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about what would it be 500 years ago
there was a Jew in Europe Spinosa was
his name baruk
Spinosa a philosopher and he wrote a
great deal and he made the same point
that people were making 500 years before
him he was frustrated when the
Christians would come to him and say God
became man he would say what do you
mean God became man see and I know what
is God and I know what is man and I can
imagine that what was God turned into a
man it's not God anymore used to be God
now he's a man I can understand that
that at least makes some sense but
that's not what the church teaches they
say God became man but he was still God
and that causes a
problem you see if I have a ball of clay
and I squeeze it and I put corners on it
and I make it into a cube I can tell you
you see the ball became a cube but I
can't tell you don't be fooled it's
still
round see if it was one thing it became
another thing it's not that thing
anymore they solve that by putting a
label on it they call it Diop physitis
doesn't prove anything means two Natures
Diop physitis that's an old trick when
you don't know the answer put a label on
it in ancient Greece the Greeks 25
centuries ago came to their scientists
with a
question they'd observe that you eat
food it goes goes through the system and
some of it comes out they wanted to know
which part of what I take in is the part
that feeds me because evidently I don't
need all of it you see know which is the
nutritive faculty of the food and the
scientists didn't know so they said the
part that feeds you is the nutritive
faculty of the
food it's like saying the part that
feeds you is the part that feeds you
it's all it's a label doesn't answer
anything I say I could talk to you for
hours about
experiences about 1977 I decided to have
a look at the Quran I never met a Muslim
I lived 100 kilometers from the nearest
Muslim see what interested me was what
non-muslims said about
Muhammad there are books and books
written about Muhammad that tell you one
thing we know for sure about this man he
had an outside source of
information one book I've got says the
Quran was written by a committee
because they've established so well that
there's information in there that an
Arabian shouldn't have known he must
have had someone from the outside
bringing him this information they say
one thing we know for sure he had an
outside source of information now he
said this book was a revelation so they
say you see he was a liar he got it from
somewhere he put it in a book and he
gave it to someone telling them it was
from God he was a
liar other people write books and books
on the subject of Muhammad and they say
say one thing we know for sure he
thought he was a prophet he was
crazy because they look at his life very
carefully and they see episodes like for
example when he hid in the cave with Abu
Bakr he was running from the whole city
who wanted to kill him and he hid in the
cave and when the meccans came running
up to the cave to kill them what did he
say to his friend did he tell him see if
you can find a back way out of the
cave what he told his friend was relax
he was telling him you know I see what
you see but he said God is with us God
will save us so people on that basis
they say you see he thought he was a
prophet he thought God was with him
because he said things like that he
wasn't a
liar they never seem to realize that one
man can't be
both so you can't be a liar and a crazy
man at the same time if you think that
an angel gives the words of God in your
ear and somebody says I have a question
for you what does God tell you about
this thing I want to hear an answer
tomorrow if you're a crazy man if you
think an angel Whispers In Your Ear then
you don't sit up that night thinking
what will I tell him tomorrow what can I
find who knows the answer you're crazy
you think the angel will tell you the
answer you don't go and look it up
somewhere see you can't be a liar and a
crazy man at the same
time you can be one or the other or
neither you can't be
both you see I read two non Muslim
biographies of
Muhammad one was by rodinson who's an
atheist who hated the
man but many interesting things come up
about his life that I had to wonder
about one story that's told is that when
he was an older man he had a son named
ibraim Abraham the son died when the
child was 2 years old the same day the
boy died there was an eclipse of the sun
sky went dark and the Muslims came
running to their prophet and said look
it's a miracle your child died and the
sky went dark in
sadness it occurred to me see if he was
a crazy man he'd probably believe what
they said he'd probably think yes it's a
miracle my child died the sky is dark
yes it's a miracle if he was a crazy man
if he was a liar
he would have taken advantage of it he
would have said yes right my child died
the sky is dark you tell everyone it
proves I'm a prophet it's a miracle but
what did he
do he became angry with the Muslims he
told them that was nonsense he was angry
with them how dare you say that he said
the sun and the moon are signs of God
and they don't worry themselves about
the birth of a man or the death of a son
of
Muhammad doesn't look very crazy it
doesn't look much like a
liar
now you have a third alternative of
course which people tell you all the
time you say no he was not a liar he was
not a crazy man he was deceived by the
devil deceived by the
devil it's an interesting
idea but whatever you say you better be
ready to back it up there's a lot of
difficulties with that idea for example
