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with my next guest who's worked over 18
years in as an Imam in the prison system
and Islam continues not only to be the
fastest growing way of life in the world
according to the Guinness Book of World
Records outside of Prisons but also in
the prisons and the institution the
people who work in the prisons they
actually love the Muslim presence in the
prison we're going to find out why my
next guest has also helped over 2,000
families at the verge of divorce stay in
the
family circuit without losing it he's
helped them stay together my next guest
here on the dean show Imam Khan don't go
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theam alikum peace be with you how are
you sh
alhamdulillah thank you for being on the
dean show I thank you for having me
please excuse me a little bit I got a
nice little cut over here was training
and I got a knee to the face on accident
so I got a little bit busted up here
alhamdulillah hopefully it was an
accident it was it was an accident yeah
so still managed to make it here I'm
excited to be to have you as our guest
here 18 plus years experience here as an
Imam in the prison system also you've
helped over 2,000 family stay together
yes alhamdulillah it's a blessing from
Allah subhana wa tala sometime whenever
Allah subhana T wants something good for
you He blesses you with an opportunity
to do some good and it's up to us you
know to take advantage of the
opportunity that Allah subhana T places
there so you know we have an opportunity
to save the family so that's what we
dedicated at our time and our life too
I'm Da L yeah we like to at the dean
show highlight because you have it's
very sad that the mainstream media they
don't get out there and highlight a lot
of the good that Muslims are
contributing to toward Society corre
making the world a better place so we
like to do that highlight some of the
good work that Muslims are doing and
you're doing some astonishing great work
I mentioned that is this true the
institutions why why do you believe that
Islam in the prison systems now it is
rapidly growing well number one you know
the majority of the people that are
coming to the institution you know
they're coming from a you know sad
circumstances or they ran into bad
situations in their life and now
whenever they they you know have all of
their activities cut out they have an
opportunity to sit and think and reflect
and ponder about you know what is right
and what is not and then whenever they
have an opportunity to see all of the
different uh Avenues as far as uh
Christianity and other uh religions
Islam seems to uh be the religion that
stands out to them you know and makes
more sense to them you know so you now
they can go towards any any religion all
basically in the prison system you're
behind four walls now all the things
that might be distracting you they're
not distracting you corre so now you can
really contemplate what's the purpose of
life why am I here now they hit the
books they start reading right exactly
and they come to Islam they come to
Islam you know sometime it's uh through
the one that comes in from outside of uh
the institution like myself when I
started working in the uh prison system
and then sometime it's other uh Muslims
that may have gotten theirself in
trouble and then uh they may share some
information with them and then they look
into it and uh so there's a number of
different reasons why they come but you
know Allah subhana T is the one that
makes Muslims so whatever Avenue is
there Allah T furnish the Avenue I just
happen to be one of the Avenues that uh
helped to bring in you know quite a few
Muslims into Islam mashallah is it true
now you were mentioning that the actual
the institution they actually they like
the Muslim presence there yeah they
don't necessarily uh 100% like Muslims
in general because there's a lot of
prejudices against Muslims with all of
the things that go on on television the
media and whatnot but the reality is 99
and9 t% of those people who work in the
institution if they're truthful they
will say that the most uh
respected um inmates are those who
accept Islam and try to live it inside
of the walls of the uh the prison why is
that because Muslims if they
have a desire to try to please Allah
subhana tala then that obligates them to
live a certain way with good etiquette
and manners and to treat everybody who
deserves being treated right to treat
them right you know and not just use
them uh or use a broad uh bristled brush
to paint everybody because maybe they
made a mistake or somebody uh abused
them or misused them at some point in
their life whether not it was a a
certain race or whether not it was
somebody from another religion
you know they realize that they have to
use uh good judgment and they have to
respect everyone who deserves being
respected so a Muslim should equal one
with the noblest best conduct Behavior
manners he's he's cleaned up his act now
he's being respectful even to the to the
guards to the inmates and I mean you
would like as opposed to is it the the
who runs the prison well the I mean the
the administration runs the prison on
paper but the reality is if you have one
uh officer with uh you know 60 or 100 uh
inmates the reality is if you look at it
you know the uh the inmates basically
run the prison as far as um you know
what's going to happen at that
particular point so you know you you
look at that situation and realize that
