're what you're going to talk
about. And Tucker actually knows about
this and he's spoken about this before
with his guests.
That's right. Tucker has has gotten into
this a little bit with the previous
interview um with a um I think his name
was John Rich
an American evangelical who has talked
about this the false teachings that
occur around Israel.
Um yes this was largely promoted by a
man named um Cyrus Scoffield. He had
been a pastor in the Texas church and
ended up being a member of the Lotus uh
club in man in Manhattan. This is not
the usual place for a
a a Texas preacher to be a member. While
he was a member there, there was also a
member named Samuel Unterm who was a a
Jewish hardcore Zionist promoting
Zionists already in the early 1900s in
the United States. And I've written
about that fact quite a bit in my book.
So he was there and as the biographer of
Cyrus Scoffield writes and the
biographer is a a Christian who had been
evangelical
and then looked into this further and
was um changed his minds on that topic.
He writes that it's quite clear that
somebody was guiding and funding Cyrus
Scoffield in what he did. Cyrus
Scoffield ended up writing an annotated
version of the Bible. This is largely
the first annotated version of the
Bible, certainly in modern times. And
his annotations make it seem that
the Bible is referring to the modern
state of Israel. That um anybody
speaking against the modern state of
Israel is supposedly anti-Semitic,
which is not in the Bible. This is just
added by um Cyrus Scoffield who has no
degree in in any of this and who had a
background as a as a con man. He had
left his wife and children who certainly
um no one would view him as a highly
moral person or knowledgeable about
Christian theology.
But he was able to write these notes in
what's now called the reference B the
Scoffield Reference Bible. Through the
years, the notes that have been added,
even after Scoffield died, have become
more Zionist. It's very interesting that
that's going on. So, that Bible was
published um
by by I think it was the C No, I'm
forgetting. I think it was the Cambridge
um publishing house in England. And it
was distributed. There was money to
distribute that Bible all around the
United States, especially in the Bible
belt. It was promoted in in Bible
colleges so that people that were
learning to become pastors would read
that that really false portrayal of the
Bible. And many of them would then teach
it not knowing that the real facts on
it.
So that that Bible has had a great deal
of influence. But many people actually
right from the beginning, I'd read about
this a number of years ago when I first
learned about this. A number of American
theologians, evangelical theologians
um early on were writing that this was
was a false teaching that this was not
correct that um what it talks about
partly is dispensationalism
as sort of unusual kind of theology that
really is not mentioned very much
anymore.
But basically what's been driving
Americans, I think American evangelicals
are two things. They believe they're led
to believe that Jews are God's chosen
people, whereas most people feel that
all people are God's chosen people.
That's what Jesus Christ was talking
about. And they believe what um
Senator Pruz said was that it he who
blesses Israel is blessed, etc. But
that's
unclear. That's quite clearly not
talking about the modern state of
Israel. It's not stop talking about
Netanyahu. It's not talking about a
country that is killing children and
starving children in long in large
numbers.
The reason, the real reason I think even
more than the Scoffield Bible that many
evangelicals support Israel is because
they don't know what Israel is doing.
There was an excellent documentary by a
man named Porter Speakman in 2010
who had himself been raised as an
evangelical and learned went to to
Palestine and many many
religious Christians have gone there and
have actually seen what Israel is doing
and have spoken against it. So he made a
documentary showing how when when
evangelicals go to go to Palestine, the
West Bank and Gaza and Israel itself and
have seen the treatment of Palestinians,
they realize that this is in violation
of most teachings in the New Testament
that this is a violation of of Christian
doctrine of doing unto others as you
would have them do unto you.
um many teachings by Jesus. So I think
that even though the scope of Bible is
very significant, what's even more
significant is that the media so rarely
show Americans, especially conservative
Americans who watch Fox News, for
example, and may listen to talk radio,
many of them are being deeply
misinformed about actually what's going
on. And I think that that's been a major
role in the so-called Christian Zionist
views about Israel and Palestine and and
Gaza and Iran.
So, can we say that this senator,
he's been duped? I mean, this is a con
man and this is a con job. Uh and this
is uh it's really sad to see people who
are supposed to be policy makers,
intellectuals, you know, who are um
running America, but they don't have
this basic knowledge that you have. And
it's getting out there now. Now it's uh
it was a lie that was uh it was promoted
like you were saying. It was put out
into the universities, college. I I
heard that Oxford Press put out a
million copies and more free. They were
just giving this out there to push this
uh this false narrative and this
propaganda. It's very sad to see uh
senators, congressman, people like this
who don't know this basic information.