there is a verse in the Quran which
tells the reader about a good habit to
develop it tells him before you read
this book always
say which means I take refuge in God
from Satan the rejected is this Satan
who wrote
this who said before you read my book
ask God to save you from me is that
Satan who wrote that as Jesus said if
Satan is divided against himself then
his kingdom will fall he's fighting
against his own interests
so let me finish with a point that a
story that illustrates a
point as I said there's many theories
and many explanations around many
explanations but an explanation
something somebody tells you is just so
much air coming out of his mouth unless
he has
proof and unless he offers you something
that you can use to falsify
it you see there's many theories of how
do the planets go around the Sun and how
do the Stars Burn and all the rest of it
many Theory most of them are just so
much wind scientists pay no attention to
them because they don't contain
something that could be checked to prove
it
false you see Einstein was considered an
intelligent man because when he offered
his theory in 1905 and again in 1915 he
didn't just offer a theory he said
here's three ways to prove I'm
wrong now it's worth listening to to
he's told me here's three different
things you can do if you can do this I'm
wrong here you
are is there anything like that in
Christianity has a Christian ever said
you want to prove I'm wrong all you have
to do is this has he ever done that the
Quran is filled with that kind of thing
filled with it saying you want to prove
this book is wrong do this prove it go
ahead do it filled with that kind of
thing there is an example of it that
made a big impression in its
day during the lifetime for centuries
ago of the prophet of
Islam you see he had an uncle named Abu
laab that was his nickname Abu lahab
this man hated Muhammad he hated
anything the man said he used to watch
him going through the city and if he saw
him talking to someone he waited till
they split up he'd go after the man he
spoke to and take him he say what did
Muhammad tell you whatever it is it's a
lie did he tell you day it's night did
he say black black it's
white exact opposite whatever he heard
the Muslims say he said the opposite
that was the way his mind
work there's a little chapter of the
Quran called laab and it says about this
man that he'll never change it condemns
him to hell
jenam you see if the man had ever become
a Muslim the Muslims would believe well
now he's not condemned anymore you see
for 10 years before Abu lahab died that
was a part of the Quran and the Muslims
could come to Abu laab and say do you
know it's been revealed to us in our
book that you will never be a Muslim God
says you will never be a
Muslim for 10 years they told him that
all he had to do was say well your book
is wrong I want to be a Muslim what do
you think of your book now that's all he
had to do he had 10 years to think about
it that's the way he was see if somebody
is your enemy you don't come to him and
say you want to prove I'm wrong here say
this come on say it if all you have to
do is say the words and I'm wrong you
finish
me he never did it see this is one of
many cases of something that was offered
that could have been
falsifiable so it was as I say in
1978
after how long would that be 15 years of
arguing with the church authorities one
place or another I got the idea I'm
going to argue with some other people
I'm going to read the Quran see how much
of it is any good pick out the true pick
out the
false thought it'll take a few years
it'll take some serious study and so on
I read through it about 3 days later I
finished it I said this is what I've
been saying for 15
years so I went to find some
Muslims I don't want somebody to feel
you've been tricked into
something I haven't said anything about
Christianity that isn't
true I haven't said anything about Islam
that isn't true unless it was a slip of
the tongue or something I'm simply
trying
to remind an individual Don't Close Your
Mind before it's too late don't make up
your mind before you have all the
facts most people who used to be
Christians and become Muslims will tell
you I am a better Christian than I used
to be now I follow Christ I didn't
before that's what I would tell
you Bible says Jesus told his disciples
when you greet one another let your
greting be peace be with you he set the
example peace be with you who says that
today
Christians once in a great while maybe
Muslims whether they speak Arabic or not
they say salam alaikum peace be with you
Jesus when he prayed in the Garden of
Gethsemane put his forehead on the
ground who prays like that Christians or
Muslims Jesus used to fast for more than
a month at a time who fasts
today Christians or
Muslims who really is trying to imitate
Jesus somebody said to me before coming
in here they said uh the Muslims make
Jesus out they insult him and so on and
so on how possibly do they insult him
they lift him
up
up they can't tolerate anything bad said
about him they would just as quickly
tell you that you know the the they say
Muhammad Ras Allah means Muhammad is the
messenger of God they will just as
quickly say Isa Jesus Isa Ras no
problem just as quickly tell you that
because it's true they occupy the same
place if God himself wants to make
distinctions among His prophets that's
his business not our treat them all with
same amount of respect may God guide us
always closer to the
truth Mr Gary Rayman M thank you
sir
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