the majority of them are basically good
people they just made a lot of mistakes
you know so it's up to us whenever we
come in to try to articulate to them you
know the best uh way for them to try to
clean up their life so you'd want to be
if anything goes down you want to be
around the Muslims because the Muslims
are going to be fair balanced and just
and help save the day not exactly Bring
Havoc to the day exactly and that
happens on a regular basis whenever
there's you know any particular dorm or
area in the prison you know and in my
experience and uh it's dangerous you
know it's a dangerous environment of
course but whenever you have have a
group of Muslims in one area those
Muslims generally don't want a lot of uh
drama and fitner or crime to go on in
that particular area so whenever
something does happen the Muslims are
generally the ones who squash you know
or uh stop all of the problems that go
in so human being makes mistakes and now
this individual maybe was the worst
Highway robber car Jacker thief whatever
case he comes in now he learns about
Islam instead of going back out and
doing the same thing he becomes one who
submitted to the will of God he knows
the purpose of life now he reforms his
life he becomes an upright honest human
being this is what Society wants this is
what we wants absolutely absolutely I
have some that are in there for murder
you know I have some that not just
murder and just maybe shot or stabed
somebody but I have some that did some
things that I don't even want to you
know mention on television you know but
uh those right now are some of the best
and the most trustworthy individuals
that you would have them uh spend time
around yourself because you know that
they have a love and a fear of Allah
subhana wa tala now and God is the one
you know who changes the heart he's in
total control of the heart so it's not
up to us to decide whether or not this
person has changed it's what God does
you know and I've seen that and
witnessed it Clos hand you know in many
times in the different prisons
and that only when you have a sincere
love fear of God in your in your heart
and your mind and your life starts to
revolve around this belief in the
Creator and one of pleasing your creator
that brings Reformation I mean atheism
is not going to change your life you go
in there's an atheist day an atheist
most criminals go in there and they get
a degree now in criminality they become
better criminals they don't come get out
reformed but all du respect you know
even you know Islam the beauty about
Islam is I know some uh some some
atheists and I know some uh you know
some of those ones who just uh couldnot
stand even to talk about God that have
accepted Islam because they've been
around individuals you know and they've
seen them to change their life so they
become curious and start asking
questions about it and then the
different Muslims or myself at different
times you know I've had a general
conversation for instance one individual
you know um I went by lockdown and I
asked him you know did he need anything
and then he uh cursed me out so I stood
there for a few minutes and then I said
listen I said I don't want to create any
problem for you I said I just want to
respect you as a man I want you to
respect me too you know so the best
thing for you to do is just you know if
I greet you greet me back if you greet
me I'll greet you back so I walked down
the uh the walkway and then I came back
and he apologized right now he's one of
the best Muslims in that Institution
amazing amazing we we have a lot more to
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somebody's been trying to deliver
something to you like we've been trying
to deliver the truth that there's only
one God that you worship him alone not
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creation Dean welcome to the dean show
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tell us have you ever been in in the
middle of a riot in the prisons where
things have just gotten out of control
and you were right in the middle of it I
was in the middle of uh a situation
where it possibly could have got real
bad where two different groups as a
matter of fact both of them were Muslims
one had one idea of what should be done
the other had another idea of what
should be done and all of them came with
Shanks or homemade or prison made knives
and uh my uh intention was to not allow
that to happen and before I knew it I
jumped in the middle and I stopped both
of them you jumped in the middle jumped
in the middle of them before they got to
each other everybody was standing up you
know I mean kind of looking at each
other looking to uh to do some things
you know to to hurt each other and I
stopped and then I started talking loud
telling everyone to go to the side you
go over there take off those glasses go
sit down you know and I didn't realize
that you know how bad of a situation it
was until after it was over you know few
people got locked up you know and
everything was squashed and on my way
home you know I realized that you know
it wasn't necessarily the smartest thing
but alhamdulillah it helped because had
there been some Bloodshed at that
particular time then they would have cut
out all of the meetings for the Muslims
and the Muslims were the ones that
needed to really be able to move around
the institution in order to bring um uh
you know some type of uh uh peace you
you know and balance to the whole entire
uh uh uh community in the institution
