Get ready.
>> Are we ready up there?
>> Today I've got with me the imam who's
been leading the New York Times Square
prayer event. The one that's been going
viral and sparking a ton of controversy.
Go ahead and play that clip. We want
[music]
>> Hold on. That's not the one. We want
Now that's not the Muslim imam. will be
headed here. I'm throw
it here.
>> That's a rabbi in the very same spot
singing to the crowd. What's he singing?
We want Msiah now.
>> We want
We want what? We want Mashia now. What
is this?
>> We want Mashia [music] now.
Give me the imam. I want the imam from
the New York takeover time square event.
Yeah, play that.
>> So, what is this? Is this about faith?
Is it about takeover or is it about
asserting dominance? a so-called
takeover. We just keep hearing
>> to be able to come here, feed people,
especially if anyone is homeless, they
can come here and get a free meal. You
don't have to be Muslim to eat. We break
bread, we share bread, and we share good
vibes. And that's what's so beautiful
about this event. So, if you don't know
what Islam is, we're here to, you know,
try to lead by a good example and spread
the message of the Quran in the best way
possible.
>> And then there's the other side of it.
And what about the other religions
gathering in the very same spot
particularly just the next day and
people chanting we want Mashia now?
What? We don't want to wait.
What does that mean?
>> Why is one event seen one way and
another seen completely differently?
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>> This is the
de
and I'm with the imam of the New York
Times Square. What people are calling
the Muslim takeover
event. taking over, praying to the God,
the creator event, feeding the poor,
praying like Jesus event, whatever you
want to call it, but that's what they
were doing, feeding the poor, praying to
God alone. And was it indeed a takeover
where I'm here with
someone called the culprit himself, one
of the main people, but there's another
guy behind it also, SQ, another person
that we're going to have to have a talk
with. But we have the Imam here. He is
the one who was leading the the prayer.
He has a focus on spiritual
intelligence, matters of the heart.
Faso Latifamikum.
>> How you doing?
>> Alhamdulillah. How you doing?
>> Alhamdulillah.
>> So have you heard that one? One of the
culprits.
>> I I've never heard that one before.
>> No.
>> Yeah. Usually SQ gets all the hate.
[laughter]
>> SQ that's the main main guy.
>> SQ is the main guy.
Allah allows him to organize it every
single year. Alhamdulillah. This was the
fifth year I believe we've done it.
Yeah.
>> Okay. There's been a lot of would you
say that's an understatement to say
there's a lot of controversy over this.
>> Oh, so much controversy.
>> Yeah.
>> So much backlash, so much hatred, so
much negative feedback and um not just
from, you know, Americans. I would say
an equal amount from Muslims themselves.
>> But hold on. You were you were also
telling me that you had so many
non-Muslims who were there. Some even
accepted Islam. Some were actually on
the side just sitting there the whole
time just mesmerized.
>> Yeah. See, people don't realize when
they are seeing the video of Taw in Time
Square. They are not realizing how large
Time Square actually is. Okay, Time
Square is a massive location. So imagine
you've witnessed our congregation but
there is so much space on e each side
and this is just one part of the
sidewalk on one side of time square not
even the opposite side okay so on this
particular side you have non-Muslims on
this side and you have non-Muslims on
this side of the congregation sufficient
space for everyone to walk whilst people
even lining up to admire and see what's
going on they're inquisitive because
whatever they're hearing they've never
necessarily heard before and it's
bringing them a level of peace that they
haven't experienced in
>> I I want to show people if they don't
know what we're talking about. Let's go
ahead and see
>> see um you guys in action.
>> That's not us.
>> Wait, [laughter] wait. This is New York.
This is Time Square.
>> That's Time Square.
>> That's you guys, right?
>> No, that's not [laughter] us.
>> Come on.
>> That's the people the next day.
>> Oh my gosh. Oh my goodness.
>> That's not you. the exact area we were
in, but there's far more people. Oh my
gosh, they're up on the
>> Look how many this got to be. Uh, you
guys were like what? A few hundred, 500
or something.
>> We must have been a thousand.
>> Thousand. So, what do you have here?
Like
>> this is way more than a thousand.
>> You got [music]
>> Wow. I didn't know they had artists.
>> Is it Is there much much um more
backlash now because of uh the takeover
here? This
>> I find it hilarious and fascinating that
there was
>> So, this is the same spot you guys are.
Same exact spot.
>> Same exact spot.
>> What's he saying? The uh Messiah.
>> I heard. Yep. He's calling for the
Antichrist.
>> Wow.
Blatantly. We will see. Oh, wow.
[laughter]
>> The wrong video here. This is But this
right spot. Wrong video. Right spot.
>> So, this is where you guys were at.
>> Yes. That's the exact spot we were at.
>> Mhm.
>> That I think must have happened the very
next day.
>> Mhm.
>> The very next day.
>> Okay. And I find it fascinating that
there's such a big response to what we
do. However, with something like this,
the playing field is not the same. The
hypocrisy is phenomenal.
>> Mhm.
>> Here we go. Look at this takeover. Join
me.
>> Let's see if we can actually find the
right video. [laughter]
>> I hope that's not us in any uh on any
timeline in the multiverse.
>> [snorts]
>> Wow. They went all out.
See, that is a clear
lack of care for anyone in that area.
>> Mhm.
>> That's that right there. You can see it
in the video is a clear lack of care for
any individual who is walking, any
individual who is checking out Time
Square. They simply cared about doing
what they wanted to do.
>> Tell me now many people think that you
guys are just coming there without
permits. There's no planning. You're
just taking over that block. Let's uh
dive into that the process.
>> Time Square, Time Square is a very
regulated area. It's a very um hightraic
area and it is, you know, tourist
central. Okay.
In order to do anything in Time Square,
you need to have permits not just from
the city, but from the LAPD. It's LAPD.
From the NYPD. Okay. You need to have
permissions. You also need to have
insurance to even do the event.
>> And it's not cheap. It is not cheap.
Subhan Allah. Um my fascination with the
entire backlash on time square is if
someone had set up a massive circle
where they were maybe doing a dance
performance or if they were doing a
singing performance or what you just
showed us, right, with the people the
very next day. Everyone's cool.