That's right. And getting back to
Senator Cruz,
I actually don't think he's duped. I
He's not He's not a stupid man. No, he
did go to Harvard and um but he's he
also knows that if you speak out against
Israel then you will have the Israel
lobby in this country extremely powerful
and well funded will come after you and
they will if you will they will either
donate to you in which you'll get in
which case you'll get no huge amounts of
money for your next campaign because
every senator and congressman is
concerned about being reelected.
So, you will either get lots of money
for your campaign or your opponent will
get lots of money for their campaign.
I think that's actually what's going on.
It's interesting as many people noticed.
Um, Senator Cruz didn't even know where
in the Bible it supposedly said that.
He knew very little about the Bible. Um,
I think that he does know a great deal
about the mechanics of getting elected.
the importance, the necessity of
campaign donations and that campaign
donations regarding Israel Palestine are
dominated clearly by pro-Israel
billionaires and pro-Israel millionaires
and others. And that's what I think was
in in his mind and is in his mind and
the mind of many of our Congress people
from both sides of the aisle. Let's get
into some more clips here. Um, my
opinion is that this is these are fake
Christians. People like this is just my
opinion from my analyzing and they use
Christianity for their own agenda and
they're fake. I don't know if you'd
agree, but that's just my opinion, my
analysis. Uh, let's get into uh some
more clips from this interview on
foreign countries and the threat we
supposedly face, a lot of which is fake
obviously. um over over the kind of
slowly unfolding tragedy of what's
happening to our country, the the the
dollars spent, the aid packages to
Ukraine to pay the retirement of civil
servants in a country that we have
nothing to do with the endless support
for Israel very expensive when people
are literally buying groceries on credit
in the United States. Can you feel like
it's nothing against Ukraine or Israel
or other countries? All right, let's
stop. You said the support for Israel
very expensive. How much support do we
give to Israel? Well, you tell me. You
vote for it. Yeah, it's about 3 billion
a year is the military assistance. Is
that the only assistance? Yeah, we we
just have military assistance. Israel
does not have additional assistance.
There's there's an MOU, a memorandum of
understanding, and it's 3 billion a
year. So, what is it costing to support
the bombing campaign to protect Israel
right now um from Iran? So, I don't know
right now, but I'll tell you this. Let's
go back to the touchstone on foreign
policy. American interest. Now, this is
uh for those that don't know, this is
your area e of expertise because if
Americans only knew that is uh you're
the originator of this uh website and
you actually discussed these things. Can
you help shed some light now on and
what's your reaction to this? Well, he's
he's minimizing how much money we give
to Israel. First of all, he's minimizing
Yes. The amount of money we give to is
Israel in 2024
um was $63 million per day. $63 million
per day of our tax money went to Israel
in 2024. This is fully documented.
He also minimizes the fact that we give
a great deal of money to Jordan and to
Egypt, much less than we give to Israel,
but still many millions of dollars. And
that's because they were bought off by
American tax money on behalf of Israel
to get them to stop supporting
Palestinian human rights.
Um, so we the amount of Israel is
costing Americans massive amounts of
money. On top of that is the the debacle
of the Iraq war which was because of
Israel. We fought in Iraq the Iraq war.
This is well documented again on behalf
of Israel. that has cost our country at
least $3 trillion. It's probably now
closer to five trillion dollars.
Israel partisans are trying to get us to
fight another Middle East war on behalf
of Israel against Iran, which would, you
know, be another disaster. So, that part
is is he's he's left out that part. Um,
I think in terms of whether someone's a
fake Christian or not, I you know,
that's
not probably for me to say, but
certainly his statements and his actions
um suggest that he ignores most of the
teachings of Jesus Christ and uh I think
that he's doing that because he wants to
get elected
and that's what what it seems to
require. Now what's interesting is that
many other conservatives
um who are I'm you know expect many of
them that Marjgerie Taylor Green was
quite likely I would think would be from
a fundamentalist evangelical type of
background. She has been speaking out
viferously against a war on Iran. Um
there have been a number of of
Christians that are now speaking out.