all right so you have that scenario you
have two sides they're ready to come at
each other knives Shanks and the whole
get up yeah you're between it you help
com it down right have you ever ever
been between now two uh another scenario
here's one we got a husband and wife and
things are about to blow up here that's
that's a regular basis right yeah so
talk to us about this in in uh as a
matter of fact in many instances many
ways that's even worse than the uh in
the prison system because everybody has
a personal stake you know in the other
person you know what I mean and they
know each other and they have more than
likely just allowed uh anger and whatnot
to build for so long and maybe the
rights of the other person was not being
observed by the other person so it can
get very uh um it can get very very uh
uh uh strong in those particular
instances yes so you got you must have a
lot of experience I mean 2,000 plus
families you've helped I mean this is
over a span of how many years we opened
up in uh 1999 1999 so since then you can
say alhamdulillah I think Creator
heavens and earth that you were able to
save over 2,000 families from
alhamdulillah by Way by way of uh
personal counseling and conferences that
we had you know that uh we would design
the conferences strictly to uh
strengthen the Muslim family as a matter
of fact the name of the conferences that
we had and we had six conferences
strengthening Muslim family and um all
of those were strictly to address issues
that went on in the family you know
between husband and wife and and uh
parents and children you know and things
of that nature so you know with the help
of Allah subhana wa tala we designed
every talk and every uh Breakout out
session and seminar that was going to be
able to give each person that came
whether not they were young or old or
had been married for a long time or
short time or they were looking to get
married you know we would always give
them some kind of information that was
going to benefit them because the
ultimate goal is to bring them closer to
Allah subhana wa tala and there's no way
to get somebody closer to Allah subhana
wa tala than in the marriage bond in
getting closer to the almighty to the
creator of all that exists directing him
to that and would you say that I mean
this is obviously not your your
traditional behavioral marriage
counseling like the clinical the this is
different type yeah the difference
between clinical counseling and Islamic
counseling clinical counseling basically
deals with the mind you know how you
feel what you think what's your opinion
that's not that but Islamic counseling
is based on the level of Iman the faith
that you have because if you say that
you a Muslim and you have a love for
Allah and you say that you fear Allah
fear displeasing Allah and you have a
hope that Allah will facilitate your
life then whenever someone brings you
information is based on what Allah
subhana wa T said and what the prophet
sallallahu alaihi wasallam said and did
then uh you will always try to do the
right thing and change your behavior
regardless how strong your feelings are
toward that MH yeah and what what have
you been in your experiences what do you
see as one of the number one problems
why these marriages get to the virge of
divorce lack of understanding you know
lack of understanding about the Divine
institution of marriage it's one of the
biggest institutions of Allah subhana wa
tala marriage is IBA marriage is worship
the same way we line up for Salat and we
say this is ibba this is worship you
know the same thing whenever we get
married and we fulfill Our obligation
inside of the marriage as the husband as
the wife you know and the family member
you know we have obligations to Allah
uh more than to our mate so when people
really understand that you know and they
you know accept the fact that this is a
require uh a required action that Allah
subhana wa ta'ala wants for us to get
married and to live you know in peace
and and have the love and the
tranquility and the kindness you know
and the tolerance and the patience
inside of the marriage you know then
it's going to bring you closer to Allah
subhana T because we are fulfill
what Allah subhana T wants from us and
the majority of people don't know it
they think that they're getting married
you know just to that one person you
know it's my wife you know your husband
and it's between you to but it's bigger
than that yeah so when you bring Allah
subhana wa tala into the freay then you
find out that you know you're able to
fulfill your obligation and you're able
to have that peace that Allah wants for
you in the marriage you know and a lot
of times it starts prior to getting
married you know you know how do you you
know prepare yourself to find the right
person how do you find the right mate
what do you look for you know what is
the things that you know is going to
help you in the rest of your life
because life is short so you want to
make a good decision so that whenever
you do get married you alhamdulillah
you're going to be able to uh fulfill
your obligation to Allah subhana wa tala
you know and live in harmony with the
person that you use Allah's name to make
lawful to you and you have an very
interesting story to share with us how
someone can start off the right way
giving us an example so you don't become
a chalk line yeah I'm so we're going to
tell them the chalk line story when we