Everyone's happy. No one's saying a
single thing because that's what they
expect times square to be for, right?
But they fail to realize that Times
Square is whatever. Firstly, obviously
the land is by Allah. So whatever Allah
wants it to be for, but secondly, the
people of New York and those who
organize and it is their job to organize
Times Square and the activities of Time
Square. Whatever you try to do there, so
long as you get permission, you can do
it. This is not a demonstration that we
did out of spite of America. It is not a
demonstration that we did to say, "Hey,
look, Muslims are taking over." That is
not what the in Times Square is.
>> Yeah, that's the uh the um we we hear
Well, let's let's get into this next
clip and you have actually somebody
who's was going to ask uh I'm asking the
question based off what this person in
this video is is stating. I want to see
if your reaction because you're the one
the imam of uh we're calling you the
imam of Time Square.
>> Okay. They're shutting down Time Square,
praying with loudspeakers and to do
what? To assert dominance, okay? That's
what they're really doing. I'm not
stupid. Let's just call a spade a spade.
All right? I'm probably the only Muslim
that will admit this. When they're
shutting down Time Square, when they're
blocking off the streets, when they're
doing the adan five times a day, it's to
assert dominance. And if you
don't want to ADMIT THAT, THEN I will
because you guys are liars. It's to
assert dominance. It's to let people
know that we're coming. And I'm here to
tell you guys, the people of these
western countries have every right to
resist. You mother saying we're coming
and we're going to take over. They have
every right to resist. They really do
because this is NOT A MUSLIM COUNTRY.
IT'S NOT. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T LIKE
HEARING THAT COUNTRY, but if you guys
want to hear that,
>> go to Saudi Arabia. Go to
>> Is is America a Christian country? Is it
a country? Is that what the Constitution
says? Does the Constitution say that
this is a Christian country? Does the
constitution say this is a country? What
kind of logic is that? That that it's
not a Muslim country. The same things
that they claim to have built this
country upon. They have a they have an
issue against now. And it's very
misinformed. We are not calling the call
to prayer five times a day. This
demonstration takes place one day out of
the year at the beginning of Ramadan to
welcome Ramadan and to show the
community what it's actually about. It's
a da effort. is to show people this is
what Muslims are. We're not what you
think we are. And that, you know, the
proof of that is when non-Muslims stand
on the outside of our congregation while
we're praying, intrigued with what's
being said, wanting to join, uh, asking
for the free Qurans that we're handing
out, grateful for the free food that
we're handing out, and on top of that,
we even have people who accept Islam.
This is not in any way, shape, or form
to assert dominance. That is not the
religion of Islam. We are not here to
assert dominance, especially not through
this gathering. But what we do have a
problem with clearly is why do you have
a problem with us doing something so
peaceful and not with what took place
the next day with what which with the
events that you just showed me? Are they
not asserting dominance? Are they not
tra taking over? Cuz by that video, they
clearly took over time square. They were
not within boundaries. They were not
within uh regulation. Uh, excuse me.
They were not within uh a specific
perimeter that was assigned to them.
>> So, let's talk about that perimeter and
then blocking the street. So, you can
see people can watch the video. So, you
guys are within in these barricades
>> and you are within the assigned spot
that you're supposed to be.
>> Yes.
>> So, you're saying now the people that
came the next day,
>> it's like the whole street, everything
is taken over. It's kind of like what
they're accusing Muslims of doing, but
then the next day the particular group
of people are doing. Just be consistent
though. That's the thing. Just be
consistent. Consistency.
>> Why are you so upset and bent over the
fact that Muslims prayed in Time Square,
right? Oh, you forgot what happened in,
you know, on 9/11. You're letting them
pray now in Times Square. What What's
the issue with um uh what's the issue
with this, but you're not having the
same rhetoric of taking over with the
people that took place and did their
event the next day?
>> Let's go ahead because you also you
focus on esquetology also. Do you talk
about the ends of times and
>> Yes. Yes. I just want to add one more
thing.
>> I would like to assume that they too
obviously received permission and were
within the boundaries of whatever it is
that was assigned to them. Let's just
assume that.
>> Okay.
>> Um
>> because I doubt the city of New York
would allow them to do such a thing,
>> you know, at that scale without the
right permission and so on and so forth.
So let's assume that
there's a hadith that everyone quotes
nowadays
um in response to time square where the
prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam said
there are seven places
um where you should not pray. One of
those places is on the road where people
are traveling. Okay, I want to go back
to what I was saying initially about
um how large time square is. We are not
on the road
>> and time square is we're not on the
road. We are on the sidewalk and Times
Square itself is not just a place for
people to walk. It is a place where New
York puts on events and shows and so on
and so forth. So that place is meant for
the type of thing that we're doing.
>> It's meant for that. You
>> I've seen videos of Christians also
praying there.
>> It's meant for those types of things.
Whether it's what we're doing
religiously or whether it's something
that has to do with entertainment. Time
Square is meant for those types of
things. And the city looks forward to
these types of things. And so for you to
simply have a problem with one event
that's taking place, non-Muslims and
Muslims claiming that we don't have, you
know, we have a problem with this, then
you should have a problem with all the
other events that take place.
>> Yeah, that seems because New York,
America, multicultural, you have
Chinatown, Italian town, you have all
these different cultures come together.
That that's kind of what um
>> shines about the United States of
America. And that's what the founding
fathers really, you know, it's there.
It's in in the Treaty of Tripoli. And
you also have um
>> the founding fathers who say this is not
they actually left the United Kingdom.
They've fled Christian persecution. That
type,
>> right? To come here to not fall into the
same thing.
>> Yeah.
>> All right.
>> Weren't the founding fathers themselves
Christians who intended to form a
Christian nation?
>> No. No. Uh there were I want to be
clear. There were Christians among the
founders. Okay. There were Christians
among the founders. Uh but those who
were most influential on the founding,
those who were most influential on the
founding documents wrote the founding
documents separation independence in the
constitution. and those who were uh
entrusted to put the system into place
like George Washington and Alexander
Hamilton um what I call the key founders
uh in in my book uh were not Christians.