Tucker Carlson has is you know clearly a
devout Christian. He speaks out against
it. some of the others that if Matt
Gates speaks out against it against the
war on Iran Thomas Massie he's a good
example now Thomas Massie is a American
congressman from West Virginia that's
the Bible belt he has spoken out he has
voted against money to Israel he has
devoted the fact as he put it in a long
interview he said everybody in Congress
has an apac eye everybody has an apac
eye apac is one of the many many
lobbying organizations on behalf of
Israel, but it's one of the it's
probably the most famous, the American
Israel Public Affairs Committee. This is
a lobby on behalf of a foreign country.
And yet they have somebody that's
telling everybody in Congress what they
should what how they should vote, what
they should say, what should they should
vote for, and what they should vote
against. And here's Thomas Massie, a
devout Christian from the Bible belt,
speaking out against that, exposing that
and speaking out against it. I'm going
to go to another clip in the interview.
The obsession with Israel when we're
talking about foreign countries
obsession. You're not talking about
Chinese. You're not talking about
Japanese. You're not talking about the
Brits. You're not talking about the
French. The question, what about the
Jews? What about the Jews? I'm an
anti-semite now. Senator, you're asking
the question, Tucker. You You're asking
why are the Jews controlling our foreign
policy? That's what you just asked.
Hardly saying that and I have That is
exactly what you just said. Well,
actually, I can speak for myself and
tell you what I am saying. Good on
behalf not simply of myself, but on of
my many Jewish friends who would have
the same questions, which is to what
extent, and I it's interesting you're
trying to derail my questions by calling
me an anti-semite, which you are. I did
not. Of course you are. And and rather
than be honorable enough to say it right
to my face, you are sitting in a squeezy
feline way implying it or just asking
questions about the Jews. I'm not asking
questions about the Jews. I have this
has nothing to do with Jews or Judaism.
It has to do with the foreign
government. Isn't Israel controlling our
foreign policy? That's not about the
Jews. You said I'm asking, by the way,
you're the one that just called me, I
think, a sleazy feline. So, let's your
thoughts.
Well, of course, the first thing when
anybody talks about Palestine or
Palestinians or human rights for
Palestinians or mentions that there are
Palestinian Christians and have, you
know, always been there as a significant
portion in the past of the community.
Um, anybody Jewish or not Jewish who
speaks out on that is called
anti-semitic. There are many Jewish
Americans who speak out about it. There
are there are a number of Jewish
Israelis who speak out about um all of
them. I happen to be a Christian
American who speaks about it. All of us
are called anti-Semitic.
This has gone on, you know, for for ages
and ages. It's increased in recent years
because Israel has even managed to embed
a new definition of anti-semitism in the
US government, in governments around the
world, in on campuses around the the the
United States. I've written about this
in great detail because it's um very
damaging and and manip manipulative.
Um it's called now it's called the the
Holocaust remembrance definition of of
anti-semitism. It largely revol revolves
around statements about Israel.
Anti-semitism is bigotry or dislike of
Jews. It's wrong as all bigotry is
wrong. It has nothing to do with
statements about a foreign country,
especially factual statements about a
foreign country. And yet, that's the new
definition that's being promoted um and
has been promoted step by step by step.
If people go to our website, if
Americans knew, you can find the my long
article about the weaponization of
anti-semitism and the creation, the
fabrication of a new definition of it.
So, of course, Pruz, you know, ended up
suggesting
very strongly that Tucker Carson is
anti-Semitic and that that's what he
would have done against any Norman
Finkelstein, who's Jewish, you probably
call him anti-Semitic. Um, it's just the
tactic that's always used and sadly it
often works. Often people then believe,
oh, Allison Weir is an anti-semite or
Tucker Carlson is an anti-semite or um,
you know, Norman Finkelstein is an
anti-semite. something ridiculous, you
know, like those things. So, because of
that, it silence the the most troubling
part of it to me is it silences many
people who know better and who are maybe
horrified at what's going on in Gaza and
has gone on in Gaza long before the last
two years and in the West Bank and
elsewhere because they don't want to be
called anti-semitic. And so many people
don't speak out because of that. They
don't want to be called that name. They
don't want their reputation to be
damaged. They don't want their
livelihood potentially be damaged by
speaking out about this issue. Listen, I
came into to Congress 13 years ago with
the stated intention of being the
leading defender of Israel in the United
States Senate and I've worked every day
to do that. Apac a lot of What are your
thoughts on that? I mean, he tells you
his intention right off the the bat, why
he came in. That was kind of ironic. you
would what what are your thoughts when
you when you hear that? Well, that's
unusually honest, you know, that someone
would come into office in the US
government to advocate on a foreign
country. But that's, you know, he's
actually boasting of something that he
doesn't even deserve the award for
because Chuck Schumer, the um has who
was the past majority leader, Senator
Chuck Schumer from New York, Chuck
Schumer is has been boasting that he is
the guardian of Israel, that Schumer
means guardian, that he is the guardian
of Israel. in the US um Senate we have a
very powerful senator saying that he is
the guardian of Israel even before um
Ted Cruz said that so many people
sadly because they want either I think
Schumer actually is ideologically
pro-Israel from you know his earliest
days I suspect
Ted Cruz probably when he became an
ambitious politician then he became
became a strong supporter of Israel.
