and contined to be a crime until modern
times when as we said the principle of
consenting adults became the Discerning
principle for what is acceptable in sex
human sexual
relations as long as people were
consenting and they're adults then it's
okay rape is out child sex is out
consenting adults whatever they do it's
their
business Society has no right to
interfere so homosexuals held this is
also the case and in defense of their
position they argued because people
commonly argue this was unnatural they
argued that it isn't
unnatural and they went around the world
trying to find you know examples of some
uh in nature of some uh insects or
fishes or whatever that displayed what
may be
described as homosexual type behavior
and sure enough they found some fishes
someplace off the coast of Japan exotic
kind of tropical type fishes that um the
male does after meeting with a female
will take on some of the characteristics
of the female to discourage other males
from mating with his female this is
practice that they some fishes do but
this it they said okay here see this
male fish is trying to act like a female
you know here's homosexuality in the
animal
kingdom and they found some butterflies
someplace off the coast of South America
which exhibit some kind of behavior they
say hey this butterflies acting like the
female butterflies do you know why they
do that God only knows but they say here
it is another example of it so it must
be
okay but of course this kind of argument
I mean this is fine where one believes
we're just
animals you know and we can judge our
behavior on the basis of what animals do
but if we look at ourselves as being
more than animals as being higher than
the animals yes there's an animal aspect
to ourselves but we have choices the
ability to make choices etc etc you know
we are not to be looked at just merely
as
animals then this kind of argument
really doesn't hold water furthermore if
we are to accept this as a basis for
human behavior then what do we do about
the black widow spider you know black
widow spider after it after it madees it
kills the husband you have the praying
mantises will do the same you have other
spiders Etc you know they finish the
female when she finishes mating eats the
husband so this is now okay for a woman
when she gets pregnant to go kill her
husband we're going to use that as basis
for that kind of behavior and say it's
not it's natural it's there in nature so
it's okay to go and do it you know so
this kind of um argument really is
valicious it really doesn't have any
sound basis now back in the
80s uh another argument developed which
was that uh there was a gland in the
base of the brain which they
claimed which is small in the case of
males or females and large in the case
of males and in the case of homosexuals
it was smaller than that of males though
larger than that of females it seemed to
have changed it was of a different shape
so they argued hey here's proof
biological proof that homosexuals have a
different makeup so it means that
they're homosexual not
by Society learning these practices from
society but by natural inclination so it
should not be considered a crime however
we have to look at the the the realities
of these studies the study was based on
on whom dead people dead adults they cut
open Dead brains dead people's brains
and they looked at this who is to say
that the child was born that
way who's to say this there's no
evidence for this that this decrease in
the size of that gland or whatever was a
result of the activity and not the cause
of that activity who's to say that so
this kind of argument you know again
didn't hold doesn't really hold water
however in the '90s a new argument
developed and that was that it was
biological a researcher by the name of
Dean HR Dr Dean hamr at the National
Cancer Institute claimed in 1993 to have
discovered evidence concrete evidence
for gay
genes of course he's pointing out that
this homosexual orientation was
transmitt to males on the ex chromosome
from the mother and his findings was
published in the Journal of Sciences a
prestigious
journal and this publication transformed
his colorless uh career as a government
scientist into a dynamic media
personality he wrote his own Memoirs and
everything he was shown on television
talk shows he he even went uh to
Colorado though they were having a a a
decision about the law which was being
introduced it was called proposition two
which is anti-gay proposition he gave uh
expert testimony in the you know for the
the genetic origin of of homosexuality
you know to put down this
law now the
reality is that though his study was
published in the science and was on the
front page of newspapers all across the
country in the
west
nobody followed up what happened
after
actually when University of Western
Ontario tried to repeat his
experiments they could not find any
linkage whatsoever between the ex
chromosome and sexual orientation
was their own
research
furthermore it was pointed out that
Hammer's study lacked a control group
something which is a fundamental
principle for scientific research how
could that article have been published
in science because this is something
which sells
magazines you know so without following
their normal procedures they publish
this article he's given f well he's a
scientist CC research
whatever but the reality is that it
lacked basic elements of scientific
research among them it did not have a
control
group and the Chicago Tribune in 1994
this is one year
after publication of Dr hamer's
findings reported that a junior
researcher in Hammer's laboratory who
assist assisted in the gene mapping and
his homosexual
studies said that he selectively
reported his
data she was then dismissed though she
was a PhD student you know in her
postdoctoral fellowship at uh sorry she
was a doctor doing a postdoctoral
fellowship at hr's lab she was kicked
out because this was not not popular
this is not something which people
wanted to hear and even this report in
the Tribune this is no longer front page
news this is reported you know some
pages down the line so when the study
came out initially it was Front Page
News everybody knew about it and that's
what stayed in people's minds the
different challenges that came to it
people didn't hardly know about it so
till today you'll find people coming and
saying hey it's been proven genetically
because they remember that they didn't
remember that his as assistant said hey
he doctor this
data and so much so her claims were
substantiated by the National Institute
of Health when they investigated her
claims you know and she was given
another position in in a different lab
and HR who was himself very koi about
his own sexual orientation and his
Memoirs he later admitted that he
himself was gay he himself was a