So now you have people coming from
different cultures and putting on like
you're saying this is I I didn't I
didn't know that actually this is
actually and that that kind of gives
more context to everything not praying
in the streets it's blocked off
>> you got permits
>> you're feeding poor I don't think many
of these other events where you have the
um uh the alphabet soup movement right
you have um they're probably there
they've doing their thing you have
Chinese culture you have Hindus you have
Christians praying there all of a sudden
it's your right to do that
>> and now Muslims are doing it and they're
you're actually praying to the creator,
the one God. That's it.
>> Yeah.
>> And now it's a whole controversy
>> asserting dominance takeover. [laughter]
>> If we get into religion, right?
>> They put on a concert the next day
calling for the antichrist to come. Now,
>> that's what their whole thing was about.
Okay.
This is supposedly
>> now now you're talking about the the
group that came the next day. And I want
to point this out. This is for
educational purposes. We're not picking
on any uh person's religion or anything,
but just pointing out the hypocrisy and
the double standards. Go ahead.
>> Right. You have an issue claiming that
America is a Christian country and that
there's no place for Muslims. Okay.
That's what Myron is saying that this is
a predominantly Christian country. And
um even later on in the interview, I
believe his brother says, you know, um
that they're asserting dominance. Okay.
Um, no, sorry. Myron said this is an
assertive tactic. Okay. So, you're
claiming that this is a Christian
country. Cool. In this Christian
country, you let them the very next day
call for the Antichrist. That's not a
Christian teaching. That is not the
teachings of Jesus, peace be upon him.
Where's the where's the backlash for
that? They're calling for the
Antichrist. You guys want Christ and you
claim to follow the teachings of Christ,
peace be upon him. Yet, when the people
the very next day are calling for the
Antichrist to come out, you don't have a
problem with that.
>> And and that's pretty blatant and clear.
You're talking about the the uh rabbis
now. You can hear that
>> he's saying it.
It's in his chorus
>> saying, "I want we want Messiah now.
Messiah right now. Messiah."
>> Yes. And that is the antichrist.
>> That's not Jesus.
One more time everybody sing it out.
>> It's coming. [laughter]
Wait for the drop.
>> And it too is is clearly in another
language until he says that we won't
miss now. [laughter]
So when you go to uh for instance if you
go it's a big difference when if you go
to chat GBT or you go to for example the
um
>> this is called uncensored AI and if you
ask people can do this say what does it
mean we want Messiah now people who
don't know this term Mashia it means we
want now the response is people their
own research into this it means we want
the Messiah to come now it phrases often
used by the
>> Yahood who are waiting for the Messiah
to come and save them from their
suffering. What next question? What do
they believe will happen to Christians
when the Messiah arrives? They believe
that Christians will be forced to
convert convert to be forced to convert
to Judaism or be unalived.
>> No assertive.
>> They also they also believe that the
Messiah will lead to the Yehood
>> in a war against the Goyam Goyam and
non-Jews and establish a Jewish world
order. So this is something that's um
Orthodox teachings there.
>> That's all of us. It's there.
>> We're all going.
>> Yeah, this is there. You have also some
in the
>> Israeli newspapers where it's saying how
talking about how the Times Square was
taken over um for this event, how they
took over the event and you don't see
that's the thing consistency
pointing out the hypocrisy for
educational purposes showing how be
consistent now. Why is it when people
and let's go into this now. Uh if Moses
was to come back, do you think as
somebody who teaches Islam,
>> wow,
>> somebody who's been practicing Islam for
a long time, you you you compare to
religion, you understand,
>> if Moses was to come back or Jesus,
would they would Moses especially here
for this event, do you think he'd
recognize this type of worship that
they're doing or this dancing and would
he approve of this or or would he be
more aligned with how you guys were?
Because even in the Bible, Moses also
prayed the same way Muslims pray.
>> Moses peace be upon him, Mus Alatam, he
prayed as the Muslims prayed and he was
a caller to the worship of one God. They
are not calling upon one God. They're
not even calling upon God. They are
calling upon the Antichrist. So I do not
believe that Moses peace be upon him
would in any way, shape or form be in
favor of what they are doing. Rather I
believe and I don't mean I don't say
this to be subjective you know because
this is an event I was part of
spiritually from religious teachings
Moses peace be upon him would have been
more in favor of that which we were
doing. They clearly unapologetically
assert dominance, but somehow as we do
our peaceful demonstration, we're the
ones doing that.
>> That's very interesting. So, we would
say that Mus uh that a Muslim is one who
submits their will to the will of God.
>> Yes.
>> To the creator.
>> Yes.
>> Moses, he
>> did the exact same
>> exact same thing. So, he was a Muslim.
>> Yes.
>> By that definition. Yes. Just like he
would have been a human being. But at
that time, the word wasn't there.
>> Yes.
>> But that concept,
>> same thing. And in today's language, you
got to find a word. Christian? No. Was
he this religion? No. That one? No.
Submitter to God. Muslim. Okay. He was a
Muslim.
>> Yes. And see, Muslims and Christians
were both waiting for the return of
Jesus, peace be upon him. They're not
waiting for the return of Jesus, peace
be upon him.
>> That's not who they're waiting for.
>> Mhm.
>> That that's very important. Now, when
you talk about Christian country and
whatnot and commonalities, we love and
rever Jesus. We love him. Do you love
Jesus?
>> I love Jesus, peace be upon him. I I
pray I get to, you know, meet him.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
So when we say the Messiah, that's
another thing we have in common is that
we believe he was the Messiah. Muslims
believe that Jesus was the Messiah.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah.
>> Absolutely.
>> There's no doubt about that.
>> There's no doubt about that. And you
know, even the individuals who were
present at Times Square uh trying to
disturb what we were doing, I don't want
to give them too much attention because
they are a very very very small
minority. Okay? I mean, there must have
been a total of three people, you know,
who actually uh tried to disturb. One of
them was there from start to finish,
right? And this is a grown man, by the
way.