It's interesting that some some people
that you know this is often portrayed as
being motivated by religion. But look at
something somebody like Jesse Helms who
was from I believe from one of the
Carolinas maybe maybe North Carolina or
South Carolina was a senator in Congress
for many years very very conservative
um from the Bible belt from deep in the
Bible belt.
He used to vote, he originally voted
against money for Israel because like
most conservatives at that time, they
were America first and very conservative
financially and didn't believe in
sending lots of money abroad when there
was need in the United States. So he
voted against it even despite his
religious views, whatever they were,
whatever they likely were. But when he
realized that he got very very bad media
coverage by what are pro-Israel media,
he changed his tune and he changed his
voting pattern. So it has much more to
do with with elections and with domestic
politics as people often call it than
over religious beliefs.
So, we started off talking about the
Christian Zionism, some history there,
why this is important to know, and now
we're we're seeing in the interview.
Let's go to one more one more clip here.
Um, because it goes into my my next uh
question. Iran's nuclear capacity. And
the reason I view Iran differently, we
talked before about Iraq. I oppose the
the Iraq war. We talked about Syria. I
oppose military intervention in Syria.
The reason for that is those did not
pose a threat to the United States. I
think Iran is marketkedly different.
Number one, the Ayatollah is a religious
zealot zealot. He he is a lunatic, but
but a particularly dangerous kind of
lunatic because he's driven by religious
fervor. When he says death to America
and death to Israel, now look, I'm not a
fan of Iran. I'm not advocating for
Iran. I'm not um a spokesman for them or
anything, but just this hypocrisy that
when you when you see he's talking about
religious zealatry
and but we just we started off he's here
talking about why he's doing things his
intention talking about the Bible
driving him and then you know the people
he's supporting how much you probably
know maybe you can talk about it the
people he's supporting are also
religious zealots who are waging a
modern-day I don't know if you know this
term had
uh this is um uh because if you use
holocaust I mean this will be equivalent
to it also against innocent human beings
women and children in huzah what's
happening right there they're trying to
force engineer prophecies you probably
know about the red heers uh the the plan
to try to take over the um the masid
Alexa
So, do we see the same pattern now, you
know, repeating itself where you have um
I don't know if you've also seen this
the the BB files, you know, he he keeps
trying to get the US into these wars and
then we see history
in the past. you've seen um these same
people, these zealots. He's talking
about zealots, but we have a history of
people uh that he's supporting and who
are part of this who were at one time,
you know, responsible for
I don't know how deep you want to go,
but you have the King David Hotel, you
know about this. Uh they actually this
was a false flag, wasn't it? I mean,
I'll mention a lot of things. We can
come back to it. The USS Liberty, USS
Liberty, a famous false flag. You know,
you want to get us in the war against
Egypt? Well, then Israel and the CIA
collaborate and bomb and kill American
sailors on the USS Liberty. Too bad you
didn't kill all of them because a lot of
them lived and they told the world what
the hell happened when they tried to use
American sailors as a false flag to get
us into a war against Egypt. Didn't
work. These are the same people who went
and tried to blame Muslims and who tried
to go ahead and do do these attacks. And
now it's uncovered that these were false
flags. the Leavon affair
and Iraq, all of this. Our bestie gave
us this information. Then Coen Powell
gets out there and he and all of this
gets turned out to be a lie. There were
no weapons of mass destruction, but a
million people's lives were taken
because of this. So that's what I mean
by the pattern. It keeps repeating
itself. What What are your thoughts?
You're right. I mean, all of those are
significant factors that are largely
hidden from the majority of Americans.
More and more of people are learning it.