homosexual you know promoting this so
his his his his uh scientific study was
shot down within a year but the vast
majority of people even till today six
years later don't even know about
it the other point that should be noted
is that when
the as a consequence of this practice uh
AIDS spread through the society and it
spread beginning with the homosexual
element and uh people wanted to say well
hey this is you know divine retribution
you know this was thrown aside no how
can it be no no no no no we cannot say
this this is something which happened we
don't blame it on you know God is
punishing people but from Islamic
perspective yes the prophet may God's
peace and bless be upon him had said
that when you know fornication adultery
and homosexuality become widespread in
the society that there will appear
amongst the
people
ailments sicknesses which were unheard
of before
which their four parents never knew of
and this is exactly the case of AIDS yes
it began with them of course it did
spread to bisexuals afterwards people
were involved in both heterosexual and
homosexual activity and then it also
spread now amongst the heterosexuals of
course because they're the majority so
it's going to spread amongst them spread
amongst who amongst them amongst those
who are involved in illicit sexual
relations those people are married stay
within marriage this doesn't spread even
people who practice polygamy who have
more than one wife it doesn't spread it
only spreads when a man or a woman has
sexual relations outside the bounds of
marriage
now another point which needs to be
addressed is that if one were to
consider homosexuality to be not a
result of choice that means God made
them that
way then it is incon conceivable that
God is going to prescribe a
punishment for an inclination which
people have no control
of so no matter what evidence is
brought and there may be some scientific
evidence brought in the future which
actually does establish some kind of
inclinations but we can find people
arguing that they inclinations for
pedophilia inclinations for rape
inclinations for murder you know you
find scientific research is saying hey
you know maybe it's related to genes and
this that and the other people have
these inclinations but we don't we can't
run a society on the spaces that people
are excused simply because they have
inclinations a person we are all we all
have a variety of inclinations all kinds
of circumstances can bring these things
out when people get intoxicated Etc
these inclinations come out even more so
however we still have the ability to say
yes or no and that's what the punishment
is for and it's Islamic law the
punishment for homosexuality is no
different from the punishment for
adultery fornication if it's it's be
death it's looked at as a deviation just
as if somebody's involved in beastiality
that sexual relations with animals
things like this it's death this is a
deviation adultery is death so it's not
it's not any special punishment it is a
punishment for deviant Behavior which
threatens
the family structure of the
society to protect that that that family
Islamic law is very severe but of course
it requires four Witnesses so again the
application of the law and this is
because a person a person may have these
inclinations so they tend some among
them may be effeminate one cannot say oh
he's a homosexual look at him he's
acting like a woman he's womanish and
you going to apply the law no only
unless a person confess
or they're witnessed by four Witnesses
in the ACT then we cannot apply the law
it's very severe but its application is
only going to be in certain circumstance
where a person is so open in their
practice four people have witnessed them
or they confess because they're caught
under some circumstance or the
other
now what we find in Islamic law some
principles to to discourage this
tendency
for the building of these kind of
inclinations we find that Prophet
Muhammad may God's peace and bless be
upon him and instructed that children be
taught prayer at the age of seven and he
went on to say that when they reach the
age of 10 they should be spanked if
they're not coming to pray learning to
pray furthermore they should be
separated in their beds most people
think that it's just separating the
males from the females but no from
Islamic perspective the males from the
males and the females from the females
they should not sleep in the same beds
under the same covers
Etc this is why for what
purpose to
prevent incest as well as homosexual
activity because children are children
they may have inclination they may
experiment and if they experiment and
they find something pleasurable and then
later on when they go to school they
find somebody else who's going to
reinforce that this is where we find the
basis for homosexual lesbian uh activity
and inclinations developing in people
right so uh from Islamic
perspective the from the the family
within the Family itself with regards to
the children these principles are
applied to prevent the kind of birth of
these kind of
feelings
furthermore Islam stresses the
distinction between male and female to
be strongly maintained males don't dress
like females females don't dress like
males this is forbidden Prophet wasallam
said that Allah curses those men who
dress like women and women who dress
like
men so again not allowing a blurring you
know fashion industry today which is
controlled mostly by homosexuals right
they have promoted the blurring of the
lines between males and females so you
find women now wearing three-piece suits
you know with bowler caps and you know
looking like men shoes cut and made just
like men's shoes slightly smaller
whatever men wearing flowery garments in
fact just recently you know they had
this new fashions which are coming up
for the summer fall fashions you know
men's dresses which are virtually female
style dresses R you know jackets and
pants and things with all kind of
flowers and and lines and things on it
which are typically uh female type dress
is now becoming promoted for male
dress so Islam stresses a distinction
between males and females that this be
reinforced in the society to prevent the
blurring of the lines and opening the
doors for these corrupt kind of
activities and this is over for the
purpose of protecting the family as a
whole maintaining the
family it is the building block of the
society when that family falls apart
whether it's through adultery
fornication or
homosexuality or uh you know pedophilia
or incest these kind of things all of
this is is a is a threat to the society
as a whole and so Islamic law takes a
very strong stance against it and it
prescribes very severe punishments for
those who are caught where there's clear
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