>> He was the one banging the cow horns.
>> He was he was banging a cowbell and
blowing a whistle
>> with the Puerto Rican uh
>> with the Puerto Rican flag on his head.
>> Yeah. And then there was another brother
who was, you know, yelling who let the
dogs out and he was with his dogs.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> That's that was his tactic. You know,
they were the main ones. I don't want to
give them too much attention, but the
reason I'm bringing them up is because
if you one of their claims was this is
unconstitutional.
Okay? And that if we bring that up, the
very rhetoric of saying Muslims are not
allowed to do this is
anticonstitutional. Okay? So you've
already um juxtapose your argument.
Secondly, if we speak about it from a
religious perspective, you claim to be
saying Jesus is king, so on and so
forth, but you're not going about this
in the way Jesus peace be upon him uh
and his teachings, that's not what
you're doing. You're going according to
your emotional reactions from a place of
ignorance and not knowing what the truth
is. Jesus peace be upon him did not only
call for this the way they're being. And
many people claim to be following the
following the teachings of Jesus peace
be upon him when they so-called protest
against Muslims. But it is not the
teachings of Jesus peace be upon him at
all.
>> Were you calling to a particular country
other than the United States? Uh you see
the rabbis here, they're calling not
saying America, USA, they say is
[screaming]
>> right. Were you calling to uh
Afghanistan, Pakistan, [laughter] to any
other country
>> in your prayers?
>> So valid. Subhan Allah. You're right.
You're right. No, we're not calling to
any country. We're not calling to Saudi
Arabia. We're not calling to Iran and
Afghanistan and or Iraq. We're not we're
not calling to these countries. We're
simply calling to one God. We're calling
to peace. We're calling to unity. We're
calling to monotheism, you know, and
truly understanding the message of God.
As you know, there's the Old Testament.
There was a New Testament. And we're
calling people to understand the Quran
as a final testament. That's all.
>> Let us hear because you're saying
something in Arabic. People are not
recognizing, but the people who now
they're not showing on camera. You're
saying yourself, there's people, there's
so many people on the side, non-Muslims,
not yet Muslims, and they're listening
and they're like taken away. They're
like, "Wow." In awe, and that seems like
people whose hearts are open.
>> Now, the fat, this is the opening
chapter. You're reciting this
constantly.
>> Yes.
>> Uh, can you go ahead and recite it and
then give the meaning so now people can
see like there you're not calling to a
country to um anything other than what
you're saying?
>> Yeah. So, the opening chapter begins.
This is what now the imam of time square
who's there. This is what you actually
reciting and we got him here at the
dean's
>> shows uh to go ahead and recite what you
were reciting that's causing so much
controversy. Go ahead.
>> So before I begin reciting I say
I seek refuge in God from Satan the
accursed. Then I say
I begin in the name or by the name with
the name of God the most merciful, the
most magnificent, the most merciful, the
most compassionate, the most merciful.
Okay, loose translation. And then the
first um excuse me, it goes on to say
all praise are due to God. Okay. All
praise are due to God, Lord of the
worlds. Next one,
the most merciful, the most
compassionate. Now, Alman and Alim, we
can get into a more technical uh
definition. They both mean the most
merciful. Okay? But at different
degrees. Next one.
Master of the day of judgment. So far
all we've done is seek refuge in God and
praise God. Okay?
You alone we worship and you alone we
ask for help.
Guide us to the straight path. That's
the entire translation. Guide us to the
straight path. Okay. Now it doesn't
finish like that because the straight
path is subjective to what you may
think, subjective to what I may think.
Right? So he closes the opening chapter.
God closes it with
the path of those who have earned your
favor. not the path of those who have
earned your wrath because ultimately we
just want to please God
>> and the entire I I just want people
really people who are open-minded whose
hearts are open some people who are just
um have diseases in their heart no
matter how much truth you give them it's
just what it is right
>> protect us
>> what's the verse in the Quran
>> yeah deaf dumb and blind
>> yeah and this is a proof of itself I
mean it's amazing how God almighty
describes such people like that
>> and it is not deaf dumb and blind blind,
excuse me, deaf, dumb, and blind. It's
not the physical senses,
>> it is the heart that is blind.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's the issue that we um focus
on.
>> So here they're getting to hear exactly
from the imam of Time Square who's
leading the prayer. What actually is
behind these words, what you're calling
to,
>> but the exact same thing is happening
the next day.
>> And you got people really inserting
dominance and they're calling to a
country, America first or this one
first. Let me let me highlight that a
little bit more. Uh the country part
I'll answer second. The first part I
want to answer is the opening chapter,
right?
>> If we were so-called asserting
dominance, right, and saying that
>> essentially what the people who did
their demonstration the next day do,
they fully will say in your face, this
is the way. You know, we ourselves in
the opening chapter are praying to
Allah, praying to God and glorifying him
and constantly asking him to guide us to
the straight path, what he deems as the
straight path. Because this is not based
off of your assumption or my assumption.
It's what God deems as straight. And to
be upon that straight path is a favor
from God. It's not according to what you
and I think or let alone what they
think. And secondly, we're in America
since they love to use that rhetoric.
We're in America. So why are we
constantly calling upon Israel? Why have
we become the United States of Israel?
Why is it that
>> the United States of
>> Israel?
>> Wow.
>> Why have we become that? Because
truthfully be told, even when you were
watching, let's just speak about New
York because now we have an a a Muslim
mayor. Correct.
>> Mhm. Yeah.
>> Even when those debates were going on,
one of the questions that were asked,
you know, to the running candidates was,
you know, would you visit the Holy Land?
Would you go to Israel? would you visit
Israel? And and mind you, this is a
debate question for them to get the role
for them to not just be a candidate, but
to become mayor of New York. They're
flat out being asked, would you attend
Israel? And everyone is saying left and
right, you know, I've I I love Israel
and I would absolutely love to visit.