Um, are you familiar with all with all
of these incidences that I had
mentioned? Yes, all of those I'm very
familiar with. And um, am I am I am I
accurate or is there
when I brought these up?
if uh you know people I'm sure this will
be on YouTube or somewhere so people can
pause it and and look into you know
Google each one of your your statements
and look on our website and we've had
articles about them we've talked about
um the Leavon affair which was in the
early 1950s when Israel was planting
uh bombs and things in places where
American congregated with the idea that
they would go off and they People would
be led to believe that this was by the
Muslim Brotherhood when it was actually
by Israel. This got exposed and was a
scandal in Israel. So that it didn't
succeed, but that was their attempt. The
USS Liberty when they attacked and and
tried to sink a US Navy ship, injur
killed 34 American servicemen, injured
approx at least 174 of them, have lied
about it ever since. Um, many people
suspect that that was a false flag in
incident meant to get the US, you know,
their effort was to sink the ship with
all men aboard. They even um shot up
life rafts. That's a war crime right
there. Um if it had gone down then quite
likely the US would have thought oh
Israel's our ally so of course it was
done by Egypt and we would have brought
in been brought into the war against
Egypt because it didn't sink and because
the survivors and the f their families
and the families of the 34 men who were
killed have tried ever since to get the
facts out on that one. In terms of
religious zeatry,
um I would suggest that that Israel
really dwarfs other people in terms of
the level of religious zeatry and the
the influence of of those groups.
They're not the majority of Israelis at
all, but they often dominate Israeli
policies. certainly currently in
Netanyahu's policies are dominated by
these um really cultish religious you
know Zionists and but that's not new.
There's an excellent book that was
written by an Israeli historian named
Israel Shahak. He wrote three excellent
books. I actually have read all three
and recommend all three. One of them is
called Jewish fundamentalism in Israel
where he exposes what was being was
being taught and is still being taught
in Israel. It's quite quite astounding
and disturbing to read about that. He
also wrote one about Jewish
fundamentalism in general which is even
stronger. and he wrote one called I
think it was um open secrets something
like that about Iran about the effort
beginning in 1991
to get the US to attack Iran on behalf
of Israel.
Um so these are all very important
aspects. I think what's also not known
is that for example, one of the
influential groups that's often referred
to, you know, so-called religious groups
that supports Israel is Christians
United for Israel, Kufi. The the sort of
head head of that is um John Hegy, whose
theology is very strange in many ways,
including this way. But what people
don't know is that the the person who
run who ran Ky Christians United for
Israel was run by David Brog. David Brog
is a Jewish American attorney who was
very close is very close to Israel. Um,
he got a lot of funding by the American
billionaire Sheldon Ad, a billionaire
who an American who has funded, he died,
but now his wife Miriam who is an
Israeli citizen continues to fund Donald
Trump for example and Republicans quite
often.
Um, getting back to Kufi, a lot of
people don't know that, for example, the
current, I believe this is still the
current co-executive director is Sher
Dolinger. Sher Dolinger is also Jewish,
who is listed in the Israeli media. Call
her one of the 50 most influential Jews.
This is the person running Christians
United for Israel. Um, there's a whole
background to all of this that people
really don't know. That's significant to
understand. So we keep seeing this
manipulation on by sometimes by
Israelis, Israeli American citizens,
sometimes quite usually by groups on
working on behalf of Israel are
manipulating the American public and the
US government into taking policies that
are extremely dangerous for the whole
world.
tragically damaging to the Middle East
as people not Israel hasn't only damaged
and attacked Gaza and the West Bank.
They've attacked Egypt, they've attacked
Syria, they've, you know, repeatedly
attacked Lebanon, killing numerous
people. But it's also extremely damaging
to the United States. the fact that we
are funding policies that are clearly
clearly grotesque cruel war crimes and
the world knows that we're funding it
even though most Americans don't know
that causes hostility understandable
hostility to our country. So the Israel
lobby is causing great damage and it
the other thing that's very bad about it
that people often don't know is the
Israel lobby portrays itself as
representing all Jews, all Jewish
Americans supposedly support these
policies that Apac and the ADL and
Jewish Federations, Jewish Community
Relations Councils, etc. around the
country support. They they often say the
Jewish community suggesting that the
Jews are running this and that's not
true. I have many Jewish friends who are
you know actively publicly opposing
these policies. Um I know Jewish
Israelis who are publicly opposing these
policies. But sadly the Jewish
establishment in the United States
claims that all the Jewish establishment
sadly
is supporting and trying to enable what
Israel is doing today.
And then they try to claim that what
they're doing represents all Jewish
Americans, which it does not. So there's
lots of dimensions to all of this.