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show that's why I'm here sh mashallah so
helping to prevent a war in the prisons
and you were able to do that and I'm
sure not on one occasion I'm sure on
many you you did some wonderful work
there and they loved you there aldah
alhamdulillah and also now 2,000 plus
families and and you mentioned something
before we went to break doing things the
right way doing things by the blueprint
that was sent from the creator of
creation God Almighty the Creator Allah
and even before so and it's just one
example that we can use for many because
sometimes the you know we forget that
God loves us the most Allah loves us he
he's he's the one that we should trust
in the most and whatever he tolds us to
do is for our benefit rightly now give
give this uh we mentioned this chalk
story of when because someone there's a
way also for a woman to be protected
that she's got her her bodyguard right
you know someone her family member who's
helped weeding out the rats or her W or
the W either one yeah the W is somebody
in the family W is is someone that does
the same job but they're not of the
family now the woman's like man look
we're living in in a new age I don't
need nobody I'm doing my own thing and
what happened give an example of what
happened when the woman did her own
thing one time what what happens is you
know nowadays with the Skype and the
FaceTime and all of those different
things that you know people are able to
bypass the protection that Allah subhana
wa tala you know has given for them you
know in order to help uh uh facilitate
you know finding a new mate and uh there
was one particular story that we had
down in Georgia where a uh uh a guy
married a sister they had uh a couple of
children and then the young man went
missing and uh after he went missing the
sister frantically was looking for him
and she got a knock at the door after a
couple of weeks weeks and uh it was the
police you know and um they said we're
looking for George and she said I don't
know any George and they showed a
picture and it was her husband she said
that's not George that's my husband so
and so and they said no this is George
you know we've been looking for him for
so many years you know maybe four four
or five years and we just found out
where he was at and uh we've been
wanting him for the murder of his first
wife
so they showed a picture of his first
wife in a chalk line saying in the chalk
line we know when there's a dead body
and there's a chalk line around them
show you know so this young lady had no
Wally she had no one to check you know
to doe the due diligence to find out
about who is this person for sure that
I'm marrying you know did she give
herself an opportunity to uh uh to find
somebody or that's going to be good to
her maybe he would have done the same
thing to her if she would have made him
uh just that mad maybe uh something
would have been worse maybe he would
have killed her and maybe killed you
know her children as well so the process
that Allah subhana allowed the prophet
sallallahu alaihi wasallam to put into
place is the Wally system and the
majority of the women nowadays you know
they get on all of these sites you know
and they go on the sites they're talking
to the brothers without having uh a
guardian there and the prophet
sallallahu alaihi wasallam said if
there's no Guardian no W and there's no
two witnesses then the marriage is n and
void the marriage is n and void the
marriage is n and void he said it three
times
AA had uh reported that Hadith so when
the women are looking to get married and
it's not just the women because sometime
brothers are good brothers and they end
up finding a sister that they should
have checked on herself you know and we
want to be married so bad that we bypass
the system the good system that Allah
subhana T allowed to be put in place by
the prophet sallallah alaihi so many
times we come and you know sisters say
well I don't have a w you know and I
don't need one and I know what I want
and then maybe two weeks later a month
later you know then we have to go in and
try to save the sister from a bad
situation or we just had another
instance that we had to save a brother
from a bad situation because he didn't
do what he should have did and go
through the process being patient you
know with the uh with the process and
how Allah subhana allowed it to be set
up now you want go get a car you want to
rent an
apartment and the people are smart
enough not to just give their car to
anybody or their house correct or
anything else of value they do What's
called the credit check yeah so the
person has a great speech but at the end
you're like man this guy's great but
then the report comes back
and yeah he's been doing this to
everybody he goes in stays in the house
for a period of time or he drives the
car and then hides the car for about six
seven eight months not paying for it and
it's it's even worse when you have
somebody and I tell the sisters whenever
they get ready to get married just call
let us do our job you know so that we
can you know investigate you know do our
own personal Islamic detective work to
make sure that you're not putting
yourself in a bad situation so we'll
call the we we'll make sure that you
know that that she has a we if she
doesn't she's not supposed to assign a w
to herself she's supposed to go to the
Imam the prophet sallallahu alaihi
wasallam said that the IM is the W for
the one who doesn't have one you know so
he will either assign the Imam will