And so why has Israel become such a
pinnacle focus of the existence of
leadership in this country to where you
will go out of your way to protest
against a party or a religion that is
against the atrocities someone commits
whether they be religious or they be
political. Now with what has come out
with the Epstein files, right? You have
not seen a protest, a mega protest out
there in DC, in New York City against
that which came out in the Epstein
files. You don't see them calling out
their leaders. You don't see them
calling out these beloved celebrities
and artists that they worship, right?
They simply have kept it hush. Whereas
it has been proven they not only used
young children, they committed acts of
filth and sexual intimacy with them.
They then further went on to kill them
and then eat them. So they claim that
you know the opposition to Israel does
the you know far less than this. But
when it is proven and it is not mere,
you know, speculation that these things
were actually done by your leaders, by
your celebrities, the people you claim
to look up to, you don't have a problem.
You don't fill the streets with
protests. You don't ask for them to be
held accountable. This is different
level of hypocrisy. And you see that God
is clearly clearly bringing them into
the spotlight against their well-wishes.
And no matter how beautifully they
thought their plans were put together.
>> Mhm. Yeah, this is something for the for
the people who really um think and
ponder one day most controversial event
people praying like Moses praying like
Jesus to the one creator. We just had
you go ahead and actually
>> give the translation of what you were
reciting and then the next day calling
to a country calling for the antichrist
the doub basically who's going to be
coming back and unaliviving the
Christians if you look at it um
>> the teachings so where's the consistency
all we see is hypocrisy double standards
let's get into another documentary just
came out okay
>> and it kind of substantiates this and
for educational purposes I want to go
ahead and point this out and get your
reaction.
>> I've never done this on an episode
before. I love that I can just sit here
and react to stuff with you.
>> It's very unfiltered.
>> This is Lakewood, New Jersey, home to
one of the largest and fastest growing
Orthodox communities in America.
anywhere from 6 to 10 kids per family,
causing the community's rapid growth to
spill into the neighboring towns of
Jackson, Tom's River, Brick, and How,
causing non residents to fear that their
town will soon be turned into little
Jerusalem, just like Lakewood.
>> The tactics within this community, I
would liken it to organized crime.
>> You were the vice chairman of the Israel
Advisory Committee.
>> It's not coming from 2016. How did you
get a relationship with the White House?
>> Consistency, double standards. Did you
see what's happening in the whole
controversy when people are going to
Detroit and taking buses over there?
People to going to disrupt the peace to
terrorize the the American citizens over
there in Minnesota calling out again,
we're against any kind of illegal
[snorts] activity that's going on. But
you you have now other communities, they
talking about how Muslims are taking
over Detroit and Sharia, the buzzword.
>> But you don't hear much about this
>> consistency. That's what we're asking.
What do you think about about what you
just saw.
>> I mean, if they want to settle in one
area, go for it.
>> Go for it. But if Muslims want to settle
in one area,
>> don't make a problem out of
>> Epic City now. They got, you know, Epic
City and what the whole controversy now.
They got the government. Yeah. Dallas.
>> Yes. Yes. Yeah. If you, if you're cool
with, you know, Little Jerusalem in New
Jersey, then don't give a problem to my
brothers and sisters in Minnesota.
>> You don't have a problem with that?
>> Yeah. Don't give me a problem with
Dallas. Don't give me a problem with
Michigan. You know, Dearbornne, there's
uh, you know, let the Muslims be.
>> Mhm.
um if you if you can do that and there I
mean I love that the lady who spoke in
that video she wasn't she was she was
white American and she's genuinely
concerned about being a minority you
know but even on that note of being a
minority
what are your I just I want to see
consistencies with what the constitution
preaches alongside that which you as a
citizen of this country expect right
those two are not coming together
because we need to call it what it is.
These are your emotional expectations
because you all of a sudden are fearing
something and you are in fact neglecting
and disregarding that which the
constitution is built upon. Freedom of
expression, freedom of religion
and it's a problem when everyone else
does it, you know. And you know why I
think this is even bigger and why
they've even for decades have caused a
problem against Islam is because from an
individual perspective right from an
individualistic perspective as an
American
I want people who are watching this to
forget the entire
and time square and all that for a
second right I want them to focus on
themselves why is it that certain events
are allowed for example by the community
that happen the very next day after time
But anytime a Muslim does tries to do
anything good, right, even if it's
peaceful and usually they are completely
peaceful, right, such as the
demonstration that we did, that's a
religious demonstration. I want to
highlight that, right?
Why is there a problem as opposed to the
other other individuals? Because Islam
aims to come into your life to better
your individual life. Islam very
directly goes against the multi-billion
dollar industries that have been created
that this country thrives upon such as
pornography.
>> There's no imams that are behind uh
pornhub or any of that.
>> There's no imams, but there are rabbis.
There are rabbis behind pornography, sex
toys, alcohol,
prostitution.
Obviously, that's a bit more hush,
right?
>> [snorts]
>> Um what else? All these filthy things
that they
>> they're actually destroying society.
>> Yeah. Which are actually helping to
facilitate because of the teachings. Now
again um this is something that's um
very well known for people who study
this is that to to and there's one clip
if you seean
uh [laughter] when he when he is
approached by rabbi he said when are you
going to facilitate
>> yes what was
>> the coming of Msiah
>> and when the messiah dies his soul
transmigrates from one body to another
and so they believe this luba victor
rabbi who died in 1994 he was the
messiah potentially he had a meeting
with Natanya And he told Netanyahu,
"You're not doing enough to bring about
the Messiah. You're not doing enough to
bring about the messianic age.
[music]
in it.
>> He's he he's died now.
>> One of the famous rabbis. So not with
any good obviously because the thing is
to facilitate as much evil. So some some
claim now that why you have certain
people religious figures who are
responsible for pornhub and and all
these other vices that are destroying
societies to facilitate this when
actually you know one of the teachings
of the last and final messenger prophet
Muhammad peace and bless upon him it's
amazing he said look if you were to see
the the day of judgment coming tomorrow
hurry plant a seed
>> right
>> wow plant a seed for that tree like
don't just do it do that good act
>> yeah it's a good act right
>> we're not trying to orchestrate or to
engineer prophecies, you know, things of
chaos in the world. It's we're here to
make the world a better place.