Again, on our website, we try to I've
been doing this for almost 25 years
belatedly in my life. I'm not young. So
that's a big, you know, that's after
having been alive and active for many
years. Only only in fall of 2000 did I
start to wake up to this issue. And in
the 25 years since that time, I've
studied it intensively. I've gone to the
region a number of times. I've written a
book about the history of the Jewish of
the Israel lobby in the United States.
And um
so I'm not speaking from because of just
recent anger or something. I'm speaking
from 25 years of research in trying to
find the actual facts and portray the
situation as accurately and fairly and
factually as I can. And for doing that,
I'm constantly called anti-semitic. You
know, some people try to say I'm a
communist, others try to say I'm a white
supremacist. I'm none of those things.
I'm just I feel an average American who
wants justice, who want believes in um
the tenets that many religions believe
in in terms of treating others with
humanity and and respect and and um
morality. So that's who I am and that's
what I've been doing. Yeah, this is a
really good point. Uh distinguishing
between Zionism and you have many Jews
who are speaking out against this. Uh,
I've had rabbis on the program who also
confirm any of the things that you're
saying and are against this and they see
the havoc that it's causing in the
world. And the there's a really good
documentary. I don't know if you had a
chance to see it's called the BB Files.
Have you seen that one? I have not seen
that one. Have you heard of it? I think
everybody should watch this because in
that documentary
and I believe u this is an Israeli
documentary and it has some subtitles
and it shows how this uh person who's
now in charge of the state Netanyahu
he's was actually about to go to jail
for crimes he was doing and and you can
see the elephant in the room. Uh there's
a former president. I'm gonna play this
and get your reaction. He kind of um
spills it why this person is doing what
he's doing. Uh because if if he doesn't
then he's probably going to end up in in
jail. So let's have a look at this. Mr.
Netanyahu has long wanted to fight Iran
because
that way he can stay in office forever
and ever. He's been there most of the
last 20 years. But I I think we should
be trying to diffuse it. And I hope
President Trump will do that. He I hope
anybody there will do that. We We've got
to stop We got to convince our friends
in the Middle East that we'll stand with
them and try to protect them.
But
choosing
undeclared wars in which the primary
victims or civilians
who are not politically involved one way
or the other, just want to live decent
lives is not a very good solution. Do I
think that we have to try to stop Iran
from having a nuclear weapon? I do. I
tried at that and and we had some
success.
But we don't have to have all this
outright constant killing of civilians
who can't defend themselves and they
just want a chance to live. So you have
the BB files, you have the facts that
this person was about to go to jail and
then everything kicks off and now he's
still
um taking us in that direction of chaos
and World War II possibly. And now you
have um many who are seeing this. I
wonder if Trump sees it that um and do
you think many many of Americans
politicians are being played? I mean the
former president gets the elephant out
of the room. He says he's just trying to
stay in power. This is a great way to
stay in power. What are your thoughts?
That's true. Yes. There's there's again
part of what I do and I think I
encourage people to do is read the
Israeli media especially Harets is a
daily newspaper and um it's you know
Netanyahu has clearly been accused with
looks like a great deal of evidence that
he's been corrupt. He's taken bribes of
all sorts. Um his wife has taken bribes.
All of this is well documented in
Israel. The Israeli media, many people
in the Israeli media and in the in
Israel have suggested that Netanyahu is
keeping these things going because
when and if well someday it'll the gods
of genocide will be over and and some of
this will stop. Then he'll he'll be out
of office because people have were
extremely um angry at a lot of his
policies. and when he's out of office,
he will be prosecuted for a number of
serious alleged crimes against him.
That's widely known in Israel and many
people feel that is one of the reasons
that he's keeping everything going and
all this violence going. Um I think
that's entirely true. A lot of people
don't know again the media US media
coverage of this is often so flawed.
Even reports that seem good usually have
sort of hidden Israeli spin in them. But
you know
there's no evidence whatsoever that Iran
has a nuclear weapons program that has
not been stated. The recent um i.e. the
A I always forget the initial
the recent atomic um energy
agency that that monitors
um nuclear weapons in the world issued a
report. It did not say anywhere that
that Iran was developing nuclear
weapons. That's been misreported over
and over again. I just wrote an article
about it. You can look at the report.