assign someone or he he will do it you
know so that you know if things are not
done right in the beginning it's going
to be very difficult for things to end
up wrong you know just like um you know
the first right of a child and I asked
some of the people who come into the
counseling said what is the first right
of the child and very seldom anyone has
the uh answer and the first right of the
child is that the father finds them a
good mother that's right you know so
he's got to do his due diligence so it's
not just trying to find out if the guy
is okay but the guy the brother has to
find out whether or not the sister uh is
worthy of carrying the seed and then
raising those children and being a good
model and being the nurturer that Allah
subhana T created her to be that's
amazing you know one of the
misconceptions out of the many but when
people look into the is really they talk
to the Muslim women they investigate
Islam they talk to the Muslims they see
that all of these false accusations are
actually just a bunch of hogwash and one
of them is that Islam oppresses women
but when you talk to the Muslim women
you see that the majority of people
coming into Islam are women and they get
to see I mean all of these benefits in
Islam and Islam actually is a protection
yes safeguarding her from any of the
pitfall and evils of yeah and it's very
difficult you know when somebody's
desires and drives and motivations is
they want to be married they want to be
married like right now you know and they
don't want to wait you know they make a
Dua they pray it's the Cara you know and
they said they wake up in the morning
and see someone and they say Allah sent
them but they still didn't do the you
know the due diligence to find out if
this person is the type of person that's
going to be beneficial and sometime uh
they may have children or daughters you
know or Sons for that matter and marry
somebody who's got a record of
pedophilia or something like that and
they didn't do what they were supposed
to do and they didn't let anybody else
do it and next thing you know they're in
a situation where children are being
molested they're being abused afraid to
even go to their own house the guy moves
in takes everything to have it and
disappear next thing you know he's on
the other side of the country doing the
same thing to someone else and with
internet people are allowed to do that
so we tell all of the sisters be patient
fear Allah subhana wa tala regarding you
know what he uh uh want for you you and
so that you can have a good outcome and
a good ending that's right yeah tell us
right now people are at the verge of
divorce yes and they need some
assistance some help how can they get a
hold of you well we have uh a center for
Islamic counseling and guidance in
Atlanta Georgia and we also have one uh
in Houston Texas actually two in Houston
Texas and if you go to the uh to our
website Islamic counseling.org there's a
hotline number there and someone will
always answer that phone or they will
call you back you know in a short uh in
a short time and we'll be able to set up
any type of counseling that you need
either via Skype or you come into the
office and we could help you with uh
Islamic uh counseling based on uh
marriage at risk premarital counseling
you have teenagers that need help and
assistance we can do that kind of work
and it's based on what pleases Allah
subhana wa tala Quran and the Sunnah so
you actually have a number yeah can call
on the on the internet and it's um 281
917
9026 is the hotline number and someone
will always call you back on that line
and get you started into having the type
of counseling or consultation that you
need in order to help you uh put more
structure in your life regarding your
marriage and your family operat standing
by I think the phone Line's going off
right
now already may Allah subhana waala you
know guide all of them to hear the you
know and take that uh information and be
better individuals as it pleases Allah
God Almighty the Creator Allah reward
you for all your wonderful work thank
you for thank you very much inah for
inviting me inah thank you another
wonderful guest here on the dean show
sharing his experiences highlighting
some of the wonderful work that those
who adhere to this way of life are doing
out there in the world trying sincerely
to make the world the community a better
place and one part of the story that we
were talking about in the beginning his
experiences was were people who finally
now they got away from the rat race of
Life they were locked down in an
environment now that they had to be
forced and think they thought what is
the purpose of life why am I here and
they start to investigate all the
different religions why don't you do the
same well you're not forced to be locked
up chained down and then you start to
look and think or you don't even get
that opportunity death comes to you and
now you didn't even get a chance to
really reflecting thing and now you got
two things staring in front of you on a
day of judgment Paradise Hellfire you
didn't prepare for nothing of the next
life so what can you expect out of the
next life wonderful rewards of it no
because you you went and enjoyed all of
the blessings that the creator has given
you you denied all the signs one is
coming to you right now so really Ponder
and think why am I here what's the
meaning of all of this did God just
create this in just in play and then I
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