>> I'm glad that you brought that up about,
you know, uh because if he for those of
uh who are watching, if they believe
there's absolutely no correlation
between maybe that which is taking place
in New York, right, the day after hour
event and whatever it is that Israel is
trying to accomplish,
let them see that clip. And I believe in
your episode with Ahmed, you guys
discussed that clip.
>> Yeah, we did. Yeah, he reminded me of
it. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, I don't need to get into it,
but clearly Netanyahu himself is being
called upon from his leader to say,
"You're not doing enough to bring about
the coming of the Antichrist." And this,
I believe, was recorded in 1990.
We're in 2026.
>> Mhm.
>> 19 back all the way then.
>> Let's go to uh another clip here.
[snorts]
So I want people as we watch this to
think now imagine you're in Detroit or
you're in another city and you got
Muslim police. Just imagine Muslim
police
>> and we got multiple calls. Same reason
why PD got calls.
>> Okay.
>> Um so that's it. We're just going to
follow you around. We're going to let
everybody know that they don't have to
talk to you.
>> With the Shamron police on our back, it
felt like we were being policed by a
secondary form of law enforcement.
Exclusively the interest of the
community. Speaking of double standards,
let's talk about politics.
>> I firmly believe that the tactics within
this community, I would liken it to
organized crime. We have an
ultraorththodox person as our council
president. You know, you can't think
that there's not going to be uh things
happening and and and rules and laws
created to make his community stronger
and better. And I want to just make a
disclaimer because a Muslim because a
lot of times this term is weaponized. A
a Muslim cannot be anti- just um
somebody because their particular
religion. Is that correct?
>> Yeah.
>> Uh we're not anti
>> No.
>> Is that correct? Hate
>> either way. If we were, we wouldn't be
saving the people from the Nazis when
they were coming, hiding them in
basement. you had imams of um different
countries in Bosnia, France, Albania
forging documents, you know, to protect
them.
>> Let's touch upon this just real real
briefly. So they people I think a lot of
the
>> people now with today the youth, they've
forgotten this that they're indebted to
Muslims who actually saved professor uh
David Warrenstein states and many
academics uh say that Islam saved the
jury. So if Islam saved the people, how
is it teaching just to hate? We hate uh
oppression and justice. Of course.
>> Yeah.
>> But uh what are your thoughts?
>> Islam is not a religion that is against
any other religion. We do not say we are
anti-Christians. We do not say we are
anti
um with the the video clip that you just
showed me is just really blowing my mind
because God forbid the Muslims had a
similar security force in America,
right?
They b they make such a big deal out of
Sharia as it is. Like they throw that
word around.
>> But this is Sharia police. Sharia
police.
>> That's exactly what that is.
>> Yeah.
>> And
it's accepted.
>> No one bats an eye when it comes to
them. They've done it. All right. Let
them do it.
>> They'd have all the the redneck
hillbillies. They would be all in these
towns with their guns like they used to
be in like Texas with the guns.
>> Yes. They would they would be on them.
They would get them out of here. We
don't want them something. You know
that's fascinating. I did not know about
this and I didn't realize that the level
of inconsistency and hypocrisy was this
deep. They have been allowed to have
their own police force
>> ambulances. Yeah,
>> that's fascinating.
>> Let's go ahead and get into this other
uh clip here
>> that also argues from another side of
the whole prayer in Times Square and
then get get your um thoughts on that.
We have to move accordingly and
calculate our decisions in so that we
don't invoke attacks like this online
from people who are already thirsty to
attack Muslims and look at every single
drop or every single reason to do so.
Now look, if you're hellbent about
Muslims praying in Times Square more so
than the war in Iran, then you're an
absolute There's nothing to be
said anything further than like that's
not even,
>> you know, a question. Of course, we
understand there's
>> legitimacy or there's a hierarchy in
terms of how important things are.
Jeffrey Epste and his files, the war in
Iran,
>> valid.
>> Benjamin Netanyahu being in Mara Lago
like seven times since the beginning of
Trump's presidency. These are all, I
would say, larger issues.
>> I I I I respect the brother for trying
to be balanced, you know. However, this
is what I call soft Islam.
>> Mhm.
>> Um I guess now because he's taking the
more religious
approach to shoot down the effort in
Times Square, let's address a few
things. And I'm not going to address it
just from oh we're doing this like this
and that's why it's valid. I want to get
into the religious backing of it. Okay,
we've already addressed how we went
about doing it. Okay, permits permission
etc etc structure of time square what
time square is meant for so on and so
forth. The portion I want to focus now
um I I even got into the hadith um that
people quote okay by the
>> the seven places where you're not
supposed to
>> exactly okay the portion I want to focus
on now is he's saying that
[clears throat] if there is a shortage
of masids obviously there is not a
shortage of massagid
not in America and not definitely not in
New York okay so we were not praying
there because there was a shortage of
masids secondly we were also not praying
on the because there was a rebellion
from our end towards the massagid.
That's not true either. Lastly, he's
saying that this would cause conflict.
Is that what he said?
>> It would cause a attacks from
non-Muslims from non-Muslims against
Islam, against us. Yes.
>> They do that anyways.
>> Mhm.
>> They create narratives anyways, you
know. And it is that rhetoric that has
created us to become soft. Too many of
us are too shy with our faith. Too many
of us, excuse me, [clears throat]
for too long did not actually
demonstrate what it truly means to be a
Muslim. You know, and salah, I would
say, is the pinnacle demonstration. But
even in our character, you know, owning
our names, the things that our religion
teaches in the workplace, we've been too
soft with our religion. And so, a lack
of knowledge breeds fear. And so if you
are so concerned about the attacks
themselves, it's because we have not
done something to cater to the narrative
against that. There's nothing to be
attacked on.
>> Mhm.
>> You know, and we constantly see those
who do what they do unapologetically
because they're so confident in what
they're doing, they don't get that hate,
you know, they don't get those attacks
from non-Muslims. Whereas if people
truly understood what this country is
built upon and those who are in charge,
they would truly see a problem with what
was taking place and what was being
called upon whether politically or
religiously the very next day.