You can scan it. look for, you know,
there's they
did not say that Iran was developing
nuclear weapons, that it was developing
a nuclear bomb. In fact, the person who
issued the report, um, Raphael Rossi
afterwards in at least two interviews
broad these were broadcast on the US, I
think on CNN,
specifically said, "We did not find
evidence that Iran was developing a
nuclear weapon." the supreme leader who
I think is an intelligent I I'm
impressed you know number of the things
I've seen that he has stated and said he
has issued a fatwa against developing a
nuclear bomb a fatwa is a religious
edict saying that that is wrong and
forbidden to have a nuclear weapon
because it's so such a dreadful weapon
and causes such harm to people you know
to everyone so there's There's even been
a religious edict against developing a
nuclear weapon in Iran. Now, after these
recent attacks on Iran, people are
saying that may change because the
reason that countries often have a
nuclear weapon is for deterrence.
When you have a nuclear weapon, then you
are not as likely to be attacked by
Israel that has anywhere from 100 to 400
nuclear weapons and has the US in their
back pocket which has we have hundreds
and hundreds of nuclear weapons. So
there's a real reason
for a country that's wants to remain
safe from attack to have a deterrent and
that would be to develop a nuclear
weapon. But so far, US intelligence
agencies, as was recently reported, time
after time after time, year after year,
report that there is no weapons develop,
nuclear weapons development going on in
Iran at all. And yet, most Americans are
being led to believe that there is
because of twisted US media coverage and
because a lot of the, you know, Jake
Kappler isn't Israel partisan. So if you
go on CNN, you'll hear things from Jake
Kaplan that'll sometimes just not true.
And that's one of them.
Before we conclude, I remember I've
quoted you from our last episode quite a
few times. This is very important
information and that's why you're called
If Americans Only Knew. And there is a
campaign nowadays and it's been
happening for a long time. And the same
people now that are responsible for many
of these things we're talking about,
they've also made this campaign now to
cause division, to spread
misinformation. And you listed the
organizations. Can we touch upon that to
uh create this Islamophobia and how this
is all connected. Do you remember that?
We touched upon that in our last
program. That's right. Yes. There has
been a very very calculated campaign to
cause Americans to fear and hate
Muslims. and to be misinformed about
Islam. This is I remember um
interviewing a number of years ago and
we have this video on our website um a
man named uh
Ambassador Andrew Kilgore, very
distinguished gentleman originally from
Alabama who was in the foreign service
for many years. He lived in um a number
of places in the Middle East and was
eventually named an ambassador. very
very patriotic American, very
intelligent man. And one of the things
that he said in our interview was that
Americans are being led to believe to
there's an effort to make Americans fear
and hate Muslims and to make Muslims
fear and hate Americans. This is divide
and conquer in an extremely I feel
diabolical
vein.
There have been a number of reports Max
I can't remember the name of his report
it's on our again on our website we have
articles that have documented the
intentional plan and how they were
carried out to demonize Americans I mean
to demonize Muslims Arabs in general but
especially Muslims to misrepresent what
they believe what they believe what
they're doing what their views are um
their views of of Christians.
Many Americans don't know that that
Muslims rever Jesus, rever Mary, the
mother of Jesus, that there's a great
deal of respect for Christians in the
Quran and among um Muslims worldwide.
Um about Iran, I I I've been in Iran a
few times and I met a man named Nada
Talabza. probably not saying his name
well, but he was a supporter of the
regime. He spoke America, he spoke
English fluently with an American accent
because he had gone to uh a school in
Iran that was
um headed by American Christians. It was
a very diverse school. He grew up even
though he he is a you know he's passed
away just not too long ago. He was a
devout devout Muslim who came back from
the United States where he was living.
He went to high school in the US. He
went to college in the US. He went back
to Iran. But as he told me he he he made
a long multi- series I think it's
something like 20 episode film about
Christianity. that's very respectful of
Jesus and of Christianity. When he grew
up in Iran going to school, he was he
learned American hymns. He grew up
singing we are climbing Jacob's ladder,
the kinds of hymns that I know. He knows
too. We had a great deal in common. But
then he was demonized by the US
government. He was putting on
conferences. I went to two of them in
which he was trying to make a bridge
between Americans and Iranians. So
Iranians would see that there are
Americans that were opposed to the
violence in the Middle East and so
Iranians would see people like what I'm
doing and that Americans would see what
what the average Iranian was like. So it
was what this wonderful effort to make a
bridge. But he was then designated, as
they called it, by the US Treasury
Department in which they say that you're
not supposed to have anything to do with
that individual or that conference. Um,
and that was the the Treasury Department
official doing that was pro-Israel. I
believe there was indications that she
was and she's still alive that she's an
Israeli citizen. And certainly
Minutuchin who is the uh secretary of
the treasury has a long history of being
pro-Israel. So again we have this
manipulation dividing Americans from
Iranians, Christians from Muslims. Um we
need to all of us need to work to
overcome that and learn what the real
facts are. Are you seeing a last
question, are you seeing a shift from
when you started to now? Are people
starting to get more informed? Are is
the tide turning? Are people getting
educated from when you started to now?
Are you seeing a difference?
I am seeing a difference. I am seeing a
difference. Many more people are
learning what's actually going on,
what's being done to Palestinians,
especi especially with social media.
But when you make the least effort, you
can see these very tragic videos of
children and of of uh what's going on in
Gaza, people are seeing those and
learning about them and spreading them
and sharing them. That's one of the
reasons there's our our social media
feed are shadowbanned. So sometimes
that's still not as fully functional as
it should be, but many people are
learning that and are speaking out and
sharing it. I think that um for a long
time the the change was grow was change
mostly occurring in the left side of the
American political spectrum among
liberals and progressives. More and more
people finally have become aware of this
issue and speaking out about it. Sadly,
conservatives then thought, well, if
progressives support for it, we're
against it. And you know, both sides do
that sort of foolish thinking against
the other side. But more even though
there were conser conservative Americans
who long were spok speaking out about
this issue actively,
accurately, positively, factually. Um,
but that the Fox News and talk radio
continued to dominate that sides of the
political spectrum. Now that's changing.
As I mentioned, we have major
influencers among conservatives that are
horrified at what's going on, are
speaking out against it, are speaking
factually against it. So that's a major
change that's occurred
just I probably mostly in the last few
months that's come out more and more.
Now, behind the scenes, many of them
maybe were already thinking that way,
but again, because the dynamics of
campaign donations, they weren't
speaking out publicly. Now, they are. I
think the fact that there's been an
effort by Israel to get us to go to war
with Iran that would be disastrous,
could could result in some sort of
nuclear exchange,
would be disastrous, would cause again
massive loss of life, massive damage to
the United States, to the world, of
course, to Iranians, to Israelis as
well. So, the fact that that's been such
an effort to get us to attack Iran, and
we've come so close to doing it, Trump
did just bomb three places, but I think
they're drawing back now. But that the
fear that that might happen again after
we saw what happened to Iraq has really
produced more people to speak out
against it, which is necessary. It's so
necessary. And it's wonderful that now
they are finally doing that. So I think
there has been a change. And I think
this is a real love for one's country.
I'm an American. I was born here. I love
my country. I'm sure you're an American.
You love your country. You don't agree
with sending money down to uh another
country that's waging war against
innocent children. when we have here
that money can be put to use to
eliminate uh all of the problems that we
have at home and we got many. So we can
we prove here um that you're a
Christian, I'm Muslim, we can come
together and talk and we can go ahead
and look past some of our differences
just like people in their own homes. You
got Democrat, Republica, Republican, but
now they live together. We're a family
of humanity. We have to live together.
we're for peace and uh that's what we
want and that's out of the love and um
thank you very much for spending some
time with me and the audience and
sharing much of this very important
information and where can people again
if they want to learn more how can they
connect with you I should I always
forget to do this here's my book I don't
know if I'm holding the right bring it
bring it for there you go right there
yeah
this is your book against our that's my
book yes and here's the um so anyway
that's the book. The website is
ifamemericansnew.org.
And when you go to the website, you'll
see that we also have a daily news blog
that's sort of an aggregation of of
articles from many sources. And that's
called Israel Palestinenews.org.
Um, but if you go to
ifamemericansnew.org,
then you can also get the link to the
daily blog that where we post many more
things on the daily blog um every day.
So those are where I hope people will
go. We actually we have a YouTube
channel that has numerous videos that I
hope people will see about the topic
about um that we've been making through
the years. Many are by us, but often we
just repost other videos that people
have made that show a variety of people
speaking about this issue and give the
facts um about the great march of
return. For example, the the nonviolent
march that Gazins did for almost two
years every week, 86 weeks in a row that
most America long before October 7th
that most Americans don't even know what
that went on and was covered up by the
US media and especially by PBS. So, I
hope people will visit our channel and
our websites. Thank you, Allison. God
bless you. Thank you again.