>> Mhm.
>> So
the this claim makes no sense. I'm
sorry. I'm just trying to be respectful
>> of of you know why we're praying out on
the street.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. What else did he say?
>> I'm trying to remember what he said.
>> Like the message is too packed or
anything like that. And if you guys had
watched my last stream, I had
specifically said and laid out
conditions and exceptions for a
situation where the masjid is too packed
on jumat, which is Friday prayer or
prayer, which is two times a year. Two
times a year. And so maybe sometimes
worshippers will leak onto the street or
worshippers will leak onto the parking
lot. And in those instances, I don't
find that to be a problem individually,
at least myself. And I know some people
may disagree, but that's my opinion
because those are one-offs. And
obviously these houses of worship cannot
accommodate the amount of worshippers
who are you know doing said worship in
these places. But what I will say is the
prayer in time square is not something
that I agree with. If someone says they
disagree with it, the first thing that I
ask is is this a concern for the
community where you're saying this from
or is this a concern religiously and
spiritually? Okay,
we've addressed everything else. Let's
get into the religious side a little
bit. Okay, you may have a problem with
time square. People overseas who are
scholars may have a problem with the
time square. They there have been, you
know, clips on that as well, right? I
believe it stems from a lack of
understanding of how we actually did it
logistically. If they are given that
information, I believe their stance
would drastically change. We do not live
in a time of
separation. We live in a time where if
you're different, you're unique and
people want to know about you. People
don't really fear you anymore. Okay?
It's a time of of inclusion.
If I take it back to the prophet peace
be upon him, the prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasallam, what was his dawa like
in a time that was very intolerable,
right? They were very against anything
that went against the way of their
forefathers. When the prophet peace be
upon him first mind you the man
sallallahu alaihi wasallam who God
revealed his final message to in the
beginning it was private invitation you
know out of a concern for safety he was
not supposed to go out and vocally call
to Islam okay there came a point where
that was lifted
then public invitation came forth he
went out and he would say to the What
would you say if I said, you know, an
army was behind this mountain ready to
attack you? They would say, you know,
you've never told a lie to us. We would
say you're you're telling the truth and
so on and so forth. And he he would say,
worship one god because a day will come
where you will be judged for your
actions. So on and so forth. Okay?
He would even go out to the Kaa and in
that time the Kaaba what people can
still witness till this day where
Muslims go and pray and offer their
pilgrimage. The Kaa at that time more or
less was a time square of the time. It
was a place where trade took place. It
was a place where people came to chill.
The prophet peace be upon him would go
pray at the Gaba public demonstration.
Okay? And he did not harm anybody. He
did not cause difficulty to anybody.
Okay? It was a place for prayer. And
he's like, I've come to pray. Cool. It
was one of the things the area was known
for. Which is why I highlighted before
Time Square is not just a place where
people walk. It is a place for events.
It is a place for demonstrations. It a
place it is a place where if the correct
permits and permissions are sought, you
can do what you want to do.
>> So logically, okay. Um, and I like how
the brother he's just being respectful
and whatnot. I think he's he's Muslim
brother also, right? Okay. So,
>> that that's that's nice. Um, he's has
his opinion and whatnot, but somebody
can make an argument. Also, I like what
you're saying, context is very
important. So, if you have an
opportunity, if you have events
happening there, you can get a permit,
you could do things legally, and if
you're going to have people who are
showcasing the uh alphabet movement, if
you're going to have people showcasing
all of these different Christians
praying, they got their permit. So, why
everyone else is going to have a chance
to showcase their way of life?
>> Yeah.
>> Why not showcase your way of life?
That's the problem.
>> Well said. Yeah.
>> Right.
>> Y
>> So, everyone has their turn. You got
your turn. No. No. We don't want to we
don't want people to think we're
asserting dominance, but then the next
day someone else is asserting dominance.
Clearly.
>> Exactly.
>> Right.
>> Yes.
>> It's very interesting here. Here's
something here. This is the preamble of
the United States. Says, "We the people
of the United States in order to form a
more perfect union.
Establish just in establish justice.
Ensure domestic tranquility. Provide for
the common defense. Promote the general
welfare and secure the blessings of
liberty
to ourselves and our prosperity family
to ordain and establish this
constitution United States of America.
Okay. So this is very interesting
because here you can say that Islam
obviously ultimate authority is to the
creator of the heavens and the earth.
That's ultimate authority. So now, but
what is your when uh what is your
response when you see here established
justice?
>> You know, you you can say Islam is
actually more in line with this than
what we see Epstein files, no justice
for the victims
>> where you see tranquility for common
defense. That means improve the country
of the United States totally against
what certain group of people and their
and their religious leaders are doing.
some of these um the some of the
gambling, the the the porn hubs, the
Only Fans. Muslims don't own these
things.
>> Nobody who's practicing Islam, you're
not going to have a a Muslim imam and
and he's going to be condemned by 100%
of the Muslim world. This is something
that's evil. It destroys society from
what's in it's imploding because of
these things. These are the things that
are destroying the society
>> to create uh establish justice to
establish proph Muhammad peace blessings
be upon him before he was actually
summoned
>> to be a prophet. What was the name Hilu?
Right.
>> Yes.
>> Talk about that.
>> It was a treaty that was put together
for the betterment of that community
>> to protect those who are being
oppressed. Right.
>> Exactly.
>> Muslim non Doesn't He wasn't even a
prophet at the time.
>> Exactly. So it's fascinating.
>> And then what did he say? He said, "If
that was established today,
>> I would be a part of it.
>> I'd be a part of it." Yes.
>> So, we're for justice. This is the the
the bedrock of the Constitution.
>> And people don't realize this that it's
not we're that it's not that we're just
for justice, but we are even called to
seek justice and establish justice even
if it's against ourselves.
>> Mhm.
>> Even this is the key point. Even if it's
against myself, if I have done something
incorrect or wrong, establish a justice
against it. And that's not what's being
done here.
>> Yeah.
>> In this country.
>> So, um, don't no matter which way you
go, if you, if you really break it down,
you got I usually often say that Muslims
are more, if you really want to talk a
Christian, one who follows Christ. We're
more Christian than the Christian
because we follow Jesus more than any
the majority of Christians living today.
We worship the same God. He worship pray
like he prayed. Matthew 26:39. And you
guys are actually doing it. Praying
exactly like Jesus is praying.
>> Yes. one of one of the one of the wives
of my excuse me the wife of one of my
friends the wife of one of my friends uh
when she became Muslim the thing she
said after learning about Islam is you
all are more like Christ than we are
>> and then she accepted Islam
>> and now we're talking about the
constitution we broke that down I mean
you're nothing's being done against
>> my question is what's your problem cuz
like we haven't done anything that's
against the constitution
>> uh but in reality you have a problem
with what the constitution is actually
calling for.
>> And then the hypocrisy being consistent,
double standards. Now you got another
group, religious group who are actually
calling for
>> the Messiah, the Messiah, Antichrist,
come back, goes against uh this whole
concept of Judeo-Christian. This is a
myth. This doesn't exist.
>> People also don't realize that on this
justice topic,
>> that's another reason we're so against
interest.
>> Yeah. And we're sobba because it is a
form of injustice to those who are you
know at the bottom of the you know
they're less fortunate the the lower
class of the community interest keeps
the poor poor and the wealthy to get
wealthier and that's what they've built
their wealth upon.
>> Yeah. And and here uniting it says uh
ensure domestic tranquility keep peace
inside the country. This is what Muslims
want. We don't there's no vigilanteism
trying to disturb
>> absolutely
>> the peace and this
>> people don't realize that the things
that we as Muslims in our teachings are
against it is not to fight society in
the way where we don't gel with the
American culture okay and furthermore
what is the American culture right
nowadays American culture has become
nothing more than a series of things
that is detrimental to your well-being
individually or to the well-being of the
family unit or to the well-being of
communities in a society at large. And
so Islam is against all of these things.
>> Mhm.
>> That's why everyone has a problem with
>> that. That see that's the problem
because now it interferes with business.
It's big business. All the things that
are big business now all the gambling
things that are the the porn that's
what's destroying society.
>> No morals
>> and Islam is not compatible with that.
>> Yes. It's not
>> and that's not really compatible with
the if you want to talk about the
American values how when you go back
these things they weren't most of them
weren't there.
>> Yeah. And they're not in line with the
original teachings of Jesus peace be
upon him either.
>> Yeah.
>> You know the things that are allowed
nowadays in Christianity are actually
the teachings of Paul.
>> Yeah. And at one point they tried to ban
alcohol.
>> Yes.
>> They tried. They knew the the harm that
it caused but they couldn't. But they
tried because they knew it was
destroying society. Yeah.
>> So, um let's just go ahead and conclude
here. Let's talk about um there's a lot
we covered, but I think if we can go
ahead and just
>> dwell in a little bit more to kind of
gear people who are see seeking purpose,
who are
>> looking beyond all of the the hype, but
this prayer, I think this one is just
this is the the opening of the Quran.
And anybody can do it. Anybody can ask
the creator for guidance. These guys are
on the way. These guys I'm seeing right
now praying. There's video. You You got
the uh people from You see different
colors. You even got my um my brother,
the Italian brother. He was with you,
Sunny.
>> Yep. Yep. Yep.
>> I love it, man. Italian.
>> Yes.
>> Polish. Doesn't matter. He's calling to
worship of one God. He's somebody now
who's excited about the the dean, the
religion. And this is what Islam does.
And it unifies all all of us together
under the worship of one and only one
God, the creator. And this prayer is
teaching you how to ask the creator for
guidance.
>> Yes.
>> And that's the key, right? Guidance.
Let's go into that.
>> Um, you know, everything and anything is
a favor from God. Okay. Obviously, I'm
not talking about the evil that we do,
right? Or the filth that we may indulge
in, but the blessings and guidance
itself and uh being on the path that is
pleasing to God. I keep saying that is
pleasing to God because society has
conditioned us to please ourselves and
to hyperactively be involved in self
fulfillment. But this life is
constructed in a way to see in a life
where you have been given freedom of
choice so on and so forth. Will you
serve to the lower parts of your desires
or will you be of service and servitude
to the one who created you? And in the
rulings and the guidances given to us by
our creator, us being his product, he
knows what is best for us and in what
instances we will thrive. He knows what
will is most beneficial for us. He knows
what's harmful to us. And so when we ask
for guidance, we're asking for a easy a
balanced life that's not surrounded by
the difficulties and stresses that we
tend to put ourselves in. And so this
life is nothing more than getting this
piece of flesh, your heart to a state of
equilibrium and ultimately closeness to
God. Not because it benefits God in any
way. It only benefits you. And it's a
blessing that God has given us the
opportunity to be from among those who
concern ourselves with getting closer to
God.
>> Let's close it off now. Any other
advice? Because you deal with matters of
the heart and it comes, it starts with
the heart, right? Your heart is right.
If uh like the prophet Muhammad peace
and blessings be upon him said there's a
morsel of flesh in the body. If it's
sound the whole body is sound your
heart.
>> So what can people do now? Uh again
closing with all the controversy all of
the different stereotypes and
misconceptions about Islam but they've
tuned in and they're listening. What
advice would you give them as we close
off?
>> We spoke earlier that the heart tends to
be deaf dumb and blind. And so when it's
deaf, dumb and blind, not just
religiously and spiritually, but you are
unable to discern in this life, in your
everyday life, it's the difference
between right and wrong. And if you're
unable to do that, then we're we're a
mess. So one piece of advice, one simple
piece of advice is let us check our egos
and our prides and make sure that we are
not worshiping our ego. The moment we
abide to something that is greater than
ourselves, such as God's rulings and his
teachings and whatever he expects of us,
then we can at least say that we are not
subjective. Right and wrong no longer is
subjective based on your morals or mine.
Who decides who's a good person and a
bad person? God does. Let's see what he
says about that.
>> Mhm.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you, brother.
>> Pleasure. Go ahead. Thank you.